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post Dec 14 2005, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(Mr.LKM @ Dec 8 2005, 05:42 PM)
You can't compare a PS3 to Xbox. Moreover, the first launch of PS3 won't be having many games for you to choose. However, the price of PS3 will be very high. You should take a look of xbox360, it's worth for you to check out.  smile.gif
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Not wishing to start any argument but:

(1) Nobody knows HOW MANY GAMES will PS3 have at launch right now.

(2) No price has been confirmed yet, but it'll generally be higher than XBOX360 which is expected since newer console are always price higher than a console launched a year earlier. This has been historical statistic.

One thing for sure though, XBOX360 launch in Japan is surely lacklustre given the lack of Japanese market specific titles...heck i wonder why they even bother to launch there without a killer Japanese RPG!!!

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Interesting read of XBOX 360 launch in Japan.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/675/675386p1.html

It seems like it did even WORST than the old XBOX in the first few days... shocking.gif

Also, "used" unit already available! And the software/hardware ratio is 0.91 meaning people are buying the hardware without any games (except the bundled FFXI Beta)....weird....

I guess until a killer JRPG appears, nothing will change much.


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post Dec 15 2005, 12:14 AM

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I have nothing against Sony (am waiting equally breathlessly for the Revo AND PS3) but sometimes their PR people can sound kinda...dumb.

PS3 the ONLY HD console in town

So what does this mean? That anyone who forked out for a 1080i HDTV won't be part of the HD era? That without 1080p there is no enjoyment? I seriously think the PS3 will be an awesome console without having to resort to stupid comments like that one.
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heheh i would really be impressed if Sony can actually deliver their initial promise of dual 1080p HD outputs at playable frame rates. See the problem is, the console supports that resolution, but if the games don't, then it's going to be quite a joke. I'm still quite skeptical about their claims thus far.

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QUOTE(Lord_Ashe @ Dec 15 2005, 12:14 AM)
I have nothing against Sony (am waiting equally breathlessly for the Revo AND PS3) but sometimes their PR people can sound kinda...dumb.

PS3 the ONLY HD console in town

So what does this mean? That anyone who forked out for a 1080i HDTV won't be part of the HD era? That without 1080p there is no enjoyment? I seriously think the PS3 will be an awesome console without having to resort to stupid comments like that one.
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i think he is reffering to the 360's limited functionality... smile.gif

IF the PS3 delivers what it promises,then it would be the only console(provided M$ dont upgrade the 360) to feature 100% pure HD content.(games,movies,Disc format) while the 360 would be limited to HD games which are played on NON HD(normal dvd) media...(hope u get wat i mean here.. blush.gif )
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QUOTE(Mgsrulz @ Dec 15 2005, 06:57 AM)
i think he is reffering to the 360's limited functionality... smile.gif

IF the PS3 delivers what it promises,then it would be the only console(provided M$ dont upgrade the 360) to feature 100% pure HD content.(games,movies,Disc format) while the 360 would be limited to HD games which are played on NON HD(normal dvd) media...(hope u get wat i mean here.. blush.gif )
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LoL I get what you mean. So yeah, let's all hold our breaths and hope Sony pulls off this big IF, hehehe tongue.gif

After all is said and done, it's all still gonna be about the games. I'd play a kickass 720p game anytime rather than a gorgeous 1080p dual screen game with sucky controls... but if it works, more power to us!
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QUOTE(Lord_Ashe @ Dec 15 2005, 09:09 AM)
LoL I get what you mean. So yeah, let's all hold our breaths and hope Sony pulls off this big IF, hehehe  tongue.gif

After all is said and done, it's all still gonna be about the games. I'd play a kickass 720p game anytime rather than a gorgeous 1080p dual screen game with sucky controls... but if it works, more power to us!
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it boils down to the games.. and u know sony won't dissapoint with their back supported by the japanese game maker... don't worry, SONY has a big mouth.. also big 3rd party support!
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QUOTE(Lord_Ashe @ Dec 15 2005, 09:09 AM)
LoL I get what you mean. So yeah, let's all hold our breaths and hope Sony pulls off this big IF, hehehe  tongue.gif

After all is said and done, it's all still gonna be about the games. I'd play a kickass 720p game anytime rather than a gorgeous 1080p dual screen game with sucky controls... but if it works, more power to us!
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yeah,it all gonna be about the games..

but even now the announced games are making me drool....mgs4... drool.gif

QUOTE(prazole @ Dec 15 2005, 01:21 PM)
it boils down to the games.. and u know sony won't dissapoint with their back supported by the japanese game maker... don't worry, SONY has a big mouth.. also big 3rd party support!
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they might be cut short on FF,though as i heard Square Enix are planning on making it multi console...(theyre still not sure whether to release the game on 1 console or both next gen consoles.. laugh.gif )
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I don't think FF franchise or Dragon quest will ever fall under xb360 platform. The most it would be new titles like the one made for Gamecube.
I mean...it's goto be teasing from square enix to sony "you don't pay us more, we will merajuk"

For me, what i like abt xb360 is that they have made it a entertainment hub that you can't...survive if it isn't connect to the net. Like now PC, if you got no modem...it's pretty much dead. No www.lowyat.net laugh.gif

J. Allard and Kaz Hirai on 360 and PS3
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Pretty good read.
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QUOTE(Lord_Ashe @ Dec 15 2005, 09:09 AM)
LoL I get what you mean. So yeah, let's all hold our breaths and hope Sony pulls off this big IF, hehehe  tongue.gif

After all is said and done, it's all still gonna be about the games. I'd play a kickass 720p game anytime rather than a gorgeous 1080p dual screen game with sucky controls... but if it works, more power to us!
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Yeah...i still think SONY is hyping up the 1080p just to be "one up better" than the competitor 1080i.

Firstly, there isn't even any 1080p display available locally. Even if it's available, most people probably can't afford it except the few rich person. Furthermore...DUAL 1080p??
WTH...one 1080p already enough to break the bank, want dual somemore ah??

I don't think developers will be jumping on-board to support dual 1080p, so the most you have is 1080p support for the games. And as for how good really is 1080p vs 1080i and 720p...is the difference really significant enough?? I dunno...

Looking at the games screenshot so far, both MS and SONY can mumbo jumbo their tech spec all they want, but i think in terms of image quality, both are about the same...after all it's from Nvidia and ATI and both companies are about equivalent currently in the PC market in terms of quality...frankly, they're both darn good.

Unless the PS3 can really muscle up some hidden processing power, i don't see it being significantly superior to the XBOX360 in terms of hardware.(unless they still got lots of stuff hidden from public...who knows).

But it's the games that'll win all the PS3 fans...FF, DMC, RE, MGS4 and a boatload of JRPGs....that's what i wanna play.

btw...i wonder what's the Revolution max resolution...480p??



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QUOTE(PrivateJohn @ Dec 15 2005, 09:47 PM)
Nice link PJ.

And rejoiced PS fans!!! That batarang thing is just WIP!!! Guess just about EVERYBODY hates the thing and SONY is seriously going to redesign the thingy!!! LOL.

Down with Batarangs!!!!! flex.gif

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post Dec 24 2005, 11:53 AM

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Here's an interesting opinion read. And i actually tend to agree with some of the points.

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=59133
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Last Thursday night, I spent the best part of eight hours sat at my PC watching Xbox 360 launch, continually gossiping with some of you about the various rumours doing the rounds, getting excited about leaks, scans and previously unseen details, and eventually erupting with delight as the whole picture became clear and I had J Allard marching around my desktop waving his disco fingers and telling me that everything I'd thought was true for weeks and months was, in fact, true.

I woke up the following morning very excited. I wanted an Xbox 360. A lot. But I was a little wary. It definitely wasn't a mainstream console. It felt a bit like a console gunning for a subset of a subset - effectively legalising the "chipped" Xbox's finest features, slapping in what PJ McNealy rather astutely labelled a "broadband cash register", and making the whole thing so fully featured, customisable and comprehensive for Xbox Live users that the hardcore Xbox following rightly woke up with me thinking "that's exactly what I was after".

But for all Microsoft's crowing about the "HD era" and dragging the console toward the mainstream, the company has made a pretty substantial HD error; it hasn't actually given us the next generation of gaming technology. Despite supporting virtually everything we could want, it doesn't do it all out of the box and to a high enough standard. Having sat through Sony's exhausting and meticulously detailed conference in LA's Culver City this afternoon, I can tell you with some certainty that PlayStation 3 does these things.
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Microsoft was right; this next generation is about high definition, but Sony's going to be the standard bearer. PS3 is ridiculously powerful. It supports progressive scan up to 1080p - significantly better than the Xbox 360's top-end 1080 interlaced resolution - and can do it on two screens at once. It can do things graphically that PCs cannot do, let alone Xbox 360. And things that PCs won't be able to do at least until after the console launches next spring. Xbox 360 games look like high-end PC games; gorgeous, but like games. EA was standing at the PS3 conference talking about dumping status indicators in its Fight Night boxing game because you won't need to look anywhere but the other guy's face to tell what the score is. And we could see the truth of that. When games look so realistic that you don't need status bars, the average person who has no idea about them is likely to have their interest piqued.

Equally thanks to its utterly comprehensive support of every conceivable format, form of media playback and more. The new IP camera will basically let you whack up live video streams wherever you are. It's compatible with everything: PS1 games, PS2 games, EyeToy, PSP (and, as Rob suggested to me earlier, you wouldn't bet against PS3 wirelessly streaming video to the PSP as a kind of remote video handset), Memory Stick, wireless networks, and so on. Xbox 360 does things like this, but it's "ready" to do most of them, rather than doing them out of the box. The only wildcard is online gaming; Sony screwed that up with PS2 Online, which is a woeful service next to Live, and will need to make serious amends with PS3. But when everything else seems so right, it's hard to imagine them letting that slip twice.

But the real reason PlayStation 3 is now far and away the console I'm most looking forward to of these two is simply the games. I didn't wake up last Friday and think "I can't wait to play Xbox 360"; I woke up wanting to own one. Preferably with a Eurogamer faceplate on it. I will wake up tomorrow (or later today for those of you reading this in the UK) wanting to PlayStation 3. And half the stuff I want is brand new; MotorStorm is making my head spin and Eyedentity could be extraordinary. And I honestly want to play Killzone most of all, despite Killzone on PS2 being a game I find soul destroying to even watch someone else play.

Perhaps the biggest blow for Microsoft though isn't that PlayStation 3 is absurdly powerful by comparison, or that it seems to do everything Xbox 360 is talking about as its USPs without those features even making the first page of the press release, or that it seems to have the support of every major company to a far greater degree, or that it has an enormous software line-up already, or that it... Well you get the picture. A console can win through that with decent direction and software; hence PS2 winning the last round.

What's going to be a huge blow is that having spent at least the last couple of years watching its share of the multi-platform market grow and Nintendo's dwindle and Sony's erode slightly, as Xbox proved the best platform for most of those titles, PS3 is not only going to be the platform most developers pin their banner to first in the next generation; the games are actually going to look better this time too. And with that, it's hard to take seriously Microsoft's assertion that it can be number one in this generation. You know what? Frankly, going on what I've seen so far, I'm not even convinced Xbox 360 and PS3 are the same generation.
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Dec 24 2005, 11:53 AM)
Microsoft was right; this next generation is about high definition, but Sony's going to be the standard bearer. PS3 is ridiculously powerful. It supports progressive scan up to 1080p - significantly better than the Xbox 360's top-end 1080 interlaced resolution - and can do it on two screens at once. It can do things graphically that PCs cannot do, let alone Xbox 360. And things that PCs won't be able to do at least until after the console launches next spring. Xbox 360 games look like high-end PC games; gorgeous, but like games. EA was standing at the PS3 conference talking about dumping status indicators in its Fight Night boxing game because you won't need to look anywhere but the other guy's face to tell what the score is. And we could see the truth of that. When games look so realistic that you don't need status bars, the average person who has no idea about them is likely to have their interest piqued.
i'm not sure about outputting 2 1080p display at once. but even if PS3 capable of it, almost zero home have one 1080p TV, let alone 2 1080p TV. and would SONY integrated such costly capabilities that no one would use? and last time SONY promise with PS2 you could see each single hair movement thanks to it's Emotion Engine, to date i haven't see any game to back-up such claim.

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What's going to be a huge blow is that having spent at least the last couple of years watching its share of the multi-platform market grow and Nintendo's dwindle and Sony's erode slightly, as Xbox proved the best platform for most of those titles, PS3 is not only going to be the platform most developers pin their banner to first in the next generation; the games are actually going to look better this time too. And with that, it's hard to take seriously Microsoft's assertion that it can be number one in this generation. You know what? Frankly, going on what I've seen so far, I'm not even convinced Xbox 360 and PS3 are the same generation.
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MS has done something that SONY haven't done since PS2, that is to make it easier for programmer to make games.
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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Dec 27 2005, 07:19 PM)
i'm not sure about outputting 2 1080p display at once. but even if PS3 capable of it, almost zero home have one 1080p TV, let alone 2 1080p TV. and would SONY integrated such costly capabilities that no one would use? and last time SONY promise with PS2 you could see each single hair movement thanks to it's Emotion Engine, to date i haven't see any game to back-up  such claim.

MS has done something that SONY haven't done since PS2, that is to make it easier for programmer to make games.
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Yep. I agreed with you about the 1080p. It's a lot of hogwash. And the EE was a joke. But what i can readily agree about the opinion there is that MS has actually remove all the advantages of the current gen from the XBOX360...like best platform for multi-platform games ( i always buy the XBOX version if it's available coz it's usually the best version), best sound hardware ( 1st time experience with DD 5.1 real-time encoding in a console ).

Now, the PS3 will retain all it's software support advantages + tons of backlog of PS2 software library and now...possibly the better hardware (due to it being released later, naturally).

As for whether a platform is easy to code or not is really not my concern...i just play games. smile.gif If there's a boatload of developers readily develop software for the PS2 despite being so freaking hard to code for, i think these whiners will probably do the same for PS3...and keep on whining about it. Not my problem really.

btw, just read EA's comment somewhere who received the PS3 SDK and has mentioned that it's easy to code for. I don't think SONY is stupid enough to make the same mistake twice. They've already loads of SDK tech signed up including the Havok and Ageis(?? can't remember name) for the physics SDK.

What i can see is, SONY will still have the vastly better 3rd party software support(more important than anything else) and now + (possibly) superior hardware + (hopefully) easy to develop for SDK. How can it lose?

Also, MS is pissing me off for killing off the XBOX too early (don't expect anymore major titles next year...probably will cease XBOX software development sometime next year, since the hardware production already stopped). SONY has a better history of supporting their last gen console longer and the PS2 will probably have another year of life after the PS3 launch...well into 2007. The XBOX was launched later than the PS2 yet live an expected shorter life.

The only MS advantage i see is XBOX Live, but since i dun fancy online games , it's not a concern. Also, SONY might have something up it's sleeve in online gaming...if it's FREE (quite likely according to reports), i don't see why anyone should pay for XBOX Live. Sure, it may not be as fancy with truckload of features as XBOX Live, but if it works, decent enough and FREE, i can see it winning a lot of people over.


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QUOTE(Matrix @ Dec 28 2005, 09:44 AM)
Yep. I agreed with you about the 1080p. It's a lot of hogwash. And the EE was a joke. But what i can readily agree about the opinion there is that MS has actually remove all the advantages of the current gen from the XBOX360...like best platform for multi-platform games ( i always buy the XBOX version if it's available coz it's usually the best version), best sound hardware ( 1st time experience with DD 5.1 real-time encoding in a console ).

Now, the PS3 will retain all it's software support advantages + tons of backlog of PS2 software library and now...possibly the better hardware (due to it being released later, naturally).

As for whether a platform is easy to code or not is really not my concern...i just play games. smile.gif If there's a boatload of developers readily develop software for the PS2 despite being so freaking hard to code for, i think these whiners will probably do the same for PS3...and keep on whining about it. Not my problem really.
judging by the specs, sure PS3 will have better graphic and probably better physic and AI. but if the developer shying away from the console like how N64 was because there's already PS1 which is a easier platform.

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btw, just read EA's comment somewhere who received the PS3 SDK and has mentioned that it's easy to code for. I don't think SONY is stupid enough to make the same mistake twice. They've already loads of SDK tech signed up including the Havok and Ageis(?? can't remember name) for the physics SDK.

What i can see is, SONY will still have the vastly better 3rd party software support(more important than anything else) and now + (possibly) superior hardware + (hopefully) easy to develop for SDK. How can it lose?
if PS3 really was easy to code for then it's good for developer. but since PS3 at the latest will be launch almost one year after xb360, they will lose some share of it. and because of spec was too great PS3 price wouldn't be anywhere near xb360, unless SONY willing to lose big buck for each console (i doubt they would). another factor is the Blu-Ray disc, because the technology was still at it's early stage one disc might cost game producer USD5 compare to DVD9 which is <USD1. when a game was sold for USD60, cutting off USD5 from profit is alot.

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Also, MS is pissing me off for killing off the XBOX too early (don't expect anymore major titles next year...probably will cease XBOX software development sometime next year, since the hardware production already stopped).  SONY has a better history of supporting their last gen console longer and the PS2 will probably have another year of life after the PS3 launch...well into 2007. The XBOX was launched later than the PS2 yet live an expected shorter life.

The only MS advantage i see is XBOX Live, but since i dun fancy online games , it's not a concern. Also, SONY might have something up it's sleeve in online gaming...if it's FREE (quite likely according to reports), i don't see why anyone should pay for XBOX  Live. Sure, it may not be as fancy with truckload of features as XBOX Live, but if it works, decent enough and FREE, i can see it winning a lot of people over.
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xbox is really like a beta console for MS to try. supporting the last gen console was really because there wasn't much games to be played for latest console, now that PS2 has wide range of games to choose from did you ever play back any PS1 game? it's the same, after 2-3 years from PS3 launch, nobody going to play their PS2 game anymore. i doubt SONY would give online gaming for free if they want to compete with xbox live!, to maintain such fast and powerful server will require alot of budget. and gamemaker has always follow this rule, only lose money on the console, everything else make huge profit.
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This would be oh so awesome if this stayed true for not just BLu-Ray'd movies but games as well. According to IT Media and GamersReports, Japan, the US and East Asia will share the same Blu-Ray reigon code. Meaning that you won't have to do any kind of tom foolery to get your Aisan imported media to play on your US device, and vice versa. While the Playstation 3 doesn't get mentioned specifically, I would think it would be safe to assume that since the Playstation 3 will be a Blu-Ray console, you would be able to play only-released-in-Japan Playstation 3 games on your US bought Playstation 3 console. I would think it would be safe to assume that, but then again, I'm no fortune teller. We'll see how this pans out but it would be pretty cool if my assumptions were correct. As for Europe? You guys get the shaft...again. You'll share the same reigon code as Africa but a different one that the big three that were previously metioned (see above and quit skipping thru articles moron).


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While the Playstation 3 doesn't get mentioned specifically, I would think it would be safe to assume that since the Playstation 3 will be a Blu-Ray console, you would be able to play only-released-in-Japan Playstation 3 games on your US bought Playstation 3 console.
the Blu-Ray region code are probably only for the movie. most probably won't happen for PS3 games. starting from PS1 era SONY have different region code for japan and US games.
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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Dec 28 2005, 11:47 AM)
judging by the specs, sure PS3 will have better graphic and probably better physic and AI. but if the developer shying away from the console like how N64 was because there's already PS1 which is a easier platform.
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History has proved that this didn't happened. The DC was easier to code for. It died very fast. XBOX was even easier, being basically a port of Direct X. Developers didn't flock to them either. GC...okay, i won't even be bothered.

QUOTE(xxboxx @ Dec 28 2005, 11:47 AM)
if PS3 really was easy to code for then it's good for developer. but since PS3 at the latest will be launch almost one year after xb360, they will lose some share of it. and because of spec was too great PS3 price wouldn't be anywhere near xb360, unless SONY willing to lose big buck for each console (i doubt they would). another factor is the Blu-Ray disc, because the technology was still at it's early stage one disc might cost game producer USD5 compare to DVD9 which is <USD1. when a game was sold for USD60, cutting off USD5 from profit is alot.
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Yep. The PS3 will definitely be more expensive, it's a given being later to market. And yes, it'll cost developer more to develop for Blu-Ray disc but i don't think it's COMPULSORY for them to distribute their game in Blu-Ray format if their data is only say 4GB. If i'm not wrong PS3 is also backward compatible with DVD-ROM format...otherwise, how else is it going to read those PS2 DVDs!!! smile.gif


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QUOTE(Matrix @ Dec 29 2005, 04:46 PM)
History has proved that this didn't happened. The DC was easier to code for. It died very fast. XBOX was even easier, being basically a port of Direct X. Developers didn't flock to them either. GC...okay, i won't even be bothered.
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The 1up got the dreamcast 2.0 article, it's pretty good article comparing DC to xbox. DC online also like a dead horse...
Xbox also came into the market very late with no choice but to bump up the hardware and selling at a loss...
So microsoft is definitely in a very very much better position as we can see with the better software dev support.

Anyway something tells me microsoft is eyeing Nintendo as you can see from most of the interview & such...they are like very positive with nintendo. Like the recent 1up interview with peter moore..."i love mario" doh.gif
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QUOTE(PrivateJohn @ Dec 29 2005, 05:05 PM)
The 1up got the dreamcast 2.0 article, it's pretty good article comparing DC to xbox. DC online also like a dead horse...
Xbox also came into the market very late with no choice but to bump up the hardware and selling at a loss...
So microsoft is definitely in a very very much better position as we can see with the better software dev support.

Anyway something tells me microsoft is eyeing Nintendo as you can see from most of the interview & such...they are like very positive with nintendo. Like the recent 1up interview with peter moore..."i love mario" doh.gif
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I love Mario! laugh.gif . Maybe Microsoft will buy some share of Nintendo, who knows? rolleyes.gif
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