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post Jan 26 2011, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Jan 26 2011, 09:01 PM)
At current price, that translates to a yield of only 6.1%. But to those who bought below 90 cents, then the yield is ok at 7%.

Oh, I am looking ever forward to this year's dividend from AXREIT, where it will show its full potential. Looking at a minimum of 16.8 cents dividend from AXREIT smile.gif
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and this is gross yield, net yield is 5.4% after deducting witholding tax.

For Axreit, extra 0.2 cents from the gain of properties disposal can be expected. thumbup.gif

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post Jan 26 2011, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Jan 26 2011, 10:32 PM)
Cherroy,

The 6.1% yield I calculated was actually the net yield mate. If 6.1% is the gross, then surely many people will be crying all the way to the bank already laugh.gif

Too bad the gain on disposal is so tiny. Nevermind, I can take this 0.2 cents to eat pizza with my mom tongue.gif
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Oppss, sorry, my mistake.
I don't own Sunreit, apology for my mistake.

Unless you want to see Axreit only hold 1 or 2 properties by then, the gain of disposal can be great, which I don't think anyone wish to see.
It is quite diversified, one or two properties issue won't affect the overall performance too much.

But still very glad about it especially how minority shareholders being treated.
Gain, then being shared across, this is the basic or purpose why invested a listed company.


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post Jan 27 2011, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(sopol @ Jan 27 2011, 03:52 PM)
collecting alagar rm1.08..worth it or not? i hereby declare that i am a shareholder of alaqar from today.. cool2.gif
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For current pricing, I prefer Stareit, 7.2% net yield, and discount on NAV, and little gearing.
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post Jan 27 2011, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(sopol @ Jan 27 2011, 04:51 PM)
stareit's yield may be attractive and better. just don't like hotel business..high overhead but slim operating profit. no offence sifu cherroy..if stareit fall below 0.85 i will grab also. hahaha
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Stareit will become 0.85 on 2/2. tongue.gif





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post Jan 27 2011, 11:27 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Jan 27 2011, 10:31 PM)
Don't worry, ARREIT will be coming on Monday for the LAST MINUTE ang pow for you tongue.gif

The only worry is ALAQAR as it is usually late in declaring its dividends and report.
Well, I think most investors have already expected 2.2 cents from ATRIUM, that is why we don't see a jump. Next quarter fight for 2.4 cents! biggrin.gif
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Atrium only own 4 warehouses, and rental is fixed until lease expired. So do not expect and significant jump in DPU without new development.

Reit earning is highly expected, except some minor extra could be some saving in expenses incurred, less borrowing cost if refinance at cheaper rate etc.

To hope for surprise without new properties injection, it is very unlikely.

2.2 cents consistent Q over Q is good enough, 8% yield already.


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post Jan 28 2011, 04:54 PM

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One of major consideration that I prefer Stareit, is its borrowing.
180 mil is one of lowest gearing ratio among all the reit.

So if they still have a lot of room for gearing that can improve the EPS/DPU, if they wish to.

While low gearing has lower risk if economy turn bad time.
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post Jan 29 2011, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(kuekwee @ Jan 28 2011, 11:52 PM)
low gear also mean under utilise...
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Low Gearing means low borrowing or low leverage to achieve current profit level.

Nothing to do with under utilise or not.
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post Jan 29 2011, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(kuekwee @ Jan 29 2011, 01:46 AM)
lower gearing. if u can leverage 10x but instead u do 5x. don't u think it under utilise? as long as it's not over leverage i think is safe biggrin.gif...
btw what the average gearing in malaysia REIT?
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This is called low gearing loh.
Very seldom "under use of borrowing ability" being called "under utilised".

Under utilise mean you have 10 properties to rent but only rent out 5 <--- this is generally mean by under utilised.

Leverage is not something must be good.
It can kill if situation not favour time.




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post Jan 31 2011, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Jan 31 2011, 04:30 PM)
after it paid dividen the price will fall?
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Price is deducted out for the amount of dividend given.
But if in the future, ability to pay the same dividend, highly, it will normalise back.

Eg.

A Reit, pay 8 cents annually, at 1.00, it is 8% yield.
After ex-div, it become 0.92. If A reit is going to pay 8 cents in next year,
at 0.92 is more attractive, as 8/0.92 = 8.7% yield.

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post Feb 2 2011, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(CP88 @ Feb 2 2011, 04:58 PM)
Not only 0.85 but even higher at 0.865   shakehead.gif
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Because at 0.85 it is an attractive to buy.

6.89/0.85 = 8.1% gross yield.

The more the price being "ex" down, the more attractive it is.

Edited, typo error

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post Feb 2 2011, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Feb 2 2011, 10:27 PM)
Reit paid dividen is after tax or the dividend need to minus the tax?
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Reit is not being taxed if they distributed >90% of their income.

But reit holder will be taxed 10% witholding tax.
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post Feb 10 2011, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(whizzer @ Feb 10 2011, 08:32 PM)
Is it worth it to have auto-reinvest ? By the way, today REITs also took a beating. Chance to topup wink.gif

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Axis REIT: Proposes income reinvestment plan. Axis Real Estate Investment
Trust (Axis REIT) has proposed a plan that enables unit holders to reinvest their
cash distribution received into new units. Also, the property manager to issue up to
75.18m new units, representing up to 20% of the existing approved fund size.
(Source: Bursa Malaysia)
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Frankly speaking, even I hold and like Axreit, I don't like this news, the reinvestment.

Unless there is tax incentive aka free from witholding tax or new share being valued at much discount (which I don't think KLSE will allow more than 10% discount), I don't see any advantage.

I prefer cash as always, and can decide what to do with it.

It may encourage selling pressure only, also dilution of new share being issued.

I understand of the reinvestment can generate cash, reduce borrowing, and enable company to have cash for further acquisition, which reit unable to do so due to 90% payout, but I don't like it.
Cash is always the king and ultimate weapon in stock market to make money.
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post Feb 11 2011, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Feb 11 2011, 08:36 PM)
arreit NAV is shrinking

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NAV will shrink after distribution, very norm

Its NAV is always at around 9x cents level.

When the company reported profit, NAV goes up, then goes down again after distribution.
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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Feb 13 2011, 04:17 PM)
Oh.. It is named KAssets.. Now i can find smile.gif
Hmm, if categorized it as REITs, this would be the most expensive REIT then.. Coming to Rm4 sad.gif
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Errr... you don't judge a stock or reit or anything just because of its "face price".

You issued more unit/shares, then obviously the share price will be higher and vice versa.

RM1.00 can be way expensive than RM4.00.

Also reit and holding company or property company is different structure and different regulation to start with.
It is different asset class.
There are much more limitation on reit vs ordinary company.

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post Feb 14 2011, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Feb 13 2011, 09:42 PM)
Anyone has Arreit paper after this announced divvi, please share. thanks!  Maybank usually wrote it.  biggrin.gif
I'm kind of disappointed on its divvi declared. I am expecting close to 2 sen.  shakehead.gif
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2 cents?

You cannot expect reit to improve its earning like ordinary company.
Rental is fixed, unless there is new acquisition and higher leveraged.

Until the rental revision, income is pretty fixed across.
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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Feb 14 2011, 12:13 AM)
Which is good if you are treating it as FD. smile.gif
Actually most REIT are giving returns higher than FDs already.. Most perform more than x2 of FDs..

And of course it comes with some capital appreciation (depreciation) as well smile.gif
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This is what I keep on stressing upon.

Reit is more like an alternative to FD instead of equities.
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QUOTE(WagnerK @ Feb 15 2011, 01:51 PM)
A factor that is easily overlooked in the reduction of EPU and DPU of ARREIT in Q3 and Q4 is the upward revision of manager fees and trustee fees in mid-June 2010.. This may not seem significant, but manager fees and trustee fees have collectively increased by about RM405k in Q3 and Q4 respectively when compared to Q2 before the revision was done.. This shaves off about 0.7 cents per unit from ARREIT’s EPU..

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Manager fee is based on total asset x %.

So when there is new properties being injected, fee is going up.


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QUOTE(rosdi1 @ Feb 15 2011, 08:26 PM)
For short term ALAQAR look very good .
TP: 1.28
Time frame 20 trading days
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For such a time frame, I would advise go to some other thing else.

Not worthwhile for the effort and risk taken for a 20 trading days period.


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post Feb 16 2011, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(WagnerK @ Feb 15 2011, 10:10 PM)
I do agree with you on the above, Cherroy.. However, I was approximating the increase in fees solely due to the upward revision of rates and thus trying to isolate the increase in fees due to the enlargement of Net Asset Value (NAV)..

To make my calculations easier, I used the RM405k increase in Q3 and Q4 manager & trustee fees when compared to Q2 2010.. I have done some calculations to clarify things below..
Before the revision, ARREIT’s manager fees was 0.30% p.a while the trustee fees was 0.04% p.a. of the NAV.. With the listing of units worth RM 119 million for the acquisitions of Selayang Mall and Dana 13, the NAV has expanded to about RM560 million in May 2010.. Using the old fee structure with NAV at RM560 million, a typical quarter’s combined manager fees and trustee fees would be about RM476k..

The revision of manager fees to 0.60% p.a. and trustee fees to 0.05% p.a of NAV was done in mid-June 2010..  With this new fee structure and keeping the NAV constant at RM560 million, a typical quarter’s combined manager fees and trustee fees would now be about RM910k..

Even though I kept the NAV constant, you could see that the manager fees and trustee fees has increased by about RM430k without any new acquisitions.. In my earlier post, I approximated it to be RM405k without any tedious calculations..
The latest NAV differs from my assumed RM560 million – it was slightly lower at RM558.50 million for the quarter ended 31 Dec.. And, the NAV is subject to fluctuations throughout the quarter and from one quarter to another.. However, this fluctuations may be minor since REITs maintain a high payout ratio, unless there has been issuance of new units or revaluation of properties.. In the case of ARREIT, I am of the opinion that constant NAV was a fair assumption in my calculations above..
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Thanks for the update and analysis.

NAV should be rather constant throughout if there is no properties revaluation.

Btw, I haven't look into Arreit report yet.


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QUOTE(groggy @ Feb 15 2011, 10:53 PM)
Hi Wagnerk,

Thanks for yr analysis. It was very helpful to me.

One more thing, can revaluation surplus from properties be distributed out as dividends???
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Revaluation doesn't affect anything nor any single cent of cash being earned, until one day the properties being sold off.

A simple illustration.
It is just like you bought a property 100K 10 years before, now market valuation is Rm1 mil, but do you have 1 million in hand now?

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QUOTE(ripalo @ Feb 16 2011, 08:49 PM)
Hi Cherroy,

I'm just 20 years old (becoming 21 in few months time) and was wondering where to put my money. So i did a little research and found AS1M (which was sold out). Later I went thru FD but still felt the % was too low. So I read up about REIT and I think I found the perfect solution. With about 6% gains, low risk.....dividen type, I think it's more to my type (cause I don't understand much about unit trust or shares yet).

As such, I would like to ask you a few questions :

1) I need to be 21 yrs old before I can put my money in REIT or now also can?
2) I can buy REIT through the stock market thing on CIMBClicks/Maybank2u right?
3) I have about 1500 in my savings currently. Put it in REIT for long term will be better than FD right? (thinking long term)
4) I read thru Malaysia REITsthis graph but don't understand. For returns right, looking at the DPU more important or looking at the yield more important? I got the impression DPU more important, so the yield means nothing in terms of dividends wise?


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1) this as same as ordinary stock, 18 years old can open account already
2) Yes, just as same as ordinary stock
3) Reit risk is different with FD. You can lose money in reit. Although FD is the benchmark, you cannot treat it as same as FD. Do in mind that some overseas reit did go under, due to high leveraged and property price plunging.
4) DPU is the one dictate the yield

Yield = DPU/share price


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QUOTE(ripalo @ Feb 16 2011, 09:16 PM)
Tower has price of 1.25, DPU 5.50 and yield of 8.8%
However,
Sunway has price of 1.05, DPU 6.70 and yield of 6.381%?

If according to your formula, DPU/Reit price..... shouldn't sunway have a higher yield than tower?

Also, in this case, would it be better to buy tower or sunway? My idea is to buy sunway because the price is lower and the DPU is higher. Would I be correct or wrong?

If I'm correct, then the yield doesn't mean anything?
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Tower DPU is not 5.50, something wrong in the figure.

Sunway yield is lower, but Sunway properties portfolio is different with Tower, and somemore Sunway has high liquidity as well much bigger in term of size of reit, which is more preferred by fund managers.
Tower is more about office space only, while Sunway is more hotelier and retail.

You can never say which one is better, always got its trade off.

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