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shadow111
post Mar 17 2010, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(mixologist84 @ Mar 17 2010, 10:48 AM)
hence the prob.
sold d60 with kits.
im left with nikkor 35mm prime and tamron 90mm macro.
need to top up quite an amount.
in dilemme if i should get the body first or with kits or with tamron 17-50.
off coz money is a concern. so still looking for a good deal.
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if i not mistaken, someone did some summary/comparison about the tamron 17-50 in D90 V5 post
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post Mar 17 2010, 10:51 AM

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well..my opinion is...since u still got 35mm and tammy...so just buy the body is enough lor..
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post Mar 17 2010, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(shadow111 @ Mar 17 2010, 10:45 AM)
yup.. D90 alrdy hv auto focus on the body, so we can use those lens without build in motor..
saw this from http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/...s/glossary2.htm

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Distance information
D-type and G-type NIKKOR lenses relay subject-to-camera distance information to AF Nikon camera bodies. This then makes possible advances like 3D Matrix Metering and 3D Multi-Sensor Balanced Fill-Flash.
Note: D-type and G-type NIKKOR lenses provide distance information to the following cameras: Auto exposure; F6, F5, F100, F90X, F80, F75, F70, F65, F60, F55, F50, PRONEA S, PRONEA 600i, D2 series, D1 series, D100 and D70s/D70.
Flash control; F6, F5, F100, F90X, F80, F75, F70, D2 series, D1 series, D100 and D70s/D70.
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actually I am still quite confused with D and G thingy rclxub.gif

Not sure what purpose it actually serve..
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post Mar 17 2010, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(selinix @ Mar 17 2010, 11:02 AM)
actually I am still quite confused with D and G thingy  rclxub.gif

Not sure what purpose it actually serve..
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me too.. i only know that G means no aperture ring nia... blush.gif
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post Mar 17 2010, 11:42 AM

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me 3rd...but i never care...as D90 can auto focus on that particular lens then it was enough for me now...maybe later time wan get more lens..then only i will start research about that...tongue.gif
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post Mar 17 2010, 11:52 AM

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I just wanna share my experience, opinions and a bit of researching through the internet about the famous Tamron 17-50mm f/2.8

1. Tamron 17-50 f/2.8 (without motor) - 1st version
- This lens is the fastest focusing lens among all three versions.
- It has no motor and only can focus on bodies with built in motor like D80/D90/D200 etc.
- Some are made in china and some are made in japan. Japan versions are somewhat better optically.
- Quite a lot of this lens version have back/front focus problems especially the built in china ones.

2. Tamron 17-50 f/2.8 (with motor) - 2nd version
- This lens is the slowest among all three versions.
- It has a motor and can focus on all bodies like D60/D5000.
- Afaik, all are made in Japan.
- A small number suffers back/front focus problems.
- The lens electronic contacts sometimes fails to connect to the body. This usually happens because it's still new. Try cleaning it with a clean cloth.

3. Tamron 17-50 f/2.8 (newest version with motor & VC)
- This lens is 2nd in terms of focusing speed.
- Slower than 18-105VR focusing speed but still acceptable.
- It has a motor and can focus on all bodies like D60/D5000.
- From what I've heard, there's no more problems with front/back focus issues.


Now the question most will ask me. Why does the built in motor ones are slower than the one without motor?

1. Tamron still uses micro type motor in all it's lenses and this slows down the focusing speed and thus making it longer to achieve focus lock which is a b***h when taking wedding pics or other fast paced photography jobs. Been there..done that.. Really hate it because my friend's Nikon 18-55VR can have a faster focus lock than me. Sold it off in just a few months...

2. Sigma's 18-50 f/2.8 HSM is really fast because of the HSM motor but IQ and colour wise, Tamron wins. It's a toss between speed and overall IQ.

3. I'd like to note that the newer 1750VC has a faster motor than the 2nd version but it still uses a micro type motor and not a ring type motor.

4. Micro type motor are used in Tamron lenses with built in motor & cheap Canon lenses which usually dont have the words "USM" on it.
- This type of lens is cheaper to produce
- Slower in focusing speed

5. Ring type motor are lenses like Nikon SWM (stated as AF-S on it's lenses) , Sigma HSM, Canon USM, Sony SSM, Olympus SWD.
- This type of lens is more expensive to make
- Fastest focusing compared to micro type and non motor.
- Do note that pro lenses like the canon L lens and nikon's tele lenses have a faster SWM motor compared to normal/cheaper SWM lenses.


* This is why there's a lot of people selling the non motor tammy 1750 at a higher price than newer version (2nd hand).
* This is also why there's a lot of people selling their 1750 built in motor (some just 1 month old) or swapping it with a 1750 without motor.
* Most if not all sellers of the built in motor versions will just say they wanted to upgrade to other lenses, needed money, selling on behalf of friends etc etc...but now you know what the main problem is. It is slow!!!..at least for me where i really need a faster focus lock. The 1855VR, 1870 and 18105VR has a faster focus lock...yeah..
* The older non motor version is nice and fast but be careful if u wanna buy a 2nd hand NON motor version of the tammy 1750 because a lot of em has a front/back focus issue. U need to test it out yourself using a focus test chart here: http://focustestchart.com/chart.html

This post has been edited by alpha_company: Mar 17 2010, 05:40 PM
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post Mar 17 2010, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(shadow111 @ Mar 17 2010, 10:50 AM)
if i not mistaken, someone did some summary/comparison about the tamron 17-50 in D90 V5 post
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thanks shadow, will start hunting now.
btw can u recall the review? good or bad?
im getting a decent offer on tamron 17-50 non vc at 1.2k
most prolly will go for a new body if no better offer
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QUOTE(mixologist84 @ Mar 17 2010, 11:53 AM)
thanks shadow, will start hunting now.
btw can u recall the review? good or bad?
im getting a decent offer on tamron 17-50 non vc at 1.2k
most prolly will go for a new body if no better offer
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No need to hunt anymore...

I did that review.. Updated a few infos here and there..up there before your post thumbup.gif

btw, non VC with or without motor? two very very different lenses in terms of focusing speed.

I saw a lot of newbies starting in photography or ones who wants to go into wedding photography use this lens. But it's sad for me back then when I had a D60 that I was too eager to get the tammy with motor and end up hating it.

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QUOTE(noobie1 @ Mar 17 2010, 10:51 AM)
well..my opinion is...since u still got 35mm and tammy...so just buy the body is enough lor..
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i still need 17-50. 35mm will not suffice. cant afford to take a split second to miss the shot
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QUOTE(mixologist84 @ Mar 17 2010, 12:01 PM)
i still need 17-50. 35mm will not suffice. cant afford to take a split second to miss the shot
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hmm.gif what kind of shots are u talking about? From experience, my 18-105VR and my friends 18-55VR beats the tamron 1750 with motor hands down speed wise in weddings. Maybe u should keep the D60 and get a 2nd hand Nikon 17-55 f/2.8. Sure gonna be puas hati with the Nikkor 1755 drool.gif

For me...when I sold off my D60 with tamron 1750 (w/motor). I didnt look back at the tammy and bought the 18105.. peace of mind nod.gif

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post Mar 17 2010, 12:07 PM

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QUOTE(alpha_company @ Mar 17 2010, 11:56 AM)
No need to hunt anymore...

I did that review.. Updated a few infos here and there..up there before your post thumbup.gif

btw, non VC with or without motor? two very very different lenses in terms of focusing speed.

I saw a lot of newbies starting in photography or ones who wants to go into wedding photography use this lens. But it's sad for me back then when I had a D60 that I was too eager to get the tammy with motor and end up hating it.
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the ones tht im being offfered is with motor.
thanks for the review, it is a great help
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post Mar 17 2010, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(mixologist84 @ Mar 17 2010, 12:01 PM)
i still need 17-50. 35mm will not suffice. cant afford to take a split second to miss the shot
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what i mean is u just buy the body...no need to buy the kit lens...and hence save money for ur tammy....
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QUOTE(alpha_company @ Mar 17 2010, 12:04 PM)
hmm.gif what kind of shots are u talking about? From experience, my 18-105VR and my friends 18-55VR beats the tamron 1750 with motor hands down speed wise in weddings. Maybe u should keep the D60 and get a 2nd hand Nikon 17-55 f/2.8. Sure gonna be puas hati with the Nikkor 1755  drool.gif

For me...when I sold off my D60 with tamron 1750 (w/motor). I didnt look back at the tammy and bought the 18105.. peace of mind  nod.gif
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nope cant keep d60
its sold. i wanna upgrade body bcoz of low light shooting cond. CCD sensor just wont do.
when i say miss a shot is when u are already fixed at 35mm and when u dont have the priviledge to go closer or to take a step or two back. That when you need 17-50


Added on March 17, 2010, 12:17 pm
QUOTE(noobie1 @ Mar 17 2010, 12:09 PM)
what i mean is u just buy the body...no need to buy the kit lens...and hence save money for ur tammy....
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definitely getting the body, now working on the lense.
d90 wit 18-105 kits at 4k flat both new
or new d90 with tammy 17-50 f2.8 (2nd hand) at 4.3k

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post Mar 17 2010, 01:13 PM

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Teehee, 8 Eneloop batteries and charger reached doorstep already tongue.gif
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post Mar 17 2010, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(mixologist84 @ Mar 17 2010, 12:15 PM)
nope cant keep d60
its sold. i wanna upgrade body bcoz of low light shooting cond. CCD sensor just wont do.
when i say miss a shot is when u are already fixed at 35mm and when u dont have the priviledge to go closer or to take a step or two back. That when you need 17-50


Added on March 17, 2010, 12:17 pm
definitely getting the body, now working on the lense.
d90 wit 18-105 kits at 4k flat both new
or new d90 with tammy 17-50 f2.8 (2nd hand) at 4.3k
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for peace of mind, i'll get the new d90 with kit lens..
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Yess... New D90 kit set rocks!

Eneloop rocks too laugh.gif
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post Mar 17 2010, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(edwardgsk @ Mar 17 2010, 01:13 PM)
Teehee, 8 Eneloop batteries and charger reached doorstep already tongue.gif
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Nice set of battery, that's what I'm using too rclxms.gif
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Save the enviroment! Use Eneloop!
*kena poisoned by the Eneloop handbook already* laugh.gif
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post Mar 17 2010, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(edwardgsk @ Mar 17 2010, 01:37 PM)
Save the enviroment! Use Eneloop!
*kena poisoned by the Eneloop handbook already* laugh.gif
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errrmmm.. what so special bout eneloop battery?
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I;m using Eneloop too. bought it 2 packs x 3. Each RM29.

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