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post Sep 30 2010, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(SteadyPana @ Sep 30 2010, 02:18 PM)
which heavily impacted the fun of watching Asto HD Content  mad.gif  mad.gif  mad.gif
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can't byond resolution/refresh rate be changed? just change it to some other resolution the problem will go away no?
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post Oct 1 2010, 08:20 AM

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QUOTE(xxx_8088 @ Oct 1 2010, 02:37 AM)
Some help from some sifus perhaps? to help our fren here to choose , even if it's in the wrong section..  tongue.gif
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i'm no sifu. but comparing to his post, i reckon he's comparing between the pana 50" x20 series plasma (RM3.4k), a 46" discontinued sharp LCD and a 47" toshiba flagship LCD.

well i would take the toshiba full HD LCD because it's a flagship model than a 1024x768 resolution plasma or a discontinued sharp model. the toshiba design is quite nice.
even if comparing the pana u20 series plasma (full hd), i'd still take the toshiba lcd because the panasonic design is soo vanilla. but maybe that's just me.
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post Oct 3 2010, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(azxel @ Oct 2 2010, 11:46 PM)
I have a PC monitor but using this Mac as a HTPC ... I guess I might need to change to LCD or LED then sad.gif
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i'm also using my plasma screen plugged into my htpc.

just make sure not to stick to a single, non-moving static screen for too long. even the icons are a concern (or the taskbar) as they don't change position. i don't browse the internet on my tv, i don't type letters on my tv, i don't do spreadsheet on my tv. i try to keep static image as short as possible, longest toleratable is 10 minutes.

and since then never had a problem with burn-in. image retention is less than 2 minutes and never noticeable. and i don't do plasma run-in for 200 hours (i rather watch 100 movies for it). and i set the display to whatever setting that i find optimal (no low brighness/low contrast for me).
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post Oct 3 2010, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Oct 3 2010, 02:27 PM)
My own methods are I actually run the break in slides for the 1st 20-30hrs direct. My experience with most plasmas is that the drive voltages are pretty high during the 1st 50hrs and as such, since the phosphors are still in the infancy, it helps to age evenly during that time. After the 1st 30hrs, I just vary my content. Since I like to calibrate my own displays after abt 100hrs, I use the break in slides on and off during the nights, the expedite the process. I then calibrate the display at 100hrs so that I can start using it for critical viewing. I redo the calibration after 250hrs (it differs quite a bit from the 100hr point) and again at 800hrs or so. After that, the display is pretty stable.

Does it guarantee anything? No, it just works for me. The one thing u must understand is that the 1st 200-300hrs of the plasma lifetime due to the differences in the Red, Green and Blue phosphor half life, each manufacturer does have a high drive voltage the different phosphors, so u just need to vary ur content during that time frame more so than after. However, it depends on the display. On the 8G Kuros, there is barely any image retention after 50hrs. And almost none after 300hrs or so. The 9G Kuros are pretty much similar. The Pannys are different, there is noticeable IR even at 1000hrs but it settles after that a bit. The Sammys and the LGs hv IR till longer, but its still IR. It does not amount to burn in unless u abuse ur display.

Just understand ur display.
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so varying the content works just fine. for someone that don't have any plans to professionally calibrate the display, would it make sense to still accelerate the run-in process and mature the phospors as fast (and as evenly) as possible?
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post Oct 4 2010, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(xxx_8088 @ Oct 4 2010, 03:49 PM)
IMHO , i think it's quite true that plasma power consumption's a lot more than L.E.D.. U can feel the heat emitting from it juz by standing right next to it, sweat.gif where as LED , less heat emitted. If u really like the 50V so much , buy ur wife a power saver adaptor ,hehe.. Saves up to 40% i heard after installing it.

My 2cts.. icon_rolleyes.gif
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the heat is not a lot more than a large LCD. maybe 20-30% more compared similar LCD size. for the power consumption, well you're paying for the picture quality. if you don't mind spending a portion of your electricity bill for air-conditioning, the extra you're paying for plasma (compared to similar size LED) is well worth it.

kindda hard to convince the home minister to go for plasma just by demo-ing in the showroom as LED have a clear advantage in bright showroom conditions.
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post Oct 6 2010, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(neb @ Oct 6 2010, 03:50 PM)
due to panasonic plasma having problem rendering 50Hz signal, why people don't simply return their HDTV and ask for their money back
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because the set is crazy good? biggrin.gif

QUOTE(anfieldude @ Oct 6 2010, 02:43 PM)
No THX for asian sets but the pro modes are pretty good. Colour accuracy is the good compared to all previous gens. Only problem is 50Hz material handling. 24p is not a problem.
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any chance that the upcoming future models are even better? after all they did acquire the pioneer kuro technology. the 2010 models is the 1st iteration of the kuro tech with panasonic plasma. even that is coming close to 8G's kuro (with some shortcoming).
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post Oct 13 2010, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Oct 13 2010, 09:34 AM)
Hows the price of Rm4,600 for the VIERA TH-P50U20K sound?
Standard 2 year warranty
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sounds expensive. RM1k expensive
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post Oct 16 2010, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(koinibler @ Oct 16 2010, 06:43 PM)
i think you're over worried  laugh.gif
just compare several shop in KK, then get it from the best priced that you can get.
there's no such thing 1K different lol ...
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really?
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TH-P50U20K Plasma FULL HD RM 3799.00 FOC Panasonic HDMI cable. While stock lasts.

and that's not the lowest i've seen.

but hey, maybe shipping and tax to bring over stuffs to KK is high.
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post Oct 18 2010, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(vassalle @ Oct 18 2010, 11:29 AM)
Hi, im planning to get a Pana plasma TV but don't think I can justify buying the neo-PDP v-series. What would be the next best thing? Realise that the Series name in Malaysia is somewhat different compared to US/EU & it's hard to get good reviews online.

This would be my main TV & will be hooked up to my HTPC via HDMI. Thanks.
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imho that would either be the pana u20k or the samsung c6500
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post Oct 18 2010, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(vassalle @ Oct 18 2010, 03:55 PM)
Thanks for the clarification. Since U series is the next best thing after V series.. I assume that there's no equivalent of the G-Series here in Malaysia? That's quite unfortunate & makes it tougher for me to decide on which TV to get.  rclxub.gif
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V20 at RM5.5k-ish
C6500 at RM4.5k-ish
U20K at RM3.5k-ish

do take a good look at both 3 before making up your mind. if you could justify adding RM1k to climb up the ladder (i rate C6500 lower than V20, yet higher than U20K), then by all means dive in.
but do take note the quirk with all 3 models.
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post Oct 18 2010, 06:58 PM

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QUOTE(vassalle @ Oct 18 2010, 05:22 PM)
Ok noted. Many thanks for the price range.

With regards to the quirks - anything else I should look out / worry about?
V20 - floating blacks, rising blacks, price
C6500 - buzzing sound, poor SD quality?
U20k - glare? (kinda hard to find for this one as I don't know what's the equivalent in US/EU)

Many thanks in advance.
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V20 - juddering with 50Hz content (b.yond), floating black, rising black. but still best black quality.
C6500 - buzzing with some set, some noticed juddering with 24p playback. no floating/rising black.
U20K - floating black, rising black, more glare compared 2 above. but no juddering with 50Hz content.

you do know that plasma generally have image retention issues, especially when paired with a static object such as desktop icons now do you?
but if you practice some logic and common sense, you should be safe. i for one am pairing the plasma to a htpc and don't find it as an issue.
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post Oct 18 2010, 09:04 PM

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QUOTE(td2000.2010 @ Oct 18 2010, 07:36 PM)
Where can you get the U20K for 3.5K ? can get in Penang ? icon_question.gif
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3.5k-ish
not like it's exact RM3500.00, just a ballpark figure.
i got quoted RM3650 when i was looking for 50 inchers a while back.
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post Oct 22 2010, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Oct 22 2010, 09:06 PM)
I have not seen a Sammy PNC7000 plasma in action. I am made to believe that the black levels are about 0.008ft/L. That is impressive, however to get 96Hz playback from 24p sources, u need to enable cinema smooth option that brings black levels to about 0.02ft/L. With this, I think the Panny still has pretty good black levels. My only other gripe is the handling of 50Hz material and that effects us a bit.
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whichever is true?
0.008ft/L or as per the article in cnet (which everyone is referring to) at 0.017 ft/L?

from the cnet article:
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In order of "blackest" initial black, the other 2010 plasmas in our Labs at press time included the Samsung PN50C7000 (0.017 MLL), Samsung PN50C8000 (0.019), and LG PX950 (0.030).

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QUOTE(Jenn77 @ Nov 15 2010, 02:45 PM)
Ur sure with ur statement no.2? Thats what I thought when I was aiming the 50s10k.. look what happened.. it got obsolete. I would say 2 yrs down the road maybe plasma no more in production.. something more 'canggih' might come up..
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then of course can wait another 2 years maaa..
already wait 2 years for that something more canggih to come up, then of course can wait another year or two for that something more canggih price to come down.
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QUOTE(AEGO2 @ Nov 18 2010, 01:32 PM)
Hi! Anybody know which shop still carrying TH-P42S10K (FHD)? I found all shops only sell TH-P42V20K now which is over my budget for FHD Plasma. Thanks!
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i believe the s10k is already long outdated. maybe you should try looking at U20K series plasma for cheaper alternative compared to v20k.
because personally after vieweing the p42s10k at a friends place and p50u20k at the showroom, i kindda think that the u20k generally looks better.

just an opinion tho.
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post Nov 23 2010, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Nov 23 2010, 09:59 PM)
You mean floating black worst on V? The main reason to get the V is probably because of the supposedly superior non-reflective screen (or is it just as reflective as the U?)
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you have to know that there's no perfect display. well maybe the kuro is, but the pricing ain't perfect either.

rather than asking a whole lot of question and wait for people to reply one by one, you SHOULD do some of the work yourself. like taking a trip to the showroom and viewing the models that you shortlisted side by side. like bringing a test BD with you and bugging the salesman to set it all up for comparison. like having a shi*load of cash lots of cash in your pocket and flashing them to the salesman to get proper attention (to set it all up).
and like reading the thread from the start. or maybe from the last half if 100+ page is too much.

and as for the question, i viewed them side by side while playing coraline bd. with bright showroom light behind. the V is less reflective than U. tho both have reflection, V anti-reflection coating are supposed to distort the reflection so that it won't hit you directly in the face.
worth the premium? i'll let you decide. that is if you could pull yourself out of the chair and drive to nearest showroom.
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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Nov 24 2010, 07:14 AM)
I did exactly that with the U and X and deleted off the X immediately. But short of taking a Air Asia plane, there is no V and U set for comparison in my place, hence the asking. Either asking here or buy the V sight unseen.
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sorry didn't know where you are. where exactly are you?
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post Dec 14 2010, 07:37 PM

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QUOTE(terranova @ Dec 14 2010, 03:48 PM)
@ neb - agreed. here we go again. another logit85 in the making ....
Does this ring a bell?
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maybe he couldn't remember the reply. or didn't even read it as it's not from a sifu biggrin.gif
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post Dec 15 2010, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Dec 14 2010, 08:35 PM)
even with absolutely no anti reflection coating, any normal light source from window or white wall typically found in home is not sufficiently strong enough to cause glaring off a tv glass screen. More of a distraction.  on the other hand a LED might be called glaring to some due to stronger light emitted. So my question of how come a 50U can possibly be more glaring than a 50V. You obviously do not understand my question to make such unfriendly remark.
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so i take it's not glare that i'm seeing right now with the sun shining through the sliding door? it's more of a distraction?

so yeah the anti reflection coating reduces the glare distraction from the bright light sun shining through the sliding door behing my couch causing reflection glare distraction on the tv screen. but it's still a distraction nonetheless. if i don't want any distraction from the glare reflection i would've gone with a matte LCD screen.

the typo is intentional
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QUOTE(spongesponge @ Dec 16 2010, 03:46 PM)
first of all, thanks for the reply.

i understand that PQ is a very personal preference especially with budget constrain. and i also appreciate your comparision between plasma and LCD. but those comparison is too general considering there are a huge gap of all the spec between different plasma hdtv (ie 50V and 50U). so, my concern is more specifically on model 50U to other LCD (ie samsung or whatever). i'm looking for a tv with budget around rm4k so 50V is a bit out of my range (unless i press the panic button which i would like to avoid). i've also consider the 42V but the size does look a bit small of my liking. so, i'm looking at 50U or similar size of LCD. but would like to gather more comparison from all the sifus here.

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was on the same boat as you. been considering the 50U or the 50V after reading good reviews about them both. but my wife will surely kill me if i buy an RM6k tv (the cheapest 50V i found in penang for RM5999).
but i find it imperative to have the anti-reflection coating in a plasma screen for daytime viewing. IMO the AR coating is well worth the premium.

searched from other makes and got offered the 50" Samsung C6500 for RM4.5k. had a side by side shootout against the 50U and 50V. in the end went with the samsung for RM1.5k less. a worthy choice IMO if you're looking for something under RM5k. better performer compared to the 50U.
try to look at the C6500 before you bring home the 50U. a seriusly underrated model.

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Dec 16 2010, 04:15 PM)
Personally, brightness is the not my concern but the reflection are. Pretty bad IMO but then some people likes reflection because I notice Sharp LCD/LED deliberately add a layer of glass to give reflection  hmm.gif
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it's not that people like to see their reflection, but the glass layer (usually mentioned as full GLARE panel) improves the contrast ratio. makes it perform closer to millions to one ratio of a plasma.

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