I'm thinking of buying this item, the shop says it costs around RM1800.

Anyone used this product before?



What criteria should I look out for when it comes to water alkalizers? How does Panasonic's product compare with other similar items in the market?

Is the price fair or overpriced?

I want to know more before buying.

I am looking at the same unit too. It sells for rm2300 in some places like Harvey Norman.

As far as alkaline water filters go, anything below rm2000 is considered well priced as true alkaline water filters, where you can adjust the level of alkalinity, do not come cheap.

As to whether this particular brand is good or not, I can't comment as I have not owned it - yet.

I'm actually confused : while some websites claim consuming alkaline water doesn't serve any purpose -

"Have you seen advertisements for products such as coral calcium or alkaline water that are supposed to neutralize acid in your bloodstream? Taking calcium or drinking alkaline water does not affect blood acidity. Anyone who tells you that certain foods or supplements make your stomach or blood acidic does not understand nutrition.

You should not believe that it matters whether foods are acidic or alkaline, because no foods change the acidity of anything in your body except your urine. Your stomach is so acidic that no food can change its acidity. Citrus fruits, vinegar, and vitamins such as ascorbic acid or folic acid do not change the acidity of your stomach or your bloodstream. An entire bottle of calcium pills or antacids would not change the acidity of your stomach for more than a few minutes." http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelate...DSH/coral2.html

"We have been told for years that coffee, acidic fruit as well as spicy foods can aggravate acid stomach. Therefore, we should avoid these in our daily diet in order to reduce acid stomach. A recent study published in the Archives of Internal Medicine in May 2006 showed that none of these myths hold true. Researchers from the Stanford University found that the only two behavioral changes can reduce symptoms of acid stomach - eating less and elevate your head while sleeping." http://www.healthcastle.com/acidstomach.shtml

"If you do drink alkaline water, its alkalinity is quickly removed by the highly acidic gastric fluid in the stomach."
http://www.chem1.com/CQ/ionbunk.html

But how come credible companies such as Panasonic and many more keep churning out alkaline water machine ???? Do they offer any real benefit which we are unaware of?

Alkaline Water Machines and Your Body’s PH


Can alkaline water from a water ionizer really change my body’s pH?

In short the answer is: No.

The optimal pH for sustaining life is 7.356. All our body’s functions happen within a very narrow range around this pH number. Falling below or above this pH range means imbalance and disease.

When body pH goes off its optimal range, microbial life forms in the blood can change shape, mutate, mirror pathogenesis, and grow. When body pH goes off, enzymes that are constructive can become destructive. When body pH goes off, oxygen delivery to cells suffers. You get the point…

There is a great myth circulating around the internet, fuelled by certain water ionizer on-line merchants, that drinking alkaline water from a water ionizer will change your body’s pH and shift it towards a more alkaline status.

Even though claims like this are brilliant from a marketing point of view they do not have any scientific base and, more importantly, are misleading.

So what is the value in water from a water ionizer? Why is there so much hype about water ionizers around the alternative health water coolers and (lately) more mainstream health-conscious circles?

What makes water from a water ionizer important to our body’s well being is its Oxidation Reduction Potential value (O.R.P.) and its micro-clustered physiology.

Oxidation Reduction Potential (ORP, or Redox) is a measure of a water capacity to either release or gain electrons in chemical reactions. The process of oxidation involves losing electrons while reduction involves gaining electrons.

A water ionizer has a negative redox potential which means it has many extra negatively changed ions that are ready to donate to positively charged ions. The excess of alkaline or negative ions, also called hydroxyl ions (OH-), will readily form bonds with any excess acidic or positively charged ions, also known as hydrogen ions(H+). Once a negative ion binds with a positive ion (H+) it will neutralize the acid (H+) and remove it from your system.

The process of ionization changes the physiology of water. Water molecules come in clusters rather than single molecules. Tap water has very large clusters (10 to 13 molecules per cluster). Electrolysis reduce these large tap water clusters from their original size into so called ‘Micro clusters’ (5 to 6 molecules per cluster). The smaller cluster size gives the water excellent hydrating properties, high solubility and good permeability. This gives ionized water the ability to hydrate better.

There is also some merit to ionized water’s alkalinity. It’s basic chemistry 101: alkaline neutralizes acid. It’s been proven beyond any doubt that our bodies, our diet and our environment are increasingly acidic. Drinking alkaline water from a water ionizer will help us neutralize all these acidic sources in our daily life. But that’s just it: alkaline water can only help the body in its struggle to maintain its pH within its optimal range.

The American medical status quo, just like it has done with every new and fresh health-oriented alternative in its past that has challenged the common belief and tried to shift our collective thinking, is throwing everything but the kitchen sink towards discrediting ionized water.

Ultimately, it’s up to each one of us to weigh the pros and the cons and shift our way of thinking towards a healthier more vibrant lifestyle.

i have it but i dont drink it.coz it's not cold haha.and i dont know what's the advantage by drinking it.can someone explain?

I drink alkaline water everyday since the past 3 years., and I never feel sick/sorethroat every since compared to before.

The machine also produced mild acidic water, which very good for the skins. I wash my face daily using acidic water, and I never had any pimples compared to before.

So, it is like a miracle water for me.

I just installed the machine, are you sure the acidic water is safe? It is acid you know.

http://www.moresales.com.my/catalog/entry/ikznqjzy.shtml

I'm using Alkadyn water filter for the past 1 year++. Check this out: http://www.alkadyn.com/site/

i sell alkaline flask.. it just cost you rm300.. it can alkalize plain water.. i can show you the demo.. check out my signature below..

I was looking around for alkaline water ionizers and ended up my 3 months research when I got myself the Lydia 9 Turbo unit from Alkalife Water (http://www.alkalifewater.com/) and definitely happy with the product quality, exceptional service, longest warranty in the market and best water quality. I was handled by Mr Kevin Wong from Alkalife Water. I invited him to my humble home for a water quality test. Here, I am convinced as the explanation was very thorough on how the water can help us. If you are interested to find out how alkaline water can help us in our modern age, give him a call at 012-6279196. I promise you that you will be extremely happy with his professional service and vast understanding in not just water, but also our health/lifestyle. I learnt so much during the tests conducted at my home!

Highly recommended for everyone looking for a good water quality which is the basic necessity in our life. We drink water everyday!

This post has been edited by StrOmGaLD: Feb 28 2014, 11:04 PM

Forget about the Panasonic model. Its really old in technology. I recommend you to watch the water quality test by Mr Kevin Wong from Alkalife, 012-6279196. He will explain to you just about any question you can think of. I have no regret going for the Lydia 9 Turbo.

Hey bro, my friend was telling me the exact same testimony as you. He used to be sick very often and when he started drinking alkaline water, he never felt sick anymore. The last time he felt sick according to him was about 1 year plus ago! Its really miracle water to him too! Giving myself a try!

This post has been edited by StrOmGaLD: Feb 28 2014, 11:02 PM

As far as my knowledge, Panasonic alkaline water filter still the best one and value for money. Those claims Panasonic technology is outdated is the one don't know how the alkaline machine work.

I've been reading lots of stuff on alkaline water. Do you guys experience any side effects?

Hey alkaline water sifus!

Please check out these:-

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9198011

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9524951

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9922944

My BIL just bought a kangen for RM12,000; I'm worried about the side effects. I still prefer a normal water filter.

If you are in doubt, please contact me, I am semi expert in this kind of water.

012-2579070, Low KS

expert ,semi-expert or otherwise.... this is a forum, not one-to-one product selling session. Share what you know.


http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelate...DSH/coral2.html

Could you please share your knowledge on the risks in consuming alkaline water?

Thank you.

my body already in alkaline state...no need this water..

How could this be? Mind sharing?

AO Synergy is the specialist in alkaline water machines. These ionizers produce alkaline water through electrolysis process.

Currently we are having different models catering for different market segments, We have high end, standard and economic series. Scientific research has reported that ionized alkaline water has the following health benefits: neutralize acidity, anti-oxidative, and detoxifying.

Visit us for more information: AO Alkaline Water

I heard alkalife also good. Anybody use alkaline system that can share? I want to buy one but price range from few hundred to thousands. Please share and recommend. TQ very much

Go to the mall, find some mineral/spring water.

Look at the back, and read and see if body takes pH > 7.

Body needs to adjust slowly to alkaline... if you have a bad reaction to it, it might be best to avoid purchasing one in the first place...ie: wasting few thousands.

Everyone's body reacts differently....so, don't just go get it, because scientific articles and 30 people commented that it is good.

Check out Enagic's machines (www.enagic-my.com) or if you time, watch the following videos.

Demo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNDGwFsuiZE

Full presentation - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WFRSHfgKXY

It is very normal to have a reaction for some people who are drinking for the first time.

I think sampling it first would be the best option.

Generally, there are no side effects to this. But for some people who are drinking for the first time, there may be some kind of reaction such as head rush (better absorption by the brain due to micro-clustering), needing to go to the toilet (clearing out bad stuff in our body).

I think what you can consider to do is to try and try out samples first beforehand. You will know it when you see the results.

Yup magic water!

But I'm still skeptical. Kangen is a medical device from what I understand.

No lah. Not magic water haha.

If only.

I invited him to my home last week. He was able to explain all I needed to know, along with other topics regarding to health. I'd certainly recommend Kevin who is looking for an alkaline water system - at least compared to the others I've met, he knows the hard facts.

anyone here got use nesh alkaline water?

please give some review

intent to get 1

Yup m planning to get one Alkalife for my house too. Anyone mind sharing how much is it?

our body doesnt need alkaline water. Every water we drink, will auto adjust the ph value to match our body. And only doctor can suggest what kind of ppl need drink alkaline water. All you need is clean & health water.

IF U DONT HAVE HEAVY DISEASE, DONT DRINK ALKALINE

http://www.apswater.com/article.asp?id=198...+Simple+Science

Pseudoscience. Can't even bother to buy one.

Hi,
I have shortlisted 2 brands but not sure which brand is better, since you have done 3 months research, can you give me some advise?
-Lydia 7S or VWA 7070 Turbo

Looks like their function and feature are quite same.
but the differences are:
Lydia
-PH3.5-10 (cannot wash away pesticides)
-10 years warranty
-RM6800
-Filter: 6000 liter (RM520 per change)

VWA 7070 Turbo
-PH3-11
-3+7 yeares warranty
-RM7299
-Filter: 3600 liter (435 per change)

Thanks.

Save your money, buy better quality and healthier food. You'll thank me.

my dad installed an alkaline water machine few months ago (not cheap oh..), first week of drinking my bro sakit perut 2-3 times. Our family have no idea whether we are drinking it right or not, then we have been told by my friend's dad says alkaline water makes your stomach hard to digest food, becoz the gastric juice are acidic and alkaline water neutralize it. but after we still decided stop using it and purchased a purifier, ok what, still alive.

PS: I didn't mention any brand and I'm NOT trying to defame or promote any brand(later kena complain), just my personal situation, but I'm fine to tell u privately :LOL

This post has been edited by mists29: Aug 23 2015, 03:18 PM

I think "alkaline water" is a myth

hmm. Cannot say alkaline water bad also coz i'm not expert. Depend on the user's condition I think.

bt why drink chemical water when you can drink clean water??

Up to you to believe or not.

http://jonnybowden.com/alkaline-myths/

Or you can just google about it

hmm good info right there, luckily we don't drink oredi

We bought Alkalife lydia 7. No regrets. Test free as agent comes to your home free. Call Hew+60166585365. Mention teohseokmay to get free rm250 portable filter after home trial

This post has been edited by ricstc: Aug 23 2015, 10:43 PM

I have to agree to colinwong89 & ricstc

There's practically no harm in getting to know much more about our waters further instead of brushing it off. I went through Kevin Wong 012-6279196 and he was the only consultant that could explain and answer all my questions which I wanted to know. This also ended my 3 month research as all was clarified within a setting. I invited him for a visit at my place and it was probably the best thing I did throughout my research on alkaline water and went for the Alkalife Lydia 9 Turbo right after. Its pretty easy to understand as Kevin will try to explain as layman as possible. Besides that, I find that its good for the whole family to be in the know too. I'll strongly recommend, Kevin Wong to anyone looking for one. He's quite busy from what I was told, better to set up an appointment earlier to match your favorite timing.

Exactly colinwong89, you put it rightly, he does know the hard facts. Getting to know something much more in detail makes it easy to make a right decision After all, what's wrong by knowing something in detail, you've all to gain and nothing to lose in my humble opinion.

The facts:

pH and ORP is not linked to health. It is the water contents that matters, period. Important ones are calcium and magnesium.

And pH and ORP are the measurement of the availability and amount of these contents.

You've been sold 'cool marketing fad' and sales tactics.

If you have cash and want really good, research proven water, I can point it out to you.

But personally, I would just use a simple outdoor sediment filter + indoor carbon based filter + boiling.

Not the healthiest, but it's already in the top 95% in terms of body requirements for health.

I do not need to pay more than a thousand ringgit to get that additional 5%.

The money can be channeled to higher quality food which is more important in this case.

Hi all, i am a newbie here. Thinking of want to buy ionizer system. But there are too many brands in the market, for like panasonic, alkalife , AO, Kangen also. My friend has bought kangen but it cost RM12,000. I came across ioniser from Bacfree and it cost around RM9500++. May i know which is better? and Have you all heard about the ioniser system from Bacfree? They claimed that the product are from Hitachi, and have self cleaning system and can do whatever function that Kangen water can do also.

Please help.

Why don't you pay me RM500, I educate you on what is best to use, i.e. non-ionizing, and help you save >RM10K.

I actually got eczema problem and some info in the website claim that alkaline water can cure it. Installed a rubine alkaline machine (got it free from my supplier) at home for 6 months but no improvement. My mom had diarrhea after drinking it, salesman says it is good as it is helping to detox and ask her to try lower PH level for stomach to get use to it. After doing some research online, most alkaline machine only provide one membrane cartridge filter which is 0.1 micron. Just a 0.1 micron membrane filter is not sufficient to filter off all the contaminants, even RO water which is the purest water with 0.0001 micron need to be used together with a carbon block filter. So, how clean is the alkaline water ? ? ?

Copied from
http://www.waterbenefitshealth.com/reverse...osis-water.html

"While reverse osmosis is effective for removing a variety of contaminants in water, the reverse osmosis membrane alone does NOT remove volatile organic chemical (VOCs), chlorine and chloramines, pharmaceuticals, and a host of other synthetic chemicals found in municipal water.

However, some R.O. systems now have multi-stage filtration media (in addition to the R.O. membrane), such as Activated Carbon, which does remove chlorine and certain pesticides."


There are still debates on alkaline water is good and some say no good, there is no 100% conclusion and as mention it is still a myth. I tried and it doesnt improve my family's health bt instead mom got diarrhea.

From another website mentioned there are two types of alkaline water, ionized alkaline water which is from the alkaline machine and natural alkaline water (mineral water). Natural minerals in our water is alkaline, when water picks up more mineral the higher the pH level, hence more alkaline. So, drinking water with high pH means your water has a lot of good minerals in it and it is good for our body. However, the ionized alkaline water produced by alkaline machine does not add in minerals to it and our body will automatically regulate the pH level by producing more acid to neutralize the alkaline water, so i guess there wont be any health benefit to it.

From my experience, most important is to drink more CLEAN water as we wont know how the little contaminants in our water could affect us in the future, it might not be harmful now but after 5 years or more you might only start to see the side effect. Unless you have some kinda of sickness or skin problem like me, you can give it a try.

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Oct 15 2015, 05:40 PM

Hi there, I've recently bought a tyent https://www.tyentusa.com/water-ionizers/cou...er-ionizer.html based on the referrals from relatives who are doctors. They also did a review here https://www.btrendie.com/alkaline-water-ionizer-machine/

Ada

Your relatives just get few hundred bucks referral fees from your ionizer water
Your body become acidic only when you are sick.
Your body have its own natural pH balancing mechanism.
If you desperate to boost alkaline level, get from fruits & veges, not by ionizing water.


This post has been edited by oyching88: Jan 15 2017, 01:03 AM

I saw there are 1 drain hose beside the main hose. What are the purposes for the water come out from this drain hose? Isn't it waste more water?

I have been drinking Kangen water for 6 months, and it cured my constipation problem. Used to take fiber for 10 years but after drinking Kangen water i do not take fiber anymore. Not only that, i particularly like the PH11.5 from the machine which can effectively dissolve oil based pesticides, it just functions like the vege wash you see in the market now.

Although the price of the machine is steep, but i did not hesitate to purchase it after seeing two real testimonial from my friend's sister and colleague's husband. One is diabetes index dropped from 12 to 7, another is helping to lower high cholestrol and high BP (diagnosed as high stroke risk and hospitalised).

Some say our body will neutralise harmful acidity, but after i study more about how food and lifestyle nowadays lead to more chronic diseases, i believe drinking ionized alkaline water is good to health.

There are always different thoughts and even research results are contradictory with each other.

After all, it's based on which one you believe

This post has been edited by Amsie: May 8 2017, 12:24 PM

One can also balance the acidity in the body by eating foods which will become alkaline after going through the digestive process.

Contrary to popular belief, alkaline and acidity has nothing to do with the stomach acid which is always acidic. It is rather the blood plasma alkaline balance which is important.

Naturally, our blood is alkaline due to mineral trace content; and since our body is very smart; thus if we are always in acidic condition (due to unhealthy eating habits); the body will start taking the minerals from other areas of the body (organs, skin, bones) to ensure that the alkaline balance is maintained. This is when we fall sick often or have other inflammatory prone disease like cancer.

Just google up and find alkaline food, and you can get a lot of information. If you have a lot of cash to spare, then probably investing in quality nutritional supplement will be a much better choice than just spending on water filters with "magical" cures. My 2cents

This post has been edited by dayalan86: May 9 2017, 03:31 PM

I have no idea why Kangen water filter is priced almost 2 to 3 times more than a competing commercially available Japanese branded machine.

However, I am glad that it works for you. Hopefully, Kangen can publish some scientific hard evidence on their claims; as the company itself came back saying the claims were only made by those who used them and they are not standing by it.

http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia...ut-kangen-water

our body will automatically, regulate the pH level, unless we have some organ failing and unable to balance the pH then may be drinking alkaline water could help. If your blood pH level is below 7.35 or higher than 7.45, you could die .......


Copied from :
http://drbenkim.com/ph-body-blood-foods-acid-alkaline.htm

Is it true that the foods and beverages you consume cause your blood to become more alkaline or acidic?

Contrary to popular hype, the answer is: not to any significant degree.

The pH of your blood is tightly regulated by a complex system of buffers that are continuously at work to maintain a range of 7.35 to 7.45, which is slightly more alkaline than pure water.

If the pH of your blood falls below 7.35, the result is a condition called acidosis, a state that leads to central nervous system depression. Severe acidosis - where blood pH falls below 7.00 - can lead to a coma and even death.

If the pH of your blood rises above 7.45, the result is alkalosis. Severe alkalosis can also lead to death, but through a different mechanism; alkalosis causes all of the nerves in your body to become hypersensitive and over-excitable, often resulting in muscle spasms, nervousness, and convulsions; it's usually the convulsions that cause death in severe cases.

This post has been edited by zheilwane: May 10 2017, 04:34 PM

Kangen is priced higher simply because it needs to price in its MLM scheme. There are several other better water ionizers out there. Below is a good link to compare the different ionizers' performance and quality. I am using the one by AlkaViva for the last 2 years, hassle-free maintenance...

https://www.alkalinewaterplus.com/water-ionizer-comparisons/
https://www.facebook.com/AlkaVivaSGMY/video...18698941901540/

And Alkaviva is also a MLM company, RM 9k for a water filter? Are you kidding?

Lol definitely scam

First it was RO water.....now its alkaline water. All this is nothing more than a hype. My body gets it alkaline from the green vegs i eat. No need this overpriced marketing hype. Especially kangen which sells for rm12K per unit. The equipment itself only cost not even a quarter of that price. Its being marked up bcos its a MLM kinda thingy. Some people are getting rich though.

"Blood pH has to be tightly regulated between pH 7.35 and 7.45 as enzymes which facilitate the biological processes in our cells can only function within this narrow pH range. A series of physiological mechanisms are present in the body to regulate the blood pH so it stays within this range. For instance, any excess in acid or alkaline in your blood is simply filtered out by your kidneys to be excreted in your urine. This explains why the pH of your urine can fluctuate after consuming certain food or drinks but this is by no means a true reflection of your overall bodily pH."

SOS: https://dosinghealth.com/2017/07/29/alkalin...act-or-fiction/

I also highly recommend Kevin too. My mom has high blood pressure and my dad had diabetes, have been using ionized alkaline water machine for one week, will report back after a month.

I am sourcing for an alkaline water system, price range rm2.5k -3k. Does Alkalife Lydia 9 Turbo fall under this price range?
Anyone can provide feedback on espring.Alkalife Lydia 9 Turbo or panasonic alkaline water system? Or any reliable alkaline water system that is low maintenance & average priced replacement parts? Do I need to have a tap diverter/adapter? Thank you.

This post has been edited by sue3008: Mar 24 2019, 10:18 PM

Alkaline water is a marketing tactic, if you wish to know more about water I can share those info to you with compare most of the water system in the market.

really feel heart pain for those buy alkaline water systems.

is hydrogen water same to Alkaline Ionizer water ?

Three years ago I bought an unit of COWAY RO water filter dispenser.
But every two months, the service personnel need to come to service the unit (cleaning the filter and sometime replace the filter cartridge).
After two years, need to topup service fee, I decided not to topup.
Now, I am using Panasonic water filter, the genuine original Panasonic filter cartridge are available for everyone to purchase, and we can change it our self easily.

But Panasonic filter does not has cold water hot water capability, what I did is to connect the output of Panasonic filter to input of COWAY water filter dispenser.
In this way, I can get rid of all the COWAY filter cartridges and connect the water tube directly to water tank, so the water purifying is rely on Panasonic filter cartridge entirely.

This post has been edited by tanhks: Jan 9 2021, 06:47 PM

Alkaline water already proven didn't bring any benefits to our health, is just marketing tactic.