any1 have any information about this 3D model LCD TV/player or technology kindly shared with me here......thanks
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Jan 7 2010, 09:33 AM, updated 16y ago
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Hi there any1.....since Sony claiming tat they will be launching 3D model for the FIFA world cup, i have been searching information for this new technology but unfortunately couldnt find any......
any1 have any information about this 3D model LCD TV/player or technology kindly shared with me here......thanks |
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Jan 7 2010, 09:59 AM
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The 3d will be not be a traditional broadcast and the consumer will not be able to watch this by subscribing to it at home.
The broadcast will be in sellected cities around the world and unfortunately Malaysia is not part of it. Some games will be sent live to some 3D theatres and you would need to go there to watch it. However they are recording a lot of games in 3D for later release on Bluray. there is a lot of info on line about it google "World Cup 3D" and "World Cup Fan Fest" |
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Little noob question.
Do we really need special 3D hdtv to watch 3D movie?I thought it is only about how they produce the movie. Can current lcd or plasma watch 3D movie with only the 3D glasses. For example I bought this movie "Best of Both Worlds Concert: The 3-D Movie", can I watched this on my normal plasma tv? ![]() Thanks This post has been edited by MeeR: Jan 7 2010, 10:54 AM |
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QUOTE(MeeR @ Jan 7 2010, 10:39 AM) Little noob question. i think can gua...... coz my housemate desktop oso can produce 3D movie... now waiting for 3D glasses.... hope can get it today Do we really need special 3D hdtv to watch 3D movie?I thought it is only about how they produce the movie. Can current lcd or plasma watch 3D movie with only the 3D glasses. For example I bought this movie "Best of Both Worlds Concert: The 3-D Movie", can I watched this on my normal plasma tv? ![]() Thanks |
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For 3d movies you will need 3 d glasses,3d tv and the channel or disc must also be supporting 3d....
3d TVs for consumer will be launched next year however for the world cup only in the US will provide channels supporting 3d. For now...a 20 inch 3d tv costs like 3 k USD lol http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/09/18/3D.home...sion/index.html This post has been edited by Sellery: Jan 7 2010, 11:18 AM |
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QUOTE(MeeR @ Jan 7 2010, 10:39 AM) Little noob question. Do we really need special 3D hdtv to watch 3D movie?I thought it is only about how they produce the movie. Can current lcd or plasma watch 3D movie with only the 3D glasses. For example I bought this movie "Best of Both Worlds Concert: The 3-D Movie", can I watched this on my normal plasma tv? Thanks QUOTE(felixwlchuan87 @ Jan 7 2010, 10:57 AM) i think can gua...... coz my housemate desktop oso can produce 3D movie... now waiting for 3D glasses.... hope can get it today yes you can watch it on any LCD/Plasma TV with the provided 3D glassesalso i understand that the PS3 Slim will be able to support 3D maybe with F/W upgrade, R&D is being carried out trying to get the article Added on January 7, 2010, 2:22 pmhere's the article http://vr-zone.com/articles/3d-blu-ray-sta...lized/8177.html This post has been edited by moomoos: Jan 7 2010, 02:22 PM |
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any source for this 3D technology for reading??
and isit really tat we must need to use HDMI 1.4 to be able to play 3D movies?? this year there should be some tv manufacture launching the new 3D ready or 3D model LCD tv...... and i read from some forum claiming tat to play movie in 3D, you will need at least a 3D ready LCD and a 3D blu-ray disc player with HDMI 1.4......any1 have any other info about tis?? |
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/06/directv...coming-in-june/
direct tv will lauch 3D broadcast this year |
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still a need to wear 3D glasses???
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i'm a little confused...in theaters, some movies are in 3D...the most recent being AVATAR, which is also shown in 2D.
so the cinema actually has a 3D projector? (if there's such a thing)..if yes, means this 3D technology been around long time ago... if no, means the normal projector they use to show 2D movies also can be used to show 3D movies? if that's the case, means normal plasma or LCD tv also can be use for 3D contents la is it? say if AVATAR is released on Blu Ray now..with 3D effect (maybe they package a 3D specs along with the disc) then i straight away can enjoy 3D la issit? if dun wear 3D glasses, how can see 3D effect? |
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3D has been around for a long time.
Alfred Hitchcock even shot Dial M for Murder in 3D back in the late 50's or early 60's. There are 3D experiments in japan that have 3D without glasses. The new 1.4 HDMI 3D is a newer HD 3D format. There are lots of ways to do 3D on TV & film. The old red and green glasses will work even on a SD broadcast. i remember in Australia over 20 years ago a 3 stooges movie playing on Ch 9 and we all went and got the cardboard glasses to watch it at home on our SD tvs. |
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QUOTE(TVSPY @ Jan 7 2010, 04:35 PM) 3D has been around for a long time. Watching normal TV or BD with 3D glasses does not 'magically' transform 2D movies into 3D unless u smoked somethingy b/4 Alfred Hitchcock even shot Dial M for Murder in 3D back in the late 50's or early 60's. There are 3D experiments in japan that have 3D without glasses. The new 1.4 HDMI 3D is a newer HD 3D format. There are lots of ways to do 3D on TV & film. The old red and green glasses will work even on a SD broadcast. i remember in Australia over 20 years ago a 3 stooges movie playing on Ch 9 and we all went and got the cardboard glasses to watch it at home on our SD tvs. |
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i thought the next gen of 3D cinemas, LCD and bluray players dont need to wear glasses already, just with our naked eyes
if want to wear glasses, it really makes no, our existing LCD and bluray players oso can oledi, just like hanna montana, jonas brothers BD, correct.... thats y now they produce new LCD ( maybe they have different "screen" layers and 3D bluray players/disc ) to display it in 3D effect for us to view w/o glasses, next gen disc will potray 2 sided data side A (3D) side B (2D) so if our TV and BD player not equipped... just flip the 2D version This post has been edited by moomoos: Jan 7 2010, 05:39 PM |
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QUOTE(MeeR @ Jan 7 2010, 10:39 AM) Little noob question. That is "old" type of 3D which create 3D effect by using 3D glasses that 1 eye is blue and another is red or something like this. If you use 3D glasses from Avatar, you will know that you wouldn't see the 3D effect from this movie.Do we really need special 3D hdtv to watch 3D movie?I thought it is only about how they produce the movie. Can current lcd or plasma watch 3D movie with only the 3D glasses. For example I bought this movie "Best of Both Worlds Concert: The 3-D Movie", can I watched this on my normal plasma tv? » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Thanks The 3D glasses used in Avatar is future 3D glasses for new 3-D Ready Blu-ray players and TVs. This post has been edited by low98944: Jan 7 2010, 05:24 PM |
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Here is News for Panasonic Plasma 2010 line up:
Quote from http://www.dcemu.co.uk Panasonic's initial Full HD 3D televisions will ship in the Spring of 2010 with five models in the VT25 series. Panasonic's Full HD 3D televisions provide full 1080p resolution to both the right and left eye, thereby giving the viewer the ultimate 3D entertainment experience. The VT25 series includes four screen sizes ranging from 50-inches to 65-inches - the TC-P65VT25 class (64.8" measured diagonally), the TC-P58VT25 class (58" measured diagonally), the TC-P54VT25 class (54" measured diagonally) and the TC-P50VT25 class (49.9" measured diagonally). One pair of 3D Eyewear is included. In addition to providing 3D viewing, the VT25 series of VIERA HDTVs features the enhanced VIERA CAST service with Wireless LAN Adaptor ready on its USB port, video call capability(2), VIERA Image Viewer to view JPEG digital still images and HD video recorded on an SD Memory Card; VIERA Link, a PC input, two USB Ports, THX certification and THX Movie Mode, 24p cinematic playback, 600Hz Sub-field Drive (produces 1080 TV lines of moving picture resolution), Infinite Black Pro display with 5,000,000:1 native contrast, four HDMI connections a RS232C connection and ISFccc capability. In addition these TVs feature new phosphor science that allows the TV to switch quicker, providing a smooth 3D image. As with all the Panasonic Plasma HDTVs, the Full HD 3D models have a panel life of up to 100,000 hours and are mercury and lead free. G25 Series The VIERA G25 series includes the TC-P54G25, a 54-inch class HDTV (54" measured diagonally), the TC-P50G25, a 50-inch class HDTV (49.9" measured diagonally), the TC-P46G25, a 46-inch class HDTV (46" measured diagonally) and the TC-P42G25, a 42-inch class HDTV (41.6" measured diagonally). The G25 series features improved VIERA CAST functionality, video call capability(2), THX certification and THX Movie Mode, and VIERA Image Viewer for playing back digital still JPEG images and AVCHD videos recorded on an SD Memory Card and VIERA Link for improved networking. In addition to allowing the user to utilize all VIERA Link capable components with a single remote, the G25 line features a PC input and two USB ports, allowing for Wireless LAN Adaptor connectivity and the addition of a keyboard. The NeoPDP design of the G25 series provides 1080p resolution, Infinite Black display with 5,000,000:1 native contrast ratio, full-time 1080 TV lines of moving picture resolution, 600Hz Sub-field Drive and like all Panasonic 2010 VIERA HDTVs, contains no lead or mercury and has a long panel life - up to 100,000 hours before achieving half brightness. G20 Series The VIERA G20 series includes the TC-P54G20, a 54-inch class HDTV (54" measured diagonally) and the TC-P50G20, a 50-inch class HDTV (49.9" measured diagonally). Like the G25, the G20 series features improved VIERA CAST functionality, video call capability(2), THX certification and THX Movie Mode, and VIERA Image Viewer for playing back digital still JPEG images and AVCHD videos recorded on an SD Memory Card and VIERA Link for improved networking. In addition to allowing the user to utilize all VIERA Link capable components with a single remote, the G20 HDTVs feature a PC input and two USB ports, allowing for Wireless LAN Adaptor connectivity and the addition of a keyboard. The NeoPDP design of the G20 series provides 1080p resolution, Infinite Black display with 5,000,000:1 native contrast, full-time 1080 TV lines of moving picture resolution, 600Hz Sub-field Drive and like all Panasonic 2010 VIERA HDTVs, contains no lead or mercury and has a long panel life - up to 100,000 hours before achieving half brightness. S2 Series The VIERA S2 series introduces two larger screen sizes to the Panasonic family of Plasma HDTVs, a 58-inch class model (58" measured diagonally) - TC-P58S2 and a 65-inch class model (64.8" measured diagonally) -TC-P65S2. The S2 series is completed with the introduction of four additional screen sizes - the TC-P54S2, a 54-inch class HDTV (54" measured diagonally), TC-P50S2, a 50-inch class HDTV (49.9" measured diagonally), TC-P46S2, a 46-inch class HDTV (46" measured diagonally) and the TC-P42S2, a 42-inch class HDTV (41.6" measured diagonally). Key features of the S2 series include 1080 TV lines of moving picture resolution, which eliminate traditional HDTV motion blur. The S2 series also includes VIERA Link and the VIERA Image Viewer. Other features include 1080p Full HD resolution, 2,000,000:1 native contrast, 600Hz Sub-field Drive and an anti-reflective filter. The S2 series contains no lead or mercury in the panel and the TVs have a lifespan of 100,000 hours. The S2 series feature Clean Touch bezel,*designed to keep the TV bezel looking its best with less fingerprints. * except for 58 and 65 inch class. U2 Series Panasonic's VIERA U2 series will be available in two screen sizes - the TC-P50U2, a 50-inch class HDTV (49.9" measured diagonally) and the TC-P42U2, a 42-inch class HDTV (41.6" measured diagonally). The U2 line of VIERA Plasma HDTVs feature 600 Hz Sub-field Drive, VIERA Image Viewer to watch digital still JPEG images, three HDMI connections, VIERA Link and 1080p Full HD resolution. The panels are lead and mercury free and are rated up to 100,000 hours, at which time they will achieve half brightness. C2 Series While Panasonic's focus in 2010 continues to be on High Definition 1080p HDTVs, the C2 series presents a line of 720- Plasma HDTVs which help Panasonic deliver on its promise to satisfy consumer demands for differing HDTV resolution options. The TC-P50C2, a 50-inch class HDTV (49.9" measured diagonally), TC-P46C2, a 46-inch class HDTV (46" measured diagonally) and the TC-P42C2, a 42-inch HDTV (41.6" measured diagonally) offer spectacular picture performance with a 600Hz Sub-field Drive that delivers razor-sharp resolution, VIERA Image Viewer for viewing and sharing digital photos with friends and family, music slideshow functionality, and VIERA Link. Like the other members of the 2010 Panasonic VIERA HDTV line the C2 series contains no lead or mercury in the panel and the TVs have a lifespan of 100,000 hours. S2 series likely will replace our current famous PS10K Plasma just don't Panasonic Malaysia will remove any function from US/UK model or not? This post has been edited by low98944: Jan 7 2010, 05:26 PM |
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I rather wait for the REAL 3D...
where it's almost or rather like Virtual Reality Imagine yourself inside the movie instead of still looking from the outside... |
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its highly possible M'sian model is a trimmed down model compared to UK or US or other '1st world' country. current lineup is the evidence.
seems there's no longer any HD ready tv's in the 2010 lineup...which is good thing..stops questions of HD ready vs FHD panels... but only the VT25 series comes equipped with 3D tech...others no 3D...V series are premium series...now itself cost RM25k...with 3D might cost a jet fighter engine G is targeted for hardcore elites...S is more likely to sell better...U & C series replaces X & C series, which are entry level models... |
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Cheapest to get big screen 3d is optoma HD66 projector. There is 2 types of 3D display, one is using polarizing glass and another is LCD-shutter glass.
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QUOTE(moomoos @ Jan 7 2010, 04:59 PM) i thought the next gen of 3D cinemas, LCD and bluray players dont need to wear glasses already, just with our naked eyes that must be next next gen Virtual reality already.. if no need specs to see 3D.. |
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Okay, let's start with a 3D primer.
1) The codec to be used is MVC - Multiview Video Codec. It's a variant of H.264. Left eye video is encoded first and then the right eye video is compared to the left eye. The difference between the two is the differential data. The final data for that frame = Left Eye + Differential Data. That's why it's possible to deliver high quality digital 3D data, due to the processing speed of the decoder and other related equipment. The fact that the Cell can already decode 3 simultaneous H.264 1080p stream is what makes the PS3 capable of handling 3D BD. And because DVB-S2 uses H.264 for its HD signals means that Astro in the future can enable 3D HD. 3D HD is true HD full color format. It is not an anaglyph format! 2) 3D HD is format agnostic. That means it's not tied to any one TV manufacturer or 3D technology. Once decoded, it can work on ANY 3D HD TV or projector. 3) 3D HD being delivered is 1080p for BD. No word yet on how it will be for satellite/cable. It is NOT standard definition. 4) There are many types of 3D HDTV/projector that are being developed. The one's that is coming out soon by Panasonic, Sony and Samsung is the active shutter glasses. The active LCD glasses works by shutting one lens then shutting the other in rapid succession; this works because the TV will transmit the sync data needed. The passive glasses works similar to the RealD and Dolby 3D digital cinema systems. The video is transmitted rapidly and using special polarized lens, the 3D effect is achieved. No word if anybody coming out with 3D HDTVs this way. In the movies, digital 3D is achieved using 3-chip DLP projectors. Finally, 3D with no glasses. This is achieved using special coatings on the screen and rapid video switch by the TV. The only drawback so far is that it doesn't deliver as crisp a video as the two above methods. Another method uses single-user active head tracking. It tracks your head and layers the video according to the position of the viewer. Then there's the multi-user active head tracking, similar like the above but more complicated. fuad |
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I prefer LCD shutterglass as polarize glass still give me some color bleed. Just watch avatar 3d and I feel that the color is not so vibrant. The solution now for 3D gaming is Nvidia 3D vision for LCD shutterglass (with 120hz display) and iZ3D 22" LCD monitor for polarize glass (anyone have a unit?)
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CES 2010: 3D TVs on sale in UK by April
Watching World Cup in 3D and guess what LG is the first manufacturer to release this tech. SOS |
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QUOTE(moomoos @ Jan 7 2010, 04:59 PM) i thought the next gen of 3D cinemas, LCD and bluray players dont need to wear glasses already, just with our naked eyes I'm also thought it is work like what you said...... if want to wear glasses, it really makes no, our existing LCD and bluray players oso can oledi, just like hanna montana, jonas brothers BD, correct.... thats y now they produce new LCD ( maybe they have different "screen" layers and 3D bluray players/disc ) to display it in 3D effect for us to view w/o glasses, next gen disc will potray 2 sided data side A (3D) side B (2D) |
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even you tube is doing 3D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RFuRY7azgA&feature=related notice the option under the player for "3d style" |
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QUOTE(TVSPY @ Jan 7 2010, 10:03 PM) even you tube is doing 3D I used my "My Bloody Valentine" 3D Glasses to watch those movie looks kewl.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RFuRY7azgA&feature=related notice the option under the player for "3d style" Hope more horror BD might come with 3D some days http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJYB71yFseM&feature=channel |
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sorry for a noob question..
but where can i buy the 3d glasses? i meant the normal blue/red ones...? anyhow, i dont mind to buy a polarized 3d glasses like the one we used to watch avatar at the cinemas.. plz let me know yea? thxz.. |
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QUOTE(odengerrard @ Mar 10 2010, 09:59 AM) sorry for a noob question.. I bought 4 pairs of good quality plastic frame red/blue 3D glasses from Amazon.com recently, $7.50 eachbut where can i buy the 3d glasses? i meant the normal blue/red ones...? anyhow, i dont mind to buy a polarized 3d glasses like the one we used to watch avatar at the cinemas.. plz let me know yea? thxz.. Like this http://www.amazon.com/3D-Glasses-Movies-Ga.../dp/B0035DRTJO/ It works with all red/blue anaglyph 3D movies and also NVIDIA 3D Vision Discovery for PC games. But I only opened two of them to use, the other two still never open, just keeping for spare. You can PM me if you are interested to buy from me |
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QUOTE(Bart-man @ Mar 10 2010, 04:01 PM) I bought 4 pairs of good quality plastic frame red/blue 3D glasses from Amazon.com recently, $7.50 each Already pm u. Like this http://www.amazon.com/3D-Glasses-Movies-Ga.../dp/B0035DRTJO/ It works with all red/blue anaglyph 3D movies and also NVIDIA 3D Vision Discovery for PC games. But I only opened two of them to use, the other two still never open, just keeping for spare. You can PM me if you are interested to buy from me Added on March 10, 2010, 6:28 pmI see in news show sony lunch their 3D tv. But still we need 3D glasses. So no point to buy that one unless we can see 3D without glasses. I think current HDTV also can support 3D if view with glasses. This post has been edited by minimize: Mar 10 2010, 06:28 PM |
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QUOTE(minimize @ Mar 10 2010, 06:21 PM) Already pm u. The technology for viewing 3D without glasses is still very young, and very expensive to produce. It has it sets of drawbacks too, like you have to be in the middle of the screen, etc. You wont be seeing that technology soon yet.Added on March 10, 2010, 6:28 pmI see in news show sony lunch their 3D tv. But still we need 3D glasses. So no point to buy that one unless we can see 3D without glasses. I think current HDTV also can support 3D if view with glasses. The ones that will be coming out soon will be with 3D glasses. I've tried it before and it seems pretty good, but be prepared to spend a sum on it =D. You'll need the 3D TV, the glasses, and the bluray player. Also depends on content, but the potential is there. Its the beginning of a new stage in TV entertainment, but whether it catches up or not remains to be seen. But from what I see, i definately could get use to it =D. |
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TriDef + DIY specs = 3D effects~
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What is the cheapest 3D TV now in the market?
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QUOTE(minimize @ Jul 27 2010, 08:03 PM) There is software and hardware implementation I think. Having 3D TV is essentially using hardware while a few PC games can already do 3D using normal monitors with software. Of course hardware implementation is better but think TECHNICALLY the answer is no. But the TV makers are not gonna tell you that.Both implementation need glasses. There is passive ie the red and blue glass and active ie shutter glass. Active ones are those that need electricity and review is that they are better cause passive basically is showing you half the brightness at half the frame rate. And Nintendo 3DS is already 3D without glasses. so no need to wait till 2012 end of the world I don't intend to get a 3D TV soon. Jaws was in 3D also like 20 years back and what happened after that? Until they can get glassless implementation with good viewing angle I think it will be at best a niche if not a fad. BTW 3D is bad for eyes and people with health problems like dizziness, and especially bad for young children... for now |
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Wait till 3D tv without glasses in few years time, more practical.
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I was planning on going 3D as well but then decided against it due to the limited titles available and the high premium on 3D televisions and the titles.
MVA is bundled in a starter kit which is over RM900+. If you want the title alone, prepare to pay more than USD$60-70 on ebay. Coraline 3D and Ice Age 3 3D is bundled again and you need to buy a panasonic tv to obtain it. Ebay has it for USD$150 each or so if you can get it for that cheap. The only affordable title is CWACOM and that's about USD$29. So not a good idea to get into it now. The retail versions of the bundled titles should be out in 6-12 months. Going to wait till 2011/2012 for some standardization. Then we'll see. Right now, only the rich can buy it for fun and experimentation. This post has been edited by refnulf: Jul 28 2010, 07:20 PM |
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Last time I remember around year 2000, TV3 showed Jaws 3D and only need to buy the red & green paper spec no need 3D tv oso. Same rite?
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QUOTE(zoolf @ Aug 12 2010, 04:21 PM) Last time I remember around year 2000, TV3 showed Jaws 3D and only need to buy the red & green paper spec no need 3D tv oso. Same rite? Red/blue is a anaglyph glasses and it's old skool 3D. I got headache when watch anaglyph movie.Right now many film industry using stereoscopic 3D (S3D) which is require 3D active shutter glasses. BTW, from what i know, stereoscopic 3D movie cannot be watch with anaglyph glasses. |
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QUOTE(minimize @ Aug 13 2010, 02:55 PM) Red/blue is a anaglyph glasses and it's old skool 3D. I got headache when watch anaglyph movie. Ooo I see... Thanks Right now many film industry using stereoscopic 3D (S3D) which is require 3D active shutter glasses. BTW, from what i know, stereoscopic 3D movie cannot be watch with anaglyph glasses. QUOTE(Ziehl-Abegg @ Aug 16 2010, 09:00 AM) Hmmm... nyam... nyam... |
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[/QUOTE]Hong Kong film-makers aim to be first in 3D porn
By Peter Brieger (AFP) – 1 day ago HONG KONG — Hong Kong director Christopher Sun arranges toy action models in front of a massive penis-shaped fountain, the easiest way to explain his intentions to the multilingual cast of what has been billed as the world's first 3D porn film. "I can't ask my crew to do this and the best thing is you can get (the action models) naked without any complaints," he told AFP at a secluded studio in Hong Kong. The director is in a race against time to complete his 3.2 million-US-dollar film "3-D Sex and Zen: Extreme Ecstasy", which is due for release in May. here This post has been edited by ycs: Aug 16 2010, 09:45 AM |
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QUOTE(ycs @ Aug 16 2010, 09:44 AM) Hong Kong film-makers aim to be first in 3D porn 3D porn? By Peter Brieger (AFP) – 1 day ago HONG KONG — Hong Kong director Christopher Sun arranges toy action models in front of a massive penis-shaped fountain, the easiest way to explain his intentions to the multilingual cast of what has been billed as the world's first 3D porn film. "I can't ask my crew to do this and the best thing is you can get (the action models) naked without any complaints," he told AFP at a secluded studio in Hong Kong. The director is in a race against time to complete his 3.2 million-US-dollar film "3-D Sex and Zen: Extreme Ecstasy", which is due for release in May. This post has been edited by minimize: Aug 18 2010, 03:20 PM |
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QUOTE(Lil Kiasu @ Aug 19 2010, 06:54 PM) Stereoscopic Player is more troublesome to configure imo... I just install TriDef and get to experience 3D straight away without any tweaking~ Maybe red/blue glasses is TriDef default setting. With Stereoscopic Player you can set whether you want used anaglyph red/blue or green/magenta glasses. |
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Adjust the depth? sound great.
Actually i'm not interested with anaglyph movie anymore. S3D movie is to far great compare with anaglyph in a PQ perspective. |
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Wait for few more years (some source said within 15 years
Their called the new type of TV as Ultra HDTV or Super Hi-Vision with 4320p [7,680 × 4,320 pixels (16:9) (approximately 33.2 megapixels)] Forget about current 3D TV with 1080p. Their will also replace by this new TV standard. Cabut... |
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QUOTE(low98944 @ Aug 23 2010, 02:14 PM) Wait for few more years (some source said within 15 years Ultra HD already in trial for consumer in Japan. Their called the new type of TV as Ultra HDTV or Super Hi-Vision with 4320p [7,680 × 4,320 pixels (16:9) (approximately 33.2 megapixels)] ...... Forget about current 3D TV with 1080p. Their will also replace by this new TV standard. Cabut... One of LYN member are involved in testing of this technology at Japan. |
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Well.. toshiba just recently announce to sell their latest 3d technology.. without 3d glasses... Planning to release it end of this year..
Hmm.. interesting concept, is samsung, sony and pana gambled on the wrong technology.. Guess have to wait till end of this year... From "http://www.nj.com/business/index.ssf/2010/08/toshiba_sets_it_visionary_sigh.html" |
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QUOTE(azsace @ Aug 25 2010, 10:00 PM) Well.. toshiba just recently announce to sell their latest 3d technology.. without 3d glasses... Planning to release it end of this year.. I already experience 3D TV without glasses at LYP. The PQ is worst but I can see a depth in that picture.Hmm.. interesting concept, is samsung, sony and pana gambled on the wrong technology.. Guess have to wait till end of this year... From "http://www.nj.com/business/index.ssf/2010/08/toshiba_sets_it_visionary_sigh.html" With glasses, picture/image project from TV is like in front of your eyes. |
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QUOTE(minimize @ Aug 26 2010, 01:53 PM) I already experience 3D TV without glasses at LYP. The PQ is worst but I can see a depth in that picture. Hmmm.. like that ka... well.. since my experience is only on nvidia 3d vision, i got to say. with glasses.. any angle u see the images still in 3d... n yep using the glasses feel like the image object is just in front of me... With glasses, picture/image project from TV is like in front of your eyes. But to me with glasses, its a bit hassle la, since me have only one glasses, other people can't join.. so me like syok sendiri je... So,,, perhaps no glasses 3d, will make 3d industry to pick up... hmmmm |
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Actually how the output for 3D TV without glasses for consumer is still ambiguous.
Maybe it is still like I see before, but has to use optional glasses for more stunning 3D experience |
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![]() From HDGuru: QUOTE (September 21, 2010) Universal City, Ca.- At the 3rd Annual 3D Entertainment Summit, a two day conference of key 3D industry players that ended last week, Josh Greer President and Co-founder of 3D technology company RealD revealed potentially game-changing information about his company’s new 3D home display technology. During the “The Future Drivers in the 3D Ecosystem” panel Greer announced that ReadD technology licensees will be able to offer the first “Full HD” passive 3D HDTVs in 2011, allowing the use of inexpensive, lightweight glasses (like the one you’re provided when visiting a 3D movie theater). The RealD system uses patented ZScreen technology, an electro-optical system built into the front of a flat panel that very rapidly changes the light from clockwise circular polarization to counterclockwise and back again. The RealD circular polarized passive glasses act like shutters, permitting the left image to go to the left eye by making the right eye black out, during which time the right eye shows the right eye view while blacking out the left eye. Images are displayed sequentially on the flat panel, just like the current 3D TVs. The major advantages of passive 3D eyewear are: very light weight, no battery to recharge or replace and low cost (from less than one dollar apiece). Eliminating the need for an infra-red sync emitter within or attached to the TV has a major benefit: no longer will the 3D effect be lost if the beam is blocked by someone walking in front of the set or if a viewer turns his or her head away from the emitter. For the full story, click here. We don't have RealD installation in Malaysian cinemas primarily because the screen has to be changed to a silver screen. GSC and TGV don't feel they need to invest in 3D fully. So they use Dolby 3D instead because the Infitec technology does not necessitate the change of screens. However if their screen is not optimized, the 3D movie will look dark. I prefer the RealD system which uses circular polarization of the glasses and the Z-screen. The same circular polarization is used for LG's CF3D projector (RM60,000) for home theaters. The projector is getting good reviews. Incidentally those of you who have AXN HD and happen to catch the Sony Style TV show, the latest episode shows the amount of work that has to get done for 3D movies. It's very interesting how 3D adds two more technicians in the crew. From the set to post, the 3D is being evaluated using circular polarized glasses. On the set, the 3D monitors used are JVC professional monitors using Xpol micro-polarizers; Hyundai/Arisawa is already making Xpol 3D LCDs for computer monitors. The Xpol tech divides the vertical resolution in half - from 1080 to 540) to deliver the alternating 3D pixels to the left and right eye. For post, the technicians are using digital projectors with RealD's Z-screen to get the full 4K resolution. fuad This post has been edited by writesimply: Sep 22 2010, 12:19 PM |
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QUOTE(writesimply @ Sep 22 2010, 12:11 PM) ..... Yes i agree.. Watching 3D movie in malaysia cinema is just like watching 2D movie. Just like watch fake 3D.We don't have RealD installation in Malaysian cinemas primarily because the screen has to be changed to a silver screen. GSC and TGV don't feel they need to invest in 3D fully. So they use Dolby 3D instead because the Infitec technology does not necessitate the change of screens. However if their screen is not optimized, the 3D movie will look dark. ... Just animation movie look better in 3D. |
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From Optoma Europe:
QUOTE Amazing, fully immersive. life-size 3D projection is now possible in the home. The world’s first 3D projector adapter, the Optoma 3D-XL adapts existing DLP® projectors enabling them to display 3D. What the 3D-XL adapter does is enable 3D-ready 720p Optoma projectors to be used with active-glasses IR systems. It has a connector for an IR transmitter. It will cost USD399 when it is released on January 2010 according to Big Picture Big Sound.Compatible with 3D broadcast signals such as Sky 3D in the UK; 3D Blu-ray players and 3D games from the Sony® PS3 the 3D-XL simply connects between a 3D source and a DLP projector. The huge, greater than 100”, 3D projected images in the home provide a fantastically immersive experience that is just not possible with the small screen of a 3D TV and amazingly the total cost of this jaw-dropping 3D experience is a fraction of the cost of 3D TV’s! The 3D-XL is ideal for use with the Optoma HD67 projector for the home but can also be used with any of the 14 compatible models in the Optoma range. This makes the 3D-XL, when paired with one of the Optoma Professional AV projector models, an ideal solution for large screen Sky 3D viewing in pubs or bars. Inputs: 2x HDMI 1.4a (HDCP) - audio supported Outputs: 1x HDMI 1.3 (HDCP) - audio supported, 3-PIN mini DIN (VESA Sync) Control: 9-pin RS232 3D Compatibility Side-by-Side:1080i50, 1080i60 Frame-pack:1080p24, 720p50, 720p60 Over-Under: 1080p24, 720p50, 720p60 Another feature of the adapter is that it can separate the L-R video signals to individual L and R video signals. This will enable users to use passive 3D system instead of active-shutter system. To do this, you need to split the 3D signal into two using a HDMI splitter. Then two 1080p 3D signals goes into TWO 3D-XL adapters. Using a MANUAL switch at the back of each adapter, the signal from each adapter will be dedicated to either L image or R signal. The 1080p L/R signal will then be fed into TWO 1080p projectors that MUST HAVE a polarizer over their lenses. The separated L/R signals are projected to a silver screen and by using passive 3D glasses, users can experience 3D HD. The important thing to note about using this passive 3D approach (HDMI spliter, 2 adapters, 2 projectors and 2 polarizers) is that users can USE ANY 1080p PROJECTOR as the light engine. One HDMI splitter = RM200. Two 3D-XL adapters = RM2500. Two PT-AE 4000 projector =RM16,000. Two polarizers = RM200. Total = RM18,900. While it is not a plug-n-play solution (careful video calibration is needed), the cheapest passive 3D system available now costs RM60,000 (LG CF3D). So depending on the projector you choose, you can go as low as RM8900 (2 Optoma HD20s for RM6,200) for a passive 3D system or as high as RM18,900. fuad This post has been edited by writesimply: Sep 28 2010, 03:56 PM |
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QUOTE(writesimply @ Sep 28 2010, 03:51 PM) From Optoma Europe: How about cost for silver screen?What the 3D-XL adapter does is enable 3D-ready 720p Optoma projectors to be used with active-glasses IR systems. It has a connector for an IR transmitter. It will cost USD399 when it is released on January 2010 according to Big Picture Big Sound. Another feature of the adapter is that it can separate the L-R video signals to individual L and R video signals. This will enable users to use passive 3D system instead of active-shutter system. To do this, you need to split the 3D signal into two using a HDMI splitter. Then two 1080p 3D signals goes into TWO 3D-XL adapters. Using a MANUAL switch at the back of each adapter, the signal from each adapter will be dedicated to either L image or R signal. The 1080p L/R signal will then be fed into TWO 1080p projectors that MUST HAVE a polarizer over their lenses. The separated L/R signals are projected to a silver screen and by using passive 3D glasses, users can experience 3D HD. The important thing to note about using this passive 3D approach (HDMI spliter, 2 adapters, 2 projectors and 2 polarizers) is that users can USE ANY 1080p PROJECTOR as the light engine. One HDMI splitter = RM200. Two 3D-XL adapters = RM2500. Two PT-AE 4000 projector =RM16,000. Two polarizers = RM200. Total = RM18,900. While it is not a plug-n-play solution (careful video calibration is needed), the cheapest passive 3D system available now costs RM60,000 (LG CF3D). So depending on the projector you choose, you can go as low as RM8900 (2 Optoma HD20s for RM6,200) for a passive 3D system or as high as RM18,900. fuad |
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Added on September 30, 2010, 6:04 am ![]() ![]() Here are the images for the Optoma 3D-XL 3D processor. QUOTE(minimize @ Sep 29 2010, 07:14 PM) That's probably under RM2000 if you DIY it, based on a user who experimented his own DIY silver screen using the LG CF3D. The 3D-projection-on-the-cheap system definitely need a user who knows what s/he is getting into. Unlike the LG CF3D or the active shutter systems by JVC/Sony, you need to turn off one of the projectors and possibly enable economy mode when you are watching 2D sources. The silver screen would be too bright to play 2D movies.But for about RM10,000 getting a 3D projection system that can go 100" minimum is an incredible feat of DIY. Imagine watching Tron 3D on BD next year and then playing Killzone 3-3D at home. fuad This post has been edited by writesimply: Sep 30 2010, 06:05 AM |
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imo it still to soon to have 3D tv,besides the high price.. as far as i know..there arent a lot movies or shows produced for 3d experience available for the time being..currently my plasma still gv me pleasure watching wonderful visual bluray movies..perhaps 3 or 4 years later la 3Dtv is buy-able.
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QUOTE(hans7474 @ Oct 28 2010, 03:45 AM) imo it still to soon to have 3D tv,besides the high price.. as far as i know..there arent a lot movies or shows produced for 3d experience available for the time being..currently my plasma still gv me pleasure watching wonderful visual bluray movies..perhaps 3 or 4 years later la 3Dtv is buy-able. This year, many movies already shoot in 3D and all animation movie right now also came with 3D.Next year I think we'all have a lot of choice for 3D bluray movies. |
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Ermmm, I know tht those 3D glasses are costly , but can't they do away that and make it a new technology?
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QUOTE(Chuckiekey @ Oct 29 2010, 03:39 PM) Ermmm, I know tht those 3D glasses are costly , but can't they do away that and make it a new technology? Like what? Bionic eyes? Every product you see in the market have been invented and then vetted through the cost of production and marketing. Don't simply suggest people invent a "new technology" when you can't even begun thinking what it could be.fuad |
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QUOTE(writesimply @ Oct 30 2010, 03:33 AM) Like what? Bionic eyes? Every product you see in the market have been invented and then vetted through the cost of production and marketing. Don't simply suggest people invent a "new technology" when you can't even begun thinking what it could be. didn't there's news about toshiba that made 3d tv without the glasses?fuad |
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QUOTE(paskal @ Oct 30 2010, 07:35 AM) I wonder how they are going to do it?Add a few layer of glass apart and make the TV thick like a CRT...or something else Anyway, the active shutter glasses does appear OK to wear at first, but after 10 min...I get a massive headache, more pain than those old skool red and blue filters. |
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QUOTE(azbro @ Oct 30 2010, 09:24 AM) I wonder how they are going to do it? welcome to the club ha haAdd a few layer of glass apart and make the TV thick like a CRT...or something else Anyway, the active shutter glasses does appear OK to wear at first, but after 10 min...I get a massive headache, more pain than those old skool red and blue filters. i've read a before this that 30% of the population will get headache watching them |
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QUOTE(azbro @ Oct 30 2010, 09:24 AM) ...... I think it depend on brand. I already test panasonic and samsung and watch it around 10 minute. I can see a flicker on panasonic 3D glasses and that will make headache, but samsung is great because i don't notice flicker at all.Anyway, the active shutter glasses does appear OK to wear at first, but after 10 min...I get a massive headache, more pain than those old skool red and blue filters. |
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QUOTE(minimize @ Oct 30 2010, 11:10 AM) I think it depend on brand. I already test panasonic and samsung and watch it around 10 minute. I can see a flicker on panasonic 3D glasses and that will make headache, but samsung is great because i don't notice flicker at all. Flicker may de due to out of sync with the TV RF.....I am planning to do a bulk on 3D Active Shutter Glass for Samsung TV and also for 3D Active Shutter Glass for PC which support 120Hz 3d LCD monitor. Anyone interested can just pm me. If there is demand, i will start a bulk purchase. |
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QUOTE(minimize @ Oct 30 2010, 11:10 AM) I think it depend on brand. I already test panasonic and samsung and watch it around 10 minute. I can see a flicker on panasonic 3D glasses and that will make headache, but samsung is great because i don't notice flicker at all. Yes, the one that gave me a massive headache was Panny glasses..didn't tried the Samsung one though...cos' there was no Sammy 3D booth at that time.This post has been edited by azbro: Oct 30 2010, 03:18 PM |
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QUOTE(writesimply @ Oct 30 2010, 02:36 PM) Yes there is. It'll be launched in December. Price is around RM9000. The size is 20". Yes, it's meant for the rich who have no use for money. wow that high aa the price. hv to wait a little longer to get price reduce. now hv to stick with my 42" Plasma one. fuad |
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QUOTE(azbro @ Oct 30 2010, 03:16 PM) Yes, the one that gave me a massive headache was Panny glasses..didn't tried the Samsung one though...cos' there was no Sammy 3D booth at that time. You can test Samsung 3D glass at Best Denki KLCC. Added on October 30, 2010, 8:17 pm QUOTE(hdwarexpert @ Oct 30 2010, 11:14 AM) Flicker may de due to out of sync with the TV RF..... Just for samsung 3D TV? Better bulk for universal 3D glass.I am planning to do a bulk on 3D Active Shutter Glass for Samsung TV and also for 3D Active Shutter Glass for PC which support 120Hz 3d LCD monitor. Anyone interested can just pm me. If there is demand, i will start a bulk purchase. This post has been edited by minimize: Oct 30 2010, 08:17 PM |
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QUOTE(writesimply @ Oct 30 2010, 03:33 AM) Like what? Bionic eyes? Every product you see in the market have been invented and then vetted through the cost of production and marketing. Don't simply suggest people invent a "new technology" when you can't even begun thinking what it could be. There must be something they can do in the future to ditch the glasses. Mirosoft receive 1.7 million ideas from their user, I dun see why can't I make even the stupidest idea. If no one thinks of new idea, u wont even have internet.fuad This post has been edited by Chuckiekey: Nov 3 2010, 02:51 PM |
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QUOTE(Chuckiekey @ Nov 3 2010, 02:46 PM) Of course there are a few ideas being tossed around. But that is not the point.The point is that YOU didn't even put an idea forward and instead demanded that somebody else come up with one. So lets hear your great idea on how to make a glassless 3D system work. fuad |
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XpandD is the World’s First Universal 3D Glasses already sell at amazon just for USD108 (very cheap compare to other branded 3D glasses). This glasses will be compatible with most computer monitors and 3D TVs, as well as all cinemas currently using XpanD's technology. Very interesting huh.
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QUOTE(minimize @ Nov 3 2010, 11:09 PM) It's useful if you have multiple 3D projectors, HDTVs and monitors of different brands. Or if you just like to watch 3D content at stores all the time. Other than that, not very useful.Meanwhile, Philips is launching the 3D version of its 2.35 HDTVs. That actually makes more sense than standard HDTVs since the screen is bigger, which means it will be more immersive. Hopefully the graphics processor that handles the upconversion is up to the task for 3D decoding. fuad |
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QUOTE(writesimply @ Nov 4 2010, 02:16 PM) It's useful if you have multiple 3D projectors, HDTVs and monitors of different brands. Or if you just like to watch 3D content at stores all the time. Other than that, not very useful. I mean it interesting in term of price and compatibility. Meanwhile, Philips is launching the 3D version of its 2.35 HDTVs. That actually makes more sense than standard HDTVs since the screen is bigger, which means it will be more immersive. Hopefully the graphics processor that handles the upconversion is up to the task for 3D decoding. fuad |
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QUOTE(minimize @ Nov 3 2010, 11:09 PM) ![]() Tell you what why dont we go high tech in high fashion ![]() This one by Calvin Klein Source: http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/05/calvin-...ool-new-shades/ ![]() This one from Gucci Source: http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/31/guccis-...25-fashion-tag/ ![]() This one from Oakley Source: http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/28/oakleys...s-and-tron-leg/ And yes they are 3D Glasses |
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QUOTE(chokia @ Nov 6 2010, 06:14 PM) Hiyo like uncle la so ugly Why need fashion because we just use this at home. Fashion came with price bro. Tell you what why dont we go high tech in high fashion ..... |
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No the CK one you can use it outdoor like normal sunglasses and it costs USD180 available in December 2010
And we can watch Tron 3D in Cinema (not at home) this december 17 ![]() Just tell the cinema staff, "Sorry i dont wear public 3d glasses causing allergy problem, you can keep yours, mine made by CK" |
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QUOTE(chokia @ Nov 6 2010, 11:30 PM) No the CK one you can use it outdoor like normal sunglasses and it costs USD180 available in December 2010 Only if you're watching 3D movies in the US, UK, Canada, some European countries and Indonesia.And we can watch Tron 3D in Cinema (not at home) this december 17 Just tell the cinema staff, "Sorry i dont wear public 3d glasses causing allergy problem, you can keep yours, mine made by CK" The glasses you mentioned work with RealD 3D only, which is a circular polarized 3D system. The ones we have in Malaysia are Dolby 3D Digital, which uses color frequency interference system. fuad This post has been edited by writesimply: Nov 7 2010, 01:48 PM |
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QUOTE(chokia @ Nov 6 2010, 11:30 PM) No the CK one you can use it outdoor like normal sunglasses and it costs USD180 available in December 2010 Hahaha is it a joke or facts. The fact is malaysian cinema did't using active glass at all. All 3D movie using Dolby 3D passive glass. And we can watch Tron 3D in Cinema (not at home) this december 17 ![]() Just tell the cinema staff, "Sorry i dont wear public 3d glasses causing allergy problem, you can keep yours, mine made by CK" If you said like that to cinema staff than they will laugh at you. |
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I am kinda question/puzzled. Why cant they make the TV/cinema screen wear glass for us, instead of we wear it.
3DTV<--(Glass on)Our eyes 3DTV(wear Glass)<--- our eyes. As far as my understanding, it is the SAME THING. |
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QUOTE(minimize @ Nov 7 2010, 01:48 PM) Hahaha is it a joke or facts. The fact is malaysian cinema did't using active glass at all. All 3D movie using Dolby 3D passive glass. Of coz it was a joke. but use it as normal sunglasses outdoor is not If you said like that to cinema staff than they will laugh at you. Tell me if you have 3Dtv at home the CK glass doesnt work? Or still need to use your uncle Dolby 3D passive glass? |
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QUOTE(chokia @ Nov 7 2010, 10:04 PM) Of coz it was a joke. but use it as normal sunglasses outdoor is not I don't understand what your question actually. But for you info, current 3DTV only can be view with active glass to get 3D effect and basically it using stereoscopic technique. Passive glass like anaglyph glass or polarize glass cannot be use with it.Tell me if you have 3Dtv at home the CK glass doesnt work? Or still need to use your uncle Dolby 3D passive glass? |
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QUOTE(Boldnut @ Nov 7 2010, 07:25 PM) I am kinda question/puzzled. Why cant they make the TV/cinema screen wear glass for us, instead of we wear it. Physically, what you suggest can work. The problem is the cost. Instead of costing RM10-20,000 for the 3D HDTV, it's going to cost 1.5 to 2.0 times that for your approach. The reason is that now the HDTV has TWO LCD panels - one acts as the imager while the other as the circular/linear polarizer. The LCD polarizer must not only match the size of the imager, both panels must also work together to create the right L-R image for each eye.3DTV<--(Glass on)Our eyes 3DTV(wear Glass)<--- our eyes. As far as my understanding, it is the SAME THING. This approach is currently being explored by RealD Digital. They announced it at the last 3D Entertainment Summit where their Z-screen circular polarizer technology will be licensed to CE manufacturers. QUOTE(chokia @ Nov 7 2010, 10:04 PM) Tell me if you have 3Dtv at home the CK glass doesnt work? Or still need to use your uncle Dolby 3D passive glass? The CK glasses won't work at home and neither would the Dolby 3D ones as they are not active glasses. If you buy the LG CF3D 3D projector, you can use the CK glasses.fuad |
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Ok thank you for the info, lucky i havent place the order yet.
So if we have normal HDTV and PS3 and Avatar Extended 3D BluRay What else do we need to watch it in 3D? What type of glass? HDMI1.4 cable? I read somewhere it can be done without buying HD3DTV. |
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QUOTE(chokia @ Nov 8 2010, 08:48 AM) So if we have normal HDTV and PS3 and Avatar Extended 3D BluRay Regular HDTV + PS3 + 3D BD = 2D HD video. Right now, there is no 3D Extended Edition of Avatar. There's not even a 3D version of Avatar.QUOTE What else do we need to watch it in 3D? What type of glass? HDMI1.4 cable? Besides a 3D HDTV or projector? High speed HDMI cable from the player/receiver to the 3D HDTV/projector. QUOTE And how might that work?fuad |
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QUOTE(writesimply @ Nov 8 2010, 03:54 AM) Physically, what you suggest can work. The problem is the cost. Instead of costing RM10-20,000 for the 3D HDTV, it's going to cost 1.5 to 2.0 times that for your approach. The reason is that now the HDTV has TWO LCD panels - one acts as the imager while the other as the circular/linear polarizer. The LCD polarizer must not only match the size of the imager, both panels must also work together to create the right L-R image for each eye. Everything start at a cost first, the requirement to wear a glass to watch 3D turns down a lot of people that have common sense. (yes people who buy 3D TV have no common sense, no offence)This approach is currently being explored by RealD Digital. They announced it at the last 3D Entertainment Summit where their Z-screen circular polarizer technology will be licensed to CE manufacturers. It is basically a failure overprice product as long as it have physical limit such as wearing glass. This post has been edited by Boldnut: Nov 8 2010, 08:26 PM |
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QUOTE(Boldnut @ Nov 8 2010, 08:26 PM) Everything start at a cost first, You don't say.QUOTE the requirement to wear a glass to watch 3D turns down a lot of people that have common sense. (yes people who buy 3D TV have no common sense, no offence) Would you extend the lack of common sense to people who watch 3D in the cinema who wears 3D GLASSES?What exactly about wearing 3D glasses that creates this lack of sense? QUOTE It is basically a failure overprice product as long as it have physical limit such as wearing glass. 3D HDTVs is not a failure nor a failed product. It works as advertised, just as 3D films in the cinema works as advertised. The fact that you have to use 3D active glasses to experience 3D does not make it a failed product or an overpriced product. Your logic is flawed.fuad |
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QUOTE(writesimply @ Nov 8 2010, 12:01 PM) Regular HDTV + PS3 + 3D BD = 2D HD video. Right now, there is no 3D Extended Edition of Avatar. There's not even a 3D version of Avatar. So you are saying with Normal HDTV there is no way to watch in 3D?Besides a 3D HDTV or projector? High speed HDMI cable from the player/receiver to the 3D HDTV/projector. And how might that work? fuad Anyway i watched Avatar 3D and Avatar Extended 3D in 3D cinema few months ago, how come there BD version not available yet? |
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QUOTE(chokia @ Nov 9 2010, 12:29 AM) So you are saying with Normal HDTV there is no way to watch in 3D? There is no way to watch color-correct 3D.QUOTE Anyway i watched Avatar 3D and Avatar Extended 3D in 3D cinema few months ago, how come there BD version not available yet? 20th Century Fox wants to wait until more 3D HDTVs and 3D BD players are being used by consumers.fuad |
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QUOTE(chokia @ Nov 9 2010, 12:29 AM) So you are saying with Normal HDTV there is no way to watch in 3D? Watch 3D in our cinema is just watch fake 3D. If some scene in the movie playing at a dark/night, I cannot see 3D effect at all.Anyway i watched Avatar 3D and Avatar Extended 3D in 3D cinema few months ago, how come there BD version not available yet? Like writesimply told before, our cinema need to use silver screen to make 3D effect more stunning. Maybe we'll have to boycott 3D movie in cinema until they do something about their screen. This post has been edited by minimize: Nov 9 2010, 08:24 PM |
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3D IN HOME WILL death sooner if the hardware price is not go down.This is main reason is still slow selling on 3D hardware in U.S.
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QUOTE(minimize @ Nov 9 2010, 08:21 PM) Watch 3D in our cinema is just watch fake 3D. If some scene in the movie playing at a dark/night, I cannot see 3D effect at all. You might wanna have your eyes looked at. Especially before Tron Legacy, since most of that film will be light and dark. It's not about the contrast between light and dark scenes. Each 3D installation has its own convergence setting. The projectionist can set it by himself but usually it's best not to meddle with it since it would have been calibrated beforehand. While I do notice the lack of depth is more prevalent in the morning show times than afternoons and evenings (the digital projector could be slow to warming up), each 3D film will ALWAYS have a sense of depth in any given scene. you just have to know where to look. In the case of Sammy's Adventures, it's everywhere! QUOTE Like writesimply told before, our cinema need to use silver screen to make 3D effect more stunning. You only use silver screen with RealD 3D systems. You don't need it with Dolby 3D Digital. RealD polarizes light for the left and right images; therefore it needs a silver screen that can maintain the polarization before it gets to your eyes. Dolby separates each RGB color into their own frequencies which is why it doesn't need a silver screen; in fact, a silver screen may make a Dolby installation look horrible. If our cinemas want to maintain the screen but increase the lumens, they need to install TWO Dolby 3D Digital projectors per hall. RealD installation has to balance between the projector and the silver screen to increase lumens but avoiding hot spots. ![]() Technicolor has also introduced their method of showing 3D but using regular 35mm. The hall MUST have a silver screen but not a digital projector. The 35mm frame is divided into left and right eye images, stacked on top of each other. Using a Technicolor special split lens - which polarizes the light for left and right images, the projector will be able to show 3D. Technicolor does not deem this as a 3D digital replacement but more like a buffer for cinema chains that already have silver screens but are on waiting lists for digital projectors or can't afford one. ![]() QUOTE Maybe we'll have to boycott 3D movie in cinema until they do something about their screen. I definitely think that upgrading the equipment would be advisable. Maybe the Technicolor solution would work well in Malaysia, seeing how cheap-skate theater chains are. QUOTE(adil-hazly @ Nov 13 2010, 04:34 PM) 3D IN HOME WILL death sooner if the hardware price is not go down.This is main reason is still slow selling on 3D hardware in U.S. At. Home. Die. Does. The. Why. It. Selling. Slowly. Delete. Delete. Delete.It's not selling well because Americans, who are still wary about the economy, are not ready to pay its premium price. If the price is high but they can still afford it, they'd buy it. That's why the retailers are cutting down prices like mad over there for Black Friday. Content is also lacking. But it is hoped that next year more content will come to homes in terms of 3D channels, 3D games (the potential is enormous) and non-exclusive 3D BDs. fuad |
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QUOTE(writesimply @ Nov 14 2010, 12:29 AM) You might wanna have your eyes looked at. Especially before Tron Legacy, since most of that film will be light and dark. For you info...It's not about the contrast between light and dark scenes. Each 3D installation has its own convergence setting. The projectionist can set it by himself but usually it's best not to meddle with it since it would have been calibrated beforehand. While I do notice the lack of depth is more prevalent in the morning show times than afternoons and evenings (the digital projector could be slow to warming up), each 3D film will ALWAYS have a sense of depth in any given scene. you just have to know where to look. In the case of Sammy's Adventures, it's everywhere! You only use silver screen with RealD 3D systems. You don't need it with Dolby 3D Digital. RealD polarizes light for the left and right images; therefore it needs a silver screen that can maintain the polarization before it gets to your eyes. Dolby separates each RGB color into their own frequencies which is why it doesn't need a silver screen; in fact, a silver screen may make a Dolby installation look horrible. If our cinemas want to maintain the screen but increase the lumens, they need to install TWO Dolby 3D Digital projectors per hall. RealD installation has to balance between the projector and the silver screen to increase lumens but avoiding hot spots. ![]() Technicolor has also introduced their method of showing 3D but using regular 35mm. The hall MUST have a silver screen but not a digital projector. The 35mm frame is divided into left and right eye images, stacked on top of each other. Using a Technicolor special split lens - which polarizes the light for left and right images, the projector will be able to show 3D. Technicolor does not deem this as a 3D digital replacement but more like a buffer for cinema chains that already have silver screens but are on waiting lists for digital projectors or can't afford one. ![]() I definitely think that upgrading the equipment would be advisable. Maybe the Technicolor solution would work well in Malaysia, seeing how cheap-skate theater chains are. At. Home. Die. Does. The. Why. It. Selling. Slowly. Delete. Delete. Delete. It's not selling well because Americans, who are still wary about the economy, are not ready to pay its premium price. If the price is high but they can still afford it, they'd buy it. That's why the retailers are cutting down prices like mad over there for Black Friday. Content is also lacking. But it is hoped that next year more content will come to homes in terms of 3D channels, 3D games (the potential is enormous) and non-exclusive 3D BDs. fuad 3D is already adopted long time history ago and has FAILED in marketing segment. Because consumer dont need such a "3D" content to be view at home. Invest a high money in owning 3D hardware is not reasonable at this moment. You go to AVscience forum.What are the AV expert say about this 3D thing? |
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QUOTE(adil-hazly @ Nov 14 2010, 07:53 AM) For you info... 3D TV was adopted "long time history ago and failed in marketing segment"? Really?3D is already adopted long time history ago and has FAILED in marketing segment. First, I need some clarification: When you say 3D, is it for home or cinema? How long was "long time history ago"? Which "marketing" segment? QUOTE Because consumer dont need such a "3D" content to be view at home. People don't need things they can live without. You can live without your cell phone, internet, car, TV, golf club, watch, iron and underwear. People want what they can afford to have. Similarly, people don't need to view Avatar on a 60" 1080p 3D LED screen, a 23" LCD monitor or even a 14" laptop. They can just watch it on an 8" black and white CRT TV. But it is not the same, is it? QUOTE Invest a high money in owning 3D hardware is not reasonable at this moment. I agree there. There's no point for average Malaysians to go buy 3D HDTVs since content is limited to 3D BDs and games. But if 3D BDs and games are what they're into and they can afford one, why not?QUOTE They like it. However, that is a rather silly thing to ask me to do since in ANY forum, there are opinions for or against any one thing. That's why it's called a FORUM, not a FANBOY SITE.By the way, I've been reading AVSF since before DVD was launched. fuad |
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Why 3D TV is just a pointless gimmick
According to the industry, 3D is the next big thing. TV manufacturers are chomping at the bit to sell us new monitors. Sky is planning a huge 3D blitz this year, including the launch of a dedicated 3D TV channel. Games are an obvious contender for the 3D treatment, thanks to the fact that they have all the data they need to produce an effective world already built in. Verily, the planet is on the cusp of an incredible 3D revolution and we should all be excited! But I'm not. To hell with 3D. If I could change one thing about the cinema-going experience – other than shooting bloody Pearl & Dean into the sun – it would be to watch every blockbuster in IMAX. That would be a genuine improvement. 3D is just another gimmick, right down there with Smell-O-Vision, electric shocks coming through the seat, vibrating cinema chairs and, of course, the last 17 times that the industry has tried to make 3D into the Next Big Thing. And we still don't need it. I've never, ever seen a 3D movie that so much as breathed softly on my socks, never mind blew them off. Realistically, the technology offers exactly two tricks of note. There's the annoying one, as demonstrated in Monsters vs Aliens, which opens with a guy batting a ball at the screen just to go, 'Ooooh! 3D in your face!' If I never see that trick again, it'll be too soon. The other one, which is largely pushing the 3D revolution, is all about adding depth to scenes. This trick can work, I'll admit, and it can also be effective. You definitely notice it – especially in a film such as Avatar – but, more importantly, you can actively not notice it and still get some benefit, which is what really matters. At least, in theory. Expensive headaches The problem is that, for all the potential benefits, 3D just seems to be Hollywood's most expensive way to give me a headache, even including the Bourne movies and the continued acting career of Shia LaBeouf. Yes, this is probably just a question of my rubbish eyes, all maggoty with astigmatism and myopia as they are, but I don't care. By the end of Avatar's seven-hour running time, my whole face felt as though someone had just opened the Ark of the Covenant over on the next row. My eyes oozed blood and gooey eyeball juice into my popcorn. Still, at least it stopped anyone else from stealing any. Even before that point, though, Avatar only gave me about five minutes of genuine 3D 'Oooh!' before the effect faded, as any effect inevitably does. From that point on, the glasses, the popping tricks and the background shimmer – in fact, all the pieces of technology that were meant to be immersing me in the action – served only as a constant lingering reminder that I wasn't in fact on a distant jungle planet with lots of sexy blue people, but in a cinema and in need of some aspirin. The trade-off simply wasn't worth it, especially when coupled with the dark tint that the obnoxious 3D glasses put over all the film's beautiful bright colours. Also, the film was a bit rubbish. Even watching great 3D movies, such as Pixar's Up, I've never been able to settle in and just enjoy the film or get completely lost in the action, not with every background shimmering away like a desert mirage and each character popping into the screen. I quite often lift up the glasses just to compare the two images and every time it's the same: any power that the 3D version of the film has ultimately comes from the 2D version being exquisitely made. I've never wanted for that extra half a dimension as much as I craved the brighter colours and a lack of intense eye-trauma after leaving the cinema. The industry wants 3D Of course, it's no wonder that the industry desperately wants 3D technology to be a big deal. Right now, it's the only real benefit cinemas can offer over home theatre systems, aside from ever-more obnoxious advertising and snot-smeared pick 'n' mix. Looking ahead, hardware companies see it as the next big reason to make us all upgrade our kit. And good for them. It's still not an upgrade I can see myself rushing out to make, or can imagine recommending anyone else to go and do likewise. When we finally get TVs that can add that illusion of depth without needing glasses, we'll have a genuine step forward. Until then, it's just a gimmick – an effect we'll all get accustomed to and subsequently bored of in a couple of weeks. If anything, the best thing for 3D would be for it to stay as popular as it is now – an occasional treat for people who like it, something that's to be savoured and allowed to maintain what power it has. Taking it mainstream can only ruin the effect in ways that my astigmatism and quick-drying contact lenses can only dream of – and you can bet that losing the magic won't come cheap. |
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QUOTE(writesimply @ Nov 14 2010, 12:29 AM) You might wanna have your eyes looked at. Especially before Tron Legacy, since most of that film will be light and dark. It's not about the contrast between light and dark scenes. Each 3D installation has its own convergence setting. The projectionist can set it by himself but usually it's best not to meddle with it since it would have been calibrated beforehand. While I do notice the lack of depth is more prevalent in the morning show times than afternoons and evenings (the digital projector could be slow to warming up), each 3D film will ALWAYS have a sense of depth in any given scene. you just have to know where to look. In the case of Sammy's Adventures, it's everywhere! Computer generated movies (animation film) have an advantage in 3D because all objects on the screen can be perfectly in focus 100% of the time. |
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whats the cheapest 3d tv in stores now? lol
cuz i tot ps3 3d can play on any tv..dam This post has been edited by UltramanToron: Nov 14 2010, 08:05 PM |
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QUOTE(adil-hazly @ Nov 14 2010, 02:49 PM) Why 3D TV is just a pointless gimmick Next time give credit where credit is due. We KNOW you didn't write that. At the very least learn how to apply links and [ Quote ] [ /Quote ] in your post before you attempt a cut 'n' paste job in the future.... Taking it mainstream can only ruin the effect in ways that my astigmatism and quick-drying contact lenses can only dream of – and you can bet that losing the magic won't come cheap. As for the actual article you DIDN'T quote, OF COURSE you can quote somebody who agrees completely with you. If you quote somebody who didn't, it wouldn't further your argument, would it? Regardless, if you don't believe that 3D will take off, then please don't piss on this thread. You do know that in the past, some people in AVSF believed that DVD could never replace Laserdisc or that HD-DVD would be the standard for HD video, right? RIGHT? Again, this is about 3D tech. Not about if you like or dislike 3D. Of course if you dislike 3D, then you wouldn't like to discuss 3D tech. QUOTE(minimize @ Nov 14 2010, 03:46 PM) Computer generated movies (animation film) have an advantage in 3D because all objects on the screen can be perfectly in focus 100% of the time. Actually that's not my point. And sounds like you didn't see THAT movie. Sammy's Adventure, while having a decent story, suffered from a bad case of stereography. The director of photography should have guided the audience into seeing what we should be concentrating on instead of having our eyes wander everywhere in the frame. That movie is the first 3D movie that gave me a buzz.QUOTE(UltramanToron @ Nov 14 2010, 07:19 PM) whats the cheapest 3d tv in stores now? lol Still somewhere around RM10,000 I believe.QUOTE Obviously, you thought wrong.If you live alone and you like to game in 3D, get a 720p 3D DLP projector with active glasses. DIY your own silver screen. You can watch 3D BDs but only at 720p. Console games are only in 720p as well. fuad |
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QUOTE(writesimply @ Nov 14 2010, 11:09 PM) .... Actually that's not my point. And sounds like you didn't see THAT movie. Sammy's Adventure, while having a decent story, suffered from a bad case of stereography. The director of photography should have guided the audience into seeing what we should be concentrating on instead of having our eyes wander everywhere in the frame. That movie is the first 3D movie that gave me a buzz. ..... For your experience what best 3D non-animated movie? From my experience, animated 3D movie produce best 3D effect compare to non-animated. Not sure it is just mine or other people also experience the same. |
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QUOTE(minimize @ Nov 16 2010, 12:15 AM) For your experience what best 3D non-animated movie? It depends on what you mean by "animated". Technically speaking, Avatar is mostly live action performances; the CGI was used to replace the actors but the face and their body movement is theirs. From my experience, animated 3D movie produce best 3D effect compare to non-animated. Not sure it is just mine or other people also experience the same. I thought G-Force was a good, mostly non-animated, movie. And it was a 3D conversion. EDIT: Forgot that I saw 20-minutes of Tron Legacy. The best 3D non-animated (mostly) movie for now. Best 3D animated is Tangled. fuad This post has been edited by writesimply: Nov 16 2010, 02:51 PM |
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QUOTE(writesimply @ Nov 16 2010, 03:50 AM) It depends on what you mean by "animated". Technically speaking, Avatar is mostly live action performances; the CGI was used to replace the actors but the face and their body movement is theirs. Tangled and Tron is not release yet in Malaysia? How you experience it? I thought G-Force was a good, mostly non-animated, movie. And it was a 3D conversion. EDIT: Forgot that I saw 20-minutes of Tron Legacy. The best 3D non-animated (mostly) movie for now. Best 3D animated is Tangled. fuad |
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Just tried SONY 3D TV yesterday at Empire Gallery...not sure which model...but there seems to be some problem...still can see double images of some smaller fish swimming...other parts still ok.
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Nov 18 2010, 09:48 AM) Just tried SONY 3D TV yesterday at Empire Gallery...not sure which model...but there seems to be some problem...still can see double images of some smaller fish swimming...other parts still ok. Panasonic 3D TV also got same problem. I still did't notice any problem on Samsung 3D TV.Is this normal?? It tried NVIDIA glasses and 3D monitor, they looked perfect when gaming....:hmmm:... |
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Nov 18 2010, 09:08 PM
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Nov 18 2010, 09:48 AM) Just tried SONY 3D TV yesterday at Empire Gallery...not sure which model...but there seems to be some problem...still can see double images of some smaller fish swimming...other parts still ok. Yes, it is normal for current gen 3DTVs. I think the occurrence of ghosting depends on the content (encoding) as well as the 3DTV you play. It is not related to 3D BD players, if the player's firmware is up to date. Is this normal?? It must be said that ghosting may not appear with 3D projectors with circular passive systems. QUOTE But they're not the size you're looking for?QUOTE(minimize @ Nov 18 2010, 08:21 PM) I've seen ghosting in different spots across all the units I've seen so far. I'm also unfortunate enough to notice the shuttering effect of LCD glasses.On a separate topic, the Imax theater in Berjaya TS has been converted to a 3D digital theater. Still no word yet which 3D system they are going with. fuad |
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Nov 19 2010, 12:00 AM
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QUOTE(writesimply @ Nov 18 2010, 10:46 PM) Yes, it is normal for current gen 3DTVs. I think the occurrence of ghosting depends on the content (encoding) as well as the 3DTV you play. It is not related to 3D BD players, if the player's firmware is up to date. Hope they used realD 3D technology instead of dolby 3D. So we'll have choice to select which one are better. It must be said that ghosting may not appear with 3D projectors with circular passive systems. But they're not the size you're looking for? I've seen ghosting in different spots across all the units I've seen so far. I'm also unfortunate enough to notice the shuttering effect of LCD glasses. On a separate topic, the Imax theater in Berjaya TS has been converted to a 3D digital theater. Still no word yet which 3D system they are going with. fuad |
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Nov 19 2010, 08:44 AM
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QUOTE(writesimply @ Nov 18 2010, 10:46 PM) No, just wants to try out the technology. No hurry to buy 3D now. Still way too expensive and the technology is still immature. (Even the salesguy at the PC shop told me it's not worth to buy the 3D Nvidia now...this guy is driving business away for his boss...LOL...but honest salesman!) Frankly, sometimes it doesn't really feels like 3D...more like a few layers of 2D in a 3D environment! You know what i mean? This post has been edited by Matrix: Nov 19 2010, 08:45 AM |
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Nov 19 2010, 09:38 AM
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Nov 19 2010, 08:44 AM) No, just wants to try out the technology. No hurry to buy 3D now. Still way too expensive and the technology is still immature. Actually, buying a 3D monitor and glasses for the PC is the best option since PC has more content in terms of 3D games. If you equip the PC with a BD drive, then you can watch 3D BD.(Even the salesguy at the PC shop told me it's not worth to buy the 3D Nvidia now...this guy is driving business away for his boss...LOL...but honest salesman!) QUOTE Frankly, sometimes it doesn't really feels like 3D...more like a few layers of 2D in a 3D environment! You know what i mean? No, not really. Some 3DTVs can do 3D conversion but that's usually not a good idea.QUOTE(minimize @ Nov 19 2010, 09:38 AM) Yeah, something like that.fuad |
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Nov 21 2010, 10:47 PM
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QUOTE Active Shutter Glass Technology vs Passive Glass in term of picture quality. Active Shutter Glass - Highest quality 3D image quality. The technology allows full frame 1080p images to be displayed for each eye. Passive Glass - Half-resolution image quality. Each eye sees only half of the vertical resolution of a 2D picture because both left eye and right eye images are contained in the same frame. Is it true, picture quality on active glass are better than passive glass? This post has been edited by minimize: Nov 21 2010, 10:48 PM |
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QUOTE(minimize @ Nov 21 2010, 10:47 PM) The quote is half-truth quote. If you're getting only half of vertical resolution, that means you're only getting 510 pixels out of 1080; I assume the horizontal resolution is still 920. There's only ONE 3D technology that does that - XPOL. Xpol uses circular polarization to deliver 3D so you use passive glasses. The difference is the TV/LCD monitor is an Xpol monitor where 510 pixels is showing you left eye content while the other 510 is showing you the right eye content. So far Xpol are used in professional playback monitors (the Thriller scene in This Is It when Michael and crew are watching 3D footage they just shot) as well as 23" PC monitors (you need a special 3D driver which they provide to play game and movies in 3D).The theory to make Xpol work as a Full HDTV is to double the vertical resolution so that the HDTV is now 1920 x 2160. The TV will take the 3D signal and convert it to 1920x1080 for each eye. 144Hz is the required minimum for the display, which is the same frequency as the RealD 3D in cinemas. Meanwhile, we're still waiting for RealD to announce the products that will be using their Z-screen technology on flat screen LCDs/plasma/LEDs as well as projectors. fuad |
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QUOTE(writesimply @ Nov 21 2010, 11:32 PM) The quote is half-truth quote. If you're getting only half of vertical resolution, that means you're only getting 510 pixels out of 1080; I assume the horizontal resolution is still 920. There's only ONE 3D technology that does that - XPOL. Xpol uses circular polarization to deliver 3D so you use passive glasses. The difference is the TV/LCD monitor is an Xpol monitor where 510 pixels is showing you left eye content while the other 510 is showing you the right eye content. So far Xpol are used in professional playback monitors (the Thriller scene in This Is It when Michael and crew are watching 3D footage they just shot) as well as 23" PC monitors (you need a special 3D driver which they provide to play game and movies in 3D). So your opinion which one are better (PQ) between Active Shutter Glass and Passive Glass?The theory to make Xpol work as a Full HDTV is to double the vertical resolution so that the HDTV is now 1920 x 2160. The TV will take the 3D signal and convert it to 1920x1080 for each eye. 144Hz is the required minimum for the display, which is the same frequency as the RealD 3D in cinemas. QUOTE Meanwhile, we're still waiting for RealD to announce the products that will be using their Z-screen technology on flat screen LCDs/plasma/LEDs as well as projectors. Vizio already rolling out the first 3D TV with passive glass for US market. And it's not using RealD 3D or Dolby 3D. In house technology maybe. It price just USD3699 for 65inch LED screen. Quiet interesting huh This post has been edited by minimize: Nov 22 2010, 12:16 AM |
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QUOTE(minimize @ Nov 21 2010, 11:41 PM) So your opinion which one are better (PQ) between Active Shutter Glass and Passive Glass? For consistency, passive glasses. Active shutters work but the drawback are the price of the glasses, and that I can still see the shuttering of the LCD. QUOTE Vizio already rolling out the first 3D TV with passive glass for US market. And it's not using RealD 3D or Dolby 3D. In house technology maybe. It price just USD3699 for 65inch LED screen. Quiet interesting huh You mean this Vizio TV? If you look at the tech specs it says:QUOTE Theater 3D : Yes Xpol tech working here since Full HD 3D is not supported, but circular polarized glasses are.FullHD 3D : No Free screening of select 3D movies at GSC Maxx Tuesday and Wednesday. Going to check out Legends of the Guardian and Avatar. Check out their website. fuad This post has been edited by writesimply: Nov 22 2010, 12:38 AM |
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QUOTE(writesimply @ Nov 22 2010, 12:17 AM) You mean this Vizio TV? If you look at the tech specs it says: Yeah it Vizio TV. What a different between XPOL and RealD actually? I see JVC 3D TV using XPOL passive polarized panel and can be watch using RealD circular polarized passive glass. Xpol tech working here since Full HD 3D is not supported, but circular polarized glasses are. This post has been edited by minimize: Nov 22 2010, 01:07 AM |
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QUOTE(minimize @ Nov 22 2010, 01:05 AM) Yeah it Vizio TV. What a different between XPOL and RealD actually? I see JVC 3D TV using XPOL passive polarized panel and can be watch using RealD circular polarized passive glass. Both tech uses circular polarized glasses to view content correctly. That's where the similarity ends.XPOL uses micro-polarizors that polarizes light circularly. The polarizors are about one pixel height and they are on a piece of plastic film laid on top of a standard LCD screen. But the alignment must be exact because one line of polarizors polarizes light for the right eye while the other for the left eye. Since the LCD controls which vertical line gets the right and left eye video, the alignment must be precise. To clarify this further, think of a plastic film you want to stick to a wall. The wall has 1 inch black and white lines running horizontally, and so does the plastic film. If you stick the film to the wall without proper alignment, you end up getting a black wall, a white wall or half and half. Again, the micro-polarizors for XPOL are one pixel height but they do not require power at all. For RealD 3D cinema application (no home version exist yet), the polarizor is an LCD screen placed in front of the lens of the projector. Called the Z-screen, it polarizes light for left and right eyes. The digital projector which must show the right eye info just as the Z-screen is polarizing light for the right eye. So the Z-screen and projector must be in sync. The Z-screen itself has only one pixel which is the entire panel, just like how in active glasses, the entire left eye panel is one pixel. The Z-screen obviously uses electricity. For RealD tech to work at home, they need to make a plastic film that can polarizes light. It has to be a OTFT or OFET film because two LCD panels would make the 3D HDTV too heavy and consume too much electricity. These films are available now - in fact, Sony made a rollable 4.1" OLED display - but to make one that can achieve a minimum of 144Hz, that minimize color and brightness loss, as well as being relatively cheap are the barriers to be broken. Once this can be achieved, then 3D monitors and HDTVs are going to be everywhere. People will buy sunglasses and regular glasses with built-in 3D polarizers. fuad |
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QUOTE(writesimply @ Nov 22 2010, 02:01 AM) Both tech uses circular polarized glasses to view content correctly. That's where the similarity ends. This means, I can watch Xpol 3D TV with RealD glass right?... |
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QUOTE(minimize @ Nov 22 2010, 06:47 PM) Yes. If you don't mind not getting Full HD 3D, then get the Vizio. Personally I'd wait until the second week of January 2011 to make any decision. That's when new electronics are announced. Still wish there's an affordable 1080p 3D projector using polarizing tech.fuad Added on November 23, 2010, 11:36 pmFrom what I can tell, GSC Maxx is using linear polarization; if you rotate two of their glasses while looking at a light source, the glass will become dark at about 160-170 degrees. It's not circular polarization because my RealD glasses don't work. According to a staff - even GSC is mum about the details - they are using two digital projectors to do 3D. This is similar to Imax 3d film approach; Imax digital 3D uses one 2K DLP projector. Perhaps Maxx is using 4K projectors since 2K won't hold up to scrutiny. EDIT: I just saw pix of XpanD 3D glasses. The shape matches the one Maxx uses. It's just the color is yellow and for some reason, on each side the logo is a cheap looking "3D tech". Hopefully GSC is using a legit 3D solution. XpanD 3D is an active shutter glasses 3D system. 3D on such a big screen is really a fantastic experience. But even 2D digital films would benefit from the screen size. Thankfully, YTL is no longer in charge. Otherwise they'll keep running 35mm films on a screen too large for it. fuad This post has been edited by writesimply: Nov 23 2010, 11:43 PM |
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QUOTE(writesimply @ Nov 23 2010, 01:35 AM) From what I can tell, GSC Maxx is using linear polarization; if you rotate two of their glasses while looking at a light source, the glass will become dark at about 160-170 degrees. It's not circular polarization because my RealD glasses don't work. GSC Maxx using active glass? EDIT: I just saw pix of XpanD 3D glasses. The shape matches the one Maxx uses. It's just the color is yellow and for some reason, on each side the logo is a cheap looking "3D tech". Hopefully GSC is using a legit 3D solution. XpanD 3D is an active shutter glasses 3D system. ... Added on November 27, 2010, 12:54 pm QUOTE Big Cinemas go 3D New Active 3D cinema in Malaysia. 3D movies start playing this Nov25 in Batu Pahat Mall, Alor Star Mall, Taiping Sentral, Landmark Central Kulim & Brem Mall. 23 Nov – You will soon be able to watch 3D movies in BIG Cinemas Lotus Five Star outlets in Batu Pahat Mall, Alor Star Mall, Taiping Sentral, Landmark Central Shopping Mall Kulim and Brem Mall, announced the cinema chain yesterday. According to a press release, the Ultimate 3D technology combines both the Active 3D Glasses and the latest 4k upgradable series digital cinema projector across 10 of its screens. The selected Active 3D Glass series is said to use the electronic shutter technology which is able to deliver the brightest image with an efficiency rating 15% higher than Passive 3D Glasses which are commonly available in Malaysia. BIG Cinemas Lotus Five Star Chief Operations Officer Preetham Rebello was quoted as saying: "Cinemas have come a long way; from black and white movies, we now have high resolution and 3D presentation. With the emergence of new innovative technology, the cinematic experience is heightened and taken to a whole new level." The same source noted that despite using the latest 3D technology, they will charge the competitive market rate for a 3D movie (which is the price of the ticket and an additional RM5 for the rental of the glasses, said to cost RM200 per pair) and that the chain is confident moviegoers will be satisfied with the results of the new technology offered. This post has been edited by minimize: Nov 27 2010, 01:01 PM |
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Wow bravo Big Cinema, hopefully the one in Bukit Jambul Complex will get that too very soon. Coz those GSC 3D in Queensbay Mall and especially in Gurney Plaza really like shit
And while we are having endless discussion on 3D, LG is giving away almost RM10K worth of 3D gifts with their Infinia Borderless LED HD 3D tv package at Courts (including 6 pairs of 3D glasses and HTiB) You probably receive similar brochure in your mailbox today. ![]() What you do think? This post has been edited by chokia: Nov 27 2010, 02:19 PM |
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QUOTE(chokia @ Nov 27 2010, 02:15 PM) And while we are having endless discussion on 3D, LG is giving away almost RM10K worth of 3D gifts with their Infinia Borderless LED HD 3D tv package at Courts (including 6 pairs of 3D glasses and HTiB) You probably receive similar brochure in your mailbox today. LG want to introduce 3D TV with passive glass next year. That why it want to push to sell current model to customer right now. What you do think? |
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QUOTE(minimize @ Nov 27 2010, 12:51 PM) GSC Maxx using active glass? It is. QUOTE GSC Maxx incorporates dual digital projectors to gain the most optimal brightness for a large screen of this size. That should be "processors".GSC Maxx incorporates active polarized 3D system with 3D Tech active glasses. The LCD lenses in the 3D glasses incorporate the latest LCD technology which gives 3D viewing experience with best brightness. SC Maxx is the first digital hall to incorporate fully digital sound processes by Dolby CP750. The CP750 is designed to work within the new digital hall environment, integrating easily with pre-show servers, alternative contents, and digital cinema servers. Patrons will be able to enjoy the full spectrum of digital sound from its original source without any loss in audio quality. Click here for the full statement. My worry is that this tech is a pirated tech. The glasses are not from XpanD but the shape and make matches. If XpanD finds out, Maxx has to be closed down until GSC gets original XpanD glasses. The reason why I believe it is a pirated tech is because of the vague statement in the press release. When GSC launched their first 3D hall, they mentioned Dolby 3D Digital specifically. They didn't do the same here. All they mentioned was "3D Tech" which, if you've seen the glasses yourself yourself, looks very cheap like a China-made OEM product trying to pass for a Sony. The silkscreen itself feels cheap. QUOTE 4K upgradeable means it's not yet 4K. The first CE to offer 4K resolution was Sony with their SXRD tech. EDIT: Then TI came in with their 4K DLP solution via Christie Digital, which makes the Christie Solaria CP4230, on November 10 2010 - yes, just this month. So basically, GSC and BIG have invested in the Sony. I've never been to a BIG but hopefully they know that good sound is also key to a full cinema enjoyment. fuad This post has been edited by writesimply: Nov 28 2010, 01:47 PM |
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QUOTE(writesimply @ Nov 28 2010, 01:42 PM) ... You mean that 3D glass are Sony brand? As we know for active glass, only XpanD brand that has been use in cinema around the world right now.My worry is that this tech is a pirated tech. The glasses are not from XpanD but the shape and make matches. If XpanD finds out, Maxx has to be closed down until GSC gets original XpanD glasses. The reason why I believe it is a pirated tech is because of the vague statement in the press release. When GSC launched their first 3D hall, they mentioned Dolby 3D Digital specifically. They didn't do the same here. All they mentioned was "3D Tech" which, if you've seen the glasses yourself yourself, looks very cheap like a China-made OEM product trying to pass for a Sony. The silkscreen itself feels cheap. How about 3D quality compare with Dolby 3D? |
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I tried Panasonic Viera 3D TV at Jusco One-U yesterday...totally tak boleh jalan??? No difference at all with or without glasses. Somehow the set spoilt? The promoter never bother to check? I bet a lot more people will be anti-3D after watching that...coz it simply dun work!!
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Nov 29 2010, 04:29 PM) I tried Panasonic Viera 3D TV at Jusco One-U yesterday...totally tak boleh jalan??? No difference at all with or without glasses. Somehow the set spoilt? The promoter never bother to check? I bet a lot more people will be anti-3D after watching that...coz it simply dun work!! I think it battery already dead or drain. They need to charge it every 8 hours. |
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QUOTE(minimize @ Nov 28 2010, 03:22 PM) You mean that 3D glass are Sony brand? As we know for active glass, only XpanD brand that has been use in cinema around the world right now. No, the glasses LOOK like they are XpanD cinema glasses. But it doesn't say XpanD or X as the photo above, but "3d tech".How about 3D quality compare with Dolby 3D? The quality is very good. I did not see any flickering at all. However, there is ghosting. XpanD claims that no ghosting appears on their system. I have not seen any ghosting on Dolby 3D Digital or RealD 3D systems - or at least that I can remember. QUOTE(Matrix @ Nov 29 2010, 04:29 PM) I tried Panasonic Viera 3D TV at Jusco One-U yesterday...totally tak boleh jalan??? No difference at all with or without glasses. Somehow the set spoilt? The promoter never bother to check? I bet a lot more people will be anti-3D after watching that...coz it simply dun work!! Often the promoters at Juscos and the likes (not like or HNorman BDenki) are not in their job for the long run. They are temps until they find a field that they're really interested in. So expecting them to figure out what to do may be expecting too much. If you're looking to buy a 3D TV - or any electronics - educate yourself first. Next month's biggest 3D movie is Narnia (conversion) and Tron (native). fuad |
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QUOTE(writesimply @ Nov 29 2010, 11:37 PM) Narnia is conversion 3D? For sure 3D effect is not so great. On others part, quiet disappointed when harry potter not have 3D version. Added on November 30, 2010, 7:53 pm QUOTE(writesimply @ Nov 29 2010, 11:37 PM) No, the glasses LOOK like they are XpanD cinema glasses. But it doesn't say XpanD or X as the photo above, but "3d tech". I see OEM 3D active glass that compatible with XpanD cinema at alibaba.com. Maybe GSC used this cheap glass at their cinema. This post has been edited by minimize: Nov 30 2010, 07:53 PM |
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QUOTE(minimize @ Nov 30 2010, 03:35 PM) Narnia is conversion 3D? For sure 3D effect is not so great. Well it looked okay. Not bad. Haven't seen it yet though, only seen the trailers.QUOTE On others part, quiet disappointed when harry potter not have 3D version. HP7s are also conversions. Part 1 could not have been finished at a high level of quality to make the release date. Part 2 is going to make it's release date for sure. I do believe that before Part 2 is shown, WB will re-release Part 1 in 3D to hype up the finale.QUOTE Added on November 30, 2010, 7:53 pm I see OEM 3D active glass that compatible with XpanD cinema at alibaba.com. Maybe GSC used this cheap glass at their cinema. But if they wanted to OEM it, couldn't they just silkscreen "GSX Maxx" on the sides of the glasses? And pick a better color than yellow? fuad |
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Sony NX710 is marketed as 3D ready TV but its max refresh rate is 100hz. www.best-3dtvs.com recommended that for active glass 3D tech, you need to go minimum 120hz.. best at 240hz. Does this mean Sony NX710 not really suitable for 3D?
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QUOTE(rikiraikonnen @ Dec 3 2010, 04:28 PM) Sony NX710 is marketed as 3D ready TV but its max refresh rate is 100hz. www.best-3dtvs.com recommended that for active glass 3D tech, you need to go minimum 120hz.. best at 240hz. Does this mean Sony NX710 not really suitable for 3D? It's in the multiplication of images. 100Hz = 100 frames per second.25fps = 1 frame of video will be on the screen for 4/100th of a second. 30fps = 1 frame of video will be on the screen for 3/100th of a second roughly. 24fps = 1 frame of video will be on the screen for 4/100th of a second roughly. But that's for non-3D images. For 3D images, you have to divide that number to half as you have left and right images. 25fps = 1 frame of L/R video will be on the screen for 2/100th of a second. 30fps = 1 frame of L/R video will be on the screen for 1.5/100th of a second roughly. 24fps = 1 frame of L/R video will be on the screen for 2/100th of a second roughly. Those are not good numbers. fuad |
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I find that watching 3D movies makes me tired.. even those in the cinema.
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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Dec 4 2010, 03:15 AM) Try watch at cinema that are using 3D active glass like GSC Maxx or BIG. Maybe you will feel different.BTW I just watch Narnia 3D at Maxx. I can say 3D effect is not so great because it a conversion 3D film maybe. But for Rapunzel, I can give 2 thumb up for 3D effect. This post has been edited by minimize: Dec 7 2010, 03:21 PM |
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QUOTE(DannyOP @ Dec 4 2010, 03:15 AM) Have you watched an Imax 3D 70mm film?Added on December 7, 2010, 5:56 pm QUOTE(minimize @ Dec 7 2010, 03:20 PM) Told you, didn't I? fuad This post has been edited by writesimply: Dec 7 2010, 05:57 PM |
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watch 3D sometimes make me feel dizzy
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A few days ago, tried the Panasonic 3D TV...video of volleyball game...can almost touch the arse of one of the girls...haha...j/k. The crowds looks like a bunch of 2D people in the farthest level of the 3D plane though..
One thing i noticee, when in 3D mode, everything is pretty dimmed....i think current 3D technology still needs a long way to go before it is affordable or problems free. |
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Dec 8 2010, 10:39 AM) A few days ago, tried the Panasonic 3D TV...video of volleyball game...can almost touch the arse of one of the girls...haha...j/k. The crowds looks like a bunch of 2D people in the farthest level of the 3D plane though.. almost touch the girl? WOW One thing i noticee, when in 3D mode, everything is pretty dimmed....i think current 3D technology still needs a long way to go before it is affordable or problems free. |
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QUOTE Toshiba glasses-less 3D TVs The 3D effect is available within a 40-degree area in front of the set, Toshiba said. According to the Associated Press, viewers must also sit two feet from the 12-inch LCD and three feet from the 20-inch LCD to view 3D content. We have to be on specific location to get 3D image. Definitely this is not "Living Room Ready" technology! IMO 3D TV without glass is still far away to achieve. |
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Yesterday at the Digital Lifestyle Expo, tried a red/blue cyan glasses (RM 29) watching something on a LCD monitor. The 3D effect not bad...but the colour is very bad....like no colour already....cannot compared with active shutter glasses at all...
But if u just want to try it on the cheap, i guess it's ok...RM 29 for the glasses and you can download some 3D movies to try...or if you have an NVIDIA card, just run your games/movies in 3D. But i think prolonged period will give u headache....i didn't buy one...maybe head back today and buy one and pick up some other stuff... |
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Dec 12 2010, 10:15 AM) Yesterday at the Digital Lifestyle Expo, tried a red/blue cyan glasses (RM 29) watching something on a LCD monitor. The 3D effect not bad...but the colour is very bad....like no colour already....cannot compared with active shutter glasses at all... Dun forget to take pictures of that nice babes with low cuts@DECT booth But if u just want to try it on the cheap, i guess it's ok...RM 29 for the glasses and you can download some 3D movies to try...or if you have an NVIDIA card, just run your games/movies in 3D. But i think prolonged period will give u headache....i didn't buy one...maybe head back today and buy one and pick up some other stuff... |
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Apple patents glasses-free, multi-viewer 3D
Apple has been granted a patent for a projection system that can enable multiple viewers to simultaneously view 3D images without the need for those dorky 3D glasses. The patent, succinctly entitled "Three-dimensional display system," is fiendishly complex, but its goal is simple: to provide "highly effective, practical, efficient, uncomplicated, and inexpensive autostereoscopic 3D displays that allow the observer complete and unencumbered freedom of movement." Autostereoscopic is the standard term for the ability to present 3D content without the need for eyewear such as active shuttered or passive polarized glasses, as are used for most current 3D presentations. As the patent states, "...most voyages into virtual reality are currently solitary and encumbered ones: users often wear helmets, special glasses, or other devices that present the 3D world only to each of them individually." Understandably, this is less than ideal — "observers generally do not like to wear equipment over their eyes," the patent notes. |
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The trailer for Pirates of The Caribbean 4 in 3D looks good.
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Has anyone successfully played downloaded 3d content and play it from video file (not blu ray player) from a PC onto an active shutter 3d HDTV? Would like to share experience with you. Currently using PC with HD5770 card and LG LX9500 HDTV.
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Sounds interesting.When will be the technology born?
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QUOTE(minimize @ Jan 3 2011, 10:31 PM) Well it's all in how you want often you want to shock your audience. The director can create the POP effect on camera then tweak it at post with the stereographer. Tron doesn't have that at all but it does have excellent depth detail. POTC naturally lends itself to the in-your-face kind of moments which works for it. Even then, I'm sure POTC would not have a lot of those moments, unlike Final Destination.Looking forward to Transformers and Tin Tin this year. Will be watching those at Maxx. fuad |
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Watch 4D movie in Genting last week...wah lau...i think 15 minutes to 30 minutes only....but wsnna vomit liao...i think 3D is not my cup of tea.
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i don't understand......i really don't understand......why ???? .....here cost more than RM10k.....but US...........
http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-VIERA-TC-P...4701743&sr=8-11 3D contents is getting more and more........ Thinking of cheaper 3D setup: Viewsonic PJD6211 DLP = RM1800 Projector screen = RM200 3D glasses = RM200 Notebook = RM1200 Total = RM3400 without notebook = RM2200 3D Contents = Download from Internet (3D half SBS mkv) for bedroom: Acer 23.6 120Hz LED monitor + 3D glasses = RM1299 Sammi 6900 3D blu-ray player = around RM1000 Total = RM2299 |
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QUOTE(mcat84 @ Jan 11 2011, 07:51 AM) i don't understand......i really don't understand......why ???? .....here cost more than RM10k.....but US........... Yea, US offer any hdtv a lot more cheaper....like sony flagship 3dtv right now, Bravia HX909 52'' only cost you USD2500, I wonder if this model is launched at Malaysia, how the price gonna skyrocket?http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-VIERA-TC-P...4701743&sr=8-11 3D contents is getting more and more........ Thinking of cheaper 3D setup: Viewsonic PJD6211 DLP = RM1800 Projector screen = RM200 3D glasses = RM200 Notebook = RM1200 Total = RM3400 without notebook = RM2200 3D Contents = Download from Internet (3D half SBS mkv) for bedroom: Acer 23.6 120Hz LED monitor + 3D glasses = RM1299 Sammi 6900 3D blu-ray player = around RM1000 Total = RM2299 Added on January 11, 2011, 8:42 amGuys, I have a question. Currently i'm at US pursuing my degree. I'm looking for this particular 3DTV here, since it is way cheaper. The problem is, the TV does not tolerate PAL signal and only works on NTSC. I know Malaysia broadcast are using PAL signal. I also made some research, and found out that there is a device that can convert PAL to NTSC signal so that I can watch any PAL signal i.e. ASTRO if I were to bring the 3dTV to malaysia. Does anyone can confirm this? Thanks a bunch! This post has been edited by VisionX: Jan 11 2011, 08:42 AM |
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QUOTE(writesimply @ Jan 4 2011, 03:46 AM) Well it's all in how you want often you want to shock your audience. The director can create the POP effect on camera then tweak it at post with the stereographer. Tron doesn't have that at all but it does have excellent depth detail. POTC naturally lends itself to the in-your-face kind of moments which works for it. Even then, I'm sure POTC would not have a lot of those moments, unlike Final Destination. I already watch 3D at Big Cinema on Bream Mall. Compare with Maxx I can say that both place are great for 3D satisfaction. Ticket at Big Cinema also cheaper than Maxx. Looking forward to Transformers and Tin Tin this year. Will be watching those at Maxx. fuad |
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QUOTE(mcat84 @ Jan 11 2011, 07:51 AM) Viewsonic PJD6211 DLP = RM1800 Projector screen = RM200 3D glasses = RM200 Notebook = RM1200 Total = RM3400 without notebook = RM2200 3D Contents = Download from Internet (3D half SBS mkv) This can work assuming your notebook will have the right video driver. QUOTE for bedroom: This won't work. The monitor can't handle frame packing video 3DBD because it's a PC monitor; the graphic card is supposed to send the frame packing video unpacked. Acer 23.6 120Hz LED monitor + 3D glasses = RM1299 Sammi 6900 3D blu-ray player = around RM1000 Total = RM2299 Either option, you may want to get the Optoma 3D-XL (which is hard to get in the US but apparently on sale in UK and HK) which can handle frame packing, side-by-side video. QUOTE(VisionX @ Jan 11 2011, 08:36 AM) Added on January 11, 2011, 8:42 amGuys, I have a question. Currently i'm at US pursuing my degree. I'm looking for this particular 3DTV here, since it is way cheaper. The problem is, the TV does not tolerate PAL signal and only works on NTSC. I know Malaysia broadcast are using PAL signal. I also made some research, and found out that there is a device that can convert PAL to NTSC signal so that I can watch any PAL signal i.e. ASTRO if I were to bring the 3dTV to malaysia. Does anyone can confirm this? Thanks a bunch! The US 3DTV you want must also handle 50Hz 1080i video. That's the video format that Astro B.yond handles. Look into the Vizio/LG passive glasses 3DTV. QUOTE(minimize @ Jan 12 2011, 12:44 AM) I already watch 3D at Big Cinema on Bream Mall. Compare with Maxx I can say that both place are great for 3D satisfaction. Ticket at Big Cinema also cheaper than Maxx. How big is the Big Cinema?fuad |
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QUOTE(writesimply @ Jan 12 2011, 10:42 AM) PAL-to-NTSC converters have been available for a while so they will work. You just have to make sure that the device can handle Macrovision copy protection that Astro employs. Get one converter, send it to your family and see if they can make it work. The US 3DTV you want must also handle 50Hz 1080i video. That's the video format that Astro B.yond handles. Look into the Vizio/LG passive glasses 3DTV. Hmm, I'm not so sure about some of the technical terms you mentioned. Like 50Hz 1080i. The model that I'm looking for is Bravia HX909 or maybe I'll wait for the coming Bravia HX929. I checked on Sony website, it does state that the specs for HX909 is that it has features as follow: - Power Requirements (frequency) : 60Hz for UL,cUL 50/60Hz for other - it also handle 1080p/24 materials Is that by what you mean by 50Hz 1080i? Thanks!! |
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frame packing ????? .....the Acer LED monitor come with 2 x HDMI 1.4a ports (according to the spec.) .....still can't handle meh ?????
QUOTE(writesimply @ Jan 12 2011, 10:42 AM) This can work assuming your notebook will have the right video driver. This won't work. The monitor can't handle frame packing video 3DBD because it's a PC monitor; the graphic card is supposed to send the frame packing video unpacked. Either option, you may want to get the Optoma 3D-XL (which is hard to get in the US but apparently on sale in UK and HK) which can handle frame packing, side-by-side video. PAL-to-NTSC converters have been available for a while so they will work. You just have to make sure that the device can handle Macrovision copy protection that Astro employs. Get one converter, send it to your family and see if they can make it work. The US 3DTV you want must also handle 50Hz 1080i video. That's the video format that Astro B.yond handles. Look into the Vizio/LG passive glasses 3DTV. How big is the Big Cinema? fuad |
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QUOTE(VisionX @ Jan 12 2011, 12:47 PM) Hmm, I'm not so sure about some of the technical terms you mentioned. Like 50Hz 1080i. The model that I'm looking for is Bravia HX909 or maybe I'll wait for the coming Bravia HX929. I checked on Sony website, it does state that the specs for HX909 is that it has features as follow: No. What you quoted is just the power requirements. That means the HDTV can handle 220/240v 50Hz; however, just to be safe go to a store that has one of these TVs and look at the back panel or ask the salesperson for the manual to check for the dual-voltage compatibility.- Power Requirements (frequency) : 60Hz for UL,cUL 50/60Hz for other - it also handle 1080p/24 materials Is that by what you mean by 50Hz 1080i? The US HD broadcast standards is 1080i 30 (1080i at 30 fields per second). When you double the frames, it becomes 60 hence 60 Hz, which matches their electricity frequency - 110v 60Hz. The Europe HD broadcast standard is 1080i 25 (25 fields per second) or 50Hz. Astro B.yond follows European standards. 1080p24/25/30 is the Blu-ray Disc standard since BD has more bandwidth than broadcast. Most HDTVs that are sold here and in Europe can handle all SD/HD broadcast standard. Most HDTVs sold in the US (with the exception of projectors) can handle only the US SD/HD standards. Sometimes even the BD players are affected. QUOTE(mcat84 @ Jan 12 2011, 03:16 PM) frame packing ????? .....the Acer LED monitor come with 2 x HDMI 1.4a ports (according to the spec.) .....still can't handle meh ????? The ports are just ports. It doesn't come with decoding chips. Think of a port as a hose. You can pump any liquid on one end and the liquid will come out on the other end. However if you want to pump dirty water into the hose and expect clean water to come out the other end, you need a filtering device placed in the middle of that chain. The Acer will work with a PC with the right 3D graphics card. It won't work with 3D BD player because the player will send frame-packed video. An illustration of frame-packed video is below. ![]() The Acer can accept the frame packed video at 120Hz. But it won't know which images to display for the left and right eye, or what to do with the black blanking video. 3DHDTVs have the chips that can know how to decode a 3D signal and output it as such. That's why if you want to use the Acer with a BD player, you need the Optoma 3D-XL which costs US$500. fuad This post has been edited by writesimply: Jan 13 2011, 03:16 PM |
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want to play 3D also so difficult........that's mean if i buy the Acer 3D monitor + glasses + 3D blu ray player + 3D blu ray disc also cannot see 3D ??? then why they come out with this monitor in the first place ??????
QUOTE(writesimply @ Jan 13 2011, 03:15 PM) No. What you quoted is just the power requirements. That means the HDTV can handle 220/240v 50Hz; however, just to be safe go to a store that has one of these TVs and look at the back panel or ask the salesperson for the manual to check for the dual-voltage compatibility. The US HD broadcast standards is 1080i 30 (1080i at 30 fields per second). When you double the frames, it becomes 60 hence 60 Hz, which matches their electricity frequency - 110v 60Hz. The Europe HD broadcast standard is 1080i 25 (25 fields per second) or 50Hz. Astro B.yond follows European standards. 1080p24/25/30 is the Blu-ray Disc standard since BD has more bandwidth than broadcast. Most HDTVs that are sold here and in Europe can handle all SD/HD broadcast standard. Most HDTVs sold in the US (with the exception of projectors) can handle only the US SD/HD standards. Sometimes even the BD players are affected. The ports are just ports. It doesn't come with decoding chips. Think of a port as a hose. You can pump any liquid on one end and the liquid will come out on the other end. However if you want to pump dirty water into the hose and expect clean water to come out the other end, you need a filtering device placed in the middle of that chain. The Acer will work with a PC with the right 3D graphics card. It won't work with 3D BD player because the player will send frame-packed video. An illustration of frame-packed video is below. ![]() The Acer can accept the frame packed video at 120Hz. But it won't know which images to display for the left and right eye, or what to do with the black blanking video. 3DHDTVs have the chips that can know how to decode a 3D signal and output it as such. That's why if you want to use the Acer with a BD player, you need the Optoma 3D-XL which costs US$500. fuad |
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If u are referring to this Acer 3D which just launched this month, then it can play 3d movies :-
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QUOTE(chinmh @ Jan 14 2011, 12:45 AM) If u are referring to this Acer 3D which just launched this month, then it can play 3d movies :- That 24" monitor would work. Technically it's still a monitor because it needs a tuner to be a TV. But no word whether it can accept any other 3D signal besides frame packing. If it can, then you're set.Acer HS244HQ It's not a 3d monitor but more like mini size 3d tv, so that's why it work. Supposedly Acer is also launching a passive 3D monitor as well. fuad |
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QUOTE(writesimply @ Jan 14 2011, 03:51 AM) That 24" monitor would work. Technically it's still a monitor because it needs a tuner to be a TV. But no word whether it can accept any other 3D signal besides frame packing. If it can, then you're set. That acer 3D passive monitor are compatible with realD3d glass?Supposedly Acer is also launching a passive 3D monitor as well. fuad This post has been edited by minimize: Jan 14 2011, 02:32 PM |
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QUOTE(minimize @ Jan 14 2011, 02:30 PM) Most probably as the current Frame Pattern Retarder (FPR) tech to do passive on LCD is meant for circular polarized glasses, not linear. The RDZ tech, taken from RealD's Z-screen that is co-developed with Samsung, is deemed too expensive for consumers.Supposedly LG is going to stop releasing active 3D HDTVs this year and come out with FPR 3D HDTVs, both in 1080p and 4K2K (3840x2160p) formats. Based on attendees' reaction at CES, FPR 3D will win. fuad |
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QUOTE(mcat84 @ Jan 11 2011, 07:51 AM) i don't understand......i really don't understand......why ???? .....here cost more than RM10k.....but US........... i thick 3D tv price start dropping in Malaysia, yesterday i just bought a Sony 40" 3D LED tv from Best Denki,http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-VIERA-TC-P...4701743&sr=8-11 3D contents is getting more and more........ Free gift : monolithic stand, 2pcs 3D glasses + sync transmitter & 2pcs 3D blu ray disc. RM4599 - RM 750 cashback = RM3849 But one thing sux is the glasses already out of stock, they can only give me within this week |
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QUOTE(Sgt_Pepeer @ Jan 25 2011, 01:35 PM) i thick 3D tv price start dropping in Malaysia, yesterday i just bought a Sony 40" 3D LED tv from Best Denki, RM3849 for 40" 3DTV? Damm very cheaper Free gift : monolithic stand, 2pcs 3D glasses + sync transmitter & 2pcs 3D blu ray disc. RM4599 - RM 750 cashback = RM3849 But one thing sux is the glasses already out of stock, they can only give me within this week |
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QUOTE(chinmh @ Jan 27 2011, 12:04 AM) Did u manage to get the cash back offer since the sony website puts the promotion is valid until 31.12.2010?l that dude in best denki told me it valid till end of January, & i did submit the cash-back code last night online, current status are pending.actually i did find another promotion leaflet on Sony Style, their selling the 40" 3D LED tv at RM6999, with more freebie than best denki. that promotion valid from 4/1/11 till 28/2/11 http://www.issuu.com/sonymalaysia/docs/sonystyle_jan2011 |
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I think best denki is the better offer.
I bought it yeterday from Best Denki for RM4599.00. Package include 1 3d TV 1 Monolithic Stand 2 pcs 3d glass (Adult) 1 sync transmitter 1 hdmi cable 2 BD Disc - Alice In Wonderland 3D / Deep Sea 3D 1 Sony 3D Demo Disc And i manage to register the cash back of RM750 but instead of taking the cheque redemption i opt for PS3 which i think is a better deal. I only need to top up RM49 (since the PS3 total package is RM799) and i get :- 1 PS3 320 GB 3 BD Disc - Resident Evil 3D / Monster House 3D / M.Jackson This Is It 3D 1 BD 3D Game 1 HDMI cable 2 pcs 3D Glass (Kid) So overall i pay RM4648 for all the items. This post has been edited by chinmh: Jan 27 2011, 02:04 PM |
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QUOTE(chinmh @ Jan 27 2011, 02:02 PM) I think best denki is the better offer. do u mind telling me which branch u bought from ? i bought mine on Monday ( Mid Valley branch) & now i still haven't got my glasses yet coz out of stock I bought it yeterday from Best Denki for RM4599.00. Package include 1 3d TV 1 Monolithic Stand 2 pcs 3d glass (Adult) 1 sync transmitter 1 hdmi cable 2 BD Disc - Alice In Wonderland 3D / Deep Sea 3D 1 Sony 3D Demo Disc |
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QUOTE(Sgt_Pepeer @ Jan 27 2011, 03:01 PM) do u mind telling me which branch u bought from ? i bought mine on Monday ( Mid Valley branch) & now i still haven't got my glasses yet coz out of stock I got mine from Mid Valley and also no stock for the glasses and transmitter. So i think we have to wait until chinese new year is over before we can get the glasses.But i did ask them to put a remark on my receipt that i haven't collected the items just in case they back out on the offer. This post has been edited by chinmh: Jan 27 2011, 05:07 PM |
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QUOTE(chinmh @ Jan 27 2011, 05:06 PM) I got mine from Mid Valley and also no stock for the glasses and transmitter. So i think we have to wait until chinese new year is over before we can get the glasses. ya mine have remark on the receipt too, i asked that guy what's the ETA of glasses, he said he can't promise but possible before CNY...But i did ask them to put a remark on my receipt that i haven't collected the items just in case they back out on the offer. |
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Well for my case, the salesman said after chinese new year.
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Next month I will go for Panasonic Vseries 3D PT50V20.Harvey norman just selling for rm10999 in-conjunction with their store birthday.Plus with home theater costly about rm2000.I will spend max rm13K.But no special function on panasonic.just have a smooth 3d effect.Compare with samsung that can convert 2D to 3D movie.Plus Samsung can record the movie you want to watch.But samsung 3D effect can't beat This panasonic.So i will go for Panasonic.ha..ha..
Added on February 15, 2011, 2:05 pm QUOTE(Dual_shock3 @ Feb 9 2011, 07:53 PM) Next month I will go for Panasonic Vseries 3D PT50V20.Harvey norman just selling for rm10999 in-conjunction with their store birthday.Plus with home theater costly about rm2000.I will spend max rm13K.But no special function on panasonic.just have a smooth 3d effect.Compare with samsung that can convert 2D to 3D movie.Plus Samsung can record the movie you want to watch.But samsung 3D effect can't beat This panasonic.So i will go for Panasonic.ha..ha.. can't wait until next month.Already bought the panasonic 50inc Plasma 3D Full HD tv plus with pioneer vsx-520.This post has been edited by Dual_shock3: Feb 15 2011, 02:05 PM |
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Sony dropping price already for their new lineup of 3D LED TV~
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Anyone want to go 3D at cheaper option can consider Acer H5360 720p projector. Now selling for only USD 500. Based on 3D user feedback, 3D need to be watched on large screen to feel the impact. The setup will need either a PC running nvidia solution or Optoma 3D XL that can convert frame packing to 120hz 3D left/right format.
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and more news on 3D pj :
Projecting 3D Just heard you guest-hosting The Tech Guy radio show, and you were talking about the JVC 3D projectors. Do you need active-shutter glasses to watch a 3D projector like the JVC at home? Thomas Terry The JVC and most other 3D home-theater projectors utilize active-shutter glasses to view 3D images. These projectors use an IR emitter that bounces its signal off the screen or is mounted above the screen pointing at the audience to synchronize the glasses to the alternating left and right images. The advantage of an active-glasses system is that it can be used with a normal projection screen; the disadvantage is that the glasses are very expensive at roughly $150 a pop. The flagship JVC DLA-RS60/X9 (pictured above) ships with an IR emitter and two pairs of glasses, but the RS50/X7 and RS40/X3 do not, so you must buy the emitter and glasses if you want to watch 3D on those models. A few projectors use passive glasses—for example, the LG CF3D and Runco D-73d use passive-polarized glasses, which requires a special polarization-preserving silver screen that doesn't work all that well with 2D images. On the other hand, the glasses are much less expensive and lighter in weight. The SIM2 C3X Lumis 3D uses a technology called Dolby 3D, which employs passive glasses but not polarization, so no special screen is necessary. Click here for an explanation of Dolby 3D, here for a discussion of passive-polarized 3D, and here for some info on active-shutter glasses. link : http://www.hometheater.com/content/3d-pjs-...width-vs-height |
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Last check JVC X3/RS40 is selling around USD 3k from ebay.
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QUOTE(htkaki @ Mar 9 2011, 03:11 PM) and more news on 3D pj : Not the latest news.Most 3D PJs sub US$15,000 uses active glasses tech. The LG CF3D costs US$15,000. The Runco D-73D costs US$50,000. The SIM2 C3X costs US$59,000. The Dolby 3D module alone costs a lot of money. At AVSF, somebody has built a passive system using 2 JVC DLA-RS40s and 2 Optoma 3D-XLs, which comes up to around US$11,000 - not inclusive of silver screen, polarizers and circular/linear glasses. You could potentially use the cheapest polarized 1080p projectors out there to build your own 3D projectors. If the Epson 8350 has polarized light output, you could have a 3D projector system for $3,600 - not inclusive of silver screen, polarizers and circular/linear glasses. As far as drawbacks with silver screens, there are drawbacks with non-polarized projection too. fuad This post has been edited by writesimply: Mar 9 2011, 11:51 PM |
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If 3D is your primary objective, the best technology that give you less ghosting would be Panny Plasma TV. As for projector, so far the review is DLP almost no ghosting, Sony LCOS ghosting is quite bad and JVC is good but still some ghosting compare to DLP projector.
Another interesting news is Acer going to release H5360BD, which is similar to 720p H5360 but with compatibility with 3D frame packing format. That means 3D bluray player and PS3 3D game will work natively with the projector. Hope it is selling below USD 700. Might consider this projector for 3D gaming and movie. Killzone 3 and GT5 on 110" in 3D would be awesome. JVC X3 is a no go as currently a lot of user report that after 200 hours, the brightness drop to around 500 lumen and might be too dark for 3D if you don't have a HP screen. This post has been edited by pierreye: Mar 10 2011, 10:37 PM |
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QUOTE(pierreye @ Mar 10 2011, 10:15 PM) If 3D is your primary objective, the best technology that give you less ghosting would be Panny Plasma TV. As for projector, so far the review is DLP almost no ghosting, Sony LCOS ghosting is quite bad and JVC is good but still some ghosting compare to DLP projector. I tried Panny 3D TV at best denki and its ghosting effect is worst.Another interesting news is Acer going to release H5360BD, which is similar to 720p H5360 but with compatibility with 3D frame packing format. That means 3D bluray player and PS3 3D game will work natively with the projector. Hope it is selling below USD 700. Might consider this projector for 3D gaming and movie. Killzone 3 and GT5 on 110" in 3D would be awesome. JVC X3 is a no go as currently a lot of user report that after 200 hours, the brightness drop to around 500 lumen and might be too dark for 3D if you don't have a HP screen. |
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QUOTE(pierreye @ Mar 10 2011, 10:15 PM) Another interesting news is Acer going to release H5360BD, which is similar to 720p H5360 but with compatibility with 3D frame packing format. That means 3D bluray player and PS3 3D game will work natively with the projector. Hope it is selling below USD 700. Might consider this projector for 3D gaming and movie. Killzone 3 and GT5 on 110" in 3D would be awesome. JVC X3 is a no go as currently a lot of user report that after 200 hours, the brightness drop to around 500 lumen and might be too dark for 3D if you don't have a HP screen. 3D projector beams on 110" screen for GT5 gaming with this :![]() PRICELESS |
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Now that's strange. General consensus is Plasma had a better 3D experience compare to LCD. I had try the demo for Panny and I think it's quite good but still it lack the impact. I think 3D is still best to be watch on big screen as the depth would be deeper thus higher visual impact.
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QUOTE(pierreye @ Mar 10 2011, 10:15 PM) As for projector, so far the review is DLP almost no ghosting, Sony LCOS ghosting is quite bad and JVC is good but still some ghosting compare to DLP projector. I don't think that ghosting is tech specific in terms of projectors. It's how the implementation of the ghosting-reducing tech inside a 3D projector.Dolby 3D doesn't use active glasses but it does use DLP projectors - as do a lot of commercial digital 3D theaters. RealD doesn't use it either. And there are no ghosting for both systems in my experience. The GSC Maxx uses active glasses and 2 projectors. It could be a 4K SXRD or it could still be a 2K DLP. But it does exhibit ghosting. QUOTE Another interesting news is Acer going to release H5360BD, which is similar to 720p H5360 but with compatibility with 3D frame packing format. That means 3D bluray player and PS3 3D game will work natively with the projector. I still don't like single-chip DLP projectors because of RBE. I would think that using a 3D single-chip DLP projector that's below $1000 would make RBE worse.I'd go with the dual-Panny AE4000 projector route to get 3D projection at home. The Frame Interpolation would be useful for 3D movies and games. Then there's the 2.40 lens memory function. fuad |
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Anyone looking for cinema 3d glasses can PM me.
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in today's Star newspaper got this SenQ ad
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Mar 16 2011, 03:52 PM) in today's Star newspaper got this SenQ ad RM2699 for 43' plasma? Damm interesting (got typo on model)This is the model PS43D490 BUT, on SenQ's website dont have leh http://www.senheng.com.my/senq/20110301/SQ_DR.html |
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QUOTE(writesimply @ Mar 11 2011, 01:42 AM) I don't think that ghosting is tech specific in terms of projectors. It's how the implementation of the ghosting-reducing tech inside a 3D projector. RBE is an issue if you are sensitive. So far most of the user/professional reviews show that LCD had the worst ghosting. Check out Sony vw-90 3D projector review vs JVC LCOS 3D. If you use passive glasses with polarize screen, there is still some ghosting depends on the quality of the polarize screen and glasses. I had seen the Avatar in Gurney cinema and I can see ghosting (not sure which tech it is using). Ghosting normally exist in very bright object against very dark background.Dolby 3D doesn't use active glasses but it does use DLP projectors - as do a lot of commercial digital 3D theaters. RealD doesn't use it either. And there are no ghosting for both systems in my experience. The GSC Maxx uses active glasses and 2 projectors. It could be a 4K SXRD or it could still be a 2K DLP. But it does exhibit ghosting. I still don't like single-chip DLP projectors because of RBE. I would think that using a 3D single-chip DLP projector that's below $1000 would make RBE worse. I'd go with the dual-Panny AE4000 projector route to get 3D projection at home. The Frame Interpolation would be useful for 3D movies and games. Then there's the 2.40 lens memory function. fuad This post has been edited by pierreye: Mar 16 2011, 11:43 PM |
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QUOTE(Sgt_Pepeer @ Mar 17 2011, 12:11 AM) i think most ppl call it crosstalk, ghosting is occur when the object moving fast. ghosting = lay man term.correct me if i'm wrong crosstalk = technical term. If you had try 3D 10 years back using CRT, due to the nature of phosphor decay time, you can see overlapping image especially in bright object against dark background. Still had my Elsa 3D revelator glasses. Not sure if that can be hack to work with Nvidia 3D vision. |
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Mar 17 2011, 12:56 AM) That price is correct. I already see it my self at harvey norman. RM2599 free 2 pair 3D glass.This is series 4 model and it just HD ready (not Full HD) This post has been edited by minimize: Mar 20 2011, 06:54 PM |
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Yep.. was browsing around in tv shop last weekend...
The Samsung PS43D490 is already available... but the resolution in that advertisement is wrong.. its not resolution 1920X1080 but 1024X768. It HD ready.. Other 3D capable model for that 2011 4 series is PS51D490. with resolution 1365X768... Hmmm... 3D HD ready and 3D Full HD which is better? Or since its plasma, can't tell??? oh yeah, anybody has tried the 3d for this setting.. When I was at the shop, the glass is not available so can't try... Anybody here has experience using samsung 3dtv??? Added on March 21, 2011, 10:56 am QUOTE(chinmh @ Jan 27 2011, 05:06 PM) I got mine from Mid Valley and also no stock for the glasses and transmitter. So i think we have to wait until chinese new year is over before we can get the glasses. Oh.. have you tried the 3d mode yet... How is it??? Btw, you are using what model??? the nX710 is it?But i did ask them to put a remark on my receipt that i haven't collected the items just in case they back out on the offer. This post has been edited by azsace: Mar 21 2011, 10:56 AM |
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Check out the review on 3D section. It highlight the advantage of Plasma over LCD in 3D performance. One point to take note that LCD screen and 3D glasses is polarized which means if you look at the screen from a different angle, it will look darker.
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NEW 3D Technology from LG.
Its called the Cinema 3D. http://www.lg.com/my/tv-audio-video/televi...tv-47LW5700.jsp Key feature is on the Polarized-3D glasses. These type of 3D glasses do not need battery to view 3D content. There's no circuitary system. Hence these polarized-3D glasses can be manufactured at a fraction of the cost compared to those conventual active-shutter-3D glasses. Just as how you'd watch 3D movies in the Cinema. In fact, you only pay RM5 for the polarized-3D glasses in Cinemas such as TGV/GSC/Cathay/MBO. Personally, I feel that this type of 3D TVs are going to dominate the market. This post has been edited by calvinchin: May 1 2011, 07:24 PM |
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QUOTE(calvinchin @ May 1 2011, 06:21 PM) NEW 3D Technology from LG. I'd rather have autostereoscopic 3D tho. So far only Toshiba makes such sets and it's not available in Malaysia (afaik, so far only Japan has). Willing to wait until next year to see how this plays out.Its called the Cinema 3D. http://www.lg.com/my/tv-audio-video/televi...tv-47LW5700.jsp Key feature is on the Polarized-3D glasses. These type of 3D glasses do not need battery to view 3D content. There's no circuitary system. Hence these polarized-3D glasses can be manufactured at a fraction of the cost compared to those conventual active-shutter-3D glasses. Just as how you'd watch 3D movies in the Cinema. In fact, you only pay RM5 for the polarized-3D glasses in Cinemas such as TGV/GSC/Cathay/MBO. Personally, I feel that this type of 3D TVs are going to dominate the market. Which is very weird. Sharp makes the panels but don't use it in their own electronics- only license out.... This post has been edited by RAMChYLD: May 1 2011, 11:23 PM |
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Just for tips who want to watch astro football in 3D channel 830 ..
panasonic 3d tvs , go to setup : 3D : access .. change to double slide view .. wear ur 3d spec and enjoy |
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QUOTE(calvinchin @ May 1 2011, 06:21 PM) NEW 3D Technology from LG. Not quite new. It's been announced at CES 2011 back in January. Samsung is reportedly working on passive 3D as well. So far, the only ones in the market with passive 3D are LG and Vizio. Since Vizio doesn't sell their TVs in Malaysia (wonder why, considering that they can corner the market better than Haier), LG's announcement means for at least 12 months, they will dominate passive 3D HDTVs. And from what I read from AVSF, LG's quality is much better than Vizio.Its called the Cinema 3D. http://www.lg.com/my/tv-audio-video/televi...tv-47LW5700.jsp QUOTE Key feature is on the Polarized-3D glasses. These type of 3D glasses do not need battery to view 3D content. You can buy an active LCD glasses for about US$80. You can buy one of these polarized glasses for under US$5.There's no circuitary system. Hence these polarized-3D glasses can be manufactured at a fraction of the cost compared to those conventual active-shutter-3D glasses. QUOTE Just as how you'd watch 3D movies in the Cinema. In fact, you only pay RM5 for the polarized-3D glasses in Cinemas such as TGV/GSC/Cathay/MBO. Not quite. You pay RM5 to RENT the Dolby 3D glasses (GSC Maxx glasses are active LCD glasses which costs about US$80). If you lose it or damage it, you'd have to pay RM200. It used to cost US$50 per Dolby 3D glasses. Now Dolby has discovered new manufacturing techniques to sell it at US$20. Unless you're mysophobic, you don't need to buy the Dolby 3D glasses because so far, Infitec tech is not being developed for HDTVs.The reason why LG call it Cinema 3D is because the polarized glasses here are circularly polarized, which is the same technique used by RealD 3D. RealD is the most popular 3D installation system in the world. We just don't have it here. If we did, then LG's passive 3D HDTVs will get a massive boost because those glasses are cheap. QUOTE If LG can sell it for under RM9000 for a 55" and give 8 pairs of glasses, then they can.QUOTE(RAMChYLD @ May 1 2011, 11:20 PM) I'd rather have autostereoscopic 3D tho. So far only Toshiba makes such sets and it's not available in Malaysia (afaik, so far only Japan has). Willing to wait until next year to see how this plays out. Autostereoscopic HDTVs are expensive, lacking detail and so far very small. So far the tech involved includes head tracking, which is great if you're all alone in your house.QUOTE Which is very weird. Sharp makes the panels but don't use it in their own electronics- only license out.... If you're talking about the above passive 3D HDTV tech, you can use the FPR laminate on LCD or plasma panel and apply the right algorithm to make the image splitting work. ![]() LG is also launching D41P (21") and D42P (25") 3D computer monitors. These 1080p monitors also uses FPR which means you can use the same passive glasses from your monitor to your passive 3D TV and vice versa. The monitors can also convert 2D to 3D. fuad This post has been edited by writesimply: May 7 2011, 03:37 AM |
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You guys know that FPR cut the resolution into half? Still not a perfect 3D solution.
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QUOTE(pierreye @ May 7 2011, 07:50 AM) Well, the resolution is cut in half for 3D transmission (notice how there is split screen on non-3D displays). Yeah, I'm talking about passive 3D. Although FPR laminate won't be very useful because the TV cannot process 3D info to spread onto the screen. |
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QUOTE(pierreye @ May 7 2011, 07:50 AM) Neither is the active LCD glasses with its ghosting and flickering issues. For a typical setting where the sitting area is about 6 feet away from the TV, passive 3D users do not see the resolution loss. Because the left eye and right eye image are combined in the brain, the brain fill in the details that is lost. QUOTE(RAMChYLD @ May 7 2011, 12:22 PM) Well, the resolution is cut in half for 3D transmission (notice how there is split screen on non-3D displays). pierreye was talking about FPR, not 3D SBS transmission on Astro.QUOTE Yeah, I'm talking about passive 3D. Although FPR laminate won't be very useful because the TV cannot process 3D info to spread onto the screen. FPR is just one component of a 3DTV. You still need GPUs to render all the 3D types to the screen; this is true for all 3DTVs.fuad |
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My dream is to own a HMD with 2 different screen for each eye with high FOV. This is a perfect setup for 3D.
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QUOTE(pierreye @ May 7 2011, 04:20 PM) My dream is to own a HMD with 2 different screen for each eye with high FOV. This is a perfect setup for 3D. You mean like this?![]() I can't imagine enjoying that to watch a 2-hour movie let alone playing KZ3/R3 online with it. It's too heavy. The 1280x1024 dual-input version costs US$10,500 and it can't even be hooked up to a dual-DVI graphic card. You can also find xSight on that site that supports input for 1080p but it doesn't indicate native resolution. For the pricing info, you must call to find out which means it costs more than US$10,500. I could build a circular polarized passive system using 2 Optoma 3D-XLs, 2 Panasonic AE4000U, a 120" DIY silver screen and circular lenses for under US$8,000. You can still use it to connect to a PC to play 3D games at 1080p. fuad |
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Well, still waiting for an affordable 720p dual screen HMD with either dual input or 1.4 3D compatible. One advantage with HMD is head tracking. Imagine flight simulator and driving simulator in 3D cockpit.
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http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=9837995...=&cm_id=&pm_id=
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what's the pros and cons of both Polarized-3D glasses and active-shutter-3D glasses ? im looking for 3D tv now.. should i wait for LG cinema 3D or just get sony 55EX720 ? seems like passive 3d without flickering is better choice? lg cinema 3D tv launch in MY already? This post has been edited by genkis3: May 23 2011, 01:42 AM |
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Waiting for no-need-to-wear-any-glass-to-watch-3DTV
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QUOTE Posted Today, 10:30 AM Waiting for no-need-to-wear-any-glass-to-watch-3DTV OMG its already on sale (in Japan) QUOTE Nissho starts selling 52-inch, glasses-free 3D TV with Full HD resolution in Japan By Vlad Savov posted May 23rd 2011 at 7:18AM ![]() Remember Dimenco? A four-man splinter group of former Philips employees, the company has been hard at work refining its glasses-free 3D display tech and today some of the earliest fruit of its labor is going on sale. Nissho Electronics in Japan is beginning sales of a 52-inch LCD panel that can pump out full 1080p of 3D vision without requiring any headgear from the viewer. Initially, this big lenticular display will target businesses, who'll be among the few to be able to afford the ¥1.7 million ($20,820) asking price. Other specs include a 2,000:1 contrast ratio, 8ms response time, 700 nits of brightness, and a 60Hz refresh rate. The 3D on this TV is actually described as a unique "2D + depth" implementation, which can also be used to convert 2D images in real time. Great, now take a zero out of that price, ship it westwards, and watch the sales really take off. Source: http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/23/nissho-...with-full-hd-r/ |
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QUOTE Initially, this big lenticular display will target businesses, who'll be among the few to be able to afford the ¥1.7 million ($20,820) asking price. Other specs include a 2,000:1 contrast ratio, 8ms response time, 700 nits of brightness, and a 60Hz refresh rate. Auto-stereoscopic screens that are over 20" uses lenticular laminate. While it does give you depth, you can't really see fine detail. Case in point - the auto-stereo lenticular display at the Ground Floor of Low Yat. I've also seen another larger screen display that had the same problem.I'd rather the FPR tech with passive glasses than this. At least with passive glasses, they can increase the 3D resolution to 1920x2160. fuad |
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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ May 24 2011, 11:23 AM) Incorrect use of a term. Lenticular screen achieves AUTOSTEREOSCOPIC 3D. Passive 3D still uses glasses that have either linear or circular polarized lenses.QUOTE(chokia @ May 24 2011, 10:16 AM) Wiki entry for Lenticular printing. Read it first to understand the concept.For LCD displays using lenticular laminate, the laminate is arranged vertically in order for each eye to receive separate video information. Unlike Cinema 3D which cuts vertical resolution by half (1920 x 540), lenticular 3D cuts horizontal resolution by half. In effect, each eye will get 960 x 1080 video resolution per eye. What's important to note is that humans are more able to know there is a resolution loss when the loss is horizontal and not vertical. fuad |
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I wonder why they dare to call it FULL HD if what you get only half. Marketing?
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May 26 2011, 10:11 AM
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2D you still get Full HD... just not in 3D mode... so... marketing wise it is still Full HD...
you market the product based on performance not weakness... you see cars company advertise their car full engine horsepower and torque (Max HP / Max Torque) although most of us dont really use it |
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May 31 2011, 05:09 PM
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LG's LW5700 series is here. Just saw a 47" version. The price is RM6,700.
It works as advertised. You must sit at eye level and about six feet away to get the full 3D effect. Too close and you'll see the interlaced effect. Too off axis vertically and you'll see ghosting. At eye level and six feet away, there is no ghosting which is an impressive feat. There is no flickering because both L+R video is shown at once. And the image is brighter than active 3D. The only drawback - the horizontal resolution loss is a given - is the price. At RM6,700 that's a lot to ask for a 47"; in the US, you can get a 55" for US$2,000 and we're closer than Americans from Korea or China. The list price for the 55" is RM13,000, double the price of the 47". If you add another RM7,000 you can get a 1080p 3D passive projection system using two PT AE4000-Us and 3D-XLs. The TV comes with 4 pairs of circular polarized glasses. If you buy one from LG, it'll cost RM30-40. If you buy from Ebay, it'll cost you RM75 for 10 pairs of RealD 3D glasses. fuad |
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Jun 2 2011, 09:03 PM
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may i ask lowyat got sell the real d glasses o not?and can let me know the price?
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Jun 3 2011, 09:17 PM
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QUOTE(writesimply @ May 24 2011, 02:19 AM) Auto-stereoscopic screens that are over 20" uses lenticular laminate. While it does give you depth, you can't really see fine detail. Case in point - the auto-stereo lenticular display at the Ground Floor of Low Yat. I've also seen another larger screen display that had the same problem. I will not buy 3DTV without glass if it same like Low Yat. Very lack of detail and it picture look staggering and ugly.I'd rather the FPR tech with passive glasses than this. At least with passive glasses, they can increase the 3D resolution to 1920x2160. fuad |
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QUOTE(writesimply @ May 31 2011, 05:09 PM) LG's LW5700 series is here. Just saw a 47" version. The price is RM6,700. thanks for info, im looking for 47"... cinema 3D with passive glass is more suitable for children right...It works as advertised. You must sit at eye level and about six feet away to get the full 3D effect. Too close and you'll see the interlaced effect. Too off axis vertically and you'll see ghosting. At eye level and six feet away, there is no ghosting which is an impressive feat. There is no flickering because both L+R video is shown at once. And the image is brighter than active 3D. The only drawback - the horizontal resolution loss is a given - is the price. At RM6,700 that's a lot to ask for a 47"; in the US, you can get a 55" for US$2,000 and we're closer than Americans from Korea or China. The list price for the 55" is RM13,000, double the price of the 47". If you add another RM7,000 you can get a 1080p 3D passive projection system using two PT AE4000-Us and 3D-XLs. The TV comes with 4 pairs of circular polarized glasses. If you buy one from LG, it'll cost RM30-40. If you buy from Ebay, it'll cost you RM75 for 10 pairs of RealD 3D glasses. fuad |
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QUOTE(genkis3 @ Jun 5 2011, 11:44 PM) thanks for info, im looking for 47"... cinema 3D with passive glass is more suitable for children right... If by that you mean when the children break the glasses, you won't cry to pieces, then yes.Hopefully circular passive 3DTV would sell so well that GSC and TGV would actually start using RealD 3D instead of Dolby 3D. fuad |
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Jun 6 2011, 03:42 AM
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remember i read somewhere active shutter glass affect their eye health..
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QUOTE(genkis3 @ Jun 6 2011, 03:42 AM) I read that. Nonsense, really. Kids do other things beside watching TV, like play and read and going to school. Even just going from the living room to their bedroom requires spatial analysis with their bare eyes.What 3D does is it enables the brain to adjust to a different kind of space. It synthesizes new space so that more spatial analysis can be done. The warning on the article applies to all 3D, and not just active shutter glasses. fuad |
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I know this is a stupid question to ask, but just want to prove some theory.
Nowadays there is a lots of 3D LED/LCD around, you need 3D glasses to watch 3D movie, that if, in situation where the movie is in 3D, (player.....i don't know, but i guess most of the Blue Ray players can play 3D movie). What if watching normal TV program, like TV3, NTV7.... Those 3D LED/LCD will goes back to normal mode right ? Or...for example, watching Astro. |
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QUOTE(MakaiKnight @ Jun 7 2011, 12:15 PM) I know this is a stupid question to ask, but just want to prove some theory. The active LCD glasses won't get activated because the TV recognizes the signal is regular video. At which point, you should turn off the glasses and take it off.Nowadays there is a lots of 3D LED/LCD around, you need 3D glasses to watch 3D movie, that if, in situation where the movie is in 3D, (player.....i don't know, but i guess most of the Blue Ray players can play 3D movie). What if watching normal TV program, like TV3, NTV7.... Those 3D LED/LCD will goes back to normal mode right ? Or...for example, watching Astro. fuad |
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I am currently using a Panasonic Plasma TV (1024 × 768), and am looking at buying a 3D TV in Full HD.
I find this LG 42LW5700 quite interesting. But after I read this article: http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20028916-1.html I am now a little worrying and uncertain whether to get this LG Passive 3D or go for other Active 3D type? I want to buy a Full HD 3D TV, does Panasonic offer any Plasma Full HD 3D TV? What is the price for 42" or maybe 50"? Is LED Full HD 3D TV any good? I saw LG offer their Plasma 3D TV at good price, but those at 1024 × 768 resolution. Is there big different if I insist on Full HD display? I am totally open to either active or passive 3D type, I really need your sharing of experience and advise. |
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err... 1024x768 is not 720p leh....
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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Jun 10 2011, 03:51 PM) Well, reality gonna hurts... for plasma TV, most HD ready uses panel size of 1024X768, which is not a native 16/9 ratio. For some people, they can notice that their tv images is a bit strecth up/down depending on the source. All LG n Pana HD ready plasma uses this resolution. Samsung uses this resolution for only their 42/43" display. Their 50/51 display use the proper 16/9 ratio, so the resolution is 1366 X 768. For HD ready LCD, all uses 1366 X 768 resolution. Another reason why I only buy HD ready plasma from samsung at 51" size... For 3D, the choice is only plasma. U wont go wrong with any 2011 plasma 3DTV. Best is Pana. For some guide and impression.. can look here http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1825421 This post has been edited by azsace: Jun 10 2011, 04:10 PM |
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I'm using 2011 LG 3D plasma and super happy with it... reason being the 3D spec uses 2.4ghz RF insted of IR and I can walk to kitchen without losing sync with my tv awesome the spec also cheap at RM150++
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Jun 18 2011, 11:29 AM
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RM150.00 for infrared type?
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New passive 3D projector prototype announced.
QUOTE VALENCIA, Calif., June 15, 2011 /PRNewswire/ -- Wavien, Inc. will be demonstrating the latest advances in LED light engine technology with a prototype 3D Projector using its proprietary LED Recycling Technology (RLT™). Wavien's low cost 3D projector combines the left and right polarized images from two TFT-LCD panels using a reflective polarizer, and projects the combined images onto a polarization-preserving screen through a single projection lens. The 3D image can then be viewed using low-cost polarizing eyeglasses. This system allows use of a "home-made" polarization-preserving screen, produced with off-the-shelf metallic spray paint, which further reduces the total cost of ownership. Wavien is working with manufacturers in Taiwan for this 3D projector. A 2D version of this low cost LED projector is also available. A production ready 2D sample and a 3D engineering prototype will be shown at the Wavien booth, #5283, at the InfoComm in Orlando, Florida, from June 15th to 17th. Performance, pricing, and delivery details for these new projectors are now available from Wavien. "Our goal is to provide a low-cost, maintenance-free 3D projection system for home and classroom uses. Wavien's RLT technology utilizes a low-cost, street-lamp type of LED, and costs are reduced even further by using large area TFT-LCD panels to simply the light engine architecture. The two-polarization system permits the use of low-cost, passive polarization eyeglasses, instead of expensive LCD shutter glasses. A further innovation is to project the images onto a simple metallic spray painted screen, which is polarization preserving and has high gain," stated Dr. Kenneth Li, President and CEO of Wavien, Inc., who is also the inventor of the recycling technology. Dr. Li added: "This unique combination of low-cost components makes 3D viewing at home and in classrooms affordable, which is one of the major factors in the widespread adoption of 3D." Ron Meritt is president of Olens Technology, based in Pismo Beach, CA. "Olens Technology is excited to work with Wavien, a global leader in projection technology with the RLT technology," stated Mr. Meritt, who was featured in many media outlets including the cover story of Forbes Magazine. "We are very optimistic that Olens Technology will be able to introduce this 3D projector as a leading product into the market using Wavien's technology," added Mr. Meritt. It may not give accurate color reproduction but at least a new projector company is bucking the trend of 3D projectors by going passive. fuad |
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QUOTE(Sheldon @ Jun 19 2011, 12:03 AM) You can get Samsung 3D LCD 43" at RM2600 (with free 3D glasses). Sory forgot what series, my brother bought it last week at Tesco.Don't know is it cheap or not hehe Question: Is there any sample 3D movie clips that i can download to watch using this 3D TV? I tried Anaglyph 3D, but it is for red-cyan glasses, not for Polarising 3D glasses (correct if I'm wrong). |
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QUOTE(AnNamir @ Jun 19 2011, 01:20 AM) Question: You can Google for any "half SBS" content and download that. If it's a Samsung TV with a USB port, you can put the content on a flash drive and play it from there. Just remember to tell the TV to show SBS content as 3D (SBS stands for Side By Side).Is there any sample 3D movie clips that i can download to watch using this 3D TV? I tried Anaglyph 3D, but it is for red-cyan glasses, not for Polarising 3D glasses (correct if I'm wrong). If you have a PS3 and a US PSN account, you can download several game videos that are in frame-packed 1080p 3D. fuad |
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QUOTE(writesimply @ Jun 20 2011, 01:49 AM) You can Google for any "half SBS" content and download that. If it's a Samsung TV with a USB port, you can put the content on a flash drive and play it from there. Just remember to tell the TV to show SBS content as 3D (SBS stands for Side By Side). Thanks for the info Fuad.If you have a PS3 and a US PSN account, you can download several game videos that are in frame-packed 1080p 3D. fuad Oh, if it is a SBS format, so it is almost the same like a stereograph photos or movie then, which you have to look using parallel or cross-eyed technique. |
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QUOTE(AnNamir @ Jun 20 2011, 11:55 AM) Thanks for the info Fuad. It is kinda like that, except that stereograph photos have full photos side by side. Oh, if it is a SBS format, so it is almost the same like a stereograph photos or movie then, which you have to look using parallel or cross-eyed technique. SBS videos (rather half-SBS) have two SQUEEZED video images side by side to fit the 1920x1080 frame; each image is 960x1080. The TV then STRETCH each image and show them as Left and Right image on the screen. There are Full SBS videos but you can only run them using HTPCs and 3D monitors. fuad |
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Just bought 47 lg cinema 3d tv. Rm5k with 5 glasses and some free gift. Is that reasonable? I prefer its 3d quality over my current sony 46ex720.
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QUOTE(genkis3 @ Jun 24 2011, 09:33 PM) Just bought 47 lg cinema 3d tv. Rm5k with 5 glasses and some free gift. Is that reasonable? I prefer its 3d quality over my current sony 46ex720. Considering that Harvey Norman and Best Denki sell that model for RM6,600 and you get it for RM5,000, that is reasonable. Five glasses and some free gift? I'm sure others would like to know where you bought this.Remember that vertical placement is key. Don't put it too low or too high or you'll see ghosting. fuad |
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QUOTE(genkis3 @ Jun 24 2011, 09:33 PM) Just bought 47 lg cinema 3d tv. Rm5k with 5 glasses and some free gift. Is that reasonable? I prefer its 3d quality over my current sony 46ex720. wait, yours is 3D LED or 3D plasmaI confuse la the new LG 3D range... Coz I HATE the 3D plasma.. Colours look so washed out |
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mine is LED. model is LW5700 . color and brightness is better than those with active glasses.
rm6600 ?! they told me normal price is only rm5399. i did the test there.. if eye level higher than TV will see ghosting, but if lower abit still ok. bought from Perfect Livin fair at pisa penang. free gift is 5 glasses,1 high quality stainless steel pan and one non stick pan. just went there again to find cheapest 47" LED for bedroom. LG again, latest model but low range.. for rm3399 free bracket , knife set, La gourmet pot... feel this time they not discount alot for me... |
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QUOTE(genkis3 @ Jun 27 2011, 02:03 AM) rm6600 ?! they told me normal price is only rm5399. i did the test there.. if eye level higher than TV will see ghosting, but if lower abit still ok. bought from Perfect Livin fair at pisa penang. free gift is 5 glasses,1 high quality stainless steel pan and one non stick pan. Well you lucked out. And it goes to show that electrical shops are getting huge profit from TV sales markups. 10% of RM5,000 is RM500. If that's what the store gets, the salesman at most gets half of that. By the way, I'm just guessing on the percentage. Although I would prefer that the retail price of the 55" is around RM7,000 (which means the 47" is around RM4,000) I'm glad you got yours for RM5,000. QUOTE just went there again to find cheapest 47" LED for bedroom. LG again, latest model but low range.. for rm3399 free bracket , knife set, La gourmet pot... feel this time they not discount alot for me... LG has a Cinema 3D range that doesn't have SmartTV stuff. Is that the range you're talking about? Supposedly it's coming sometime this week.fuad |
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Jun 27 2011, 07:38 PM
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from what i heard, electrical shops not only markups. they will get extra incentive if they hit the quota. so sometimes they will throw at cost price to hit the quota.
my 2nd TV is non 3D. just the cheapest LED available. im sure 55" will sell around rm7000 very soon. look at the first 3D TV i bought last year , sony 40"nx710 cost >10k. |
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QUOTE(Boy96 @ Jun 25 2011, 12:54 PM) wait, yours is 3D LED or 3D plasma hahah.. u hate 3d plasmaI confuse la the new LG 3D range... Coz I HATE the 3D plasma.. Colours look so washed out anyway.. basically for those who bought 2010 3dtv will regret (the only good 2010 model is pana vt20 n gt20) anybody who bought 3d led tv will also regret (active only, year 2010 or 2011) LG passive cinema 3dtv is surprisingly good but vertical viewing angle is a bit restricted.... This post has been edited by azsace: Jun 27 2011, 08:42 PM |
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Jun 28 2011, 12:56 AM
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QUOTE(azsace @ Jun 27 2011, 08:41 PM) Yes, vertical angle is a bit restricted but most people won't grow 6" taller in 10 seconds if they're already standing up. On the other hand, active 3D doesn't have as wider horizontal viewing angle as passive 3D TVs do. It's almost 140 degrees for passive which means for a big party, people can sit all over the place. You also don't have to worry about syncing your glasses when you're neither near nor far because it never needs to be in sync.Just to be clear, if your view is vertically higher than the TV, you'd see ghosting. But that disappears when you're back in position or you tilt the TV to your direction. fuad |
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QUOTE(writesimply @ Jun 28 2011, 12:56 AM) Yes, vertical angle is a bit restricted but most people won't grow 6" taller in 10 seconds if they're already standing up. On the other hand, active 3D doesn't have as wider horizontal viewing angle as passive 3D TVs do. It's almost 140 degrees for passive which means for a big party, people can sit all over the place. You also don't have to worry about syncing your glasses when you're neither near nor far because it never needs to be in sync. Yep.. i agree with u...Just to be clear, if your view is vertically higher than the TV, you'd see ghosting. But that disappears when you're back in position or you tilt the TV to your direction. fuad for 3d blu ray viewing, this is definitely the best 3DTV.. bit for gaming, might have some other concern... i wrote my impression on the TV here... hopefully to test it when time permits... http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1825421/+80 |
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Wah LW5700 is RM5k?? I saw in Audio House Sg for only $1299.
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Aug 25 2011, 10:30 PM
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3D gaming... hmmm
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Aug 26 2011, 12:22 AM
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Saw this 8" media player at All IT.....naked eye 3D media player....
Tried to watch the 3d movie clips (SBS format)...the 3D effect (depth) is ok....but after some while...dizzy price : RM5xx |
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the Glassless 3D is still not fully developed...
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RED sorta announced their upcoming 4K 3D projector on their forum. It uses a laser as its light source. 4K is the resolution, not the price. No word on the imager but it is definitely not DLP. Available for theatrical and home use. "SOON" is the delivery date.
RED is the maker of RED digital camera, like the RED Epic, which was used to shoot next year's Spiderman and PJ's The Hobbit films. fuad Added on November 17, 2011, 11:22 pmKL's 3D Cinema Screen update. Some people may have known this already and others may not. TGV KLCC have installed a silver screen in Hall 2. This means that it is now able to play 3D films using RealD 3D. If you don't like the glasses of Dolby 3D and the active shutter glasses of Maxx, you should give RealD 3D a try. If you have the LG Cinema 3D series, you can use those glasses to watch in 3D. I don't know if you can insist that you shouldn't pay extra for the glasses you don't need. If you can, do! If you can't, then at least you get to keep the RealD glasses which you can now use at home. If they give you any trouble about either one, write to the newspapers! TGV may have installed silver screens on their other cineplexes at all as apparently TGV is going through a renovation phase. TGV is now installing Digital Imax at Sunway Pyramid. I doubt it would be as good as Maxx but at least TGV can start showing Imax films there. It won't be the same though as the screen on Digital Imax is only slightly bigger than regular screens. fuad This post has been edited by writesimply: Nov 17 2011, 11:22 PM |
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The REDRay Projector will be on display at NAB today. Here's the gist of what it can do.
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For US$10,000 The REDRay projector also
- Includes an internal REDray Player - Also accepts HDMI or HD-SDI input What's a REDray player? It's essentially a player that can read REDCode formats directly from the RED Epic/Scarlet/One SSDs. The REDRay can also display FOUR 1080p content simultaneously. Here's a gist of the specs. ![]() The REDray projector's main user will be content creators shooting at 4K and using the PJ to grade their content. But as you can see, you can also hook it up to your PS3/Orbis for some 1080p 3D gaming. fuad |
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Is those major Studios will support the REDray format?
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QUOTE(low98944 @ Apr 16 2012, 09:44 PM) RED is working on getting DCI approval for RedRay projector and player. Encoding can be done already via software/hardware solutions. Distribution can be via SSD delivery or direct download to server.Here are the pix of the projector Engadget took at the RED booth. Click to see. What DCI approval means that the REDRay projector is designed to replace not only current LCD/DLP/D-ILA home theater projectors, it is also designed to replace current DLP cinema projectors that uses Xenon lights. The projector design is a modular one. The home/grading studio version can go up to 15'/180" screen but if you want a bigger screen, you send the projector back to them and ask for a laser and imager upgrade. Supposedly for larger venues, the projector will cost up to US$40,000. Current Christie Digital DLP 2K projectors cost US$120,000. The key thing to remember is this : just like their cameras, the REDRay projector is also upgradeable. You don't need to buy a new projector if 6K is coming; just upgrade the laser and imager. RED also just announced the Dragon sensor which can capture images at 6K. Very soon, maybe under 5 years, RED cameras can capture images at the same resolution as 70mm Imax films, which is currently at 10K. By that time, Imax may actually be a client for RED. fuad |
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ok..after reading all..im still confused some say do not need 3d tv..just 3d souce with 3d glasses can already. then wat is the 3d tv for?
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QUOTE(rodman @ May 8 2012, 02:05 PM) ok..after reading all..im still confused some say do not need 3d tv..just 3d souce with 3d glasses can already. then wat is the 3d tv for? huh.. says who?here you go, This one for Active/Passive 3D, not the glassless one 3DTV + 3D Source (such as 3D Blu-ray) + 3D Glasses = 3D Experience 3DTV + 2D source (with 2D to 3D converter active) + 3D Glasses = 3D Experience |
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QUOTE(rodman @ May 8 2012, 02:05 PM) ok..after reading all..im still confused some say do not need 3d tv..just 3d souce with 3d glasses can already. then wat is the 3d tv for? but the effect is not good..........huge different if compare to real 3dtv |
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QUOTE(StupidGuyPlayComp @ May 21 2012, 01:16 PM) but the effect is not good..........huge different if compare to real 3dtv PC players like POwerDVD does support 2D to 3D conversion into anaglyph formats. This post has been edited by Mea Culpa: May 21 2012, 09:43 PM |
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