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post Mar 22 2011, 09:00 PM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Mar 22 2011, 05:06 PM)
Do any Axreit holder get anything from this IPO? Perhaps, a 20% discount price to buy its IPO (i wish!)... brows.gif
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LOL, this is wishful thinking.

I don't think so.
It has nothing to do with Axreit actually.
Just another reit that potential being launched and listed by the same management.
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post Apr 6 2011, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(firee818 @ Apr 6 2011, 05:06 PM)
Anybody knows when is the last time AXREIT revalue its properties?
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Axreit got plenty of properties.
Each property will be revalued for every 3 years once.
So time frame for revaluation of property is varied.
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post Apr 7 2011, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(rbk23 @ Apr 7 2011, 10:04 AM)
Hi All, is it buy before the ex-date then can get the income distribution? Or have to buy before the announcement date?

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Before ex-date
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post Apr 7 2011, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(rbk23 @ Apr 7 2011, 10:09 AM)
Thanks cherroy sifu. When each company announces their income distribution? Is it in their website or? Normally ex date will be 2 weeks after the annoucement date, therefore we still got 2 weeks to buy right? tongue.gif

Thanks.
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Some Q, some semi-annual, check their respective history, date roughly the same after Q ended.

Market already anticipated the distribution way before the announcement generally aka price normally creep up before, you don't gain any advantage buying before ex-date.
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post Apr 23 2011, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Apr 23 2011, 10:06 AM)
any dates when it will be launched ??? need to have some liquidity on hand to buy into it tongue.gif
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Based on the news, it should be around June.
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post Apr 24 2011, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(Veda @ Apr 24 2011, 09:26 PM)
Agree with 2010May. What do you think will happen to occupancy and dividend if one or more of its properties are damaged or destroyed in a disaster?
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Huh?
This still need to ask?

Properties damaged, then claim building related insurance, mostly building do have, even apartment.

All things are susceptible for catastrophic risk even ordinary listed company premise, your own business, your house etc.
This doesn't need to be specific mentioned, it is common sense. smile.gif

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post Apr 24 2011, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(Veda @ Apr 24 2011, 10:12 PM)
My question was tongue-in-cheek lah. You need to read a few posts back for context.
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Ok smile.gif


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post Apr 24 2011, 10:19 PM

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QUOTE(Veda @ Apr 24 2011, 10:16 PM)
A lot of ppl like to quote various "pearls of wisdom' like the highlighted.

But my post was specifically in response to a post asking what kind of risks Axis Global Industrial Reit is exposed to.
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Another risk one also need to know is also currency risk.


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post Apr 25 2011, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(Veda @ Apr 24 2011, 10:26 PM)
HK and Aussie dollar will only rise against RM in the medium to long term, IMHO.  Not so sure about yen though ......

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HKD is pegged with USD tightly, So HKD has been depreciated as same as USD.

HKD is one of undervalued currency due to its peg, but don't think the peg will be moved either.
It has been pegged since long time ago, even during 1997 crisis, HK defended the peg fiercely as well.
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post Apr 28 2011, 12:34 AM

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QUOTE(jtleon @ Apr 27 2011, 10:21 PM)
does CMMT or SUNREIT distribute dividend quarterly?
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Semi-annual
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post Apr 28 2011, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Apr 28 2011, 07:37 PM)
Income distribution for this quarter seems good at 4.20 cents. If can keep up this way full year distribution would be 16.80 cents. Seems ok to me. The proposal to pay the management fee in the form of units is also a good development for the unitholders. Lets hope for a jump in tomorrow's price smile.gif

What you think brother cherroy?
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This is good indicator, that management has confident on themselves aka to maintain good earning eventually the unit is valuable in the market.

You don't want to be paid in unit if you view your unit won't fetch good price in the market.

As long as the management fee remains the same as previous, aka same amount with previous in cash term one.


Added on April 28, 2011, 9:44 pmBtw, Atrium 2.15 cents distribution for the Q.

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post Apr 28 2011, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(Evening @ Apr 28 2011, 10:02 PM)
Cherroy,
distribution of RM0.42 per unit, not yet deducted the witholding tax right ?
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First it is Rm0.042, not Rm0.42, if RM0.42, I pawned all belonging to buy tomorrow at Rm2.36. biggrin.gif

Yes, all announced distribution figure is before witholding tax.
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post Apr 30 2011, 01:08 AM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Apr 29 2011, 12:22 AM)
Bonescythe,

That really depends on the situation. I'm in a dilemma now because if I sell it at the current price, my net profit will be equivalent to 3 full years of distribution (assuming that the distribution stay the same). By the way it looks, there is not much room for growth in ATRIUM within these 3 years hmm.gif
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Every reit won't grow until rental revision become higher.
It is same across.

We see Axreit (or any other reit) distribution grow mainly because of properties portfolio expansion, not because the properties rental become higher (although some did due to rental revision, or new lease) or through higher gearing than previously.

Atrium portfolio staying the same since its first day of listing, so you don't see the distribution grow.

Same with Stareit (before the rationalisation proposal).

Let analyse why sell :

1. Higher interest rate, lead to higher lending/gearing cost of the reit, dragging down the distribution.
2. Difficult of getting tenant after old lease expired, distribution going down. Atrium once lose the tenant on one of its properties, lead to severe distribution going down, whereby drag down the price to 60~70 cents.
3. Properties sector is going to be in bad shape across.
4. Have better opportunities with others by utilising the money proceeded from the sold reit, which yield better than 6-7% yield.
5. Higher FD rate. Reit doesn't provide significant different in yield with FD.

Reit is never the same with ordinary stock whereby profit and dividend can go higher and higher depended how much the company bring in the business, while reit cannot, you have 1 property, the most you can have 1 tenant for the whole property.


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QUOTE(MNet @ Apr 30 2011, 12:16 AM)
if interest rate increase then REIT will pay lower dividend?
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Until or if the interest rate increase affect the refinancing cost or borrowing cost which is not with fixed rate.

Most borrowing under reit is secured with fixed rate for short medium tenure. So until new refinancing cycle take place, we don't see much impact on the EPS eventually DPU.

But interest rate increase mean higher FD rate, which in turn closing the gap between reit yield and FD rate, which make reit less as attractive as before.
But I don't see FD rate is going to increase >3.5-4% for near future even 2-3 years down the road. Just my view though, I could be wrong.

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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Apr 30 2011, 09:50 AM)
I'm curious how people evaluate their yields. Does everyone use their historical purchase price like this? Shouldn't it make more sense to calculate the yield using the current price and put in the gain in price as a paper gain? That way, if you see an opportunity for a higher yield elsewhere, it would make more sense to sell, lock in the paper gain and put everything into the higher yielding alternative? The question of course is whether or not you see further price appreciation in that stock, which would affect that decision.

My personal dilemma is more related to physical property than REITs, but I think the same reasoning applies to everything. In my case, for a condo that I own, my rental yield was a respectable 6%, but now the condo value has gone up while my rental has not, so the yield has dropped to something like 4%. If I don't think the condo price will go up further, shouldn't it make more sense to sell the condo and put all the money into some REITs that can yield 7 to 8 percent?
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Own properties
Pro
- has own control, sell, buy, rent.
- Once sold the property, pocket all the realised gain.

Cons
- troublesome, collect rent may not as simple, all depended on luck on tenant
- Generally lower yield, residential is lower yield than reit (commercial property)
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Reit
Pro
- Easy, simple, don't need to deal with troublesome tenant
- Can buy in block, has 5k, invest 5k, has 10k invest 10k, can liquidate whenever your like, while own properties cannot have this luxury. C

Cons
- has no control on the property
- subjected to market risk.

Personally, I preferred reit over own properties because :
1. Don't need to deal with hassle tenant, property issue
2. Liquidity issue.

But reit has one distinct disadvantage, ie. unit reit price can way below the real worth of the NAV.
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post May 1 2011, 11:42 PM

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QUOTE(wankongyew @ May 1 2011, 12:08 PM)
Yeah, but my question isn't about the relative advantages and disadvantages between REITs and property. It is between calculating yields using the historical purchase price or the current market price. It seems to me that we should always use the current market price to get the true yield. Historical pricing flatters the yield too much, whereas if we cash it in to realize the gain and reinvest everything in something higher yielding compared using current market prices, we should earn more overall.
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If you intend to sell and compared the yield, use the existing price or current yield for comparison.
Purchase price yield is irrelevant now.

QUOTE(Jordy @ May 1 2011, 10:31 PM)
wankongyew,

The yield is always calculated based on the price we purchased at using this formula:

DPU / purchase price x 100

That said, we can still factor in our paper gain as it is.

I don't base my decisions on yield, I base it on the INCOME generated. Meaning if I can find a stock which returns (ringgit to ringgit) more than what I'm holding now, I can switch.
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The yield is based on purchase price, but once intended to sell at existing price, we need to use existing price/sold price yield for comparison.

Eg. you bought A reit at 1.00, DPU is 15cents, yield is 15%.
But now A reit is 3.00, the yield now is only 5%.

If FD rate now is 6%. Your 3.00 sold price will get 6%.
FD rate win in this scenario and being preferred.

Paper gain or not is irrelevant now, as you want the money to chase for yield or working as hard as possible.
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QUOTE(jtleon @ May 4 2011, 08:09 AM)
thanks
but in sunwayreit web page shows
Payment Date 14 Mar 2011  for 1 Oct 2010 - 31 Dec 2010
Payment Date 30 Dec 2010 for 20 May 20101 - 30 Sept 2010

and future financial result announcement
3rd Quarter ending 31 March 2011: 03 May 2011 after 1700
Notes:
Payment of distributions will be made within 2 months from the release of the financial results.

seems like Sunway REIT is distributing dividend quarterly?
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Sorry, I no update on Sunway, based on what you posted, then it is quarterly basic already. smile.gif

Reit can change distribution period from time to time. But semi-annual is a min requirement, (if not mistaken).
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QUOTE(jtleon @ May 4 2011, 12:43 PM)
thanks
seems not high as per current price of RM1.09
1.7/109*4=6.24% (annualised) only

but in general  those who distribute dividend semi-anually should have higher % (annualised) ? as we can use the quarterly dividend to re-invest, thus compounding our intereset.
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No, it is the same whether semi-annually or quaterly for yield calculation on reit front.

The compounding effect from quarterly distribution, which let us to reinvest is very minimal, and trivia.
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QUOTE(Lover @ May 5 2011, 02:47 PM)
lower den holding normal stock?  blink.gif
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Reit yield generally is a little higher than normal stocks except a few high dividend stocks.

A yield of 7%, not many ordinary stocks out there can offer such a dividend yield.

You need to consider it is a quarterly basic, aka x4 for annual yield you are getting.

Anyway, Sunreit yield is a bit lower than other, net yield (after witholding tax), is around 5.5~5.8% only.


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QUOTE(hyzam1212 @ May 13 2011, 10:23 AM)
I would believe so based on the current trend. Supply>Demand hmm.gif
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Not actually.

For office space, yes for near future 2-3 years time, yes.
For residential market, supply = demand at the moment.
Whether the demand is speculative demand, this is different perspective.

Do remember once the property market slow down, developers generally cut down the supply.
Supply can be elastic one based on demand.

For reit, there are different class, Mall, Office, Industrial, Hospitality.
Some are under long term lease, some are not.

So the effect of property slump will affect different reit at different degree.
Those under long term lease will have least impact.


Added on May 13, 2011, 11:35 am
QUOTE(jutamind @ May 12 2011, 10:47 PM)
even though REIT is mainly for dividend, but just like any other investments, total return = capital gain + dividend is the most important factor. if you get dividends, but the REIT is losing shit, it might be better off to sell off the losing REIT.
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If reit price is going down, while its earning still maintain, aka same dividend, it makes the reit more attractive as yield become higher.

Buying reit, is all about yield.
Don't buy reit if intended to get capital gain.
Capital gain is a bonus and shouldn't be first consideration when buying reit.

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post May 16 2011, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(HJebat @ May 16 2011, 05:24 PM)
Just curious...

Why do you want to buy into a reit that offers a yield of 2.9%? hmm.gif

I think the yield haven't deduct the 10% witholding tax somemore...am i correct?

FD offers 3% with much less risk...

You have any insider info that i don't have? brows.gif

Come on, do share nod.gif
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2.9%?
Half year, 2.9% may be.

It is a 5-6% yield.

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