they way u appoarch them scares them, usually some insect are more alert at night, some sleep at night... u have to know them... bee sleep at night. etc

wahh, another debate? hahahahaha

albnok: i wont deniel that, generally, it takes perhaps 10 years of photography experience for a person to Mature to compose or to see a great picture. (well, there are some born genius... or artist that catches up really quick, that they took less then a year to learn what general ppl learn in 10 years)

the problem here, in LYN's Sony thread, most of the people here, are partly Lazy, and New. Lazy as, they never bother to do their homework or research... New as, well, PNS users.

like u said, Painters can Paint better... because they see the result before painting (compose before shoot), while many photographers, they... shoot then expect result (shoot then crop, or PP, or never bother). they should learn to be like painters. but in the end, human nowaday, are eager, when once they put thier view through the OVF, they forget everything and shoot as much as they can, trying to hit a bird with some stones.

braindead_freak: good point there. what justified them is, their works, is accepted and praise by the people. we do not need to set a borderline of who is who. or use words to differentiate a machine with lens and a painter or photographer. a good photo is a good photo. a bad one, with no exception, is a bad one. when a so called great photographer shoot nonsense trying to Express himself and it didnt work out, it doesnt mean that the viewer dont understand him, it could be just plainly that, he tried to express himself but fail in the wrong way.

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ksano:

wedding - there is many works to be done, request to be understand and meet.

u see, sometimes, or most of the time, the customer doesnt know what they wan. they might wan something, something in their mind, but no way to express it. some wanted the louispang's way, but not willing to pay him for the job,... so when a photographer pick up the job... he iether be proactive, or passive shooter. to make composition, or to go with the flow (sometimes, the flow are pretty boring and plain)

for me, a wedding shooter is not just about showing the best sweetest skillful photo u can snap. some people can shoot the table and chair that looks like god-send chair and table... but how much the couple would smile over those photo? to me, it's all about showing the couple, what happened that day. because during that day, so much thing to deal, so much to worry, so much to do, both bride and groom's mind is just a piece of white blank... they wouldnt know what happened, until, they see the photo. so it's always a mixture of candid and art. how people always say, photo is a frozen memory.

if a couple pay u just because they wanted Siti Nurhaliza's grand wedding alike shot... might as well ask them to pay actors to play the wedding...

albert, NO... i do not mean u failed. its just, when a bad picture, is bad picture(i am pretty sure u know what i mean), newbie always 'tried' to imitate the pro by duplicating the idea but without the composition. or so called, cincai shoot... i am very sien when people post a pic of cincai shoot, then ask for comment, that is a moving target for Fatman.

when u first post the pic, i felt is a very normal compo, and knowing ur style of 'doing review' i at first thought u were trying to show 50mm's DOF on FF. until u mention there is other meaning, i recalled the wording on the board, until i figure, (and u did a good job in, u wanted people to see what u wan them to see) you compose missing the common word 'jangan' but the 2 nails on the board makes it really difficult to know there is more above.

well, albert, perhaps KL and my town are a little diff, ppl here dont know what they wan. i guess KL ppl has very high expectation. my town, ppl here need education of what they can get out of great photographers. people in my town only know louis pang... that is the only name ever will u hear among couple that going to get married =.=......

regard of bokeh, i really really cant stand one of my friend... he always wanted max bokeh, sometimes until the BG is soooo blur, (example, the bride in foreground, while groom in background), i dont even know the pic is art of the 2 couple until he told me the background is the groom.... (in my head, WTF) at least, give some details of the BG/groom that the groom is there... not the broom...

and i do sometimes find my friend (the couple) some are really sensitive to 'fat' when they are just fine... or even little imperfect on their skin, they go screaming 'delete it delete it' lucky they are my friends... if clients, that mean i have to OT to PP the photoes >.<

ohya, recently, a friend (himself is photographer and company's photography), his company had a company dinner, the company asked him not to shoot but to just enjoy the dinner, they will hire a studio photographer... when they gotten the picture few days later... he was really mad at this photographer... the photographer end up shooting the stage with the backdrop (background) super sharp, but the subject infront are all out of focus, like when they gave awards to the employee etc, they are blur!(it seem like the photographer didnt know how to use the AF point selection?) he wanted to complain to the studio, is there anything he can actually do bout in legally? sue them? (worst thing is when he approach the photographer(who didnt know my friend is a photographer too) claimed that, the photo is 12.3MP, when u develop it to 4R, u wont see the diff... call that professional!

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Added on February 15, 2010, 5:36 ambtw albert, why are u up at 4 in the morning? ehehehehe

what do u think of this? btw, i am planning to sell of this lens... to fund other lens/body


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there are very technical explaination if u would like to listen.

standard by flash, the min shutter u will get is 1/60. let say the background is 2 stop under at 1/60 F5.6 iso400. (kitlens + A300 (iso400limit))

your subject will always lit up to 0ev metering (properly expose) by the flash. now, knowing all of above setting, the question is, how to you make the background expose the same?(as the subject?)

answer is simple, increase 2stop of exposure, but how?

1. Shutter Speed, by slowing down the shutter, u will have more light gain, 2 stop is by decreasing ur speed to1/15 from 1/60, which u might not wan to use it, as it causes blur from handshake if u are zooming at 100mm.

2. Sensitivity of ISO, by pumping to iso1600 from iso400 (that's 2 stop) u'll gain exactly what u need, but problem is, some of us are using older model where, iso400 is as far as they willing to go.

3. Aperture (Ksano you're right), increase the aperture by 2 stop, F5.6 to F2.8, u get more light travel into the lens/sensor, hence u will get brighter background, but as well as bokeh, if bokeh is what u wanted, then its okay, if it is not.... another story.

4. and u can mix 1 and 2 and 3 together, say shutterspeed at 1/40, iso800, at F5, u still gain 2 stop. that is why, Pro use manual, using each of the setting above to compensate of each weaknesses.

tamron? dont think will sell, unless sigma's 17-70 becomes F2.8 and it's as sharp as tamron.

slow sync flash = slow shutter. its just a auto-mode used to overwrite the pre program of shutter in P/A mode.

braindead_freak: true true, like i mention, a good photographer is justified by their works being accepted and praise by the people. definitely my friend's hired 'studio photographer' are not a good one. btw, let me tell u my style (tips) on my tammy. i usually shoot at F4 for the sharpness, constant 1/60 (manual) so even when i zoom to 50mm (supposely 1/80) but i will still get the constant same exposure of the BG with 1/60) and iso pump to 800 is i have to...sometimes iso400 is enough(your A700 can easily goes up to iso16). the rest, flash will do the job. to me, photographS should be consistent too.

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Added on February 15, 2010, 11:35 amnot striking enough, >.< if only u have brought a tripod

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LOL... welcome to the business world... he will, definitely defends him for whatever cause, as long he have his money... lucky he never mention 'my other client dont mind eh' if me, i straight go his studio slap him in the face. LOL.

hehehe, time to learn manual~~ u could have use manual and try every 1/3 stop down to find the color u like. and also, the lcd on the body, is only use to see framing, u have to by heart, knows the exposure and color that ur camera will comes out with, because the LCD itself lacks the color (hardwarely) to produce what u really would expect on ur PC LCD/CRT.

i plan to sell it, i have too much lens sleeping in drybox... i never use 18250 when i somehow found i liked the kitlens more @.@ then replace with 50mm for 3 month, then now uses tammy and fisheye all the time, the rest of the 4 lens (18250, 1870(plan to go with body if i ever sell the body), 55200 until 70200G approved by gf, and 50mm)


ok guys, i going out to pai nian~ hehehe, gong hee, gong hee to everyone who celebrates, and happy hols for those are not~ have a nice day

yes, consistent of background color.

i think u have to do a control test... my best bet is that ur flash contact might not be good or the hotshoe is too lose that ur flash might lost contact when shaked.. this happens all the time.

lugiamcg: the 2nd pic compose is nice... but the pot plant underneath there seem distracting...

1st pic, the right side, is blur... maybe increase aperture to make the pitcher sharp... just the pitcher... but the rest, u can leave it blur.

hahahahaha,,... when i was reading his long explanation,... i got even more confuse... ur explanation... rox! lol...


the crop, the 9 point, the 4 corner at top left right, bottom left right (imagine handphone keypad, 1 3 7 and 9.) the point are there for a reason, they are actually the intersection of the rule of third lines. they actually helps a lot when doing composition...

lugiamcg: if ur camera cant find a focus lock, if u have a portable torch, light up the area, it will help assisting the focus lock.

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this is something new... a good one... it's not perfect (who is to judge what is perfect?) but is indeed a well taken photo...

other then a nice compose... technically, if u have a external flash, it'd be really nice. it's because taken handheld, there are a little soft from handshake.

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Added on February 16, 2010, 5:03 pmgo Fn>AF zone> AF local, then use the Dpad to choose ur af point. if u are on the A330 series, errr that i dont really know where to find the option.

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the reason for over expose due to the metering is not complete/finalise. even if u set iso+ss+F#, ur last flash TTL is the final AE... thus, ur exposure is not complete, the TTL will still fire until they think the blackshirt is eposed properly. do u get it?

maybe i get straight to the point... ur flash TTL complete the exposure metering. ur TTL will runs automaticly to balance the metering to 0EV. if i'm right, u can set the *AELock to piority to AELock then slowsync.

i tot i just answered him after his post?

the problem is the flash is set to TTL< the metering is still open... means not lock at his exposure yet, even he uses M mode. the flash is still auto and have the ability to fire enough to make the metering to 0ev, this is not just sony, every other camera, the AI is fixed, they arent like human where we can make decision what color/exposure effect we wanted,... that is why the M mode is here to stay.

anything speed that human themself can max out, i think with enough lighting, it can freeze the picture. F58 could reach a certain humanly speed.

as long as u are not shooting a fan at 2500rpm, it wont be a problem to freeze the action. ceiling fan is around 60-70rpm at max and u still can freeze it.

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Added on February 16, 2010, 9:04 pmi think the AF cant even follow, how to shoot? hahahahahahaha

This post has been edited by ieR: Feb 16 2010, 09:04 PM

NICE!!!!!!!! this is really, UMP! hahaha, this type of picture will appear in gallery exhibitions!

let's talk about this pic. a good example of 'albnok's you will see what we wanted you to see'

some info of the pic, taken at evening in my garden, when i first gotten my raynox, shot with 55200 at 55mm, raynox DCR250, F32, 1/80 (the F32 cause it to underexpose ) i left it underexpose, so it could bring out the details/sharpness of what the raynox+55200 can do



majority people will perceive it as a good photo, good sharpness, pretty flower, the crown looking middle of the flower, the good amount of DoF, etc because of the narrow perceptive, they only see what the picture's main subject is showing.

but, there are minority people, will definitely see the photo as a whole picture. they will see the 'ugly' flower behind it, although the main-subject-flower is big enough to bring all the attention to it. it is still a 'bad' compose with distraction. (i didn't realize until i re-look at my photo, i do that time to time, its a enjoyment to look at our old works, and see the 'growing' progress of ur photography life.)

how u see the photo, is excately how u shoot.
if u see it as a whole picture, u will compose very well.
if u see only the subject, and everything around it become blank in ur head... then, u have to do something bout it~

let me give u another nice flower photo. taken in nanjuang mountain area, taipei. my sis's God Father's summer cottage/house. wild rose (although planted by uncle, it was left unattended... and it's 8-18 degree here whole year long)
sal1870 - 70mm, F5.6, 1/125, auto iso320


my story, is to tell, the blooming and the withered. but still, with some distraction around.

but how many people, would perceive it first, the flowers, then the whole picture?

This post has been edited by ieR: Feb 16 2010, 11:49 PM

i skipped one page of the thread, didnt realise the topic went to long shutter light photography... lol

something i took a year ago... lol



25sec F8 iso100. fill fill flash

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the light pen/torch can ON/OFF one ma...

achew:???? yea i know... did u miss-read? i never comment u or ur comment wor hehehe

eddybeh:
1. cute...

2. no comment, dunno why are u trying to potray, its a personal photo (the sentimental value is urs to judge, not us)... perhaps remove the 3 people?

3. prefer #4

4. nice; but hope u could shoot 'non moving' hahaha

5. very nice

6. no comment

7. nice~ a good sentiment photo.

eddybeh:ahhh now i get what u trying to potray, prehaps u tried too hards to have 'everything' inside tat make the compose too much, try less subject just the pot and parent?... try composing mid-low angle, firepot front,... parent chitchat behind with slow shutter to show some moving hand/geasture... next year...

achew:IN SG, nothing fly above 5 story is allowed, even remote plane. . malaysia, u wan fly WAU, the higher the better... LOL but there is always a restricted no fly zone (near airport etc)... but SG... whole island is a no fly zone.

kevinwcw: OoF. the left eye is badly OoF... this kind of pic supposely whole face in focus.

blur: 50mm F1.8 is a APS-C format lenses.
BUT
A850 and A900, they can support APS-C format by shooting at APS-C mode, instead of 24MP it shoot around ??(need albnok on this) the crop area of the sensor. it will still tuns crop lens (eg 50F18) but the picture is not FF pixel, but cropped pixel. so instead of getting pure 50mm on FF, u actually shoot at 75mm.

just say, A850 and A900 Does Support all the A-mount lens, but its Not Practical to use crop lens.


guys: imac 27inch or 70200G?

This post has been edited by ieR: Feb 17 2010, 11:47 PM

destful: wei... later u get imac, lagi kuat main facebook game... LOL

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Added on February 17, 2010, 11:44 pmlol, i was eyeing 27inch imac 2 days ago (woahhhhhhhx10000)... hahaha coz since i know buying 70200 will make my gf marah... but imac maybe she wont marah... lol

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