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post Jan 7 2010, 10:40 PM

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QUOTE(sigheart @ Jan 7 2010, 07:52 PM)
Oh great. If we buy him and he plays well enough we'll be losing him every 2 years for a month or so to a useless cup which frankly nobody cares but the africans =/
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laugh.gif alright then african players is out of the equation.

anyways like we all believe...we dont see fabregas leaving this transfer window
im quite positive on that
but if the impossible happens
im afraid there will be a turning point to our season. turn for the bad
he who is our captain, a leader and our talisman
he is so much more then playing well himself,he makes other players plays even better.
the backbone of our squad is held strong by him,if he leave poof gone case.

i really think all hell will break loose at Arsenal if he leaves
not unless wenger has found a suitable replacement for faby shoes
he will be a gunner for at least another season or more.



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post Jan 7 2010, 11:41 PM

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As much as I hate to say it, Cesc will definitely be back in Spain within 2 seasons. Perhaps after EURO 2012?

Hopefully by then, Ramsey turns into a smashing player and tbh, I feel he's already on his way.
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Lacina Traore

who is this guy... an Ivorian...
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post Jan 8 2010, 01:54 AM

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QUOTE(maximus85 @ Jan 8 2010, 12:48 AM)
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who is this guy... an Ivorian...
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unknown but rising star... AW kind of signing. biggrin.gif hehehe rclxms.gif

about Cesc... i think he'll see out his contract til 2014. What we have to worry is that ARSENE have yet to discuss terms with Arsenal for extension of his current contract!!!

priority would be Gallas... next would be AW!

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post Jan 8 2010, 08:51 AM

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Here comes another one...

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post Jan 8 2010, 08:56 AM

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QUOTE(faizfluff @ Jan 8 2010, 08:51 AM)
Here comes another one...

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good morning ppl!!!hahah...juz was about to post it....u beat me to it!! biggrin.gif ....so whatcha guys think about Mauro Zarate??i think he's not that bad when he played for Birmingham...but in Lazio last season he was good but this season his form dipped and i think we could blame a little the Lazio's manager for that as he openly criticized Zarate for his below the par performances and this affected the player....but to think AW is prepared to part away 40 million euros for Zarate is quite overpriced and almost too good to be true!!!with that kind of money better we bid for Edin Dzeko!!!he's more suitable to the type of striker that AW needs and i really think Dzeko is worth that kind of money!!Dzeko for the win!!! thumbup.gif

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post Jan 8 2010, 09:24 AM

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If Cesc leave then it's gonna be like Viera leaved last time but this time the apprentice under par for their performance... gosh... why every time AW has build new TALENT PERSONS to GRAB the CUP... than somebody will snub...

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post Jan 8 2010, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(RyanAtwood @ Jan 8 2010, 08:56 AM)
good morning ppl!!!hahah...juz was about to post it....u beat me to it!! biggrin.gif ....so whatcha guys think about Mauro Zarate??i think he's not that bad when he played for Birmingham...but in Lazio last season he was good but this season his form dipped and i think we could blame a little the Lazio's manager for that as he openly criticized Zarate for his below the par performances and this affected the player....but to think AW is prepared to part away 40 million euros for Zarate is quite overpriced and almost too good to be true!!!with that kind of money better we bid for Edin Dzeko!!!he's more suitable to the type of striker that AW needs and i really think Dzeko is worth that kind of money!!Dzeko for the win!!! thumbup.gif
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Just a simple question. Do you think he's better than Nicklas Bendtner?
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QUOTE(Aeroberg @ Jan 8 2010, 10:26 AM)
Just a simple question. Do you think he's better than Nicklas Bendtner?
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i'm serie a follower and have watch zarate in action (he oso score a spectacular one against my beloved juve lol doh.gif tongue.gif).
All i had to say dat he is different type of forward compared to Nicky... He's more technical & skillful forward.
He's more like RVP & Dudu though. And if AW wanna get him, i'd say it a good move for us smile.gif
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QUOTE(Zan81 @ Jan 7 2010, 11:41 PM)
As much as I hate to say it, Cesc will definitely be back in Spain within 2 seasons. Perhaps after EURO 2012?

Hopefully by then, Ramsey turns into a smashing player and tbh, I feel he's already on his way.
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It's hard to say whether Fabs will leave after he fulfills his current contract. The most comforting thing for us at the moment is that Fabs seems genuinely committed to the club (and Arsene) and has always come out first to refute any nonsensical claims by the Spanish media.

I believe when Arsene decides it's time to let Fabs go, it will be when:
(1) Fabs's reputation has surpassed the club and impeding/intimidating other players (like Titi)
(2) Fabs is in decline (?injury or age)
(3) A replacement is ready to step into le Capi's shoes (be it someone new or promoted from the rest of the squad)

Price shouldn't be a main factor in letting Fabs go. After all, other teams did offer near astronomical prices for Paddy and later Titi but they all got rejected. Both of them left for fees that are significantly less than previous offers when Arsene decides it's time to let go.

QUOTE(RyanAtwood @ Jan 8 2010, 08:56 AM)
good morning ppl!!!hahah...juz was about to post it....u beat me to it!! biggrin.gif ....so whatcha guys think about Mauro Zarate??i think he's not that bad when he played for Birmingham...but in Lazio last season he was good but this season his form dipped and i think we could blame a little the Lazio's manager for that as he openly criticized Zarate for his below the par performances and this affected the player....but to think AW is prepared to part away 40 million euros for Zarate is quite overpriced and almost too good to be true!!!with that kind of money better we bid for Edin Dzeko!!!he's more suitable to the type of striker that AW needs and i really think Dzeko is worth that kind of money!!Dzeko for the win!!! thumbup.gif
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All sorts of random names popping up it seems. The news are from the player's camp and if they know anything about transferring to Arsenal they should have shut the hell up. Making stuff public to garner more bids for jacking up the player's price will only deter Arsene.

On paper Zarate seem decent but not particularly impressive. If Arsene is unwilling to pay the reported 12-15M for Chamakh who has similar stats albeit in an arguably less competitive league, then he's very unlikely to fork out that amount of money for an unproven Zarate.

For now, it all seems like player-whoring by the agents more than anything else.

JET's very likely to extend his loan deal at Blackpool... Like Henri it'll do him much good with the additional playing time.
http://youngguns.wordpress.com/2010/01/07/...ond-loan-spell/

Paddy's aiming for a return to City... Are City the new Pompey where they grab hold of ex-Arsenal players? tongue.gif As much as I'd love to see Paddy in action once again, I'd hate to see him strengthening a rival team.

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post Jan 8 2010, 11:07 AM

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and i think he aint cup tied i guess
remember that! we need players with no cup tied. otherwise its as good as no signing.

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QUOTE(noir7559 @ Jan 8 2010, 10:43 AM)
i'm serie a follower and have watch zarate in action (he oso score a spectacular one against my beloved juve lol  doh.gif tongue.gif).
All i had to say dat he is different type of forward compared to Nicky... He's more technical & skillful forward.
He's more like RVP & Dudu though. And if AW wanna get him, i'd say it a good move for us smile.gif
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Since Zarate is more of a RVP or Dudu, then all the more reason not to get him. My thoughts is, Eduardo and Vela are the basically the same type of player. Add another one to that and I really don't know how to fit the first team. What we are currently lacking of is someone with a bit of physical presence like what RVP gave us before the injury. Unfortunately his ready made replacement in Bendtner is also out during the same period. If Bendtner returns next week as expected, then he will probably be the one to lead the attack. Getting a new player that can provide the same attribute would be much better.

That being said, I'm on the side of Wenger not buying anyone during this transfer window. We don't really need a a striker. I say, if fit, let's give Nicky a chance and let him play out the season and see how it goes. If he breaks, then his future may not lie at Arsenal afterall. But if he makes it, he will be a powerhouse of a striker. If Wenger intends to get someone, then I seriously hope it's for a central defender. Unless Senderos is still within his thoughts, let's find some back-up to Gallas and Vermaelen, both of which have played in every league and European matches. Wouldn't want them to get burnt out before the season ends.
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QUOTE(Quick` @ Jan 8 2010, 11:07 AM)
and i think he aint cup tied i guess
remember that! we need players with no cup tied. otherwise its as good as no signing.
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yeah truth... remember when AW signed Arshavin... sad.gif
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QUOTE(Kimie @ Jan 8 2010, 11:11 AM)
yeah truth... remember when AW signed Arshavin... sad.gif
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unless its a bargain or free transfer....can also
AW best value buy thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Aeroberg @ Jan 8 2010, 10:26 AM)
Just a simple question. Do you think he's better than Nicklas Bendtner?
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huhu...i do think Zarate is better than Bendtner in terms of goalscoring record and his finishing...Zarate likes to dribble and shoot from outside the box.....but Zarate playing style is more towards RVP n Dudu and he's not a target man when clearly Arsenal need one...but to spend 40 million on Zarate is a big no-no as I don't think he's worth that much!if under 10 million then maybe it's a good deal....so for me if indeed AW wants to spend more than 30 million on a forward....then no need to look further than this guy!!

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Dzeko in regular pose last season! nod.gif thumbup.gif rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(StarGhazzer @ Jan 8 2010, 11:05 AM)
Paddy's aiming for a return to City... Are City the new Pompey where they grab hold of ex-Arsenal players? tongue.gif As much as I'd love to see Paddy in action once again, I'd hate to see him strengthening a rival team.
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As much as I love Vieira, I don't see his return to the Premier League as one that can strengthen the opposition side. His powers have wane somewhat since his departure from Arsenal. While I was down in the dumps seeing him leave Arsenal, you have to admit that Wenger's timing in selling Vieira is spot on. I doubt he has the legs to go from box to box anymore, though he might still be able to put in the crunching tackles occasionally.

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QUOTE(Aeroberg @ Jan 8 2010, 11:07 AM)
Since Zarate is more of a RVP or Dudu, then all the more reason not to get him. My thoughts is, Eduardo and Vela are the basically the same type of player. Add another one to that and I really don't know how to fit the first team. What we are currently lacking of is someone with a bit of physical presence like what RVP gave us before the injury. Unfortunately his ready made replacement in Bendtner is also out during the same period. If Bendtner returns next week as expected, then he will probably be the one to lead the attack. Getting a new player that can provide the same attribute would be much better.

That being said, I'm on the side of Wenger not buying anyone during this transfer window. We don't really need a a striker. I say, if fit, let's give Nicky a chance and let him play out the season and see how it goes. If he breaks, then his future may not lie at Arsenal afterall. But if he makes it, he will be a powerhouse of a striker. If Wenger intends to get someone, then I seriously hope it's for a central defender. Unless Senderos is still within his thoughts, let's find some back-up to Gallas and Vermaelen, both of which have played in every league and European matches. Wouldn't want them to get burnt out before the season ends.
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I can't place any opinion on Zarate as I haven't seen him play, but Robin is a unique player that fits in perfectly with our current style and it would be hard for any player to emulate. Arsene has mentioned that it all depends on Nik's groin although le Boss's words to the media are hardly trustworthy. If we really are playing hardball with Bordeaux for a free Chamakh this coming summer, then it's more unlikely that we're going to buy a striker this January.

On the point of Nik, I believe the talks of whether he will make it or not is premature. He's another player that has been with us for so long that people tend to forget his tender age. I admit that I'm one of his biggest fans hence I might sound biased, but the sky's the limit for Nik. From a lanky tall battering ram in his early days, he has gradually developed other aspects such as passing and playmaking. He has the physique and power of Adebayor, the flicks of Robin, and most importantly his Flaminiesque determination and work rate. Of course, there's much for him to improve especially his touch and passing but these will come as he gets more games.

The media often portrays him as an arrogant brat but I feel that it is only because he is confident and straight forward like Arshavin. He has always stated his desire to stay and fight for his place and Arsene truly does entrust him with opportunities (although preferring him on the RW this season rather than upfront). It's highly unlikely that Arsene will sell Nik or bring someone in to impede his progress, and if Nik himself chooses to leave it'll only be another case of Bentleyitis.

Dzeko Dzeko Dzeko... everybody is going gaga over him. There's just too many teams going for him and Wolfsburg has the luxury of playing hardball. Once this turns into a bidding war we're going to be the first one out. My gut feeling says this is another case of Benzema - all talk and no show, then finally someone offers a stupidly high price and gets him.
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QUOTE(RyanAtwood @ Jan 8 2010, 11:13 AM)
huhu...i do think Zarate is better than Bendtner in terms of goalscoring record and his finishing...Zarate likes to dribble and shoot from outside the box.....but Zarate playing style is more towards RVP n Dudu and he's not a target man when clearly Arsenal need one...but to spend 40 million on Zarate is a big no-no as I don't think he's worth that much!if under 10 million then maybe it's a good deal....so for me if indeed AW wants to spend more than 30 million on a forward....then no need to look further than this guy!!

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Dzeko in regular pose last season! nod.gif  thumbup.gif  rclxms.gif
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dude, was the gk on the pics was the late robert enke?

and about 40m price tag for zarate...i too think dat was overpriced for someone who doesn't had a single national team(he did features for u-20) cap
on his name(oso he's quite off form dis season..maybe due to lazio internal prob). But dzeko really the one we're seeking rite now,
but unfortunately he's cup tied. sad.gif
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QUOTE(StarGhazzer @ Jan 8 2010, 11:29 AM)
I can't place any opinion on Zarate as I haven't seen him play, but Robin is a unique player that fits in perfectly with our current style and it would be hard for any player to emulate. Arsene has mentioned that it all depends on Nik's groin although le Boss's words to the media are hardly trustworthy. If we really are playing hardball with Bordeaux for a free Chamakh this coming summer, then it's more unlikely that we're going to buy a striker this January.

On the point of Nik, I believe the talks of whether he will make it or not is premature. He's another player that has been with us for so long that people tend to forget his tender age. I admit that I'm one of his biggest fans hence I might sound biased, but the sky's the limit for Nik. From a lanky tall battering ram in his early days, he has gradually developed other aspects such as passing and playmaking. He has the physique and power of Adebayor, the flicks of Robin, and most importantly his Flaminiesque determination and work rate. Of course, there's much for him to improve especially his touch and passing but these will come as he gets more games.

The media often portrays him as an arrogant brat but I feel that it is only because he is confident and straight forward like Arshavin. He has always stated his desire to stay and fight for his place and Arsene truly does entrust him with opportunities (although preferring him on the RW this season rather than upfront). It's highly unlikely that Arsene will sell Nik or bring someone in to impede his progress, and if Nik himself chooses to leave it'll only be another case of Bentleyitis.

Dzeko Dzeko Dzeko... everybody is going gaga over him. There's just too many teams going for him and Wolfsburg has the luxury of playing hardball. Once this turns into a bidding war we're going to be the first one out. My gut feeling says this is another case of Benzema - all talk and no show, then finally someone offers a stupidly high price and gets him.
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Bro SG and Aeroberg....i do agree that Nik will be a great player in the future....i do fancy him being our main striker for years to come as I have been following him since he burst onto the scene when he was loaned out to Birmingham a few years back.....he definitely has all the necessary qualities to become an awesome striker in the future...he just need to get a run of games and goals too...but he does offer other aspects of the games like Bro SG mentioned....about Dzeko i always hope that he would come to us but now in football world money talks so as Bro SG pointed out....Arsenal will be the first one to bow out of the bidding race..... sad.gif

QUOTE(noir7559 @ Jan 8 2010, 11:30 AM)
@off topic
dude, was the gk on the pics was the late robert enke?

and about 40m price tag for zarate...i too think dat was overpriced for someone who doesn't had a single national team(he did features for u-20) cap
on his name(oso he's quite off form dis season..maybe due to lazio internal prob). But dzeko really the one we're seeking rite now,
but unfortunately he's cup tied. sad.gif
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no bro....robert enke is more taller and judging from the side of the gk's face and his body frame....im pretty sure it's not him....if AW can find another type of player like Dzeko i would not mind seeing that AW's skills in spotting unknown players and turning them into great players is the best in the world!!!!in AW i trust!!
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QUOTE(RyanAtwood @ Jan 8 2010, 11:42 AM)
if AW can find another type of player like Dzeko i would not mind seeing that AW's skills in spotting unknown players and turning them into great players is the best in the world!!!!in AW i trust!!
Agreed...in AW we trust...

P/s Really wanted to see Henry wear the Gunners Jersey again.... but aiyaaa...

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