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English Clubs Arsenal Street Talk, 10/3 03:45 ARS vs POR | FT: ARS 3-1 BUR

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post Feb 20 2010, 03:23 PM

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all this talk of fab leaving... i guess we're consigned to it eh? well honestly if he does go to barca, i have nothing to hold against him. he needs to play at the highest level.

if fab leaves, i have a feeling a certain russian will follow suit too.
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QUOTE(frankiejay @ Feb 20 2010, 01:01 PM)
Do you even think we can afford to sign gourcuff? He's the best player in bordeoux, and lotsa clubs are tracking him. But he could be a good replacement for fab, but i think Wenger would rather use the money and spend it wisely. Nasri to takeover Fabregas' role tongue.gif
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Wrong. AW will keep the money and give it to the board. Wondering where is our money from the sale of Adebayor. Wenger might just put nasri in Fab role or promote Ramsey.

Anyhow, i dont see Fab leaving yet. We'll get chamakh for sure but i hope AW can go crazy and get Gigi and Chilli combo from Juve.


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QUOTE(Vinci777 @ Feb 20 2010, 03:52 PM)
Wrong. AW will keep the money and give it to the board. Wondering where is our money from the sale of Adebayor. Wenger might just put nasri in Fab role or promote Ramsey.

Anyhow, i dont see Fab leaving yet. We'll get chamakh for sure but i hope AW can go crazy and get Gigi and Chilli combo from Juve.
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Chielleni...kinda hard...must be real expensive, since he's already playing 4 a top italian club..plus he's at peak age sad.gif
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certain games we can afford to start other faces like what sakaito mentioned
by that i meant this game againts sunderland
well of course its not easy

but we can start people like Vela and Ramsey.
id like to see that.
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post Feb 20 2010, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(sakaito @ Feb 20 2010, 12:44 PM)
yeap... lots of our players are still below 24 and still learning to cope with big games. for sunderland game, i'd like to see Nasri on a more deep role, playing alongside Song box-to-box. i think he'll do well and he played there a couple of times and did good.

lineup for this weekend?

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Sagna-Sol-Vermy-Clichy
Song-Nasri
-Cesc-
Bendtner-Vela-Rosicky

i do hope Vela will start. Why i put NB52 at right wing? he's the most effective coming in from the right side. as the game goes on, he can interchange with rosicky and vela and play a more central role.

Sunderland have a good pair of CB. also, we have to watch out for Jones and Bent up front. I just hope Clichy and Sagna will stand their ground and do not venture forward too much. Jones is somewhat like Drogba. He can turn on the heat at any time. Bent is just like Rooney, very good positioning sense and killer finishing.

Come on u gunners!!!
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WTH ? shakehead.gif Bendtner is never effective on the wing, his best position is centre. Nope, he shouldn't being doing any interchange and should hold up to his position. He's height is terrific to win headers especially Arsenal throwing crosses in. Vela is not going to start. he'l be in the sub.

Fabianski
Sagna- Cambell- Vermaelen- Clichy
Denilson-Song- Fab4
Nasri-Bendtner-Rosicky.



Fabianski will start imo. Noob Bendtner should get his big week finally. Hope he doesn't throw away all the chances. Walcott might be trying to push in in the wings as well.

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Never effective? At the beginning of the season, Bendtner was playing on the right... and we were winning left and right. I thought it was pretty effective. biggrin.gif

And please please remove Denilson from the lineup tonight... I'd prefer Nasri anytime. thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(Nemesis13 @ Feb 20 2010, 05:24 PM)
WTH ? shakehead.gif  Bendtner is never effective on the wing, his best position is centre. Nope, he shouldn't being doing any interchange and should hold up to his position. He's height is terrific to win headers especially Arsenal throwing crosses in. Vela is not going to start. he'l be in the sub.

Fabianski
Sagna- Cambell- Vermaelen- Clichy
Denilson-Song- Fab4
Nasri-Bendtner-Rosicky.

Fabianski will start imo. Noob Bendtner should get his big week finally. Hope he doesn't throw away all the chances. Walcott might be trying to push in in the wings as well.
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Fabianski
Eboue - Vermaalen - Sol - Traore
Denilson
Rosicky - Ramsey - Fabregas - Nasri
Vela

This formation should finish off Sunderland



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do you guys think that wenger is stoping our players from doing tricks or running at defenders?(expressing themself)? wenger perfer them to just pass the ball around... i seems to feel that way...when i watch nasri when he was at OM he was running at defenders, doing tricks.....vela too...when he was at spain on loan at osasuna...he made sergio ramos look like a fool...

we got so many talented players but we can only field 11 players at a time.
i think our youth systm is all wrong...fab is only 22 years old..and he is considered the most senior of our players...and there are so many other young players behind him lining up to play...when will those youngster get to play??? the likes of JET(19 soon to be 20), lansbury(19 soon be 20), gibbs)20 soon 21),merida(19 soon to be 20), freeman(soon to be 18) ...just to name a few..but there are more...they are all brilliant...but how long they need to wait...fab is only 22..if he play for us until 30(hope so)...merida who is suppose to be replacing him will be 28...no player will wait that long to play in the 1st team...do you blame merida for wanting to leave us??so there is a problem in our system...we need to fix it...

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QUOTE(Casanova88 @ Feb 20 2010, 06:50 PM)
Fabianski
Eboue - Vermaalen - Sol - Traore
              Denilson
Rosicky - Ramsey - Fabregas - Nasri
              Vela

This formation should finish off Sunderland
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wow..rarely read post from you like this rclxms.gif

bendy at right is effective when rvp is available


Added on February 20, 2010, 9:16 pmespn or starsport?

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QUOTE(Vinci777 @ Feb 20 2010, 03:52 PM)
Wrong. AW will keep the money and give it to the board. Wondering where is our money from the sale of Adebayor.
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25M is nothing when you consider that we have one of the highest wages in the league, our stadium debt, and the numerous contract extensions which we offered to keep the current team together.

QUOTE(super messi @ Feb 20 2010, 07:01 PM)
do you guys think that wenger is stoping our players from doing tricks or running at defenders?(expressing themself)? wenger perfer them to just pass the ball around... i seems to feel that way...when i watch nasri when he was at OM he was running at defenders, doing tricks.....vela too...when he was at spain on loan at osasuna...he made sergio ramos look like a fool...

we got so many talented players but we can only field 11 players at a time.
i think our youth systm is all wrong...fab is only 22 years old..and he is considered the most senior of our players...and there are so many other young players behind him lining up to play...when will those youngster get to play??? the likes of JET(19 soon to be 20), lansbury(19 soon be 20), gibbs)20 soon 21),merida(19 soon to be 20), freeman(soon to be 18) ...just to name a few..but there are more...they are all brilliant...but how long they need to wait...fab is only 22..if he play for us until 30(hope so)...merida who is suppose to be replacing him will be 28...no player will wait that long to play in the 1st team...do you blame merida for wanting to leave us??so there is a problem in our system...we need to fix it...
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You probably don't know Arsenal enough to realise that Arsene is a manager who encourages his players to enjoy their football and try whatever tricks they have. He is not Mourinho who instills strict roles to every single Chelsea player, or Rafa who stifles the exuberance of tricky players like Babel (the player mentioned it himself). The efficacy and results are debatable but it's not the point of discussion here.

Nasri's fame at Marseille, especially the new Zidane nickname, has been one of the reasons why people tend to put sky high expectations on him. He's still barely past his 20s, and has unfortunately suffered numeous injuries which prevented him from producing a consistent performance. I agree to an extent that he hasn't shown his potential nor has he been as effective as our previous wingers have (Freddie, Bobby, even Overmars), but he is no worse than Hleb and has age on his side to achieve more. Most players tend to look more attractive to watch in la Liga simply because the Spanish League encourages more technical play; whereas in EPL everything is more fast paced and physical. Vela simply hasn't got enough chances to prove his worth hence it's not fair to judge him yet.

The only gripe I have about our youth system is that it produces so many good players that we cannot accomodate all of them and some, if not most of them, will eventually leave. Not a true complaint I suppose, as I'd rather have more players whom we can sell off if they are unrequired, rather than have to spend money just to fill the numbers. We've let go of youngsters who were either impatient in their progress or simply lacks the cutting edge - Bentley, Pennant, Quincy, Justin Hoyte, Muamba, Jerome Thomas... not one of them can boast that they have better achievements as they did with Arsenal. It's understandable if Merida wants to leave, but him losing Arsenal would be more severe than Arsenal losing him.

Our youth policy started to garner attention after the dismantling of the unbeaten team and the rise of sugardaddy owners like Roman, but not many realise that this current team is only the beginning. The 'real' youth-based team will only start to emerge in the next 5 years as our current <20 year old teenagers start to march into their peak age. By that time we should have a team where the majority of players were playing together under the same system, same style, and hence same wavelength as each other; and hopefully all of them would have developed a sense of commoraderie and loyalty. Again it's hard to say whether this will bring success or not, but this is the ambition that many people, fans and pundits alike, do not realise.

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we have star in the making
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hes tall right
dont need money lah wei
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QUOTE(StarGhazzer @ Feb 20 2010, 10:27 PM)
25M is nothing when you consider that we have one of the highest wages in the league, our stadium debt, and the numerous contract extensions which we offered to keep the current team together.
You probably don't know Arsenal enough to realise that Arsene is a manager who encourages his players to enjoy their football and try whatever tricks they have. He is not Mourinho who instills strict roles to every single Chelsea player, or Rafa who stifles the exuberance of tricky players like Babel (the player mentioned it himself). The efficacy and results are debatable but it's not the point of discussion here.

Nasri's fame at Marseille, especially the new Zidane nickname, has been one of the reasons why people tend to put sky high expectations on him. He's still barely past his 20s, and has unfortunately suffered numeous injuries which prevented him from producing a consistent performance. I agree to an extent that he hasn't shown his potential nor has he been as effective as our previous wingers have (Freddie, Bobby, even Overmars), but he is no worse than Hleb and has age on his side to achieve more. Most players tend to look more attractive to watch in la Liga simply because the Spanish League encourages more technical play; whereas in EPL everything is more fast paced and physical. Vela simply hasn't got enough chances to prove his worth hence it's not fair to judge him yet.

The only gripe I have about our youth system is that it produces so many good players that we cannot accomodate all of them and some, if not most of them, will eventually leave. Not a true complaint I suppose, as I'd rather have more players whom we can sell off if unrequired, rather than have to spend money to buy more just to fill the numbers. We've let go of youngsters who were either impatient in their progress or simply lacks the cutting edge - Bentley, Pennant, Quincy, Justin Hoyte, Muamba, Jerome Thomas... not one of them can boast that they have better achievements as they did with Arsenal. It's understandable if Merida wants to leave, but him losing Arsenal would be more severe than Arsenal losing him.

Our youth policy started to garner attention after the dismantling of the unbeaten team and the rise of sugardaddy owners like Roman, but not many realise that this current team is only the beginning. The 'real' youth-based team will only start to emerge in the next 5 years as our current <20 year old teenagers start to march into their peak age. By that time we should have a team where the majority of players were playing together under the same system, same style, and hence same wavelength as each other; and hopefully all of them would have developed a sense of commoraderie and loyalty. Again it's hard to say whether this will bring success or not, but this is the ambition that many people, fans and pundits alike, do not realise.
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good point there bro...but kinda sad seeing some of those players go...merida is very good player actually but he didnt have the chance to prove himself...i hope the likes of lansbury and JET make it through....they have so much potential... seems that we are breeding more english players now...that good...
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