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post Feb 16 2010, 05:12 PM

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1 question..

#1 user posted image #2user posted image

For both condition #1 & #2:
Spot metering done at point 1. camera Set to Manual mode, 0EV, say 1/80s, F/4. Flash TTL

NO AEL used.

will the #1 pic slightly overexposed compared to #2 ?

I guess this might be one of the reason that cause my pic have inconsistent exposure.
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I really dislike that SONY make the AEL button together with the Slow Sync button... Slow sync is activated instead of AEL when the flash is used at P/A mode ==> force me to use M mode?

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post Feb 16 2010, 05:38 PM

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the reason for over expose due to the metering is not complete/finalise. even if u set iso+ss+F#, ur last flash TTL is the final AE... thus, ur exposure is not complete, the TTL will still fire until they think the blackshirt is eposed properly. do u get it?

maybe i get straight to the point... ur flash TTL complete the exposure metering. ur TTL will runs automaticly to balance the metering to 0EV. if i'm right, u can set the *AELock to piority to AELock then slowsync.
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post Feb 16 2010, 06:59 PM

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hkhk - true. I used 3200 on that pic, NR got activated n still, it isn't enough i guess.

ieR - lol, thx 4 the compliment =D
lol, external flash! I think i gotto save up for quite sometime b4 getting one of those =D
Btw, wad does those flash numbers mean like F42, F56, F58 etc

Ah, thats wad i've been looking for. Thx alot but still, it doesn't allow multiple selects. cry.gif Good enough though =D
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post Feb 16 2010, 07:26 PM

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post Feb 16 2010, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(hkhk @ Feb 16 2010, 05:12 PM)
1 question..

#1 user posted image  #2user posted image

For both condition #1 & #2:
Spot metering done at point 1. camera Set to Manual mode, 0EV, say 1/80s, F/4. Flash TTL

NO AEL used.

will the #1 pic slightly overexposed compared to #2 ?

I guess this might be one of the reason that cause my pic have inconsistent exposure.
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I really dislike that SONY make the AEL button together with the Slow Sync button... Slow sync is activated instead of AEL when the flash is used at P/A mode ==> force me to use M mode?
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u ask a very unanswerable question here coz u are using M mode...how we know the condition of the shot??
all u have to do is use A mode+flash compensation to get the exposure u want, there are not always get a perfect shot in one time oni..
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post Feb 16 2010, 08:07 PM

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i prefer to use flash in M mode...while camera in AP/SP if im nt playing with lights(normal event/portrait)....if im play with lights(setup shots)..all would be in M mode...

so basically..90% of the time my flash is in Manual..lol
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QUOTE(neo_lam @ Feb 16 2010, 07:33 PM)
u ask a very unanswerable question here coz u are using M mode...how we know the condition of the shot??
all u have to do is use A mode+flash compensation to get the exposure u want, there are not always get a perfect shot in one time oni..
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i tot i just answered him after his post?

the problem is the flash is set to TTL< the metering is still open... means not lock at his exposure yet, even he uses M mode. the flash is still auto and have the ability to fire enough to make the metering to 0ev, this is not just sony, every other camera, the AI is fixed, they arent like human where we can make decision what color/exposure effect we wanted,... that is why the M mode is here to stay.
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post Feb 16 2010, 08:42 PM

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wanna ask, can we use flash to shoot moving objects so tat they get still for tat moment? will it get blurred using it if it can do so?
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QUOTE(eddybeh @ Feb 16 2010, 08:42 PM)
wanna ask, can we use flash to shoot moving objects so tat they get still for tat moment?  will it get blurred using it if it can do so?
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well even with flash on.. I guess there's a limit for how fast the shutter can go with the flash...

so if the subject move to fast (what the hell is that thing? tongue.gif) it wont freeze the moment..

I thought it was.. about 1/300 ... not sure... the camera is not within my reach tongue.gif


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QUOTE(eddybeh @ Feb 16 2010, 08:42 PM)
wanna ask, can we use flash to shoot moving objects so tat they get still for tat moment?  will it get blurred using it if it can do so?
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anything speed that human themself can max out, i think with enough lighting, it can freeze the picture. F58 could reach a certain humanly speed.

as long as u are not shooting a fan at 2500rpm, it wont be a problem to freeze the action. ceiling fan is around 60-70rpm at max and u still can freeze it.


Added on February 16, 2010, 9:04 pm
QUOTE(Ksano @ Feb 16 2010, 08:49 PM)
well even with flash on.. I guess there's a limit for how fast the shutter can go with the flash...

so if the subject move to fast (what the hell is that thing? tongue.gif) it wont freeze the moment..

I thought it was.. about 1/300 ... not sure... the camera is not within my reach tongue.gif
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i think the AF cant even follow, how to shoot? hahahahahahaha

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oic..... thx ya.... anyway.... i just shooting moving human oni.... coz previously i saw ieR's post in v35 or v36 about using flash to freeze the object.. n i tried during this cny when every1 busy eating but then all oso blurred... tat's y i asked.. thx ya....
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post Feb 16 2010, 10:15 PM

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Sweet couple ~~~ Please visit my blog for more photos

Camera Model - Sony A230
Lens - 18-55 SAM (kit)
Aperture - f/11
Shutter Speed - 1/125 s
Focal Length: 55 mm
ISO - 100

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QUOTE(d4rkholeang3l @ Feb 16 2010, 10:15 PM)
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Sweet couple ~~~ Please visit my blog for more photos

Camera Model - Sony A230
Lens - 18-55 SAM (kit)
Aperture - f/11
Shutter Speed - 1/125 s
Focal Length: 55 mm
ISO - 100

PP-ed to Sepia tone
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NICE!!!!!!!! this is really, UMP! hahaha, this type of picture will appear in gallery exhibitions!
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post Feb 16 2010, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(mastering89 @ Feb 16 2010, 01:08 PM)
juz went to Digital Mall PJ, got 1 shop at level 1 selling 50mm 1.8 for RM505.. but i ask for filter UV 55mm kenko rm90 lolz...


Added on February 16, 2010, 1:10 pm

erm tried this b4 inside my room, but room to small  sweat.gif
need play outside...
what to set for ISO btw??
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room small still ok... fyi you can light draw small objects also. like a mini car or cup for starting


Added on February 16, 2010, 10:26 pm
QUOTE(mastering89 @ Feb 16 2010, 01:08 PM)
juz went to Digital Mall PJ, got 1 shop at level 1 selling 50mm 1.8 for RM505.. but i ask for filter UV 55mm kenko rm90 lolz...


Added on February 16, 2010, 1:10 pm

erm tried this b4 inside my room, but room to small  sweat.gif
need play outside...
what to set for ISO btw??
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Iso you can experiment like IS0400 -IS1600 higher but may have more noise.

it depends also if u want to capture the ambient lights for other things or not


Added on February 16, 2010, 10:27 pm
QUOTE(lugiamcg @ Feb 16 2010, 02:24 PM)
Ahmike - hmm, 30s might be a good start =D Gotto try that someday. And btw, if i'm in a dark surrounding but there's a lil' ambient lighting, will the image bcome overexposed on 30s?

Ksano - exactly, no wireless trigger = no bulb mode for alphas unless u have some1 there who're willing to hold the shutter button for ya'  cry.gif

Ksano - since, u have a long shutter time, i'll suggest u to use a low ISO cause high ISOs are noise friendly =D
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depends on how much the ambient light... if u want less ambient try reduce iso and use smaller aperture


Added on February 16, 2010, 10:32 pm
QUOTE(Seng_Kiat @ Feb 16 2010, 04:08 PM)
how to set the focus to infinity? in mode bulb mode, do we need to press shutter (a click) to open and and another click to close shutter? Sorry, I dont have my camera here to test .. biggrin.gif ..
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depending on how far you stand....if your distance is far away set your Lens to MF (manual focus) then manually adjust the lens till it reach the "8" or the infinity sign.

bulb mode is click and hold it, if you release the button the camera will stop capturing.... you may need get to those china brand wired remote to lock the shutter down.

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let's talk about this pic. a good example of 'albnok's you will see what we wanted you to see'

some info of the pic, taken at evening in my garden, when i first gotten my raynox, shot with 55200 at 55mm, raynox DCR250, F32, 1/80 (the F32 cause it to underexpose sad.gif) i left it underexpose, so it could bring out the details/sharpness of what the raynox+55200 can do

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majority people will perceive it as a good photo, good sharpness, pretty flower, the crown looking middle of the flower, the good amount of DoF, etc because of the narrow perceptive, they only see what the picture's main subject is showing.

but, there are minority people, will definitely see the photo as a whole picture. they will see the 'ugly' flower behind it, although the main-subject-flower is big enough to bring all the attention to it. it is still a 'bad' compose with distraction. (i didn't realize until i re-look at my photo, i do that time to time, its a enjoyment to look at our old works, and see the 'growing' progress of ur photography life.)

how u see the photo, is excately how u shoot.
if u see it as a whole picture, u will compose very well.
if u see only the subject, and everything around it become blank in ur head... then, u have to do something bout it~ tongue.gif

let me give u another nice flower photo. taken in nanjuang mountain area, taipei. my sis's God Father's summer cottage/house. wild rose (although planted by uncle, it was left unattended... and it's 8-18 degree here whole year long)
sal1870 - 70mm, F5.6, 1/125, auto iso320
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my story, is to tell, the blooming and the withered. but still, with some distraction around.

but how many people, would perceive it first, the flowers, then the whole picture?

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post Feb 16 2010, 10:39 PM

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QUOTE(ieR @ Feb 16 2010, 08:10 PM)
i tot i just answered him after his post?

the problem is the flash is set to TTL< the metering is still open... means not lock at his exposure yet, even he uses M mode. the flash is still auto and have the ability to fire enough to make the metering to 0ev, this is not just sony, every other camera, the AI is fixed, they arent like human where we can make decision what color/exposure effect we wanted,... that is why the M mode is here to stay.
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yes..u are right...most of the time i use M mode for flash shots...


Added on February 16, 2010, 10:44 pm
QUOTE(ieR @ Feb 16 2010, 10:36 PM)
let's talk about this pic. a good example of 'albnok's you will see what we wanted you to see'

some info of the pic, taken at evening in my garden, when i first gotten my raynox, shot with 55200 at 55mm, raynox DCR250, F32, 1/80 (the F32 cause it to underexpose sad.gif) i left it underexpose, so it could bring out the details/sharpness of what the raynox+55200 can do

user posted image

majority people will perceive it as a good photo, good sharpness, pretty flower, the crown looking middle of the flower, the good amount of DoF, etc because of the narrow perceptive, they only see what the picture's main subject is showing.

but, there are minority people, will definitely see the photo as a whole picture. they will see the 'ugly' flower behind it, although the main-subject-flower is big enough to bring all the attention to it. it is still a 'bad' compose with distraction. (i didn't realize until i re-look at my photo, i do that time to time, its a enjoyment to look at our old works, and see the 'growing' progress of ur photography life.)

how u see the photo, is excately how u shoot.
if u see it as a whole picture, u will compose very well.
if u see only the subject, and everything around it become blank in ur head... then, u have to do something bout it~ tongue.gif

let me give u another nice flower photo. taken in nanjuang mountain area, taipei. my sis's God Father's summer cottage/house. wild rose (although planted by uncle, it was left unattended... and it's 8-18 degree here whole year long)
sal1870 - 70mm, F5.6, 1/125, auto iso320
user posted image

my story, is to tell, the blooming and the withered. but still, with some distraction around.

but how many people, would perceive it first, the flowers, then the whole picture?
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frankly both pictures i saw distraction when i first saw them...the ugly flower behind on the 1st shot and the green leaves and flowers on the 2nd pictures....
thts y we need to look more the professional shots no matter from websites and magazines to learn and know tht "my composition are not tht good"...
next thing is go out and shoot...shoot like a pro then learn to shoot in another perspective of yourself...

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i skipped one page of the thread, didnt realise the topic went to long shutter light photography... lol

something i took a year ago... lol

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25sec F8 iso100. fill fill flash

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QUOTE(ieR @ Feb 16 2010, 10:45 PM)
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that is light painting, rite? how come so nice 1 word 1 word 1? i tot will sambung at least a little 1? blink.gif
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Sweet couple ~~~ Please visit my blog for more photos

Camera Model - Sony A230
Lens - 18-55 SAM (kit)
Aperture - f/11
Shutter Speed - 1/125 s
Focal Length: 55 mm
ISO - 100

PP-ed to Sepia tone
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wow.. this is nice.. but somehow i kinda prefer if the subject are on the left.. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(eddybeh @ Feb 16 2010, 11:06 PM)
that is light painting, rite? how come so nice 1 word 1 word 1? i tot will sambung at least a little 1? blink.gif
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cover the lights so that the camera didnt see lerr.. tongue.gif or switch off...

what I did 2 years ago with a200 when got it tongue.gif

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