haha... thats wat i mean.
its more convenient and also its a faster way to get cut.
if u have the money, u can supp all u want.
if u got sponsor kan lagi bagus?

other than going to the toilet every couple hours, i dont see much effect from cuts at all and i actually try 2 cycles on it as well... only animal products i will take is animal pak and that's it..

its because ur diet sucks and u dont actually work hard enough for it to have effect.
or maybe, ur body aint suitable for that product.
its not a magic pill that u take, instantly u get cut.
its fat burner, and u got to do the rest of the work.
its like taking 10 scoops of whey a day, but u dont workout well.
wats the point?

what jon is trying to say is this
TRIAL AND ERROR
huhuhuhuhu
kalau tak nampak effect, either ur diet or even if ur diet is stainless, its ur body
what animal cut tak bagi tau is (look at bb.com forums) these things are not meant for those high in bf
thats that
its good for those yang dah cut macam john91 ke, bata ke, kmaru ke (but then again their bodies may not even correspond)


read away dude

do you even know whats my diet looks like and my workout routine at the gym? sitting at 175lbs taking 150-175 grams of protiens and 1.6k cal daily is sucky diet lmao.. 10 scoop of whey? lol even if you workout like a mofo thats still overkill so next time come up with better comparison if you wanna look like a smart ass...

btw i am not saying cuts sucks and i have friends that gets good result with it, i just post my experience with it and universal products are always top notch in my book especially pak which is the best multi vitamins that i've taken...

oh smart ass eh?
haha... well, wateva dude.
10 scoop of whey is overkill?
hahaha... then, i guess, u r smart ass to say its overkill. =.=
if u know how much some ppl takes their protein, then u know it aint overkill.
and yeah, i dunno wat ur diet like... neither ur workout routine.
thats why i say, it could be ur diet sucks, ur workout aint right, or maybe, its just not for u?
read properly b4 shooting... smart guy

all you need is 1 gram protiens per body lb to keep your muscle mass so are you talking about 250g of protien on that 10 scoop so its either you are 250lbs big guy that takes whey all day without any real food? you dont know me and assume my diet/workout sucks without even knowing it so whos gonna read and do more research properly? smart ass.

keep calling ppl smart ass la.
hahaha... there is nth for me to research on u.
i am just saying a simple 3 things.
diet, routine, or it aint for u.
thats all... it could be either one.
u wanna take it whichever way, so be it.
i dont give a damn wat u say anyway.
mr sensitive... hahaha

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Added on April 20, 2010, 1:33 amby the way, 10 scoop of whey is metaphor.
i didnt mean asking u to take literally 10 scoops.
i know some ppl that does.
and yeah, they are way bigger.
if u read properly wat i mention, then u know i am generalizing why ppl dont really get the result.

This post has been edited by JonYeap: Apr 20 2010, 01:33 AM

cause you got pwned so bad i am sorry i hurt your feelings but if you didn't snap on me first, it wouldn't look so ugly on you.. peace!

just dont take it too personally or be too sensitive like a girl.
any more problems, u can pm me.
don't have to dirty the forum...
u can always pm me if u r still sensitive bout it.

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Added on April 20, 2010, 1:37 amhaha i got pwned?
muahaha... oh well, if u like to think that way, so be it.
wakakaka...

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Added on April 20, 2010, 1:44 amyes... haha... thats what i meant.
but mr sensitive got it all wrong.
hahaha... he thinks he pwned me.
oh well, let him be happy bout his call then.
haha... eh gto, u cannot say like that.
later he say his body more cut than john91, bata, kmaru all...
haha... then he later say he pwned u. =.=


This post has been edited by JonYeap: Apr 20 2010, 01:44 AM

Diet wise, you can eat all the protein in the world but still not getting lean if you consume high amount of carbs everyday.

@Hcktr : why dont you post your diet and workout routine here so we can give some opinion?

Cutting has been working really well for me, i went for a zero carb diet for 4 months and i dropped 12kg in weight, 2 belt notch, 3" of waistline , and i gained lots of stretchmarks. What jonyeap said was true, cutting is all about diet + workout, fatburner is just an accelerator.

Lets reply in peace , brah ;D

Or we can learn from u ?

i cant wait for him to post his diet, workout routine and pics.
wooo... it will be interesting since he said like he is doing everything so well.

lipo 6 black works for me !!! hahahhaaaa.....

+ 1

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Added on April 20, 2010, 12:35 pmyeah...my friends also gave positive feedback...same goes to lipo6x and lipo6...

Ergolean AMP 2 also not bad !!

This post has been edited by diablokun: Apr 20 2010, 12:35 PM

I was once at my highest weight at 215 lbs and waistline 36-38 in december 2009, actually 16th dec to be exact thats when i broke up with my ex and i start to hit the gym... right now i am 175 lbs and waistline 30-32 and i do agree that you don't rely on fat burners to lose weights but what i am wanting from them are reduce appetite and caffeine. If you read my posts, you would have notice that i never says lets just take fat burners and you'll get lean in no time. I am just saying i only see myself going to the restroom every few hours when i am taking animal cuts. But jonyeap assume that my diet and workout routine sucks when he had no idea what's it like at all. Anyways, i have stretchmarks all over as well especially on the belly and the back near the armpits area but good thing stretchmarks are better than loose skins =p

I do take 4-6 meals a day but it vary on what grocery do i buy on that week and i work in a restaurant so i can just cook anytimes i want when i feel like eating and also i do have cheat meals on the weekend but weekdays i tend to keep the meal plans this way.

This is example of what i ate today..

wake up - oxyelite pro 2 capsules and 1 capsule Kre-Alkalyn
8-10am - 5 boiled egg whites , oats and 1 scoop of myofusion whey protein shake then animal pak
1-2pm - grilled chicken breast with broccoli
3-4pm - sweet potatoes and salad with little dressing
6-7pm - 1 capsule of oxeyelite pro then dinner but its all depend since i get off work at that time so i might just grilled some steaks/chicken breast and take home to eat or i just go to subway and buy whole wheat turkey breast sandwich

Workout routine

mon - cardio in the morning before work and workout at night (chest/abs)
tues - cardio in the morning before work and workout at night (back/abs)
wed - workout at night (leg and abs)
thurs - cardio in the morning before work and workout at night (shoulder/abs)
fri - cardio in the morning before work and workout at night (biceps/tri/forearm/abs)

No workout for weekend, just some basketball with friends sometimes...

pre workout - 1.5 scoop jack3d and 1 scoop animal storm
post workout - 1 scoop whey myofusion and 1 scoop animal storm

Does jack3d work for you? It just gives me a really bad tummy ache then I have to go poop.

NoXplode gives tht to me.


Chow

Lol you recommend to me wan leh bata XD. Free refund.

Wow, bro, im suprised you know that Proviron is a controlled item!