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post Dec 14 2009, 02:02 AM, updated 16y ago

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~The Home Of Liverpool Supporters~


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Liverpool Football Club

Founded: 1892

Founded by: John Houlding

Nickname: The Reds

Ground : Anfield

Chairman:
Tom Hicks (co-chairman)
George Gillett (co-chairman)

Manager :
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Rafael Benítez

Assistant Manager:
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Sammy Lee

Captain:
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Steven Gerrard

Vice Captain:
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Jamie Carragher
League Champions -----> 18
1900-01 ; 1905-06 ; 1921-22 ; 1922-23 ; 1946-47 ; 1963-64 ; 1965-66
1972-73 ; 1975-76 ; 1976-77 ; 1978-79 ; 1979-80 ; 1981-82 ; 1982-83
1983-84 ; 1985-86 ; 1987-88 ; 1989-90

Division Two Winners -----> 4
1893-94 ; 1895-96 ; 1904-05 ; 1961-62

Lancashire League Winners -----> 1
1892-93

Football Association Challenge Cup Winners -----> 7
1964-65 ; 1973-74 ; 1985-86 ; 1988-89 ; 1991-92
2000-01 ; 2005-06

League Cup Winners -----> 7
1980-81 ; 1981-82 ; 1982-83 ; 1983-84 ; 1994-95
2000-01 ; 2002-03

Football Association Charity Shield Winners -----> 15
1964* ; 1965* ; 1966 ; 1974 ; 1976 ; 1977* ; 1979 ; 1980 ; 1982
1986* ; 1988 ; 1989 ; 1990* ; 2001 ; 2006 ( * shared)

European Cup Winners -----> 5
1976-77 ; 1977-78 ; 1980-81 ; 1983-84 ; 2004-05

UEFA Cup Winners -----> 3
1972-73 ; 1975-76 ; 2000-01

European Super Cup Winners -----> 3
1977 ; 2001 ; 2005

Super Cup Winners -----> 1
1985-86

Carlsberg Trophy -----> 3
1997-98 ; 1998-99 ; 1999-2000

Reserves Division One Winners -----> 16
1956-57 ; 1968-69 ; 1969-70 ; 1970-71 ; 1972-73 ; 1973-74 ; 1974-75
1975-76 ; 1976-77 ; 1978-79 ; 1980-81 ; 1981-82 ; 1983-84 ; 1984-85
1989-90 ; 1999-2000

FA Youth Cup Winners -----> 3
1995-96 ; 2005-06 ; 2006-07

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When you walk through a storm hold your head up high
And don't be afraid of the dark.
At the end of a storm is a golden sky
And the sweet silver song of a lark.
Walk on through the wind,
Walk on through the rain,
Tho' your dreams be tossed and blown.
Walk on, walk on with hope in your heart
And you'll never walk alone,
You'll never, ever walk alone.

Walk on, walk on with hope in your heart
And you'll never walk alone,
You'll never, ever walk alone.


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The History


1959 - Shankly appointed manager

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December 1st 1959 is a date that will forever be etched in the annals of Anfield history. For it was on this day that Liverpool Football Club announced Huddersfield Town boss Bill Shankly would be their new manager in succession to Phil Taylor.


On his appointment he released 24 players and began to reshape the team.Promotion to the First Division was achieved in 1961–62, and the club won the League for the first time in 17 years in 1963–64. Another League title followed in 1965–66, after the club had won their first FA Cup the previous season. The club won the League and UEFA Cup in 1972–73 and the FA Cup again a year later; after this, Shankly retired and was replaced by his assistant Bob Paisley.Paisley was even more successful than Shankly and the club won the League and UEFA Cup in 1975–76, his second season as manager. The following season they retained the League title, won the European Cup for the first time, but lost in the FA Cup final, narrowly missing out on a treble. Liverpool retained the European Cup the next season, and the season after won the League again with 68 points—a domestic record, conceding only 16 goals in 42 league matches.During the nine seasons Paisley managed the club, Liverpool won 21 trophies, including three European Cups, a UEFA Cup, six league titles and three consecutive League Cups. The only domestic trophy to elude him was the FA Cup.

Paisley retired in 1983 and (as Shankly had done) handed the reins to his assistant, veteran coach Joe Fagan. The succession of coaches came from the Anfield Boot Room where the Liverpool staff discussed strategy and allegedly stored gin.[10] Liverpool won three trophies in Fagan's first season in charge: the League, League Cup and European Cup, becoming the first English side to win three trophies in a season.Liverpool reached the European Cup final again in 1985. The match was against Juventus at the Heysel Stadium. Before kick-off, disaster struck: Liverpool fans breached a fence which separated the two groups of supporters and charged the Juventus fans. The resulting weight of people caused a retaining wall to collapse, killing 39 fans, mostly Italians. The match was played regardless and Liverpool lost 1–0 to Juventus. English clubs were consequently banned from participating in European competition for five years; Liverpool received a ten-year ban, which was later reduced to six years. Fourteen of their fans received convictions for involuntary manslaughter.
The statue of former manager Bill Shankly, outside Anfield

Fagan resigned after the disaster and Kenny Dalglish was appointed as player-manager.During his reign, the club won another three League Championships and two FA Cups, including a League and Cup "Double" in 1985–86. Liverpool's success was overshadowed by the Hillsborough Disaster: in an FA Cup semi-final against Nottingham Forest on 15 April 1989, hundreds of Liverpool fans were crushed. 94 fans died that day; the 95th victim died in hospital from his injuries four days later, and the 96th died nearly four years later without regaining consciousness. After the Hillsborough tragedy there was a governmental review of stadium safety. Known as the Taylor Report, it paved the way for legislation which required top-division teams to have all-seater stadiums. The report ruled that the main reason for the disaster was overcrowding due to a failure of police control.Dalglish cited the Hillsborough Disaster and its repercussions as the reason for his resignation in 1991. He was replaced by former player Graeme Souness. Apart from winning the FA Cup in 1992, Souness achieved little success and was replaced by a former member of the "Boot Room", Roy Evans. Evans fared little better: a League Cup victory in 1995 was his only trophy. Gérard Houllier was appointed as co-manager in 1998–99, but was left in sole charge after Evans resigned in November 1998.

In his second season in charge Liverpool won a unique treble of the FA Cup, League Cup and UEFA Cup.In the 2001-02 season, during which Houllier underwent major heart surgery, Liverpool finished second behind Arsenal.The following seasons failed to live up to expectations and Houllier was replaced by Rafael Benítez. The club finished fifth in his first season in charge but won the UEFA Champions League by beating Milan 3–2 in a penalty shootout after the match finished 3–3.The following season Liverpool finished third with 82 points—their highest total since 1988. They won the FA Cup as they had the Champions League victory the previous season, by beating West Ham United in penalty shootout after the match finished at 3–3. In 2006–07, the club's search for investment came to an end when American businessmen George Gillett and Tom Hicks became the owners of Liverpool in a deal which valued the club and its outstanding debts at £218.9 million. That season, the club reached another Champions League final, but this time lost 2–1 to Milan
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Liverpool Squad Season 08/09
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First team players

Goalkeepers:
(25) Pepe Reina
(1) Diego Cavalieri
(30) Charles Itandje
(40) David Martin
(41) Martin Hansen
(42) Peter Gulacsi
Defenders:
(38) Andrea Dossena
(22) Emiliano Insúa
(12) Fábio Aurélio
(5) Daniel Agger
(23) Jamie Carragher
(37) Martin Škrtel
(16)Sotirios Kyrgiakos
(2) Glen Johnson
(27) Philipp Degen
(32) Stephen Darby
(34) Martin Kelly
(51) Mikel San Jose
(52) Daniel Ayala
(36) Steve Irwin
Midfielders:
(11) Albert Riera
( 4)Alberto Aquilani
(15) Yossi Benayoun
(8) Steven Gerrard
(20) Javier Mascherano
(21) Lucas Leiva
(28) Damien Plessis
(26) Jay Spearing
(31) Nabil El Zhar
(35) Ryan Flynn

Strikers:

(9) Fernando Torres
(18) Dirk Kuyt
(24) David N'Gog
(19) Ryan Babel
(10) Andriy Voronin
(39) Nathan Eccleston
(50) Daniel Pacheco
(29) Krisztian Nemeth

Players Out On Loan:
Season 09/10 Fixtures

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LFC Top Scorer for Premier League


Fernando "El Nino" Torres 10
Black Horse Dirk Kuyt 3
Yossi "The Messi" Benayoun 3
Steven "Captain Marvel" Gerrard 3
Glen "Super Wingback" Johnson 2
David N'Gog 2
Ryan Babel 2


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The Quotes


Rafa Benitez

On Jose Mourinho,Pre-match press conference before Chelsea 2nd leg
"He is a good manager,yes, but he will lose tomorrow"

On finishing fifth
"I know being in the top four of the Premier League is very important, but you will never see any club honours list recording an historic fourth place in the Premier League."

On King Luis' "ghost goal"

"Luis said to me that as he turned away, he was right on the line, and he said the ball was over the line. And after the game my secretary Sheila, who was sitting right in line in the main stand, said to me that the ball had crossed the line. She is a very honest person and that was good enough for me. It was a goal."

On Robben's play acting
"Sorry i must hurry i am to the hospital to see Robben, maybe his neck is broke, maybe if Reina had of reacted like that when gallas touched him his neck would be broke also"

On Robbie "God" Fowler
"People can talk about having a lot of money to buy players but we've just signed a player with a passion and a heart for this club that no amount of money can buy."

"I think he is going to be a big asset for us. I know he is glad to have signed as he has taught me a new English phrase about being over the moon!"


In response to rumours over his future at anfield and a possible move to Real Madrid
I am very happy here for sure, my family is very happy here too, we are settled very well. my youngest daughter speaks alot of english now, more so even than spanish, and she speaks with scouse accent so i cannot understand her (beaming smile) but she also speaks alot of spanish, or sometimes even gets mixed up and speaks alot of spanglish

In response to Fergie's claim that Liverpool only play 5 minutes football in the victory

"If we can win a game in five minutes against a top team just think how much more terrible damage there would be if we played for the other 85 minutes."


On King Luis

"He's always a player from whom you can expect something different. If you're struggling in a game you can either do two things, send your centre back up front as a centre forward or use Luis Garcia between the lines."

On Liverpool Supporters
"Before, I said that they were maybe the best supporters in England.Now maybe they are the best supporters in Europe if not the World."

Humorous reply to the media on Fowler
Q:"If Robbie scores the winner against Chelsea, will he get a new contract?"

A:" No. No he won't .......He is cup tied."


On his poor English(1st season)
I'm not here to speak English.I'm here to win trophies.

'As I have said many times, I've come here to win trophies, not to learn English'.


His typical, repetitive answers

"this is our idea"

"....we will have more control over situations, and this will give us more possiblilities...."

We could have score more.

We only think of the next game.

"he has good game intelligence"


"...for sure

"we have more options"


On Gerrard's saga
"When people talk to me about Gerrard and say he wants to win trophies, I say, 'me too'. I want to win trophies, I am not here to learn English, I am here for winning trophies."

"I am not in favour of selling him and we are building a great team around him because we want him to be the skipper who wins the most titles in Liverpool's history."

"We are preparing a special weightlifting plan for Gerrard's shoulders because we want him to lift a lot of trophies for Liverpool in the next few years.

Pre-Chelsea press conference
Journo: Are you wearing your lucky jacket?

Rafa: No, it's normal. I have confidence in my team, not my jacket!


Post-Chelsea press conference
Journo: Were you confident when you saw Chelsea's team sheet?

Rafa: I was confident when I saw my own team sheet!


On rivalry with the Mancs:
I understand it. It’s similar to the rivalry with Everton but this time it’s about two of the top sides and it’s very important we win this game.


On the linesman of the Bolton game
"It's the first time I've seen a linesman who wants to be a star"

On paying 7m for Pennant

"I do not know many right wingers in this country who are better than Pennant playing in the Premier. Who else, (Shaun) Wright-Phillips at £21 million?

On the journalists

"After this they started changing words and at the end of the day you are in jail!

On catching Chelsea in the league table

"If you start counting your chickens then, at the end, you will have problems."

On the speculation about Henry before the match against Arsenal
"I even heard rumours this week that Henry was supposedly coming to Liverpool. All I can say is that he is coming tomorrow but will be going back to London after the game. He might come here on Tuesday as well!"

On being referred to as a tactical genius
“You cannot be a genius if you do not have good players. You can have the best tactics, but if I put all you journalists on the pitch, I’m sure we will lose.“

On Carra
"He reminds me of a hunting dog, when I want something specific done in defence he is very willing to learn. As a defender he is someone you do not want to play against, to have marking you."

On getting to grips with the Language
"I talk to carra, if you can understand him you can understand anyone."

On Anfield
"This is Anfield, they say you'll never walk alone... it's true!"

On cricket
"A lot of people say it is a fantastic game because nobody knows the rules, I say to the wife i am going to play a game and i wont be back for 5 or 10 days"

When asked about the new owners watching the game against PSV.
Reporter to Rafa: The new owners must have been really impressed with this performance/

Rafa: The players were impressive. The new owners were just watching the game.


On Crouch

"I was pleased also with Peter Crouch. We have been talking to him, before and after his nose operation, to show more confidence with his heading.

"Now it seems to have worked. Lets say that if he has a few games without scoring again, maybe we should arrange to break his nose again."


On Rotation Policy

"You know me, I like to rotate the team 99 times if I can,"

"We may be in a very good rugby town here in Toulouse. But this isn't rugby - I cannot use 15 players.

"Sadly, I've been unable to persuade Fifa, Uefa, and the Premier League to allow me to use 12 players in every game."


On Champion League group qualifying
Q : Which two teams will qualify from this group?
Rafa : This question provides me with an opportunity to use an expression I learnt the other day. I don't have a crystal ball. I cannot predict the future.


On spending for transfers

"But we have a saying in Spain that you never sell the house to buy a window. You don't spend more money than you have."

"It's easier if you've got the money to go into the transfer market. Imagine if you want to buy a jacket, if you have £1000 you can buy a good jacket, but if you have £10,000 you can buy the best"


On Mourinho
""We were good friends until we started winning, then he started changing his mind.

"It's the same with the managers of the top sides. He has good relationships with managers of teams he beats."

"He fights with the managers of the top sides. He has already started it with us, yesterday!"


Mourinho claimed that Liverpool will spend the first leg attempting to get Didier Dropba booked, with the big striker set to miss the second game if he is carded by referee Markus Merk.

"Maybe Mourinho is thinking about this because he was doing exactly the same thing two years ago over Xabi Alonso,"
When Mourinho claimed that referee missed out a penalty
"I haven't seen the replay but if he says it was a penalty, sure it was a penalty."

After Mourinho claimed that Liverpool is under pressure

"He said he does not talk about other teams, maybe he forgot this time.

In the post-match press conference when Liverpool manager Benitez was informed that Jose Mourinho had responded to Steven Gerrard's criticism of Chelsea by painting a picture of an angelic, or at least "naive", team.
Rafa:"Then I am Little Red Riding Hood,"

After Grant took over
"The only difference I see between Mourinho and Grant is in their press conferences!

On the Supporters
"At Stamford Bridge, we won in the stands, that was clear. The other supporters were with their flags, but our supporters were with their hearts. We don't need to give flags. It's easy for us."

After the match against Everton
"its hard playing against the SMALLER clubs"

On Chelsea
Q:How big a loss is Ricardo Carvalho to Chelsea?

A:If he cannot play – and remember they said the same last time – they have enough quality to replace him. I don't think he's any more important than John Terry. Before, when they lost Terry, they were saying they'd lost the best centre-back in the world. Now, Carvalho is the best centre-back in the world.


On King Kenny during the Kenny week
"Kenny Dalglish would be my first choice for Liverpool's best ever player because he was a great player with a lot of qualities."

On Torres

He can do it because he's a player with pace. This ability when you have pace is an issue. I have ability but I don't have pace so I can't beat anyone! But Torres can do it"

Rafa's jokes

On his beard
"its just because during the summer I lost my razor!"

Interviewer gets the joke but doesn't find it all that funny so he goes smiling:

"so you haven't found it since??"

"no i have found but now its broken!"


On Inter Milan

Q: What do you feel are the differences between AC Milan - a side you have faced twice in the final of this competition - and Inter?

Rafa: The difference between AC Milan and Inter is in the shirt.


On his players
"My players travel more than Willy Fogg," Benitez said to quizzical looks.
"Willy Fogg?
Around the World in 80 Days?"
"Phileas Fogg, you mean."
"Oh, yes, Phileas Fogg, sorry."

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On the birth of Xabi's son:
"I was preparing a new contract for his son,"

On the owner

Interviewer :Everyone is saying George Gillet is coming to watch this game tonight, does that make any difference to you or are you just focussed on that 90 minutes tomorrow?

Rafa :I think that he is not available for tomorrow so, he is not a big difference for me in my team selection.


When asked if the American owners of Liverpool will be analysing the game, he said: "
I don't know if they have a TV."

After PSV game
Irish interviewer: " Good night Rafa?" referring to the result.

Rafa: "Goodnight" with a broad smile and pretends to finish the chat


On his reaction after the goal

Q:One thing that surprised me was that after Kuyt scored and leveled the match, you didn’t jump out of your seat. Everyone else around you jumped right off their seats to celebrate but all you did was stand up and walk near the sideline to shout some instructions. Who were you talking to?

A:Yes, I was speaking to Sami Hyypia because we were having some problems adjusting at the back and I was trying to correct those mistakes. I believe that my job is not to jump around but to try and analyze things and find solutions to any problems we might be having.
Before Champion League clash with Arsenal
"I won't settle for any less (than victory). I have always had that mentality. Even as a child, I always hated losing at anything, chess or whatever.
"It is the same now, even at home. Just ask my wife. She says I never let the children win at anything. OK, sometimes I go easy on the younger one, but not the other. She is old enough and only wins on merit.


After 0-2 victory over Fulham

"We have a problem with Sami. He has a knock in the head. He was dizzy so I asked him if he'd seen the third goal! He just looked at me (with a confused look).

On Gerrard twisted his neck during training
The other day, he wanted to play but he was only able to look to the right, so I told him he could play as a left winger! We'll see if he can turn his head round and look the other way now.

"We will talk together, with the doctor. The player will say he wants to play, but there's an easy way of finding out whether he's fit. I will come up and tap him on the left shoulder and if he turns to face me without any pain, we will know he can play."


On Riise

"Fabio will be out for three weeks, so Riise knows he has to be ready and give everything for us. The best solution would be for him to score at Stamford Bridge... in the right goal.

On the late comebacks
“If it continues like this I will have to seek a neurologist — I don’t like these late comebacks.

"The last-minute goal is bad for the heart, but a great way to win. Do I believe in fate? I believe in hard work. In Spain we say 'luck is in love with people who work hard'. We work hard, so hopefully we'll have more luck."

On defending Crouch in the game
It's about beating him in the air, so we will use Mascherano against him! laugh.gif

On Ferguson
Journalist: Some comments were made by Alex Ferguson about Robbie Keane and the price you paid for him - were they ill-timed?
Rafa: I think he was surprised about the price because he was cheap. They paid around £30m for Berbatov, Rooney or Ferdinand - or even £35m for Tevez. That is maybe where the surprise came from.


"Or there is another option. That Mr Ferguson organises the fixtures in his office and sends it to us and everyone will know and cannot complain. That is simple."

He is the only manager in the league that cannot be punished for these things.

"All managers need to know is that only Mr Ferguson can talk about the fixtures, can talk about referees and nothing happens.

“I try not to talk too much, but all I can do when I speak is to defend my own team."

He has been playing these kind of mind games for many years. Nobody has ever said anything against him or stood up to him. It seems like he has a licence to do these sort of things.



Press conference ahead of the Newcastle match

(conversation moves on to the previous midweek Champions League Semi-Finals)

Reporter: Obviously in the middle of the week there were the Champions League Semi-Finals...did you watch those games...

Rafa: Yes I was watching the games but I will not say anything...

Reporter: Was it difficult for you to watch them...

Rafa: No, it was easy. I was in front of the telly (makes gesture of wide-screen tv) it was a big telly! It was easy!!


On Hyypia


I think Liverpool are losing a legend.For years he has been so good. He has scored important goals and has been very, very good in defence. Clearly we are losing an important player.

Before the match against manu at Anfield after 4 successive defeats.

Journalist: If you win on Sunday, everything that has been said and written recently will almost be forgotten. Is that something you have to get used to in modern football?

Yes, it is clear every week that everything changes. It is something you have to understand. With the internet, people need to write things every day, they need to sell newspapers every day, but they don't have too much news, so they have to say a lot of things. It is part of the game and you have to adapt to it.


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Sammy Lee
On Alex Ferguson and Sam Allardyce attacks on Rafa
"This is not Britain's Got Talent; you don't win anything for being popular, but our manager is not arrogant. He is astute, learned, educated and his attention to detail is fantastic. We are all a bit sensitive to criticism but he knows what he is doing, why he is doing it and who he is gesticulating at!"

Steven Gerrard

We are Liverpool Football Club and the expectations are so high.

Fernando Torres

I feel flattered at being nominated for the FIFA World Player. It is a proud moment for me, and an incentive to keep on working hard.I want to win trophies with Liverpool.

19th June 2009
For me the biggest privilege in Europe is the red shirt of Liverpool.

When asked about the departure of Ronaldo to Real Madrid.

We won't win the title because Manchester United have become weaker but because we have become better. To look at it like that is a loser's mentality and that is not the way of Liverpool Football Club.


Xabi Alonso


On his transfer saga
[The fans] couldn't have done more to show me how they felt... If I went out for lunch or a coffee, there was always someone who would come over and say, 'We'd love you to stay'. I'm just glad that, in the end, nothing came of it [the transfer] because it wasn't something I ever asked for."


Sami Hyypia


"I think it will only be after I've finally left that I'll be able to sit back and realise what we've done in my ten years. It's hard to take in now. It is nice to be remembered here."

"I'd like to come back to Liverpool one day as a coach, and it was great to hear the manager would like me to return,"



Reina


from Martin O'Neill after 0-1 defeat against Reds

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"Their keeper made a great save in each half, particularly the one from Stewart Downing - it was a great, great save. And then there was the one from Gabby later on. We had two go inches past the post too.


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REDS AROUND THE WORLD: MALAYSIA
Jonno Lim, Malaysia 13 January 2009

Meet 32-year-old events manager Jonno Lim, who helps run an independent supporters’ club and gets up at the crack of dawn to catch the Reds in action with hundreds of other fans in a crowded Malaysian bar.
Like most things, my association with the Malaysian independent supporters' club started with a few beers. After meeting on the fans' forum Red and White Kop (RAWK), we decided that as there were a fair number of us Reds in the same corner of the world, the least we could do was watch a game together in a bar.

Liverpool ran home 3-0 winners over Everton at Goodison Park that day in August 2003, with Michael Owen scoring a brace and Harry Kewell getting the third goal just before the final whistle.

Having supported the club from afar for so long, it felt very special to be enjoying a Liverpool victory with a few like-minded people. I had watched the Reds with friends before, but nothing like this. Even the owner of the Boardwalk on the outskirts of Kuala Lumpur was a Reds fanatic, so it became known as the closest thing any Malaysian Red could get to the special Anfield atmosphere.

There are so many Liverpool fans in this part of the world, and they all have their own story to tell. Some adopt the Reds because of their history, others simply get drawn in by the miracle of Istanbul in 2005 or the breathtaking 'Gerrard Final' of 2006.


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The only reason I can offer for following the Reds is probably quite similar to most people's - all of my family are massive Liverpool fans. It goes way back to the seventies and beyond, so it was a no-brainer for me to be the same as them.

My earliest memory is of Michael Thomas and Ian Rush securing the FA Cup for Liverpool with great goals against Sunderland at Wembley in 1992. I can also vividly remember Neil 'Razor' Ruddock holding his head after scoring a late equaliser in the dramatic 3-3 draw with Manchester United in January 1994.

Nigel Clough scored twice that day, but the look on Ruddock's face will remain with me forever - the ball hit him on the top of his head before going in the net and he seemed in quite a lot of pain while celebrating his decisive goal at Anfield. I couldn't stop laughing.

As time went by, my Liverpool obsession grew. We experienced many joyous Saturday and Sunday nights at the Boardwalk over the years and celebrated many great Liverpool victories there. But our friend, Bala, soon told us he had to sell his bar and we were left with nowhere to watch our beloved Reds during the early hours of the morning over here in Malaysia.

And when the new owner of the Boardwalk told us they would not be opening for the 2007 Champions League final clash with AC Milan due to the fact it would be kicking off at 3.30am over here, we knew that we had to act quickly to find a new venue.

After a long and frustrating search, we finally found a small pub that would open for the match. We got in touch with our friends and fellow supporters to join us for the big game, as we knew that whenever Liverpool was involved in a big European game, it was guaranteed to be something special.


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We only really expected about 50 people to turn up at the most, but the bar ended up being crammed full with about 200 fans, all screaming at the screen, willing on the Reds. We were all disappointed that Rafa's men did not win that night in Athens, but a few of us knew right then that not only did we need a bigger venue, but also a proper fan club to bring all of these Liverpool supporters together.

We called our new supporters' club 'MyRAWK', as most of us had met through RAWK, while the ‘My’ stands for Malaysia and also gives us a sense that a certain part of LFC can belong to us individually.

Things were tough at the beginning, but settling on the M Bar as our exclusive home for watching all the games helped us a lot. The owner agreed to open up at all the unsociable hours involved in supporting a club many miles away and laid on a host of generous drinks offers.

What started as a small MyRAWK blog soon turned into a full website, and before long we had Liverpool fans joining us from all over for our match-viewing parties. From local lawyers to homesick expats, tourists to ex players (Ian Rush once even joined us - that was a very special day), the M Bar is now full of fervent fans week in, week out. I usually take up the microphone at each event and am always proud to be the official master of ceremonies.

We even have our futsal team and are also in the process of setting up a full 11-a side side. Our interim team recently won our first trophy, the Christmas Cup and one day we hope to have a proper team which takes part in the local social league.

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But due to the exchange rate and distance, not many of us have been lucky enough to get over to Anfield. I am currently saving up to make the pilgrimage one day next season with a few other fans. I'm sure that once we get up close to Liverpool's hallowed home, there will be many of us who will be close to tears, as this would be nothing short of our visiting our very own Mecca.

One of our newer members, Phil, who now lives in Liverpool, always talks about how unbelievable it is that a bunch of guys who have never seen the Reds play up close can wake up in the middle of the night to support a team who are playing nearly 7,000 miles away, only to go back to bed and rise for work less than two hours later.

But none of us at MyRAWK would have it any other way. Witnessing another Liverpool victory make all the long, sleepy days in the office after a match worth it - and believe you me, there have been a lot of those in recent years.

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looking at your nick i know you're one of the bandwagon fans.
so dont tell me im acting like a saint.

what help does it do to the team by cursing johnson? tell me how it helps?
theres a fine line between criticizing and condemning.


You have no right to say im one of the bandwagon fans. I didnt mean about cursing johnson anyway. So anything wrong about my nick? i admire them so wad?
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You have no right to say im one of the bandwagon fans. I didnt mean about cursing johnson anyway. So anything wrong about my nick? i admire them so wad?
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You have no right to say im one of the bandwagon fans. I didnt mean about cursing johnson anyway. So anything wrong about my nick? i admire them so wad?
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good for u.  rclxms.gif
goodnite guys.

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Off to sleep.Nitez.

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Yeap.

We're frustrated but we stick with the team, aye? smile.gif

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Rafa shud play 2 strikers after this and play diamond style after this..
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do you guys notice our team like play long ball..the match is like between the defenders and striker..defender get the ball and sent a long ball to front

kuyt have go midfielder to collect the ball , gerrard looks so frustated at the end of game and I think his perfomance and attitude really affect the team
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n'gog? no no for me..
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Rafa should have hire me as his assistant and not Sammy.
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LOL, no way!
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the only team that will come troll us also lose at home ..so I think less troll will coming this time


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HAHA. assistant manager let kenny daligsh settled down. lol. Rafa still the manager. we will lost everythings..
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We'll choose the assistant from these five.

Candidates are:

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QUOTE(hyperyouth_firepower @ Dec 14 2009, 02:45 AM)
LOL, no way!
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QUOTE(leaF @ Dec 14 2009, 02:46 AM)
the only team that will come troll us also lose at home ..so I think less troll will coming this time
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QUOTE(darrengoh @ Dec 14 2009, 02:46 AM)
HAHA. assistant manager let kenny daligsh settled down. lol. Rafa still the manager. we will lost everythings..
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Was hoping for a draw but too bad Kops lost...heh, at least i got free L'pool jersey at the mamak sponsored by some cigar company for predicting the correct half-time score laugh.gif

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Candidates are:

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They will still come.Take a look at deora's troll post and Ken's taunting of disallowing goals. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(leaF @ Dec 14 2009, 02:50 AM)
and dun forget w3er..one of the best troll around here..read his post can make me really  vmad.gif
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Anyway, off to bed.Nitez guys. smile.gif
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I'll hire Unker Everdying as my ass man if I replace Rafa.Vote for me...Come on! biggrin.gif
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After that , Sammy lee take over liverpool. And you will become liv's new assistant manager
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Then sell Torres for 100mil and buy me as the main striker. brows.gif
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Then sell Torres for 100mil and buy me as the main striker. brows.gif
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QUOTE(eddy_87 @ Dec 14 2009, 03:48 AM)
Was  hoping for a draw but too bad Kops lost...heh, at least i got free L'pool jersey at the mamak sponsored by some cigar company for predicting the correct half-time score laugh.gif

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Then sell Torres for 100mil and buy me as the main striker. brows.gif
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it is not easy to play for liverpool but u can go and try sleep with hick or gillet
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3wins for this season, 6 losses and still counting. I'm still considering whether buying the new standard chartered jersey.
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QUOTE(RyanHo @ Dec 14 2009, 03:08 AM)
3wins for this season, 6 losses and still counting. I'm still considering whether buying the new standard chartered jersey.
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ryanho.. buy me one............. brows.gif

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Liverpool may lost the game... but they will never lose their fans... Credits to the fans who support to the team up and down...at least nobody can call Liverpool fan a glory hunter...

I feel sorry for Liverpool fans, they don't deserve this...We all know that Liverpool fans are the best in the world...
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QUOTE(Panda @ Dec 14 2009, 03:13 AM)
Liverpool may lost the game... but they will never lose their fans... Credits to the fans who support to the team up and down...at least nobody can call Liverpool fan a glory hunter...

I feel sorry for Liverpool fans, they don't deserve this...We all know that Liverpool fans are the best in the world...
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QUOTE(RyanHo @ Dec 14 2009, 03:08 AM)
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at least rafa kept his promise to reduce the draw, not like last season..
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Lady luck did abandon us this time, haha. 2 blatant penalties go unnoticed, torres missed a glorious chance, an own goal, and arshavin again laugh.gif

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there was little composure from rafa's football.
it s all about pressing, pressuring with / without a ball, every players needs to be highly discipline & tactical. machine like? too robust.
not to mention his sometime overcautious approach.

in the primeirship every team is playing high tempo, little compose..except a couple good teams. it s a machine collide machine every f***in week.

a team who can really balance between passing,attacking, high-slow tempo, great composure, good defense will be successful.
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our so called first eleven doh.gif

we cant recover fr the own goal doh.gif

where is the famous "comeback kid" spirit doh.gif

i hope we should lose more matches fr now and Rafa will go faster, obviously wif mutal termination of his contract than paying him 20 mil pounds....

and clear deadwoods like Ngog and some shit players sweat.gif sweat.gif

nvm we can bounce back, Rafa is not suitable for BPL
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QUOTE(digilife @ Dec 14 2009, 08:49 AM)
our so called first eleven doh.gif

we cant recover fr the own goal doh.gif

where is the famous "comeback kid" spirit doh.gif

i hope we should lose more matches fr now and Rafa will go faster, obviously wif mutal termination of his contract than paying him 20 mil pounds....

and clear deadwoods like Ngog and some shit players  sweat.gif  sweat.gif

nvm we can bounce back, Rafa is not suitable for BPL
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I feel sorry for Liverpool fans, they don't deserve this...We all know that Liverpool fans are the best in the world...
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although this results disappointing us...i still support this team...dem la Liverpool...always make my heart wanna cry...YNWA!

tactical wise? dunno la what Rafa think...
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although this results disappointing us...i still support this team...dem la Liverpool...always make my heart wanna cry...YNWA!

tactical wise? dunno la what Rafa think...
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To be honest. Rafa did make sense tactically this time around. He brought on attacking players.
Johnson was playing like shite even with his runs down the wing. Torres isnt match-fit or maybe something else is bothering him. Gerrard was doing all he can. Lucas and Mascherano as well. Agger was solid and Carragher was great in marking Arshavin till his break-through.(Note that Johnson was suppose to defend Arshavin in the 2nd goal)
Our two wingers and 2 full-backs wasnt up to par.
Reina should be more brave in catching aerial balls.
Rafa is far from being the main culprit for our lost here.

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QUOTE(visionary1993 @ Dec 14 2009, 09:58 AM)
To be honest. Rafa did make sense tactically this time around. He brought on attacking players.
Johnson was playing like shite even with his runs down the wing. Torres isnt match-fit or maybe something else is bothering him. Gerrard was doing all he can. Lucas and Mascherano as well. Agger was solid and Carragher was great in marking Arshavin till his break-through.(Note that Johnson was suppose to defend Arshavin in the 2nd goal)
Our two wingers and 2 full-backs wasnt up to par.
Reina should be more brave in catching aerial balls.
Rafa is far from being the main culprit for our lost here.
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Current problem is not tactic wise, it is players's morale, confidence and determination, may be fitness and injury as well.

Even you have the best players, without morale and confidence won't win you games.

Manager can put up the best tactic or strategy, but of players lack of motivation, it won't have any good performance on the pitch.

Current squad might not the best and able to challenge the title, but not the like win 2 or 3 matches out of 13 or 14 matches.

Can't always blame no $$, no best players (yes, it could be the situation) but Aston Villla even has lesser money and smaller squad, but players seems very motivated and able to play some good fluent football while Liverpool players' on paper is better than them, but cannot play good football and players always with sicknote.

If finish 7, then next year Liverpool will have problem to attract players in the transfer market as well, not to mention cannot fight with other in term of $$.

If not put up a string of consecutive win for the next few matches (by January), I forsee the season has virtually ended for Liverpool. sweat.gif
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It just felt like the whole team was pushing like mad in the first half but after the second half, Arsenal woke up while our lads just fading out. The own goal just totally deflated Glen in my opinion.

Do hope the team wake up soon, it is just heart-breaking seeing how we play now when we all know that we can do way better than this.
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own goal is not excuse for their lack of spirit. gerrard the obvious one. maybe he didn't some for few weeks from his wife la tongue.gif

torres frustration shows on the 2nd half.

btw, what's with the players boots nowadays? asyik slipping je..
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I was actually pretty optimistic when I got up in the morning on Sunday. I mean we had Steven Gerrard and Fernando Torres fit again, not to mention a healthy looking Aquilani who to my surprise started from the bench. We were also playing at Anfield.

We started off really well, repelling anything that came forward, keeping Arsenal on their heels each time we advanced. The players looked up for it, pressuring and snapping at anyone not in red whenever thay had the ball. This is it I thought! This is the way we should be playing! It was proven last season that when we took the game to other sides, even the great European teams cringe with fear.

Alas, our second half performances reinforced the stereotype that while we play good football after going behind, we often fall back into a false sense of security after going ahead. Forget that we have a stonewall penalty disallowed by a certain Howard Webb who like our players, seems to be off the pace this season. Forget that we had the lion's share of possession in the first half. In reality, our over reliance on Fernando Torres stood out like a sore thumb again. Our no.9 has clearly not regained his match fitness and sharpness. Arsenal came back with aplomb in the 2nd half, despite no change in personal. In fact, they ended the game with more possession than us. What happened? In the postmatch interview, both Fabregas and Vermaelen attributed it to the hair dryer treatment they received from Wenger at halftime. If this is true, it just comes to show how tactical know-how isn't what gives you the edge over relatively similar astute opponent. Drive and determination gives you that little bit extra you need, as we clearly lacked that in the 2nd half. Perhaps Rafa should start throwing his shoe about the dressing room more. What I find most distressing is that Almunia was a relative spectator the entire 2nd half as he didn't have a single save to make.

Yes, Howard Webb had a really poor game but I urge everyone to look beyond that, and at the bigger picture. I don't pretend to know what the solution is but something has to be done if we are to finish in the top four. The way we are playing, I don't see us finishing in the top 6 even, considering the likes of City, Villa and Spurs seemed to have improved over last season. This to me is a very real and big concern. Something that blind faith alone will not mend. Do we need more players? Do we need new owners? A new manager? I don't know. All I know is that we aren't playing with a positive vibe and this needs to be addressed.


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QUOTE(rushmode @ Dec 14 2009, 11:03 AM)
own goal is not excuse for their lack of spirit. gerrard the obvious one. maybe he didn't some for few weeks from his wife la tongue.gif

torres frustration shows on the 2nd half.

btw, what's with the players boots nowadays? asyik slipping je..
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we were great in the 1st half n managed to get 1 goal...

2nd half, we could blame our luck 4 what happened, own goal n out of nowhere shoot made us trailing 1 goal down,

anyway all of that not frustrated enough, what frustrated me is that when we trying to chasing the game why on earth didnt we playing possession football, we kept giving the ball to cara n agger to loop ball forward doh.gif why the midfielder kept flicking the ball to the arsenal player n gave away possession when we desperately needed to find equalizer?..is that order came from rafa?...

0 shot on target in the 2nd half tell u all the story..


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Forever the carlsberg Jinx!

On to with Standard Chartered!


Added on December 14, 2009, 12:27 pmby the way, any more Liverpool FC chants? Not the ones we sing to em' rentboys.

Gotta keep it decent!

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On to with Standard Chartered!

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the team did (sit back after a lead) a couple of times this season and end up either draw or lose. andy gray (the bias twat) did mentioned this during the game and it is true. we are coming back to GH era where 1 goal is good enough and try as hard to protect. it's ok if the back 4 are solid but it ain't.

early in the season i've said i believe rafa can bring home the title but based on last few games.. i dont believe it anymore. the entertaining football that the team played last season are gone. yes, we lost key players in the summer and some injured but it's rafa's fault for not having a good backup. look at mu and arse, the have as many injured players as liverpool but they managed to stay consistent with the subs. oh did u guys looks at the sub yesterday, 4 out of 6 is defensive. entertaining innit?

i'd care less if liverpool don't win anything this season as long as we mount a decent challenge.
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to be honest, we played with almost the best first 11 we've had currently with the exception of aquilani, and still nowhere near arsenal's performance in the second half. have to admit that the away team dominated the entire second half and forced us to be on the backfoot the entire half, even when we're the ones playing the chasing game.

gotta give wenger credit for whatever he did during the halftime pep talk. the arsenal team was wholly transformed and had more confident with the ball, while our players got more and more nervous. johnson was culpable for both goals, but having said that i don't think there's much he can do about the two goals conceded. the second strike was a superb one, there's no way reina can stop that bullet. arshavin was nowhere to be seen before that goal, but that one goal is enough to condemn us to another defeat.
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QUOTE(livingmonolith @ Dec 14 2009, 01:06 PM)
to be honest, we played with almost the best first 11 we've had currently with the exception of aquilani, and still nowhere near arsenal's performance in the second half. have to admit that the away team dominated the entire second half and forced us to be on the backfoot the entire half, even when we're the ones playing the chasing game.

gotta give wenger credit for whatever he did during the halftime pep talk. the arsenal team was wholly transformed and had more confident with the ball, while our players got more and more nervous. johnson was culpable for both goals, but having said that i don't think there's much he can do about the two goals conceded. the second strike was a superb one, there's no way reina can stop that bullet. arshavin was nowhere to be seen before that goal, but that one goal is enough to condemn us to another defeat.
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It was deflected by the crossbar into the net, eh? I think Reina didn't even bother to jump, thinking that it went out of play but it actually deflected in. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Dec 14 2009, 01:13 PM)
It was deflected by the crossbar into the net, eh? I think Reina didn't even bother to jump, thinking that it went out of play but it actually deflected in. sweat.gif
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deflected in by the post, but it's not like it took a lucky deflection of any defender's leg or arm. i won't call it a lucky deflection, for reference of lucky deflections, we can browse through lampard's goals.
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Anybody notices how Gerrard sulked (Again!) in the 2nd half? It's worrying enough that he seems to be doubting Rafa, but what's worse is he can't be arsed with the way his team is playing. As usual, the only person that's giving motivation straight after the OG was Reina. Some kind of captain we've got there. Nobody's bigger than the club and while Rafa takes most of the blame, Gerrard has to shoulder some responsibility as well.

QUOTE(livingmonolith @ Dec 14 2009, 01:06 PM)
to be honest, we played with almost the best first 11 we've had currently with the exception of aquilani, and still nowhere near arsenal's performance in the second half. have to admit that the away team dominated the entire second half and forced us to be on the backfoot the entire half, even when we're the ones playing the chasing game.

gotta give wenger credit for whatever he did during the halftime pep talk. the arsenal team was wholly transformed and had more confident with the ball, while our players got more and more nervous. johnson was culpable for both goals, but having said that i don't think there's much he can do about the two goals conceded. the second strike was a superb one, there's no way reina can stop that bullet. arshavin was nowhere to be seen before that goal, but that one goal is enough to condemn us to another defeat.
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Actually Arsenal wasn't a lot better in the 2nd half - 2 half-chances and 2 goals - instead we sat back. and invited pressure The drive that the players had in the 1st half was suddenly gone and after the OG, the entire team was clueless.

QUOTE(solstice818 @ Dec 14 2009, 01:13 PM)
It was deflected by the crossbar into the net, eh? I think Reina didn't even bother to jump, thinking that it went out of play but it actually deflected in. sweat.gif
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The pace of the ball meant that even Reina had a second headstart, he wouldn't have saved it.
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QUOTE(livingmonolith @ Dec 14 2009, 01:29 PM)
deflected in by the post, but it's not like it took a lucky deflection of any defender's leg or arm. i won't call it a lucky deflection, for reference of lucky deflections, we can browse through lampard's goals.
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Yeah..Not really a lucky strike but a pretty good strike.I just felt bad for Reina though I'm sure not much keeper can save that.
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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Dec 14 2009, 01:30 PM)

Actually Arsenal wasn't a lot better in the 2nd half - 2 half-chances and 2 goals - instead we sat back. and invited pressure The drive that the players had in the 1st half was suddenly gone and after the OG, the entire team was clueless.

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actually, if you see how our players performed after conceding the two goals, by comparison the arsenal kids are much more better still.

players were somewhat halfhearted in challenges, i'm not impressed especially at moments when we're supposed to be keeping the ball and build up attacks, poor touches led to conceding possession, and we ended up chasing their players again.
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QUOTE(rushmode @ Dec 14 2009, 12:43 PM)
the team did (sit back after a lead) a couple of times this season and end up either draw or lose. andy gray (the bias twat) did mentioned this during the game and it is true. we are coming back to GH era where 1 goal is good enough and try as hard to protect. it's ok if the back 4 are solid but it ain't.

early in the season i've said i believe rafa can bring home the title but based on last few games.. i dont believe it anymore. the entertaining football that the team played last season are gone. yes, we lost key players in the summer and some injured but it's rafa's fault for not having a good backup. look at mu and arse, the have as many injured players as liverpool but they managed to stay consistent with the subs. oh did u guys looks at the sub yesterday, 4 out of 6 is defensive. entertaining innit?

i'd care less if liverpool don't win anything this season as long as we mount a decent challenge.
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The problem is that while we are trying our level best to be systematic and efficient, we are moving further away from becoming ruthless? Why? It's simple. To be ruthless, it requires that you gamble to an extent. It means that after you score a goal, you don't start giving your opponent the ball, daring them to attack you. Adopting a "break us down if you can" mentality is in itself, risky business as well. It means you go for the jugular. When you've hit one past your opponent and he's shaken, go in for the quick fill. Don't let up. Time and time again, we let our opponents compose themselves, allowing them time to get into their rhythm.

Some seasons ago under Houllier, Ferguson commented that if you want to score against Liverpool, you need to run at them. Back then we had two defensive rocks in Hyypia and Henchoz but a big factor to why we were so miserly at the back, was because we often played with 11 men in our own half, with our midfielders dropping back to the 20 yard line. It's the same problem we're having now. How uncomfortable do we look each time we're having to defend a quick counterattack. It's not uncommon to see us at our sixes and sevens even if we're defending against 3 players who steam towards goal. It's encouraging to see two of our players crowding out and opponent but this also means, we're left exposed somewhere. Some of you may have noticed that we're often caught out when the ball is played across our goal, because our defence gets dragged to either end, resulting in there being an exposed opponent on the far end.
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Liverpool season gone liao 2 months ago ....
Or was it when Alonso packed his bags and headed to RM?

haizzzz ... this supposed to be Liverpool's season ... haizzzz
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Sigh, I don't think only Johnson was doing badly yesterday but our skipper wasn't up to par also. His morale was definitely affected much after Gallas' foul on him to gain the team a penalty was denied. I think both our centrebacks did well. biggrin.gif Sell Gerard, 30M is ours brows.gif
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I still stick with what I said. Drop those undroppable.1st to drop, Kuyt!

Besides the goal, he did nothing.
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QUOTE(rusty-hammer @ Dec 14 2009, 02:01 PM)
Liverpool season gone liao 2 months ago ....
Or was it when Alonso packed his bags and headed to RM?

haizzzz ... this supposed to be Liverpool's season ... haizzzz
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the main passing problem Liverpool has is nobody come to support if team-mate having ball at his feet. Everybody shouting for long accurate pass... this is what i noticed.
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There's no use dealing with the attacking issue(be it holding ball or supporting teammates in attack) when the problem lies on the lapse of concentration in defense.We had been leading for several matches and still ended up losing all of them.Where's the problem?Defense, obviously.
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And it's not like we have players dominating aerially. So, I don't see the point of passing long ball forwards and let Torres to latch on the ball. Unless, opponent's defender makes mistakes leading to goal icon_idea.gif But Torres missed a 1 on 1 chance yesterday sad.gif
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Unless we deal with the
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Dec 14 2009, 02:16 PM)
There's no use dealing with the attacking issue(be it holding ball or supporting teammates in attack) when the problem lies on the lapse of concentration in defense.We had been leading for several matches and still ended up losing all of them.Where's the problem?Defense, obviously.
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if you cant hold the ball long enough it means giving away possession which ended up being attacked and the back 4 will be punished... who's fault?? defend??
for me all parts have to share the blame. for my eyes, i dont like the passing play Liverpool adapting right now...
asyik2 passing kat defender... then balloon... hilang possession.... backfoot again....
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i think we are suffering from the good old score-first-switch-off syndrome. we were all over the cockney kiddies in the 1st half and really should have put the game to the bed.. but we didn't.

we have lost many points due to this.. hopefully we can sort this asap.
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come on lads , We are liverpool. We don't blame the refs.
Rafa did not blame , the players did not , the staff did not.

On another note, please CARRA stop pumping the damn ball up in to the air everytime u hold the ball. FFS.
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we are tend to lose the 2nd half on most of the games
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Time for Rafa to leave. He is more worst than Houlier

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QUOTE(MariMo @ Dec 14 2009, 02:36 PM)
come on lads , We are liverpool. We don't blame the refs.
Rafa did not blame , the players did not , the staff did not.

On another note, please CARRA stop pumping the damn ball up in to the air everytime u hold the ball. FFS.
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dont blame CARRA... nobody supports him when he has the ball... and why on earth we always back pass to our defender?? rclxub.gif


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Time for Rafa to leave. He is more worst than Houlier
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haha really?? base on what?? smile??

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QUOTE(manx @ Dec 14 2009, 02:39 PM)
dont blame CARRA... nobody supports him when he has the ball... and why on earth we always back pass to our defender??  rclxub.gif


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haha really?? base on what?? smile??
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Midfield not functioning , everytime lucas and mascherano holds the ball , they seem clueless. But when they tackle , they often do a fine job out of it .
My dad noticed that , this season liverpool , can only perform well for 70 mins.
After the 70 mark , they seem exhausted and out of shape. zzz
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QUOTE(Casanova88 @ Dec 14 2009, 02:38 PM)
Time for Rafa to leave. He is more worst than Houlier
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QUOTE(sivapc @ Dec 14 2009, 02:32 PM)
i think we are suffering from the good old score-first-switch-off syndrome. we were all over the cockney kiddies in the 1st half and really should have put the game to the bed.. but we didn't.

we have lost many points due to this.. hopefully we can sort this asap.
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kinda remind me of the good old Houllier days where we score once and fall back to absorb all the pressure we can until we concede then try again.

I just can't stop imagining if LFC were to play in Serie A or La Liga. what wud hv happen with our extended slump since the league starts?
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QUOTE(manx @ Dec 14 2009, 02:39 PM)
dont blame CARRA... nobody supports him when he has the ball... and why on earth we always back pass to our defender??  rclxub.gif


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haha really?? base on what?? smile??
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QUOTE(Casanova88 @ Dec 14 2009, 02:38 PM)
Time for Rafa to leave. He is more worst than Houlier
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he/she will only stop by if Liverpool lose or an Arsenal win.... MIA when Arsenal lost... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(manx @ Dec 14 2009, 02:55 PM)
he/she will only stop by if Liverpool lose or an Arsenal win.... MIA when Arsenal lost... biggrin.gif
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QFT  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Dec 14 2009, 02:59 PM)
QFT acronym expression stands for "Quoted For Truth".

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the truth i don't think Rafa have problem...

major doubt is Liverpool Financial club problem.


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Disappointing, saddening, heartbreaking ..

Some fundamental changes are overdue at Liverpool. I fear that unless these changes are made, this may be our worst season in 40 years!

My own micro-analysis :
1. Gerrard didn't play with his heart. He played one good pass to Torres but Torres needs more than that because he's still not 100% sharp. 2.Torres tried hard : he chased, dribbled, passed and went for goal.
3. Benayoun doesn't look as confident - I still think he's not 100% fit.
4. Kuyt is limited although he's more incisive in this game
5. Lucas improved but he cannot be our key midfielder
6. Masch is good but he's too professional and Argentinian
7.Johnson is most pitiable : I felt he played well in the first half
8.Carra's reliability is more and more limited by his age and fitness
9.Agger is good and is nice to watch when he brings the ball up
10.Aurelio needs to be more aggressive
11.Reina should be more honest to Benitez because I suspect he can see alot of what's going on from his angle.
12. Ngog is not ready
13. Aquilani is an anti-climax, no thanks to Benitez
14. Degen, like Dossena, should try to carve a midfield career instead.

YNWA!
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guys ...
we can throw the brick all we want every time Liverpool loses ...
How easy at times for us to point fingers and find a scapegoat.
How easy we want someone's head on the chopping block ...

It's time like this LFC needs all the support they need.
Will we be there for them thru thick and thin?


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QUOTE(rusty-hammer @ Dec 14 2009, 03:27 PM)
guys ...
we can throw the brick all we want every time Liverpool loses ...
How easy at times for us to point fingers and find a scapegoat.
How easy we want someone's head on the chopping block ...

It's time like this LFC needs all the support they need.
Will we be there for them thru thick and thin?
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QUOTE(manx @ Dec 14 2009, 03:33 PM)
ppl here only lepas tension only... whatever happens they still support our beloved club... so nothing to worry.. cheers... all 1-2days affair only biggrin.gif
yeah, and the next match is on next 2 days
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haha bookie earn big big keep money....see la liverpool after new year will be winning streak till get champs,,,cos other team not yet fake matches yet , see wolves match? haha...lets see , benitez smart he make all in first half season , then 2nd season play real real 99...lets see la
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The way we are playing, we are now fighting to play in the Europa League next season, not Champions League. Although I am not satisfied with Rafa at the moment, I don't think it is the right time to replace him yet.
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QUOTE(fk2222 @ Dec 14 2009, 03:47 PM)
haha bookie earn big big keep money....see la liverpool after new year will be winning streak till get champs,,,cos other team not yet fake matches yet , see wolves match? haha...lets see , benitez smart he make all in first half season , then 2nd season play real real 99...lets see la
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You can take everything away from a man, everything but his pride. It's the same with the club. You can take away the success and the trophies that come with it, but you cannot take away our faith. When someone posts something negative, does this mean he doesn't have faith? If it did, he wouldn't still be a fan. It doesn't make sense to stand by something when you know for sure, there is and never will be, a silver lining in the cloud.

Hmm there seems to be a rising number of one-liner posts. Don't we sometimes criticise people who come in here to spout of non-sensical one-liners? If we want to be different, then let's act different.
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Liverpool is no more the big four in EPL. Man City and Spurs are going to take their spot.

Hopefully not another Leeds in the making.....
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QUOTE(Casanova88 @ Dec 14 2009, 04:36 PM)
Liverpool is no more the big four in EPL. Man City and Spurs are going to take their spot.

Hopefully not another Leeds in the making.....
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QUOTE(Casanova88 @ Dec 14 2009, 04:36 PM)
Liverpool is no more the big four in EPL. Man City and Spurs are going to take their spot.

Hopefully not another Leeds in the making.....
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Why do you guys feel compelled to respond when you know he is nothing but a mere attention seeking git? If you look at the quality of his posts, it's clear he lacks insight and intellect, so why bother engaging?

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Cech is Suprise at Boo boys

what does he expect from chelsea fans? lol.
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Em' rent boys will always be rent boys.

That's something for sure.


Speaking about morale, anyone saw the post match conference? The Boss seemed to have admitted that the morale of the team dipped too much after conceding the draw.

Meh, I fear the jinx of newcastle.
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Why do you guys feel compelled to respond when you know he is nothing but a mere attention seeking git? If you look at the quality of his posts, it's clear he lacks insight and intellect, so why bother engaging?
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ok ...let see what i feel and wondering what happen yesterday..its about tactical...what we see when Rafa subs our player? Aqua for Masch..Ngog for Benny, Degen for Johnson...in 1st 45 minute, we see Masch already play as DM, and Lucas play up a bit, Midfield maybe? then why sub Aqua with Masch? what happen then, Lucas and Aqua go forward and leave our back 4 without DM...and what the fish change Ngog for Benny ? who is going for left side? Aurellio? Gerrard? and after Diaby comes in, everything getting really caca marba..Liverpool dunno how to pass, stuck, and our midfield have to go down and help our defend....for my POV, Rafa can do more by this formation


Glen Carra Agger
Lucas
Kuyt Aqua Aurellio
Gerrrad
Ngog Torres

in short, Lucas must stay as DM and let Aqua storm the front...Benny should be sub by Insua or Dossena...what happen is, Lucas want to go up with Aqua...

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Dec 14 2009, 04:47 PM)
Why do you guys feel compelled to respond when you know he is nothing but a mere attention seeking git? If you look at the quality of his posts, it's clear he lacks insight and intellect, so why bother engaging?
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Haha..

I know it's hard to accept the FACT that liverpool is out of the EPL title race but one thing for sure Rafa is doing a wonderful job(He still got the support from fans) plus Liverpool can nly play hard & smart just to beat MU. icon_question.gif


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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Dec 14 2009, 05:05 PM)
Cech is Suprise at Boo boys

what does he expect from chelsea fans? lol.
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Lucas was supposed to be on the attacking axis, with Aquilani the holding midfielder.

But I think it was LUCAS + Aquilani combination that hasn't gelled.

And mind you, Aquilani is not defensive midfielder either.
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QUOTE(normeck @ Dec 14 2009, 06:13 PM)
jangan marah duke... tongue.gif

ok ...let see what i feel and wondering what happen yesterday..its about tactical...what we see when Rafa subs our player? Aqua for Masch..Ngog for Benny, Degen for Johnson...in 1st 45 minute, we see Masch already play as DM, and Lucas play up a bit, Midfield maybe? then why sub Aqua with Masch? what happen then, Lucas and Aqua go forward and leave our back 4 without DM...and what the fish change Ngog for Benny ? who is going for left side? Aurellio? Gerrard? and after Diaby comes in, everything getting really caca marba..Liverpool dunno how to pass, stuck, and our midfield have to go down and help our defend....for my POV, Rafa can do more by this formation
Glen Carra Agger
        Lucas
Kuyt Aqua Aurellio
        Gerrrad
    Ngog Torres

in short, Lucas must stay as DM and let Aqua storm the front...Benny should be sub by Insua or Dossena...what happen is, Lucas want to go up with Aqua...
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i saw a thread at RaWK forum that day. They talked about putting a new formation for the team:a diamond formation like Chelsea's. What do u guys think?

Origiinal Thread
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Liverpool is no more the big four in EPL. Man City and Spurs are going to take their spot.

Hopefully not another Leeds in the making.....
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QUOTE(normeck @ Dec 14 2009, 05:13 PM)
jangan marah duke... tongue.gif

ok ...let see what i feel and wondering what happen yesterday..its about tactical...what we see when Rafa subs our player? Aqua for Masch..Ngog for Benny, Degen for Johnson...in 1st 45 minute, we see Masch already play as DM, and Lucas play up a bit, Midfield maybe? then why sub Aqua with Masch? what happen then, Lucas and Aqua go forward and leave our back 4 without DM...and what the fish change Ngog for Benny ? who is going for left side? Aurellio? Gerrard? and after Diaby comes in, everything getting really caca marba..Liverpool dunno how to pass, stuck, and our midfield have to go down and help our defend....for my POV, Rafa can do more by this formation
Glen Carra Agger
        Lucas
Kuyt Aqua Aurellio
        Gerrrad
    Ngog Torres

in short, Lucas must stay as DM and let Aqua storm the front...Benny should be sub by Insua or Dossena...what happen is, Lucas want to go up with Aqua...
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Masch already picked up a knock + yellow card.

Plus, masch is defensive minded while Lucas is a mix of attacking and defensive.You know who is a better choice when we are trailing. smile.gif
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QUOTE(normeck @ Dec 14 2009, 05:13 PM)
jangan marah duke... tongue.gif

ok ...let see what i feel and wondering what happen yesterday..its about tactical...what we see when Rafa subs our player? Aqua for Masch..Ngog for Benny, Degen for Johnson...in 1st 45 minute, we see Masch already play as DM, and Lucas play up a bit, Midfield maybe? then why sub Aqua with Masch? what happen then, Lucas and Aqua go forward and leave our back 4 without DM...and what the fish change Ngog for Benny ? who is going for left side? Aurellio? Gerrard? and after Diaby comes in, everything getting really caca marba..Liverpool dunno how to pass, stuck, and our midfield have to go down and help our defend....for my POV, Rafa can do more by this formation
Glen Carra Agger
        Lucas
Kuyt Aqua Aurellio
        Gerrrad
    Ngog Torres

in short, Lucas must stay as DM and let Aqua storm the front...Benny should be sub by Insua or Dossena...what happen is, Lucas want to go up with Aqua...
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looks like arsenal past few year having 5mid with adebayor upfront as targetman,

hleb = reluctant to shoot (he feet is weak to take shoot)
song = a DM with lousy shooting skill
diaby, flamini, denilson = lousy shooting skill

but if u minus the hleb,denilson and diaby, it just left 2 ppl who dare to take shoot, which easy for opponent to "take care" the dangerous man

same as the above liverpool formation, i dunno aqua's shooting ability but for sure kuyt and aurellio they aren't frequent scorer so it left 3 dangerous man for opponent to take care of, that'll much reduce the chances...
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EH???? Kalah lagi!!!! cry.gif

It is a measure of how far we have come under Rafa that many of us are not accustomed to losing so many games.
Unfortunately, it is also an indication (to me anyways) that Rafa has run his race, and by keeping him we risk unravelling all the progress that he has brought.

That said, it is also only fair for him to be given until the end of the season to try and make things right.

p.s. I've given my reasons why i want Rafa out time and time again, will not repeat them again.
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and i might add to the above argument.
Benayoun wasnt himself yesterday. You could see it for yourself.
And if you so happen to see our games with Ngog upfront, he was usually a 2nd winger to Kuyt on the right and to whoever on the left. He cuts in to the penalty box, different to what Torres usually do, poaching in the middle.
So its understandably Ngog for Benayoun.
And for once this season im backing Rafa.
No point in creating your own winning formation. Last time, alot of people whine about why not try Kuyt as a lone striker(A month ago). He did and failed miserably. Not to mention the infamous 5-4-1 to 3-6-1 formation. Im done predicting and trying new formations. sweat.gif

What we need now is team harmony which existed from 0 - 45 minutes of the game against Arsenal. blush.gif

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okay maybe when i was cussin glen i was a lil (very) disappointed but clearly....both were his fault nonetheless....

but then again, like many have said...if we r more productive upfront...we shouldnt be ruing over the OG....or glen's mistake ....
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QUOTE(IcyDarling @ Dec 14 2009, 05:29 PM)
i saw a thread at RaWK forum that day. They talked about putting a new formation for the team:a diamond formation like Chelsea's. What do u guys think?

Origiinal Thread
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rafa has tried a diamond formation before...in the 2005 CL biggrin.gif
formations are based on players strength and weaknesses, currently rafa doesnt have the means to do it all.
and of cos now he makes full use of torres' strength to play a 4-5-1.

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rafa has tried a diamond formation before...in the 2005 CL biggrin.gif
formations are based on players strength and weaknesses, currently rafa doesnt have the means to do it all.
and of cos now he makes full use of torres' strength to play a 4-5-1.
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Yea. We need versatile players than are able to switch from left to center to right at any time during a diamond. This is still lacking unlike Chelsea.
So unless we have a dynamic player coming soon its unlikely we stray from our usual formation.
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Glen Johnson scored an own goal. If Arbeloa is watching the match.
He think himself. Why not carragher gaduh with johnson?
And last time it was me. LOL.
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how come 2 clubs can replace 1 spot? wink.gif
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we know he is a kid, and we know he only comes out when we lose games. hence he can't count... normal

actually i think he is actually a liverpool fan at heart therefore he feels he should vent some frus towards the thread as he is definitely feeling oppress for the fact he has no attention at home.

dun worry about him, we just wanna let him know that YNWA! tongue.gif
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QUOTE(darrengoh @ Dec 14 2009, 06:53 PM)
Glen Johnson scored an own goal. If Arbeloa is watching the match.
He think himself. Why not carragher gaduh with johnson?
And last time it was me. LOL.
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cos u didnt watch the replay properly.
it all started when nasri's cross got a deflection from aurelio.
wrong footing both carra and johnson.
carra of cos fell to his butt, and the ball went off johnson's wrong foot.
basically an unlucky goal.
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anyway...wat shouldn't happen happened....
juz hope for the best at next match....n anything can happen as long as the league still goes on....
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next match we're gonna get thrashed 3-0 by wigan biggrin.gif
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waaah, that's some really ugly prediction!
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should we boost up our defensive and drop lucas for aquilani. this formation maybe?

........reina........
.........skrtel/greekman.....carra......agger........
johnson..............................................aurelio/insua
....................masherano...........
....................aquilani..............
................gerard............benny.................
..................torres................
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Diamond could work actually.. babel (imo) is tailor made for that formation. he won't track back and isn't a natural winger, but he can handle either channels quite adequately.

Torres always love to drift through the flanks and with rafa has some sort of man crush with lucas and with gerrard, aquilani and masch all have to start, 4-1-2-1-2 is the way to go..

Rafa has tried this formation before. with Luis Garcia behind the deadly duo of Cisse and Baros.

i'd love to see this line-up

Reina
Johnson Carragher Agger Aurelio
Mascherano
Gerrard Aquilani
Benayoun
Babel Torres
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Actually there shouldn't be a problem with the front and rear axis.

its the midfield axis that is giving the issues,

either not enough of supply, or not enough of control to bring the ball forward.
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Right back , we have Johnson who can do well in going all out both attacking and defending and his pace will certainly help out.With leftback like Aurelio(slow),Insua(cant read game too well),Dossena(only know how to go forward and know nuts about defending), diamond formation is suicidal.
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Highlight of the game last night..
Alonso make an appearance @ Anfield to see Aqua in action but yawning summore .. tongue.gif
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methinks there's an issue with the roles played by the CBs.

I had the impression that Kyriagkos, the way he played resembled more of a sweeper than a defender
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GG LIVERPOOL ...

bookie win big , why u guys still cant accept the fact that FOOTBALL IS JUST AN ENTERTAINMENT?


Added on December 14, 2009, 10:31 pmhttp://footballisfake.blogspot.com/

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Liverpool suck against weak team but always put on result in big match

Now they lose big game, dunno what else they good at
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QUOTE(Sifha238 @ Dec 14 2009, 10:37 PM)
Liverpool suck against weak team but always put on result in big match

Now they lose big game, dunno what else they good at
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I dunno what they good at but I certainly know what you good at

1.whoring for attention.
2.trolling
3.trying to be a hero
4.showing the whole wide world how pathetic you are
5.being the classic example of those group of "typical" mancs fans.(referring to the group of typical one, not all)

not your 1st time...definitely not ur last either.

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Who cares Torres and Aqualini back

Liverpool already out of Premier league tittle, Champion League, League Cup   shakehead.gif

That taufu Aqualini may injured back after 3-4 games and Torres will have hamstring injury again after 5-6 match
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Taufu.. lol

every team has injury proned player(s) like Aquilani. I'm not sure if you followed serie a or not, but roma has history of rushing players to action after long injury layoffs. That's why Aquilani hasn't even played 100 games in last three seasons. And that's why Rafa has been so cautious with him.

are you telling me that hargreaves (if you're a manc), rosicky (if you're a cockney mafia) are not prone to injuries?
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Wow. So, football is fake and you're telling who make better dives get better pays. No wonder Ronaldo is on top of the paylist now tongue.gif
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QUOTE(w3er @ Dec 15 2009, 01:06 AM)
from a neutral standpoint of view, i think liverpool did great on this match, but the way liverpool lost this match, i was really dumb folded
the work rate and strategy liverpool cpntaining arsenal in the 1st half was excellent, no question about that, there wasn't even a clear cut chances for arsenal in the 1st half....

arsenal first goal wasn't even a dangerous ball, but somehow glen johson can't find his footing and poke it in...

liverpool have more chances, torres in the first half and gallas fouled on gerrard was a clear penalty, i don't know how that (blind) referee miss that...

garrageher and aggar was top mark yesterday, u can really see their desire for a win, but glen johson was MIA pulak...

really dunno what to say lar....benitez or luck...hahaha

of course i was hoping for a draw, or maybe a liverpool win, but haih liverpool really mana boleh harap 1.........
can only be thankful for the other merseyside football club...
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this also want to report? report what?
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QUOTE(fk2222 @ Dec 14 2009, 10:31 PM)
GG LIVERPOOL ...

bookie win big , why u guys still cant accept the fact that FOOTBALL IS JUST AN ENTERTAINMENT?


Added on December 14, 2009, 10:31 pmhttp://footballisfake.blogspot.com/
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btw, football is a sport ... ppl take it so much serious ... shakehead.gif


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LOL..morning guys!! just to share something with u guys here..
my friend got a baby boy n he's thinking a name for his baby boy n asked my for opinion..
i gave him all kind of name like brandon,calvin n blablabla..
and lastly i put TORRES!!
and he choosed TORRES!!! LOL!!!
my anak angkat name would be TORRES CHEOK!!!!!!!

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QUOTE(fk2222 @ Dec 14 2009, 10:31 PM)
GG LIVERPOOL ...

bookie win big , why u guys still cant accept the fact that FOOTBALL IS JUST AN ENTERTAINMENT?


Added on December 14, 2009, 10:31 pmhttp://footballisfake.blogspot.com/
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yeah right..football is fake oni when ur team loss..get over it la..
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QUOTE(Casanova88 @ Dec 14 2009, 05:20 PM)
Haha..

I know it's hard to accept the FACT that liverpool is  out of the EPL title race but one thing for sure Rafa is doing a wonderful job(He still got the support from fans) plus Liverpool can nly play hard & smart just to beat MU.  icon_question.gif
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I imagine it's just as hard for you to accept the FACT that you are a cowardly, attention deprived, nerdy loser who lives his life through a computer screen because this is the only place he can talk smack and not get smacked for it. Yes, I said "COWARDLY". Prove me wrong?
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This is the first time i post any comment in the red thread, really sad to see the way Liverpool performing this season, I know, u are better than this n u r one of the title contenders.. Please buck up and stand strong.. prove that u r better than what u are rite now.. Frankly speaking, I hate to see other-club-u-know-which (recent 2 years for example) winning the league but losing to strong/top team, to me its like fake victory.

I dono… maybe just me feeling this way.. I got a feeling that Liverpool need to play with diff type of formation.. with the players currently available.. I would like to see rafa use diff formation.. maybe:-

-------------Reina------------
johnson-agger-carra-insua
------------Masch-----------
kuyt-Gerrard-Aqua-benny
-------------torres------------

** kuyt and benny storm fwd to help torres. n bear in mind, this is just my humble opinion. n i know rafa would not reading my post.. laugh.gif

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liverpool might even not qualify for next season of CL if they keep continue like this sad.gif
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QUOTE(fk2222 @ Dec 14 2009, 03:47 PM)
haha bookie earn big big keep money....see la liverpool after new year will be winning streak till get champs,,,cos other team not yet fake matches yet , see wolves match? haha...lets see , benitez smart he make all in first half season , then 2nd season play real real 99...lets see la
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bookie win big , why u guys still cant accept the fact that FOOTBALL IS JUST AN ENTERTAINMENT?


Added on December 14, 2009, 10:31 pmhttp://footballisfake.blogspot.com/
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seriously dude... u sure lost a hell lot on Sunday huh... so now gila already...

there's no fake in football dude, be logical... week in week out millions of ppl watching, how the hell they gonna cheat all the watching eyes?? if its true then all the players can win Oscar d...

plz remember this, when u bet, u bet against the odds put up by the bookie bookmakers, NOT the match itself.

The bookie company won't know wat's the outcome of the matches as well, however, wat they got is a huge massive big data of previous historical matches result which they will use to formulae and predict the scores and then create the betting odds as we see. The odds that they put up have the advantage on their side, which means bookie will have higher chances of winning.

Its all about statistics and mathematics. Seriously football in itself is not fake. That's why they said, the stupiest odds gambler are those who's fanboy. If u put urself in a neutral position, then the advantage of betting will be on ur side becoz u are SUPPOSE to fight against the bookie's odd, not the match result itself.

sorry mayb i shouldn't post stuff like this here but this fk2222 might bankrupt himself if he's a heavy book gambler.

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There is no way that Liverpool wont qualify for CL next year. We still gonna be in the top four, and how we get there? That part is uncertain.. We just need to go forward and score more goals. Thats about it smile.gif
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like i always said, wait til the end of jan / after african nations and see how the table turns out.
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from football 365.com.....

pouring more fuel into the Lucas debate.... sweat.gif sweat.gif


"Seeing Xabi Alonso in the stands yesterday broke my heart. Inevitably, I started comparing every Lucas move to what Xabi would have done last season. A couple of observations:

1. Alonso almost never attempted to regain possession by rushing forward to close in on an opponent higher up the pitch. Exerting psychological pressure he did, but he rarely went in physically unless he was very sure of clinching it. More often, he just read movements and narrowed the opponents' options, waiting for them to make a mistake. The hustling and bustling was left to Masch, and in this way they complemented each other really well. As a result the opponent found little space to probe. Lucas on the other hand thinks of himself as an even more all-action superhero than Masch. He lunges forward, attempting to rob his man of the ball. Once in a while he succeeds, but mostly he gets outmuscled, and more importantly, out-thought. If you close in on an opponent's left or right, you are making his decision-making process that much easier. Space-aware opponents with a decent amount of technique will simply turn the other way and voila! A hole in the midfield suddenly opens up! I've lost count of the number of times Lucas did exactly this last night, allowing Arsenal (with all their low centres of gravity) to twist to his other side and gallop away.

2. Alonso had an instinct for switching the direction of the play with a dropped shoulder or a cutback. He was constantly relieving the team of the stress of congested play. This provided a semblance of control, which was crucial for building confidence as a game wore on. Lucas however has none of this tactical nous. When he has the ball, his vision reduces to about 10-15 metres. The longer he weighs his options, the higher the chances that (i) he would be robbed, or (ii) he would give the ball away to an opponent in an increasingly crowded part of the pitch.

All in all, Lucas has to go. Every game, he starts off brightly, makes a couple of terrible decisions, slips and falls, gets caught out of position, and by the end of the game he's soft, panting and easy meat. Can't shoot, can't head, can barely pass, lacks height, lacks pace, not physical enough. Has heart I admit, but heart just makes it easier for fans to forgive you, heart alone does not win you games."

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bullcrap if you ask me.

1) lucas is never and will never be the same kind of player Alonso is.
2) It is not his fault that he has been asked to adapt or fill in someones shoes.
3) A tactical genius will have by now figured out a new formation, one that makes use of Lucas' strengths and not one that looks totally hopeless as the main cog has gone missing.

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Dec 15 2009, 12:51 PM)
bullcrap if you ask me.

1) lucas is never and will never be the same kind of player Alonso is.
2) It is not his fault that he has been asked to adapt or fill in someones shoes.
3) A tactical genius will have by now figured out a new formation, one that makes use of Lucas' strengths and not one that looks totally hopeless as the main cog has gone missing.

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ok, so answer this then.
what strength's does lucas have?


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QUOTE(nando @ Dec 15 2009, 12:39 PM)
Lucas on the other hand thinks of himself as an even more all-action superhero than Masch. He lunges forward, attempting to rob his man of the ball. Once in a while he succeeds, but mostly he gets outmuscled, and more importantly, out-thought. If you close in on an opponent's left or right, you are making his decision-making process that much easier. Space-aware opponents with a decent amount of technique will simply turn the other way and voila! A hole in the midfield suddenly opens up! I've lost count of the number of times Lucas did exactly this last night, allowing Arsenal (with all their low centres of gravity) to twist to his other side and gallop away.
this has been happening in every single match so far, not just the arsenal game.

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Dec 15 2009, 12:52 PM)
ok, so answer this then.
what strength's does lucas have?
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passing back and sideways. He's not that intimidating than Mascherano either. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Dec 15 2009, 12:52 PM)
ok, so answer this then.
what strength's does lucas have?
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It's not luck Lucas able to contain Ronaldo in OT last season.You can say Aurelio was there helping but why the commentators chose to praise him and not Aurelio? He was there, doing his job as a midfielder, but running to the flanks to close down Ronaldo simultaneously.

His strength? I would say it's his work rate.

Known not for his goal scoring record ,he still attracted the interest of big clubs like Inter and other top spanish clubs.Why the likes of Inter want him if he is that bad as our supporters thought he is?

Let's not forget, He begun his career as attacking midfielder, not a defending midfielder.Rafa opted to change him into a defending midfielder,believing that his work rate will somehow benefits the team.The result, however, reflects otherwise.If I'm not mistaken, Rafa only opted to switch him for defensive duty last season, which was a miserable season for Lucas.

His 1st season was good.I still remember a lot of fans were praising him and actually think that he is a good deal Rafa brought in.At the age of 20, he shown the fans he can did well despite his young age.His 1st season in a foreign league and he did well enough to win us a penalty in the derby after coming on for Gerrard.Thus, the supporters expect more from him.

However, the higher expectation of fans came at wrong time.Last season, Rafa,chose to change him into defensive midfielder.A role, Lucas never play at.A new role which requires time for him to be better.He put on miserable performance.Losing possession, tackle like sissy.I was one of those bashing and criticizing him.To add salt to injury, he conceded a late penalty, followed by a sent off in derby.He is now the scape goat.The one to be blamed for everything.

This season, the departure of Alonso, gives him the freedom to roam forward to involve in attacking.He likes to run forward.We have seen a better Lucas than last season and he has then set up a couple of goals and involves in another few that somehow contributed to the goal scored.We have also see him more often in penalty box now.He is better now.

Let's not deny he had been solid this season despite the bad results of the team.People tend to blame the bad results on Lucas but the fact is, it's Rafa's fault and not Lucas'

Like I repeatedly said before, Lucas and Mascherano are the same kind of player.Playing them together means limited creativity.Lucas, still sticking with his defensive role, as ordered by Rafa, offers little in attacking unless Gerrard is reverted back to midfielder in the match on September.

My point is, let's give him a chance to play what he is capable of, not what he is not familiar of.

For now, he might not be a good starting 11 player but he is definitely a good squad player...Who can be sure that he wont be good enuff for XII in future?A certain Darren Fletcher happened to be just squad player last few seasons and now, he seems rather important to a certain team...
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Dec 15 2009, 01:48 PM)
Like I repeatedly said before, Lucas and Mascherano are the same kind of player.Playing them together means limited creativity.Lucas, still sticking with his defensive role, as ordered by Rafa, offers little in attacking unless Gerrard is reverted back to midfielder in the match on September.
did u go cut and paste?
why are they similar? masch is obviously a holding midfield, by that ur implying that lucas is also one which would mean rafa is correct in playing him as a defensive midfielder.
and september?


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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Dec 15 2009, 01:48 PM)
It's not luck Lucas able to contain Ronaldo in OT last season.You can say Aurelio was there helping but why the commentators chose to praise him and not Aurelio? He was there, doing his job as a midfielder, but running to the flanks to close down Ronaldo simultaneously.

His strength? I would say it's his work rate.

Known not for his goal scoring record ,he still attracted the interest of big clubs like Inter and other top spanish clubs.Why the likes of Inter want him if he is that bad as our supporters thought he is?

Let's not forget, He begun his career  as attacking midfielder, not a defending midfielder.Rafa opted to change him into a defending midfielder,believing that his work rate will somehow benefits the team.The result, however, reflects otherwise.If I'm not mistaken, Rafa only opted to switch him for defensive duty last season, which was a miserable season for Lucas.

His 1st season was good.I still remember a lot of fans were praising him and actually think that he is a good deal Rafa brought in.At the age of 20, he shown the fans he can did well despite his young age.His 1st season in a foreign league and he did well enough to win us a penalty in the derby after coming on for Gerrard.Thus, the supporters expect more from him.

However, the higher expectation of fans came at wrong time.Last season, Rafa,chose to change him into defensive midfielder.A role, Lucas never play at.A new role which requires time for him to be better.He put on miserable performance.Losing possession, tackle like sissy.I was one of those bashing and criticizing him.To add salt to injury, he conceded a late penalty, followed by a sent off in derby.He is now the scape goat.The one to be blamed for everything.

This season, the departure of Alonso, gives him the freedom to roam forward to involve in attacking.He likes to run forward.We have seen a better Lucas than last season and he has then set up a couple of goals and involves in another few that somehow contributed to the goal scored.We have also see him more often in penalty box now.He is better now.

Let's not deny he had been solid this season despite the bad results of the team.People tend to blame the bad results on Lucas but the fact is, it's Rafa's fault and not Lucas'

Like I repeatedly said before, Lucas and Mascherano are the same kind of player.Playing them together means limited creativity.Lucas, still sticking with his defensive role, as ordered by Rafa, offers little in attacking unless Gerrard is reverted back to midfielder in the match on September.

My point is, let's give him a chance to play what he is capable of, not what he is not familiar of.

For now, he might not be a good starting 11 player but he is definitely a good squad player...Who can be sure that he wont be good enuff for XII in future?A certain Darren Fletcher happened to be just squad player last few seasons and now, he seems rather important to a certain team...
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btw, inter wanted him? that must've been before mourinho came in and knocked some sense into the board.
lucas 1st season? he only started 12 games, so what the fans saw were just glimpses...just like this season...all glimpses of brilliance from the team...when consistency is whats needed.
lucas last season? ie. his 2nd season? 13 games started.
i bet if alonso hadnt left, lucas would've thrown in a transfer request by now.

and defensive/attacking is more to that.
if lucas is such a great attacking player, he would contribute more to set pieces, or even bring the ball up from circle to box...like what our backs do.
torres of cos is our great first line of defense.

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Dec 15 2009, 02:00 PM)
did u go cut and paste?
why are they similar? masch is obviously a holding midfield, by that ur implying that lucas is also one which would mean rafa is correct in playing him as a defensive midfielder.
and september?
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I can't remember which match but it was around Aug/Sept where Gerrard is reverted to CM and Lucas was playing in front of SG8.

Anyway, back to the similar part,I was actually referring them as similar because they

1.play in the same role of midfield.
2.offer little in attacking
3.can't shoot well. Definitely wont be an Essien/Daniele De Rossi
4.Good in closing down others.
5.Good stamina in running whole field for 90minutes? tongue.gif

That sums up what I implied earlier. Similar kind of player although Lucas' tackling is shit and Mascherano's tackling is world class.

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by that ur implying that lucas is also one which would mean rafa is correct in playing him as a defensive midfielder.

Definitely not. To be exact, I would say Lucas is bound to Rafa's order and had his defensive role to play on.Our wingbacks go forward way too much in the sense that Lucas and Mascherano are unable to go forward too frequently , just to cover for them.Insua and Glenny, in particular, need Lucas and Mascherano's help to cover for them which is why Lucas is locked within his role and his role is similar to Masch.To defend, to win ball, to retain possesion and to cover up for Glenny, Insua, Agger, Skrtel when they go forward(set pieces included where Agger and Skrtel went forward) He's locked and it's not like that's what he is best at. wink.gif

You don't need 2 DM in every match. smile.gif

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Dec 15 2009, 02:28 PM)
I can't remember which match but it was around Aug/Sept where Gerrard is reverted to CM and Lucas was playing in front of SG8.

Anyway, back to the similar part,I was actually referring them as similar because they

1.play in the same role of midfield.
2.offer little in attacking
3.can't shoot well. Definitely wont be an Essien/Daniele De Rossi
4.Good in closing down others.
5.Good stamina in running whole field for 90minutes? tongue.gif

That sums up what I implied earlier. Similar kind of player although Lucas' tackling is shit and Mascherano's tackling is world class.
Definitely not. To be exact, I would say Lucas is bound to Rafa's order and had his defensive role to play on.Our wingbacks go forward way too much in the sense that Lucas and Mascherano are unable to go forward too frequently , just to cover for them.Insua and Glenny, in particular, need Lucas and Mascherano's help to cover for them which is why Lucas is locked within his role and his role is similar to Masch.To defend, to win ball, to retain possesion and to cover up for Glenny, Insua, Agger, Skrtel when they go forward(set pieces included where Agger and Skrtel went forward)

You don't need 2 DM in every match. smile.gif
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so based on those 5 points, what then makes lucas an attacking midfielder for liverpool?

what liverpool needs is another player with vision, able to spot the spaces that Torres and co will run into or even pass into.
currently, the only player that can read Torres runs is of cos Gerrard and vice versa...and to a certain extent Aurelio.
if u compare to the teams of old, Rush always had support from the likes of Souness, Molby, Dalglish who were all always looking for spaces to pass into that they know Rush will be there once they release the ball.
so u can see what we're missing, which Lucas obviously cant fill and hopefully Aquilani will.
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QUOTE(madmoz @ Dec 15 2009, 12:51 PM)
bullcrap if you ask me.

1) lucas is never and will never be the same kind of player Alonso is.
2) It is not his fault that he has been asked to adapt or fill in someones shoes.
3) A tactical genius will have by now figured out a new formation, one that makes use of Lucas' strengths and not one that looks totally hopeless as the main cog has gone missing.

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barking on wrong tree???? hmm.gif hmm.gif .if what you meant is we are not allowed to discuss or debate about Lucas here....i disagree ...everyone has a right to debate any players in the red shirt...as long as we dont insult them...

secondly, there is always both sides of the story when it comes to Lucas and perhaps even Rafa..

I think the original poser was just lamenting on the fact that once we lost Alonso and try to play with Lucas in the first 11, we missed some of the attributes Alonso offered..
but then, by gones are bygones and there is really no point making too much noise of what Alonso used to offer....there is no changing that now....unless Liverpool discover an identical player...which is almost impossible

then...we go back to well discussed and debated question if Lucas is what Liverpool need for now...by trying to complement him with Masch, are we sacrificing a very important element which allow Liverpool to be more dangerous and threatening when they launch an attack...From what i know...every single English First Division/EPL winning team is blessed with midfield players equipped with vision... to launch a devastating move...

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no, no, don't get me wrong - it is the constant Lucas bashing that i do not understand. lucas crap, lucas sucks blah blah blah.

yet few blame Rafa for sticking with Lucas. it's rafa's bloody incompetance that we are stil struggling to use a system that was tailor made to Alonso's rather unique abilities. mad.gif

at times, it almost seems that the midfield has no clue how to get the ball to our forwards. it's pitiful viewing, really. doh.gif

as for his strengths, i always believe that of all our players, Lucas embodies the pass and move mentality most, short simple passes and quick movement into space, iirc that was what he was about when he first joined us. only the coaching staff will know why he's gone backwards.
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Dec 15 2009, 02:40 PM)
so based on those 5 points, what then makes lucas an attacking midfielder for liverpool?

what liverpool needs is another player with vision, able to spot the spaces that Torres and co will run into or even pass into.
currently, the only player that can read Torres runs is of cos Gerrard and vice versa...and to a certain extent Aurelio.
if u compare to the teams of old, Rush always had support from the likes of Souness, Molby, Dalglish who were all always looking for spaces to pass into that they know Rush will be there once they release the ball.
so u can see what we're missing, which Lucas obviously cant fill and hopefully Aquilani will.
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I cant deny that Lucas doesn't have the vision to make smart passes and through ball but in recent games, he showed us he can actually came at the right place when he is needed.I remember seeing him at the right place where attacking midfielders like Benny and Kuyt should be.Also, I have seen him running through the flanks, beating defenders, arrived in the penalty box, back passed it to Gerrard who was also in penalty box only for the latter to screw up and missed the chance to score( Forget which match but I remember his running..Superb run).

He has the sense/instinct of an attacking midfielder to come at the right place,involving in attacks, his shots are poor though.

Let's not forget, his tackles are poor.Sissy tackles, girlish header in our penalty box.He is not meant for defensive duty although his work rate and closing down are suggesting otherwise.I would like to see him going forward.Maybe a Lucas- Aquilani combo isn't that bad eh? They can take turn going forward.Most of Aquilani's long shots goals for Roma actually came from the role where he is behind an AM.His role is more like a central midfielder and not an AM.

Btw, speaking of clever passes and vision to spot spaces, We actually had 4 choices for now.

1. Benny
2. Stevie
3. Aurelio
4. Agger

And if you include Aquilani, it would make it 5.

The problem is, Rafa prefer to play Benny on flanks.Aurelio is inconsistent in that role,remember the match he screw up for us when he played as mid this season ?Stevie is more like a striker than anything else. Agger is of course, sticking with his CB position.

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Dec 15 2009, 02:57 PM)
no, no, don't get me wrong - it is the constant Lucas bashing that i do not understand. lucas crap, lucas sucks blah blah blah.

yet few blame Rafa for sticking with Lucas. it's rafa's bloody incompetance that we are stil struggling to use a system that was tailor made to Alonso's rather unique abilities. mad.gif

at times, it almost seems that the midfield has no clue how to get the ball to our forwards. it's pitiful viewing, really. doh.gif

as for his strengths, i always believe that of all our players, Lucas embodies the pass and move mentality most, short simple passes and quick movement into space, iirc that was what he was about when he first joined us. only the coaching staff will know why he's gone backwards.
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if you're from the pass and move era of Dalgish management, i remembered in a very old issue of SHOOT magazine how Steve McMahon used to say they spend most of their training under Dalglish playing five a sides....just sharpening their passing and movement blink.gif blink.gif
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if i read your post correctly, you want Lucas play as AM right? and Gerrard as Midfield.. i have said it before in one liner post (that duke almost angry about one liner.. hehehee) ...what wondering me now, why Rafa like to change players actual role like Kuyt, who was a striker before he came to Liverpool, and play him as a winger ? YES, I agree if Rafa see Kuyt was good at that position, and after he play as winger, he can give some/big impact to the team....

what if not? still play him there? still BELIEVE he can be good like beckham? Punalan? (hehehe)....till what extend? 1 years? 2 years? ...so this is the things that Manager should think...revert back where should he play and find someone that was good in that position.....same story here about Lucas...play him as AM...i believe he was good as an AM...

so, my point here, Rafa like to change his player role, AM to DM, Striker to Winger....anyone can show me who others manager do the same thing like Rafa?

p/s: Babel also...Striker to LM... rclxub.gif

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QUOTE(normeck @ Dec 15 2009, 03:13 PM)
if i read your post correctly, you want Lucas play as AM right? and Gerrard as Midfield.. i have said it before in one liner post (that duke almost angry about one liner.. hehehee) ...what wondering me now, why Rafa like to change players actual role like Kuyt, who was a striker before he came to Liverpool, and play him as a winger ? YES, I agree if Rafa see Kuyt was good at that position, and after he play as winger, he can give some/big impact to the team....

what if not? still play him there? still BELIEVE he can be good like beckham?  Punalan? (hehehe)....till what extend? 1 years? 2 years? ...so this is the things that Manager should think...revert back where should he play and find someone that was good in that position.....same story here about Lucas...play him as AM...i believe he was good as an AM...

so, my point here, Rafa like to change his player role, AM to DM, Striker to Winger....anyone can show me who others manager do the same thing like Rafa?

p/s: Babel also...Striker to LM... rclxub.gif
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Babel used to play LM for Ajax too if I'm not mistaken. biggrin.gif

As for Kuyt, I do think that he plays better on right flank instead of in front of goals because he offers more there.His recent form is terrible though and I start to think that age might have catch up on him. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Dec 15 2009, 03:16 PM)
Babel used to play LM for Ajax too if I'm not mistaken. biggrin.gif

As for Kuyt, I do think that he plays better on right flank instead of in front of goals because he offers more there.His recent form is terrible though and I start to think that age might have catch up on him. tongue.gif
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the problem is theres no one suitable on the right cept for kuyt tongue.gif
benny, babel seems to prefer cutting it from left to right for the shot rather than passing from the right.


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QUOTE(normeck @ Dec 15 2009, 03:13 PM)
if i read your post correctly, you want Lucas play as AM right? and Gerrard as Midfield.. i have said it before in one liner post (that duke almost angry about one liner.. hehehee) ...what wondering me now, why Rafa like to change players actual role like Kuyt, who was a striker before he came to Liverpool, and play him as a winger ? YES, I agree if Rafa see Kuyt was good at that position, and after he play as winger, he can give some/big impact to the team....

what if not? still play him there? still BELIEVE he can be good like beckham?  Punalan? (hehehe)....till what extend? 1 years? 2 years? ...so this is the things that Manager should think...revert back where should he play and find someone that was good in that position.....same story here about Lucas...play him as AM...i believe he was good as an AM...

so, my point here, Rafa like to change his player role, AM to DM, Striker to Winger....anyone can show me who others manager do the same thing like Rafa?

p/s: Babel also...Striker to LM... rclxub.gif
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but but but.... johnson gets upfield faster to put in the cross from his defensive position than kuyt from the halfway line laugh.gif

edit: damn, what happened to my grammar! laugh.gif

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Lucas is our new Igor Biscan isn't he? Both were played out of position and they responded by playing like crap. Both have heart and both were wanted by top European sides. Both get on with their respective jobs with no complains.
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arsenal just got lucky that night.. and most of our players just returned from injury (torres,gerrard,benny) , need to recover their form

we could have won like 5-2 hands down notworthy.gif .. shocking.gif but glenny's OG was shocking as hell lol

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Dec 15 2009, 03:16 PM)
Babel used to play LM for Ajax too if I'm not mistaken. biggrin.gif

As for Kuyt, I do think that he plays better on right flank instead of in front of goals because he offers more there.His recent form is terrible though and I start to think that age might have catch up on him. tongue.gif
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we should drop kuyt, he lack of pace, creativity, dribbling skills and one touch ability. The only run and work like a cow. We able to bring johnson as his position and degen/darby backup him like wad aurelio doing now. Lucas is great for me but inconsistent. if elzhar is fit, bring him and fit into right flank. for me pacheco is great but rafalution will nvr play him for now. Rafa magic is gone. he is no longer last season rafa.

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QUOTE(normeck @ Dec 15 2009, 03:13 PM)
if i read your post correctly, you want Lucas play as AM right? and Gerrard as Midfield.. i have said it before in one liner post (that duke almost angry about one liner.. hehehee) ...what wondering me now, why Rafa like to change players actual role like Kuyt, who was a striker before he came to Liverpool, and play him as a winger ? YES, I agree if Rafa see Kuyt was good at that position, and after he play as winger, he can give some/big impact to the team....

what if not? still play him there? still BELIEVE he can be good like beckham?  Punalan? (hehehe)....till what extend? 1 years? 2 years? ...so this is the things that Manager should think...revert back where should he play and find someone that was good in that position.....same story here about Lucas...play him as AM...i believe he was good as an AM...

so, my point here, Rafa like to change his player role, AM to DM, Striker to Winger....anyone can show me who others manager do the same thing like Rafa?

p/s: Babel also...Striker to LM... rclxub.gif
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Rafa like those versatile player and all our 1st team player can play 2 position except for reina or torres.
I think Rafa want babel play as winger is to learn how to get the ball from midfield and not always been feed by our midfield.(this happen to cisse last time)Even Torres sometimes drop down to get the ball.With his pace he can be really dangerous , but he must learn the best position to collect the ball first .We can see how many assist by Kuyt last season.He knows where the striker want the ball so he can make the cross or through ball to Torres.

Gerrard are dangerous as AM because he can speed through defender from nowhere.For example , his goalS against Newcastle last season smile.gif
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QUOTE(leaF @ Dec 15 2009, 06:13 PM)
Rafa like those versatile player and all our 1st team player can play 2 position except for reina or torres.
I think Rafa want babel play as winger is to learn how to get the ball from midfield and not always been feed by our midfield.(this happen to cisse last time)Even Torres sometimes drop down to get the ball.With his pace he can be really dangerous , but he must learn the best position to collect the ball first .We can see how many assist by Kuyt last season.He knows where the striker want the ball so he can make the cross or through ball to Torres.

Gerrard are dangerous as AM because he can speed through defender from nowhere.For example , his goalS against Newcastle last season  smile.gif
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Even Reina can play 2 positions.I remember he played as midfielder in one of the preseason match last season tongue.gif Almost scored a stunner tongue.gif rclxm9.gif

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cool liverpool!
any say about wigan liverpool?
i say 3-0 wohoo!

edit-liverpool ftw of course

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lets play mr aqualani for full 90 mins this time around eh, rafa?
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QUOTE(hafni_matt @ Dec 15 2009, 06:43 PM)
cool liverpool!
any say about wigan liverpool?
i say 3-0 wohoo!

edit-liverpool ftw of course
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Dec 15 2009, 08:16 PM)
Wigan 3 Liverpool 0  biggrin.gif  laugh.gif
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1' Lucas Leiva ( OG )
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89' Jamie Carragher ( OG ) rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(MariMo @ Dec 15 2009, 08:38 PM)
1'  Lucas Leiva ( OG )
45 + 1 ' Glen Johnson ( OG )
89'  Jamie Carragher ( OG )  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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Holy crap.You just listed our own goal masters. tongue.gif

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Rafa: Starlet has bright future


Rafael Benitez believes Daniel Pacheco's cameo role against Fiorentina showed he is capable of performing at a high level.

The Spanish starlet made his debut during the 2-1 defeat and almost scored with his first touch of the ball.

The 18-year-old has been one of the most consistent performers for John McMahon's table-topping reserve team this season and the boss insists there is a lot more to come from him.

"Pacheco is a player with quality who has been doing really well for the reserve team," Benitez told Liverpoolfc.tv.

"When you are a young player with quality you need to show the passion and the spirit. We didn't have any doubt about him in terms of his quality and now he has to keep working hard because he is very close to the first team squad.

"He showed his quality when he came on against Fiorentina and he also showed that he wasn't afraid of his opponents.

"He now needs to keep working hard and be consistent. If he can do that then he will have a chance with the first team."


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hey wait , i was in Taiwan during the game we played against fiorentina . So the Pacheco started ?

Btw dun put love sign damn gay wey HAHAHAHA
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QUOTE(MariMo @ Dec 15 2009, 08:47 PM)
hey wait , i was in Taiwan during the game we played against fiorentina . So the Pacheco started ?

Btw dun put love sign damn gay wey HAHAHAHA
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He is my second love after Insua..Of course, I gonna put love sign... tongue.gif wub.gif wub.gif wub.gif
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pacheco is great. he > babel
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Babel is great just Rafa dont let him play often.
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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Dec 15 2009, 09:49 PM)
Babel is great just Rafa dont let him play often.
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van persie and babel up front, that will be interesting.
2 strikers who both will refuse to hold the ball to feed the other.


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QUOTE(MariMo @ Dec 15 2009, 08:38 PM)
1'  Lucas Leiva ( OG )
45 + 1 ' Glen Johnson ( OG )
89'  Jamie Carragher ( OG )  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif
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i can see that some of u guys have gone insane, after witnessing 1 of liverpool's many troubled season...

stay strong my friends, have faith.....


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let pacheco on then... try him on the first half and rest kuyt. surely he's not worst than kuyt on current from rite.

when the last time liverpool ever played < 20 y/o player regularly? i forgot.. gerrard?
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QUOTE(rushmode @ Dec 16 2009, 01:30 AM)
let pacheco on then... try him on the first half and rest kuyt. surely he's not worst than kuyt on current from rite.

when the last time liverpool ever played < 20 y/o player regularly? i forgot.. gerrard?
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Went back a page and saw a pageful discussion of Lucas, why can't we come to terms that we have been going around circles since the beginning of the year? And why is Lucas even an issue now?

We've shown against the Ars in the first half that we can beat teams. If the front 4 actually kept possession; Torres buried that chance; Gerrard getting the penalty decision; we kept pressing them in the 2nd half... we would have buried the game. As much as the media want to make out of Wenger's hairdryer rant, they only had 2 half-chances in the entire game. 2! It makes you wonder how we turn from a high pressing team to a highly depressing team at a turn of the match.

The real problem in the team is... mentality and leadership.
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since we lost almost everything , time to let our youngster got a chance to play
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Hmm seems Kuyt has become increasingly unpopular. Let's delve a little deeper into his predicament. If posters can sympathise with Lucas being played out of position, can the same not be said of Kuyt? The Premiership is played at a high tempo (unless you're Liverpool tongue.gif), and pace has become increasingly important. If you are a winger, you either need to be quick, tricky or both. Kuyt has neither of this traits. What he does well is he tracks back to help defensively, and he runs himself to the ground. Going forward, I personally think he has good movement off the ball. Yes, Kuyt does play on the right but like Babel, he usually players on the right side of a trident in attack, he isn't stuck wide right like he is with us sometimes. Anyone remember last season when we started playing positive football for a change and Kuyt was played further up the park where he flourished? He ended the season with 15 goals to his name. That's my take. If you sympathise with Lucas, why not Kuyt?
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Kuyt was good as a winger for the moment cause we dont really have a player that can be replace in that position. Rafa rotation on that side was who? Benny ? El-Zhar?...i think i have see someone post that Benny was good on right if im not mistaken....for me the problem was, we always change player position, that will make player not 'mastered' in their respective role...how can engineer can be master what he studied if he doing marketing? ...did we see others Manager try to play their player at the wrong position or not familiar with? what others manager do was replace it with the right player....please tell me cause i seldom see others league...
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never to bash kuyt but he need to to be rested. he played almost all the game in this current and last season. he did god last year but currently he's not on form. rafa likes him because of the work rate he produced but surely he can be rested for certain games.
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Kuyt is off form.Nuff said.I remember someone posted an article about Rafa should drop the undroppable. I agree with that. Players like Carra, Gerrard and Kuyt have their own poor form period.If we keep sticking with them, we will perform badly. Give them a rest, perhaps, that might do a trick and let them regain their own form.

Few of us here were saying that there are no players able to fill in the right flank.El Zhar is injured...Yes but we have Eccleston.If we never play them, how can they gain experience and become better? What's the point of buying them?

We have the HG players problem to deal with in a couple of years time.We need these players to get exposed to the Premier League games and prepare them for the future.

We have seen glimpse of Pacheco, Kelly, Darby, Ayala..So why not Eccleston? He looks great for reserve and fairly consistent as well.Recently, he just rejected a contract extension from us and rumours have it that he want to play his trade elsewhere because the lack of opportunities given.

If Rafa is reluctant to try out these youngsters, there is no point for us to buy them and keep them in reserve.

P.S: Although he plays more as striker... tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Dec 15 2009, 04:48 PM)
so yea.
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hopefully will get a good result tonight. whistling.gif

any prediction on starting line up?
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but i think kuyt did okay as a winger....not much pace...but he defends and makes good runs....did anyone see that run he made...then someone (i think aqua or masch) made that diagonal ball into the open space on the right....to bad the ball was passed a lil too much infront that he cant control it and kept it in play....
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I remember Maddie once said about player with pace always dangerous to the team.I was wondering why we didn't get some.

Besides Glenny,Masch, Gerrard, Torres and benny, the rest are pretty slow.Flanks players like Kuyt, Riera and others should be speedy.That would allow us to be more dangerous and to catch the opponents off guard with counter attacking football.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Dec 16 2009, 12:27 PM)
Kuyt is off form.Nuff said.I remember someone posted an article about Rafa should drop the undroppable. I agree with that. Players like Carra, Gerrard and Kuyt have their own poor form period.If we keep sticking with them, we will perform badly. Give them a rest, perhaps, that might do a trick and let them regain their own form.

Few of us here were saying that there are no players able to fill in the right flank.El Zhar is injured...Yes but we have Eccleston.If we never play them, how can they gain experience and become better? What's the point of buying them?

We have the HG players problem to deal with in a couple of years time.We need these players to get exposed to the Premier League games and prepare them for the future.

We have seen glimpse of Pacheco, Kelly, Darby, Ayala..So why not Eccleston? He looks great for reserve and fairly consistent as well.Recently, he just rejected a contract extension from us and rumours have it that he want to play his trade elsewhere because the lack of opportunities given.

If Rafa is reluctant to try out these youngsters, there is no point for us to buy them and keep them in reserve.

P.S: Although he plays more as striker... tongue.gif
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hey sols...the thing is...hav those youngsters been trainig with te 1st 11?? if they are not...its pretty useless as they cant fit into the team....i think i read somewhere in lfc.tv that some youngsters are alrdy training with the 1st 11 guys but the thing is never actually saw them in those "pic of the week / training session pics"
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Dec 16 2009, 12:27 PM)
Kuyt is off form.Nuff said.I remember someone posted an article about Rafa should drop the undroppable. I agree with that. Players like Carra, Gerrard and Kuyt have their own poor form period.If we keep sticking with them, we will perform badly. Give them a rest, perhaps, that might do a trick and let them regain their own form.

Few of us here were saying that there are no players able to fill in the right flank.El Zhar is injured...Yes but we have Eccleston.If we never play them, how can they gain experience and become better? What's the point of buying them?

We have the HG players problem to deal with in a couple of years time.We need these players to get exposed to the Premier League games and prepare them for the future.

We have seen glimpse of Pacheco, Kelly, Darby, Ayala..So why not Eccleston? He looks great for reserve and fairly consistent as well.Recently, he just rejected a contract extension from us and rumours have it that he want to play his trade elsewhere because the lack of opportunities given.

If Rafa is reluctant to try out these youngsters, there is no point for us to buy them and keep them in reserve.

P.S: Although he plays more as striker... tongue.gif
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yup, this is one gripes on Rafa. he doesn't give the promising youngsters enough exposures on the top flight. positives buzz on the forwards: pacheco, nemeth, eccelstone in the reserve league but yet we barely see the guys played. not saying should played them on the bigger games. it's good enough with the cup games and some PL games with the lower team where most seniors doesn't give 100% sometimes.

off course rafa is stuck in "damn if he do, damn if he don't [sic]" dilemma.. but still, these youngsters will look somewhere else to play if they never given the chances which is a damn shame.
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QUOTE(ezikie1 @ Dec 16 2009, 12:33 PM)
hey sols...the thing is...hav those youngsters been trainig with te 1st 11?? if they are not...its pretty useless as they cant fit into the team....i think i read somewhere in lfc.tv that some youngsters are alrdy training with the 1st 11 guys but the thing is never actually saw them in those "pic of the week / training session pics"
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I think some of them do train with 1st team.I remember some of them came out talking about their happiness ,having the chance to train with the senior players.

Btw, Johnson and Masch are doubtful for tonight, according to the official website.

I wonder if that's a hint that Rafa gonna drop Johnson because of his poor performance last match. Masch might pick up a knock but Glenny?

Who to start on right? Degen? Carra? Darby? Kelly?


I think tonight Carra will play there. wink.gif
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dropping johnson for the match tonight will just kill off whatever confidence johnson had from the last match.
rafa will be mad to do that.
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agree...seems we have nothing much to aim this season, let the youngster play and gel them with the 1st team...normally this youngster, have high spirit ....give them chance...

Carra? hahaha...

Reina
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Dec 16 2009, 12:46 PM)
dropping johnson for the match tonight will just kill off whatever confidence johnson had from the last match.
rafa will be mad to do that.
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Anything is possible under Rafa tongue.gif Degen FTW! rclxm9.gif

I m hoping that Masch can warm the bench tonight, so that Aqui and Lucas can play together.

Lineup I hope to see tonight:


Reina

Degen---Carra---Agger---Insua

----------Lucas-----------

Benny---Aquilani---- Riera

-----------Gerrard-------------

-----------Torres--------------



But I think Rafa will field this


Reina

Carra---Skrtel---Agger---Insua

----------Lucas-----------

Kuyt---Aquilani---- Benny

-----------Gerrard-------------

-----------Torres--------------


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i think it's gonna be 442.. Torres+N'gog... huh!
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riena
johnson carra agger insua
kuyt masch lucas benny
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who's riena? latest signing?? lol

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I remembered when first year Rafa managed Liverpool, every game always rotate players until people can't understand why, after 5 years, never rotate players, always the same line-up even winless in 12-13 matches, and easy predictable by opponent team.

When players can't perform, it is time to look for plan B, let youngster have some run (after all already lose, no more harm done) or having some tweak here and there.

But having said so, I don't think changing players will improve much, because it is obvious that current major problem is mentality and confidence. When players are "head down" on conceeding goal, instead look for goal to cancel out the goal conceded, then we know what's the problem.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 16 2009, 01:20 PM)
I remembered when first year Rafa managed Liverpool, every game always rotate players until people can't understand why, after 5 years, never rotate players, always the same line-up even winless in 12-13 matches, and easy predictable by opponent team.

When players can't perform, it is time to look for plan B, let youngster have some run (after all already lose, no more harm done) or having some tweak here and there.

But having said so, I don't think changing players will improve much, because it is obvious that current major problem is mentality and confidence. When players are "head down" on conceeding goal, instead look for goal to cancel out the goal conceded, then we know what's the problem.
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Something the crop of youngsters wont have any problem dealing with, no? Another reason why I think youngsters like Pacheco wub.gif , Ayala, Darby, Kelly, Eccleston should be fielded more often.
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I think rafa has too many fringe players in his squad.

everytime he signs a player I'll be like " who the friggin' hell is this guy? "
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Tonight dream line up-

-----------Ribena-----------
Degen-Carra-Agger-Insua
------------Lucas------------
---------------------Dossena
Benny------------------------
------AA---------Gerrard----
------------Torres------------

Rafa possible line-up

-------------Reina---------------
Carra-Skrtel--Agger--F.Aurelio
-------------Lucas---------------
Kuyt-----------Gerrard--Benny
--------Ngog-------Torres-------

4-4-2 tonight!
Might see Voro as a sub as well
Rafa you never fail to amuse me! smile.gif

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One more thing about Rafa, this season I wonder why his carling cup squad was not mouthwatering like MU or Arsenal squad..Boy we do have a nice reserve squad and hot youngsters.. yet he still play the fringe players.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Dec 16 2009, 01:25 PM)
Something the crop of youngsters wont have any problem dealing with, no? Another reason why I think youngsters like Pacheco wub.gif , Ayala, Darby, Kelly, Eccleston should be fielded more often.
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I don't know what Rafa thinks, but from the comment on Aqualani, it seem like chicken and egg theory.

Aquilani recovered from injury just fit, don't have match fitness, so can't play him or can't start him, but if you don't start him or play him, how can he gain match fitness?

Same with youngster

Youngsters are inexperience, can make mistake and resulted losses,
If you don't let them have some chance to play, how can they gain experience and improve.

Or the reserves team/youngster are that bad? which I don't know.

But if those youngster are that bad, no point keeping them as well.

I don't see Liverpool has new face of youngster which being promoted from reserves team, may be except Insua.

Sometimes I really admire and salute Wenger has sharp eye on talent and dare to give them a try. Some risk need to be taken to try it out sometimes.

I don't mean criticising Rafa, as every manager has their fair share of poor signing as well, but Rafa until now is not known for shrewd in dealing in transfer market (he has no control of transfer back Valencia time). He also new in transfer market.

Apart from Torres and Macherano, others so so only while Liverpool often don't get cheaply on its transfer target while most of the time lose money in transfer market. (buy 5 million and after a year or 2, no good, ship out with 1-2 million)


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What is the definition of "not fully fit" anyway? I mean Rafa played Torres even when he wasn't "fully fit", as he did Gerrard prior. So what does this term actually mean? I know for a fact it doesn't refer to a player who is still in crutches.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Dec 16 2009, 12:33 PM)
I remember Maddie once said about player with pace always dangerous to the team.I was wondering why we didn't get some.

Besides Glenny,Masch, Gerrard, Torres and benny, the rest are pretty slow.Flanks players like Kuyt, Riera and others should be speedy.That would allow us to be more dangerous and to catch the opponents off guard with counter attacking football.
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yup, this is one gripes on Rafa. he doesn't give the promising youngsters enough exposures on the top flight. positives buzz on the forwards: pacheco, nemeth, eccelstone in the reserve league but yet we barely see the guys played. not saying should played them on the bigger games. it's good enough with the cup games and some PL games with the lower team where most seniors doesn't give 100% sometimes.

off course rafa is stuck in "damn if he do, damn if he don't [sic]" dilemma.. but still, these youngsters will look somewhere else to play if they never given the chances which is a damn shame.
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It's not easy to introduce youngsters when you're losing. As you could see, Plessis, Spearing and Eccleston suffered when they were thrown into tight games where the senior players aren't doing well.

On the contrary, I think Rafa has been putting more trust into the youngsters more than say, last season given the circumstances. Kelly got a start against Lyon ahead of Carra and Degen; Pacheco given a runout when it would have been safe to swap Aqua for Lucas or Voronin. Insua, though inexperience and often caught out defensively (And to think that we labeled him a defensive manager!) was played - in fact, overplayed - in every match despite Doss being available. Not forgetting Ngog has been selected ahead of Kuyt and Voronin. These are some that have done well so far, whilst the likes of Spearing, Plessis, Eccleston, Ayala and Darby have been used to mixed results.

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What is the definition of "not fully fit" anyway? I mean Rafa played Torres even when he wasn't "fully fit", as he did Gerrard prior. So what does this term actually mean? I know for a fact it doesn't refer to a player who is still in crutches.
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If someone is not fit, he wouldnt be in the lineup or the subs anyway. I kinda lol'ed at the sentence fully fit. As long as the player is on the teams list, he's fit already. If not fit or "fully fit" means cannot even be on the bench list. I understand what others are trying to explain, but there must be another word for it.

Kuyt should rest, he has been playing like almost every matches for us, when torres and gerrard are away, or when bennayoun too, we see kuyt all the time. He's just not in good form. He has good control with the ball(holding the ball etc) which is why i see him playing on the right. He's damn hardworking too. A tireless player, not really performing this season tho..but past few seasons? I think he's been awesome. Even for the netherlands.

But guess besides that, we are lack of options to play on the right. Bennayoun maybe? But we'll need him in another position.

I have my support for Dirk Kuyt.

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Rafa put up some bold statement according to soccernet.com

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Manager Rafael Benitez will continue to shoulder the burden of criticism for his faltering Liverpool team and is prepared to ''guarantee'' that the club will finish in the top four this season as he believes only minor changes need to be made.


Something make or break statement? sweat.gif
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I wouldn't pay too much attention to what's been said. I mean wasn't the Everton game supposed to be the turning point of our season, or was it the Man Utd game? Weren't we supposed to still be in the Champions League? Do the talking on the pitch I say.
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Yes it is not easy to be a Manager, but Rafa just qualified for that,.he sign the contract that says he must bring Liverpool glorious day(something like that la)... so you must prepare to have problem like injured player, low cash flow, players form....
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UK's Daily Mirror reported that the ruling family of the UAE wants talks with the yanks to discuss possible investments.

Change of ownership is the no.1 thing that must happen before Liverpool can realistically challenge for honours again. No.2 is hopefully the new owner(s) will have enough money to throw Benitez out..

Then we then talk about 1st team players, reserve players and youngsters. Until then, we are just talking about hoping that the players can perform despite the manager and owners!

I will heave a sigh of relief when Liverpool gets 34 points .. then another sigh when we get 53 points. Anything more would be a big Bonus for this season.

How can a manager "guarantee" how his team finishes in such circumstances - I've lost all respect for this chap.
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the yanks will make sure they gonna get huge profit before considering to sell. i read the asking price were 700m pounds.. thats double the amount that they never really paid for to buy the club.
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dropping johnson for the match tonight will just kill off whatever confidence johnson had from the last match.
rafa will be mad to do that.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Dec 16 2009, 03:21 PM)
I wouldn't pay too much attention to what's been said. I mean wasn't the Everton game supposed to be the turning point of our season, or was it the Man Utd game? Weren't we supposed to still be in the Champions League? Do the talking on the pitch I say.
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thats why there is reserve league ... epl matches are not testing ground ... fans pay money expected to watch top quality football ...


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What is the definition of "not fully fit" anyway? I mean Rafa played Torres even when he wasn't "fully fit", as he did Gerrard prior. So what does this term actually mean? I know for a fact it doesn't refer to a player who is still in crutches.
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another home defeat tonight will be unbearable... especially if either Spurs or Man City triumphs tonight...

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Tonight line up will be this? smile.gif

======Reina=====
Carra==Agger==Skrtel==Aurelio
=====Lucas==Aquilani===
=Kuyt====Gerrard====Benny=
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another home defeat tonight will be unbearable... especially if either Spurs or Man City triumphs tonight...

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Don't worry Liverpool will win. I don't know why the fans here keep condemning their team because of "a" lose to Arsenal. I think it's nothing to be ashamed of losing to Arsenal. Liverpool is still a very good team from my point of view.
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yea, well you cant win all games all of the time, but at least ffs try to win some of the games some of the time.
7 wins in 16 games isnt what you call inspiring...
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Tom Hicks edges closer to Texas Rangers sale sparking hope of fresh investment for debt-ridden Liverpool

Liverpool co-owner Tom Hicks has moved a step closer to selling the Texas Rangers Major League Baseball franchise in a move that could free up funds for his indebted Barclays Premier League club.

Hicks found a number of interested bidders for the Rangers, and late last night selected a group led by Pittsburgh lawyer Chuck Greenberg to enter exclusive negotiations.

Hicks now has 30 days to agree a deal with Greenberg before submitting plans to MLB for approval.

The banks that hold Hicks' debt must also approve any sale. The deal would see the Hicks family retain a small share of the team.

No price has been revealed, but it is estimated the Rangers could fetch up to £300million.

'Our family has chosen to negotiate with the group we believe will be best to protect and ensure the long-term positive future of this franchise,'

Hicks said in a statement that appeared on the Rangers website.

'We understand that this is more than a transaction. You never really own a baseball team; you just have the right to be the trustee of a public institution.'

Hicks has been working since last spring to sell the Rangers due to the debts held by his Hicks Sports Group, which defaulted on debts attached to the Rangers and Dallas Stars National Hockey League franchise back in May.

Hicks also has significant debts attributed to his co-ownership of Liverpool with George Gillett.

Earlier this month, Gillett completed a deal to sell the Montreal Canadiens NHL franchise but is yet to invest any of the £333million that deal reaped into Liverpool.

The Anfield club's debts are estimated to stand at around £240million, and manager Rafael Benitez last week suggested they were hampering Liverpool's ability to compete.

Despite selling their other sporting interests, it is reported that Hicks and Gillett are continuing to seek investors in Liverpool.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...l#ixzz0Zr1hnYRI




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Misfiring Liverpool set to win the race for Real Madrid forgotten man Ruud van Nistelrooy


Liverpool are ready to take Ruud van Nistelrooy on loan for six months when the January transfer window opens.

The former Manchester United striker, who underwent a successful operation to have his tonsils removed yesterday, is desperate to leave Real Madrid to play regular football and be part of Holland's World Cup squad.

Liverpool are reluctant to sign Van Nistelrooy permanently but manager Rafa Benitez knows he needs someone to play alongside Fernando Torres to rekindle the Reds' season.

However, the Bernabeu hierarchy are determined to off load the 33-year-old on a permanent basis and any switch will rely on Benitez persuading the Spanish giants to let him have the striker on loan.

Van Nistelrooy is fit after a long-term knee injury but with Raul, Cristiano Ronaldo, Kaka, Higuain and Karim Benzema ahead of him his chances at the Bernabeu are limited.

Arsenal and Blackburn Rovers have also shown an interest in Van Nistelrooy but the striker is believed to favour a move to Anfield.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...l#ixzz0Zr1yMIUv

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So torres ready to play alongside with RVN.. Next time formation will be 4-4-2 smile.gif
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The Anfield club's debts are estimated to stand at around £240million, and manager Rafael Benitez last week suggested they were hampering Liverpool's ability to compete.
This is what i don't quite understand.
MU and Chelsea both have larger debts, yet they seem to seem have more $$$ to buy players vmad.gif
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QUOTE(socratesman @ Dec 16 2009, 09:52 PM)
This is what i don't quite understand.
MU and Chelsea both have larger debts, yet they seem to seem have more $$$ to buy players vmad.gif
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Because, Those 2 clubs you mentioned, let the profit gained went bac to transfer budget and ours are used to repay debt and the yanks expenses when they fly to Liverpool.

We pay their Hotel, flight and other expenses. sad.gif

And ManU and Chelsea didn't try to reduce their debt, merely maintain if I'm not mistaken while ours, we try to reduce it.

Plus, Chelsea's debt is owed to their own owner and not bank...So, that's an advantage. nod.gif
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Both clubs are also already raking in a looooot more money than we do, esp the Mancs, which give them higher spending power. The stadium for one, we already lose out in tickets due to the smaller numbers of seats and in merchandising of jerseys and goodies all around the world.
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Misfiring Liverpool set to win the race for Real Madrid forgotten man Ruud van Nistelrooy


Liverpool are ready to take Ruud van Nistelrooy on loan for six months when the January transfer window opens.

The former Manchester United striker, who underwent a successful operation to have his tonsils removed yesterday, is desperate to leave Real Madrid to play regular football and be part of Holland's World Cup squad.

Liverpool are reluctant to sign Van Nistelrooy permanently but manager Rafa Benitez knows he needs someone to play alongside Fernando Torres to rekindle the Reds' season.

However, the Bernabeu hierarchy are determined to off load the 33-year-old on a permanent basis and any switch will rely on Benitez persuading the Spanish giants to let him have the striker on loan.

Van Nistelrooy is fit after a long-term knee injury but with Raul, Cristiano Ronaldo, Kaka, Higuain and Karim Benzema ahead of him his chances at the Bernabeu are limited.

Arsenal and Blackburn Rovers have also shown an interest in Van Nistelrooy but the striker is believed to favour a move to Anfield.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...l#ixzz0Zr1yMIUv
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So torres ready to play alongside with RVN.. Next time formation will be 4-4-2 smile.gif
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I wonder if that is true. most probably RVN will be used as substitute. just like Owen. but i'm not Rafa. who knows what Rafa had in mind.
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means torres going to be sub with babel and kuyt playing up front with VNS in a 4-3-3 biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Dec 16 2009, 08:31 PM)
Misfiring Liverpool set to win the race for Real Madrid forgotten man Ruud van Nistelrooy


Liverpool are ready to take Ruud van Nistelrooy on loan for six months when the January transfer window opens.

The former Manchester United striker, who underwent a successful operation to have his tonsils removed yesterday, is desperate to leave Real Madrid to play regular football and be part of Holland's World Cup squad.

Liverpool are reluctant to sign Van Nistelrooy permanently but manager Rafa Benitez knows he needs someone to play alongside Fernando Torres to rekindle the Reds' season.

However, the Bernabeu hierarchy are determined to off load the 33-year-old on a permanent basis and any switch will rely on Benitez persuading the Spanish giants to let him have the striker on loan.

Van Nistelrooy is fit after a long-term knee injury but with Raul, Cristiano Ronaldo, Kaka, Higuain and Karim Benzema ahead of him his chances at the Bernabeu are limited.

Arsenal and Blackburn Rovers have also shown an interest in Van Nistelrooy but the striker is believed to favour a move to Anfield.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...l#ixzz0Zr1yMIUv
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Don't worry Liverpool will win. I don't know why the fans here keep condemning their team because of "a" lose to Arsenal. I think it's nothing to be ashamed of losing to Arsenal. Liverpool is still a very good team from my point of view.
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When u see the second half display.. u know. Arsenal aren't playing great but yet they still can win us at anfield... vmad.gif

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hey dawg , man utd gt no money too?
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wat will be the lineup tonite?

4321 again?
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QUOTE(LukeMjstc @ Dec 16 2009, 10:54 PM)
Yes, RVN vs Owen at Old Trafford... And RVN is gonna kiss the camera!  rclxms.gif
And Owen is gonna kiss the Trophy! rclxms.gif






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And Owen is gonna kiss the Trophy!  rclxms.gif
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trophyless season at real , newcastle relegation . who know what kind of bad luck MU will get with owen in your team tongue.gif
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Today is late! Still no lineup posted in Official web
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yeap..waiting for line up as well..rafa to suprise us all??
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Liverpool: Reina, Skrtel, Agger, Insua, Carragher,Mascherano, Aurelio, Gerrard, Benayoun, Kuyt, Ngog. Subs: Cavalieri, Aquilani, Torres, Kyrgiakos, Lucas, Darby, Dossena.
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wat line up is dis??? omg.. cme on reds!!!
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Formation like this?

Reina

Carra---Skrtel---Agger----Insua

Masch

Kuyt-------------------- Aurelio

Benny---Gerrard

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maybe sols..rafa indeed suprised me at least..i thought torres and aquilini will start..lets go for the win!!
maybe its a 4-4-2 wif benny n aurelio on the wings
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I don't think there will be a change of formation. Gerrard reverted back to pair with Mascherano and Benny in the middle of attacking play.
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seeing lucas not in 1st 11 is such a relief .. tongue.gif
formation might be 442 ..
kuyt n ngog infront..
aurelio and benni on wings ..
and good to see gerrard and masch in midfield finally..
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ANOTHER LOSS on the way...........

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Wat the heck? Aquilani and torres subs? Haizz...
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cme on guys.. lets have sum faith!!
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I can't find any English stream links. Sigh
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Rafa is taking Wigan lightly..............

hope Kirkland will punish us kawkaw laugh.gif laugh.gif
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Added on December 17, 2009, 4:11 amGOAL!

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GOAL!!!!!
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Diver scored. Lol


Added on December 17, 2009, 4:14 amAnd he lead to another injury. Wau.

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Ngog header ! Nice delivery from aurelio ! hopefully 3 points. hehe.
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need the 2nd goal!
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Woot, Insua just took on 3 men!
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Ngog is a very good striker i dare to say. see how he chase the ball and use his left foot shoot. just off target. if not 2-0 adi. smile.gif

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a very good first half actually ..our midfield looks dangerous with gerrard support the attack and mascherano helping in defense.

well, we still need few more goals to win this match
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I hope the rumours about RVN are false, Ngog has been doing great as a backup.

Really need a goal in the 2nd half though, if only for the confidence as we seem nervous in possession.
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Almost 80% possessions and so many chances created, we ought to do better by scoring few more goals.We are playing at Home for god's sake.
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gud 1st half..insua had an excellent half..monster masch is back in business..
kuyt was poor and gerrard looks like he misses torres..
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ngog can score goal but he also giveaway too many ball
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RVN should be valuable add to our team.Gerrard and Yossi are good in thru ball and RVN good in offside trap too.Ngog can learn from Torres and RVN as well.

Kuyt was poor in 1st half,expect him to be sub out in 2nd half
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Hopefully torres and aquilani will come in 2nd half. Saw torres warming up.. Maybe drop kuyt down..
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now whoever said that our bench doesnt have the quality? rclxms.gif Lucas, Ngog, Kyrgiakos Degen..not too bad i would say rclxms.gif

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Im referring to our team in general not on this match alone

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ian rush whispered "thats it for us", once he saw lucas being brought on for aurelio.

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Torres is out.
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I demand Aquilani!!!!!!!! DAMN!
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Lol kuyt seem not to be a threat for them. he can only works like a cow.


Added on December 17, 2009, 5:41 amMasherano babysis skrtel. Wtf. Skrtel not solid at all.

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Torres goaled.
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That's my Torres!!!
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Mr aquilani in..finally..
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Lol cute aquilani.
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2-1
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We conceded doh.gif
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skrtelllllllllllllllll..wat u dooing up thrrrrrrrrrrrr
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there goes my clean sheet points mad.gif
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torres goal just show how world class he is
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Aquilani just show he has a very good ball control!
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put birmingham, villa and arsenal better tongue.gif

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Yay.. 2-1 win. Torres.. He take over keeper as well. haha
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despite a win, I think i'm quite upset with the performance. more clearly, the substitution and the change of formation.
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off to bed and YNWA to all guys here..all so semangat stay up to watch this match..lol..nite guys. YNWA

nanananana torres torres
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Dec 17 2009, 06:01 AM)
haha, i had already dropped all liverpool defenders and reina from my team long time ago.
put birmingham, villa and arsenal better tongue.gif
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well, Rafa did sub aquilani after our team leading by 2 goals

Rafa did sub torres out when we are looking for 2nd goal

lucas in for tired & missing aurelio

our last 10 minutes , we play without left winger
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Lucas almost scored an own goal and he din prevent wigan's goal, Damn him.

Wat are our central defenders doing so high up in wigan place doh.gif they should hav defended in their own zone

rafa pls buy better defenders doh.gif

bramble is good, buy him fr wigan
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Insua owns the whole left flank ALONE! damn it.


Added on December 17, 2009, 6:07 am
QUOTE(digilife @ Dec 17 2009, 06:06 AM)
Lucas almost scored an own goal and he din prevent wigan's goal, Damn him.

Wat are our central defenders doing so high up in wigan place doh.gif  they should hav defended in their own zone

rafa pls buy better defenders doh.gif

bramble is good, buy him fr wigan
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QUOTE(bomberkenny @ Dec 17 2009, 06:02 AM)
despite a win, I think i'm quite upset with the performance. more clearly, the substitution and the change of formation.
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What were you expecting? Us suddenly become a top-class team after such a long spell of poor performance? Thought they did enough, should've put away some chances. Sure, it's only Wigan but how important it is for us to keep pushing on for the win in order to regain the lost confidence. Next, Pompey!
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Dec 17 2009, 06:06 AM)
Insua owns the whole left flank ALONE! damn it.


Added on December 17, 2009, 6:07 am
Speaking of that, anyone see that poor tackle of Skrtel in late game?Not to forget his poor clearance that went back way  sweat.gif  doh.gif
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Tell me sincerely, HOW GOOD are our defenders?????
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insua was awesome today..masch was gud as well..kuyt ran alot but sum of his touches were bad..aquilani has gud ball control..nice bicyle kick..torres i just love dat guy..no idea y rafa brought in lucas??
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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Dec 17 2009, 06:07 AM)
What were you expecting? Us suddenly become a top-class team after such a long spell of poor performance? Thought they did enough, should've put away some chances. Sure, it's only Wigan but how important it is for us to keep pushing on for the win in order to regain the lost confidence. Next, Pompey!
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QUOTE(digilife @ Dec 17 2009, 06:08 AM)
Tell me sincerely, HOW GOOD are our defenders?????
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Agger is good.Carra is decent...Skrtel is... laugh.gif INSUA PAWNS...EAT THAT tongue.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Dec 17 2009, 06:06 AM)
Insua owns the whole left flank ALONE! damn it.


Added on December 17, 2009, 6:07 am
Speaking of that, anyone see that poor tackle of Skrtel in late game?Not to forget his poor clearance that went back way  sweat.gif  doh.gif
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Ditto Insua, however except for his own 3rd where he still makes some defensive mistakes.

Thought he did ok overall. One thing about Skrtel-Agger is that they rarely hoof and allows the team to build up attacks. If Skrtel can be more dominant in the air, I reckon we would see a future in this partnership.

Speaking of Skrtel, anybody realized that he made some forward runs but generally ignored. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Dec 17 2009, 06:11 AM)
Ditto Insua, however except for his own 3rd where he still makes some defensive mistakes.

Thought he did ok overall. One thing about Skrtel-Agger is that they rarely hoof and allows the team to build up attacks. If Skrtel can be more dominant in the air, I reckon we would see a future in this partnership.

Speaking of Skrtel, anybody realized that he made some forward runs but generally ignored. laugh.gif
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Skrtel rubbish la. He expects mashe came in every moment. i miss johnson. He's more a threat at right compare to everyone include our cow kuyt. Insua is damn good. Its proven dat his skill make up to 1st 11 knock aurelio and dossena.
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defenders should defend rather than scoring.........albeit own goals doh.gif
leave the scoring to Torres

LUCAS suks again this time
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I watched this game this morning , i really appreciate the effort from David Ngog, i vote that he should get regular start , his first touch is clinical but he needs more shooting practice though.

Torres were lucky enough to scrap through the goal. Gerrard wasn't at his level best ,and if you look at him at the begining of second half , he was smiling as though they have nicked it.

But Wigan came strong with the call of duty on 2nd Half, resulted in a goal by Nzogbia, i'm pretty sure Rafa would be checking the video's again , how silly the goal was , i mean no one has challenged Nzogbia in the build up to the goal.

Aquilani , the long awaited to get a 1st 11 start , was a disappointment again. Pompey up next , we should see off Pompey, unless Grant revive the team..
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QUOTE(zamarano @ Dec 17 2009, 06:03 AM)
sayang la mau jual , bought for 6.5 sell only  6.2  doh.gif
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better than not gaining points from clean sheets, and johnson being forced to stay back more so less points there again...i wonder when will johnson get the chance to add on to his 2 goals so far.


Added on December 17, 2009, 7:54 amand ffs wtf did lucas come on?
from what looked like a nice diamond with aurelio and gerrard pairing to marshall in front of masch...the midfield crumbled once lucas came on and went to a 4-5-1.


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hello boys, pls stop turnning hor... after this win continue straight path. turn summore we will be back to sq1.

Nex stop, dis Sat @ Portsmouth.
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sorry i didn't watch the game..from the post i would like to say...Gerrard and Masch in the midfield, that was good, Ngog on the starting line up, that was good (refer back to my previous post),....

well, there must be some under perform, some glitch from player..then they have to improve from time to time..cause you are Liverpool...

btw, congratz...enjoy...and dont forget we have a long way to go..

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Conceded on 90th min again, doesn't do good for the defence side of confidence. If there is no Torres to score the second goal, then it is still winless again due to 90th min goal.
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Along with some other posters, I was hoping that we'd at some point drop Gerrard back in midfield to partner Masch and possible pair N'Gog up with Torres, or have Benayoun slot into the hole. Gerrard hasn't been at his best all season playing behind Torres and perhaps a change will have done him good.
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QUOTE(digilife @ Dec 17 2009, 06:06 AM)
Lucas almost scored an own goal and he din prevent wigan's goal, Damn him.

Wat are our central defenders doing so high up in wigan place doh.gif  they should hav defended in their own zone

rafa pls buy better defenders doh.gif

bramble is good, buy him fr wigan
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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Dec 17 2009, 06:07 AM)
What were you expecting? Us suddenly become a top-class team after such a long spell of poor performance? Thought they did enough, should've put away some chances. Sure, it's only Wigan but how important it is for us to keep pushing on for the win in order to regain the lost confidence. Next, Pompey!
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Dec 17 2009, 09:56 AM)
Along with some other posters, I was hoping that we'd at some point drop Gerrard back in midfield to partner Masch and possible pair N'Gog up with Torres, or have Benayoun slot into the hole. Gerrard hasn't been at his best all season playing behind Torres and perhaps a change will have done him good.
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not a convincing win.. too nervous at the end there. but a win is a win.. fakkit.

i agree moving back gerrard and paired him with masch.. he done terribly in the hole this season.
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Forget Alonso, Rafa and the rest... why I know the answer to the real problems at Liverpool.

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/co...icle257497.html

Don't take it seriously though.It's just something to cheer us up in the morning biggrin.gif
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alas... liv win
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drop stevie deeper means Aquaman will be an expensive bench warmer..
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No, it means Aquilani becomes the linkman instaed of Gerrard & also means Lucas gonna warm the bench whistling.gif
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Rob Beasley: Babel did interview with The S*n

http://www.koptalk.co.uk/200912131775/Live...th-the-sun.html


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Good win, bad game!
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gerrard does look to be losing some of his touches for the past couple of months, slack passings, overambitious crosses and shots.

while i understand that he may not be fully fit, i actually thought a 70%-fit gerrard will be able to terrorize defence more than what he's doing now. i guess i'm wrong. at the moment he's losing and conceding possession easily, and isn't snapping on opposition players' heels as frequently as he did.

torres has been holding up well on his own in front but i don't think he can save us every time with goals out of nowhere. we're having shortage of support from midfield and gerrard is one of the main culprit for that this season. he's been heavily relied upon that when he lost his form nobody else managed to do what he usually does.
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hey guys....i dunno if this is just me....i saw kuyt ran all the way to the goaline to defend...during that wigan strike when that dude hit the crossbar in the 1st half...man thats dedication or wat? or its just rafa's tactics? and why r our defenders so erm..... static? rooted to the ground only...and need a midfielder to run back to defend the goaline....he wasnt even there when the setpiece was taken...

and btw did u guys see torres's goal? man he made it look like a stroll in the park...rclxms.gif
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3 more points to safety.

No I'm not being sarcastic. I want my team to win all the games, but watching the way Liverpool plays these days really deflates me!

When a manager insists on playing his blue-eyed boys even though they are just not good enough, then he himself is truly not good enough!

Drop Kuyt and Lucas, and put Gerrard on the bench for a spell and things will correct themselves for the Reds. Gerrard's attitude has always been a problem - complacent when the team is leading and immediately sours when the team concedes!

Ngog needs more games to improve his skills while Aquilani needs more games to prove his reputation. Insua needs to improve on his defensive skills (what?!).

The rest of the players are actually world-class - including Skrtle! (I remember very clearly how people praised his performances prior to his injury. Please be reminded also that he is a key player for Slovakia in the world cup!)

Top clubs in both the PL and Europe will stumble over each other to acquire players like Torres, Benayoun, Masch, Agger, Reina, Johnson (yes - a full-back with skill, pace and enthusiasm - why not?), Gerrard & Aurelio.

I really think that even Riera and Babel are very good players, who would flourish if they play for a different manager!

So, except for Alonso & Arbeloa, we are looking at the same team that struck fear in the PL last season and which could have left Chelsea trailing by 10 points now ... instead of the other around .. sighhhhhh!
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No, it means Aquilani becomes the linkman instaed of Gerrard & also means Lucas gonna warm the bench  whistling.gif
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QUOTE(livingmonolith @ Dec 17 2009, 11:53 AM)
gerrard does look to be losing some of his touches for the past couple of months, slack passings, overambitious crosses and shots.

while i understand that he may not be fully fit, i actually thought a 70%-fit gerrard will be able to terrorize defence more than what he's doing now. i guess i'm wrong. at the moment he's losing and conceding possession easily, and isn't snapping on opposition players' heels as frequently as he did.

torres has been holding up well on his own in front but i don't think he can save us every time with goals out of nowhere. we're having shortage of support from midfield and gerrard is one of the main culprit for that this season. he's been heavily relied upon that when he lost his form nobody else managed to do what he usually does.
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Liverpool's £62m stake looks underdone

What a remarkable conjuring act that would be if George Gillett and Tom Hicks do somehow manage to secure £124m in return for a stake in Liverpool. The Daily Telegraph yesterday indicated that there are two or three parties interested in picking up one of two unspecified stakes in the club, each available for a mere £62m.

Apparently, despite all evidence to the contrary, the co-owners believe Liverpool to be worth of £500m to £600m. So for that £62m you can buy yourself a little over 10% of a club that still has to spend more than £300m on building a new stadium.

Now £62m, neatly, bought Randy Lerner 100% of Aston Villa and, unlike Liverpool, it was not making a cash loss of £11m a year. Nor, unlike Liverpool, had Villa's auditors said there was a "material uncertainty" casting "significant doubt on [the club's] ability to continue as a going concern". That material uncertainty, deferred when Liverpool refinanced a £290m loan in July, could return when its repayment is required. A spokesman for the co-owners did not come back with answers yesterday about when that will be. Previously, the club's lenders have not extended their loans for more than a year. The current loan's maturity could well be only seven months away.

Nor did the spokesman say whether the £60m that is supposed to be repaid since that July refinancing has been handed over on schedule. Nor was there any response to a question about whether interest payments will rise next year. But with so much clarity about what £62m will buy, who could resist?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/de...llett-tom-hicks
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I guess Wigan was "too physical" to start Aquilani lah? rolleyes.gif I gave the game a miss so i don't have another bad day at work. Good to know that we win although it was tougher than it should have been. I'll take the 3 points anyway they some.

The only thing i'm upset is the fact that i missed the celebration for Shanks during half time. sad.gif Love that great man to bits.
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Well done liverpool.. Ngog finally score.. haha
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Conceded on 90th min again, doesn't do good for the defence side of confidence. If there is no Torres to score the second goal, then it is still winless again due to 90th min goal.
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biggrin.gif where can think like this ...

then wigan also thinking, without conceded the 2 goals, they already won 0-1 ...
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QUOTE(hk_loo @ Dec 17 2009, 01:29 PM)
biggrin.gif  where can think like this ...

then wigan also thinking, without conceded the 2 goals, they already won 0-1 ...
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It has to do with confidence issue to keep a clean sheet. Goals are leaking almost every match, that's the concern.
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QUOTE(hk_loo @ Dec 17 2009, 01:29 PM)
biggrin.gif  where can think like this ...

then wigan also thinking, without conceded the 2 goals, they already won 0-1 ...
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yes gerrard is not at his best..but he did put in sum superb crosses in the box one which a ngog or benny i think completely missed it..
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I'm not saying about a win or not, its about goals we conceded.
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You are right actually ... Liverpool looks very beatable right now and everybody is having a go at doing just that. Nobody's afraid any more.

Just watch Portsmouth this Saturday. If our guys don't continue to fight for and chase after every ball, and the finishing remains pathetic, then the yo-yo effect will return : beat Everton, drew with Blackburn, lost to Arsenal, beat Wigan, lose to Portsmouth ...!

Of course we all hope not ... but that's the trouble now .. we can all only hope ..

For me there are 2 important milestones for our Reds now :
1) 6 more points to safety i.e. 33 points
2) after that, 20 more points to qualify for Europa League

anything more is just ... HOPE.

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I'm not saying about a win or not, its about goals we conceded.
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and also the way we concede goals

it was 'last minute goals' which cost us CL qualifications

home vs lyon, lost because 90 minutes goal by César Delgado
away vs lyon, draw because 90 minutes goal by Lisandro López
home vs fiorentina, lost because 90 minutes goal by Alberto Gilardino

and now, another 90 minutes goal from wigan.. if that time we were leading by 1-0 only, it gonna be another disaster
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players tend to be less focus at the end of the game. Mostly, if u are leading, u will feel more relaxed. So, the door is openned for the goal
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to prevent we lost when conceding last minute goal, we need 2 goal score margin...(2 goal score margin? betul ke ayat ni)
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QUOTE(normeck @ Dec 17 2009, 04:38 PM)
to prevent we lost when conceding last minute goal, we need 2 goal score margin...(2 goal score margin? betul ke ayat ni)
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You are right actually ... Liverpool looks very beatable right now and everybody is having a go at doing just that.  Nobody's afraid any more. 

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Yup, look at Wolves even field up second string team just let MU to have a walk over.
If Wolves put up back their strongest team, it is kinda embarrassing for Liverpool to label as big 4. (I don't mean to start fire debate on MU vs Liverpool) smile.gif

When opponent fear you, just like decade ago when team goes to Anfield time, you already win 0.5 goal from the start.

Every match, even against the bottom team, you don't know Liverpool can beat them or not. Unlike big 3 teams, you 90% expect them to beat them easily.
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Hmm..at least now we secure 3 points. We'll see next few matches against portsmouth, wolves what kind of results we can get. Aston villa will be a really tough one.

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Don't worry Liverpool will win. I don't know why the fans here keep condemning their team because of "a" lose to Arsenal. I think it's nothing to be ashamed of losing to Arsenal. Liverpool is still a very good team from my point of view.
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like most noticed, at the moment everyone who plays against us are confident of beating our defenders with ease, and when we kept conceding goals like those we did this morning, it's doing no good to our players' confidence.

even a two-lead looked fragile, and you can see how the players react nervously every time the opposition brings the ball into our half.

although i'd take the 3 points gladly, i honestly hope we'll get through several games without conceding a goal to regain the right mentality.

btw, anyone wanna bet that aquilani is a sure start this saturday?
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QUOTE(uNeVErwaLkaloNe @ Dec 17 2009, 03:59 PM)
and also the way we concede goals

it was 'last minute goals' which cost us CL qualifications

home vs lyon, lost because 90 minutes goal by César Delgado
away vs lyon, draw because 90 minutes goal by Lisandro López
home vs fiorentina, lost because 90 minutes goal by Alberto Gilardino

and now, another 90 minutes goal from wigan.. if that time we were leading by 1-0 only, it gonna be another disaster
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btw, why dun he try Gerrard + Macsh to rule midfield and let Lucas play behind Torres ( tat was wat he used to play in Gremio and EXCEL in tat position too)
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Rafa just play FOOL wit us..won d game then next game will lost..there is no consistency..We r not strong enough blush.gif
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QUOTE(never_walk_alone @ Dec 17 2009, 08:51 PM)
Rafa just play FOOL wit us..won d game then next game will lost..there is no consistency..We r not strong enough  blush.gif
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hmmm im not sure bout u guys....but are we that bad? we r sharing the same points with birmingham city...a relegation threatened team (no offence...was).....same win lose draw standing summore....its either us playing at an abysmal level or birmingham's upped their game

look on the bright side...we r just 2 losses behind man utd....and they r talking about championship and cups n etc...hello...its only 2 losses....not too big a crisis eh? tongue.gif
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I don't think rafa plays lucas because he likes lucas, but in order to play his favourite 4-4-1-1 to play gerrard behind torres. I suppose if aquilani is "fit" to play, he'll use aquilani instead of lucas, in the same formation.
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rafa will try Lucas as an attacking midfielder soon cause he can use Aqua to partner Macsh

and Gerrard will play along side Lucas, Kyut and Reira will both play the flanks

this way Liv will rule the courts again and clinch top 4 spot ant Europa cup come May 2010

believe me, 2010 will see Liv winning all its matches, why???????? cause its bookies choice, juz u see if u dun believe laugh.gif


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but dun fret cause, by Jan 2010, we can beat any team.....juz wait and see rclxms.gif



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What time is the Europa League draw starting?

Btw, Steven Gerrard’s old Audi A3 for sale...

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/EDITORIAL/CARS...ader+Full+Feed)

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I don't think rafa plays lucas because he likes lucas, but in order to play his favourite 4-4-1-1 to play gerrard behind torres. I suppose if aquilani is "fit" to play, he'll use aquilani instead of lucas, in the same formation.
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whats wrong if rafa likes lucas.. he show good performances..

then rafa dislike babel.. =(
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QUOTE(digilife @ Dec 18 2009, 09:43 AM)
rafa will try Lucas as an attacking midfielder soon cause he can use Aqua to partner Macsh

and Gerrard will play along side Lucas, Kyut and Reira will both play the flanks

this way Liv will rule the courts again and clinch top 4 spot ant Europa cup come May 2010

believe me, 2010 will see Liv winning all its matches, why???????? cause its bookies choice, juz u see if u dun believe laugh.gif


Added on December 18, 2009, 8:50 amBlow for Rafa Benitez as Liverpool unseeded for Europa League draw

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but dun fret cause, by Jan 2010, we can beat any team.....juz wait and see rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(IcyDarling @ Dec 18 2009, 12:54 PM)
still on the bookie thingy,huh. Okay, i will quote this up at the end of season.
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NBTD? Get a life, dude.

They can post whatever they want to comfort themselves. Is there anything to do with you?Quoting them doesn't show how heroic and manly you are.It doesn't show you are any better because it merely reflects how immature, how annoying, how pathetic one can be just to taunt for the sake of taunting.

I'm actually ok with taunting as long as it doesn't cross over the line.

Taunting in thread(with no intention to troll) is ok but to quote someone's post in siggy or quote an old , covering with dust post,save it until end of season, for the purpose taunting and to annoy others is nothing but childish.


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still on the bookie thingy,huh. Okay, i will quote this up at the end of season.
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let him do what he want post here.We cannot stop him from saying that , just take it or leave it.If you quote him ,this will only lead to future flaming war.
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Reds promise £15m to redevelop Anfield

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/footbal...ld-1844086.html
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still on the bookie thingy,huh. Okay, i will quote this up at the end of season.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Dec 18 2009, 01:50 PM)
NBTD? Get a life, dude.

They can post whatever they want to comfort themselves. Is there anything to do with you?Quoting them doesn't show how heroic and manly you are.It doesn't show you are any better because it merely reflects how immature, how annoying, how pathetic one can be just to taunt for the sake of taunting.

I'm actually ok with taunting as long as it doesn't cross over the line.

Taunting in thread(with no intention to troll) is ok but to quote someone's post in siggy or quote an old , covering with dust post,save it until end of season, for the purpose taunting and to annoy others is nothing but childish.

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i thought u are fans of casanova88 and golden?
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hold on.
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still on the bookie thingy,huh. Okay, i will quote this up at the end of season.
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Jamie Carragher: Why I said no to my country for second time

Jamie Carragher has told The Times that he turned down an invitation from Fabio Capello to reconsider his decision to retire from international football.

In an exclusive interview to mark the defender’s imminent 600th appearance for Liverpool, Carragher also spoke of his desire to win a new Anfield contract.

He admitted, though, that he may have to leave his only club and believes that Liverpool must invest during the January transfer window or risk being replaced in the “big four” by big-spending Manchester City.

Carragher, who has 34 England caps, retired from international duty in the summer of 2007, but Capello, the England manager, made an approach to bring him back into the fold and even went as far as asking Franco Baldini, his assistant, to hold a meeting with the centre back. Carragher politely declined.

Carragher insists that he has no regrets over his decision, which he believes will help to extend his club career, even though he expects England to be one of the main contenders to lift the World Cup in South Africa.

“I was supposed to meet Franco Baldini for a chat a year ago and at the last minute I pulled out,” Carragher said. “It was more out of courtesy that I was going to do it. Stevie [Gerrard, the Liverpool captain] had mentioned it to me a couple of times, so I agreed to the meeting, but at the last minute I just didn’t want to do it.

“I don’t think my situation would change if I got back in the squad. John Terry and Rio Ferdinand are first choice and they are two of the best central defenders in the world.

“Maybe I would have won ten more caps over the last couple of years because Rio and John have missed a few games, but you couldn’t ask for a better centre-half pairing than those two going into the World Cup.”

Carragher, 31, expects England to be one of the main contenders next summer. “I think England have got a great chance,” he said. “I suppose if they went on and won it, people would say, ‘What a mistake that was.’ But who’s to say Capello would pick me in the squad? You can’t look back, you can only do what’s right for you at the time and for the future. If they do well, they do well.”

Carragher has 18 months remaining on his Liverpool contract and is yet to be offered a new deal, but he denied reports that he is pushing for talks. Of greater concern is the need for Liverpool to re-establish themselves in the Barclays Premier League’s top four.

“I read that and it made out I was begging the club for a contract and that’s certainly not the case,” he said.

“The club haven’t mentioned anything to me but they’re under no obligation to and I certainly don’t want anyone making a big deal out of it and trying to drive a wedge between me and the club over a contract.

“I’ve been there since I was 9 and there’s no problem whatsoever. The club have got a lot to sort out on and off the pitch, least of all me. I’ve still got 18 months, which is a long time in football, so God knows what will happen in that time.

“The one worry I’ve got is that before when we never finished fourth it wasn’t such a massive deal because the clubs who finished above us — Leeds, Newcastle and one year Everton — without being disrespectful to them, we always felt that we would come back the following season and finish above them.

“But this season with Man City, with the money they’ve got, if they finish in the top four above us that would have to be a big worry ... if they get in the top four, and eventually it will happen with their financial backing, they will take some shifting.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/foo...icle6961116.ece
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one of our most loyal player..hail carra!!! yes he mite had a bad period of time but who wont go thru dat?? a very discipline person as well i meant outside the football pitch..
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Europa Draw.
http://www.iraqgoals.net/ch2.html

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LIVERPOOL vs UU. lol.
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we will play against AFC unirea
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DRAW IN FULL - LAST 16

Hamburg or PSV v Athletic Bilbao or Anderlecht

Rubin Kazan or Hapoel Tel Aviv v Villarreal or VfL Wolfsburg

Atletico Madrid or Galatasaray v EVERTON or Sporting

Hertha Berlin or Benfica v FC Copenhagen or Marseille

Panathinaikos or Roma v Standard Leige or SV Red Bull Salzburg

Lille or Fenerbahce v LIVERPOOL or Unirea Urziceni

Ajax or Juventus v FULHAM or Shakhtar Donetsk

Club Brugge or Valencia v FC Twente or Werder Bremen

(First leg: Mar 11; second leg: Mar 18)

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...l#ixzz0a3eC3m2V

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Who da hell are Unirea Urziceni? Sounds like Urine, and a potential massive banana skin!
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Champions League 2009-10, Group G
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Champions League 2009-10, Group G
1 Sevilla (Spain)     
2 Stuttgart (Germany)   
3 Unirea Urziceni  (Romania)
4 Rangers (Scotland)
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Should be alright...I thought Romania is famous for gymnastic.

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they can do gymnastic in the field..so they got more skill...
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Don't underestimate Unirea, they did beat Sevilla, just miss the second spot by whisker.

Europa league is irrelevant, top 4 spot is the priority. No top 4 spot, then it could mean disastrous in term of monetory wise as well as transfer market attraction, (as generally top players don't want to go to a team that no CL football, but Liverpool has no money, so it could mean make no different now doh.gif )

Carra is spot on, no top 4, it could have lot of implication.

Draw against good team, said hard to qualify
Draw against unknown team, said could be a banana skin.

It just sums up how weak the mentality and confidence of the team. sweat.gif
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Liverpool: Reina, Johnson, Insua, Agger, Carragher, Mascherano, Lucas, Kuyt, Dossena, Gerrard, Torres. Subs: Cavalieri, Aurelio, Benayoun, Babel, Ngog, Spearing, Skrtel.

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Liverpool: Reina, Johnson, Insua, Agger, Carragher, Mascherano, Lucas, Kuyt, Dossena, Gerrard, Torres. Subs: Cavalieri, Aurelio, Benayoun, Babel, Ngog, Spearing, Skrtel.

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Dossena... shocking.gif

WHERE THE HECK IS AQUILANI? DAMN U RAFA!

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no aquaman again..haizz...benitez suprising me alot man


Added on December 19, 2009, 8:00 pmto be fair dossena had a pretty decent game the other day..

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NOT EVEN ON BENCH FFS! DAMN U RAFA!!!
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torres + gerrard + johnson = sure win thumbup.gif

no aqua + voronin even on subs = sure win too thumbup.gif
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wtf !?! Dossena? Put benny in and kick out the botak head lar rafa !.. haiz..
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Come one Rafa, you spent 20 million for Aqua. Play him 90 minutes will you vmad.gif . We want to see his true ability

Time for Lucas to be where he deserve to be - Bench

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mana tau dossena blh score ke... rafa just said aqua got prob again..
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WTH.I was expecting Carra to wear the captain armband tonight!Damn!
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any link to stream to this match guys?
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Dossena!!!
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QUOTE(monara @ Dec 19 2009, 08:52 PM)
any link to stream to this match guys?
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juztintv but they blocked cause i am not pro ac holder
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Dec 19 2009, 08:52 PM)
Dossena!!!
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What I see now is he keep losing possession. sweat.gif doh.gif
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Dossena is fat now. And he keep losing balls. Aurelio coming out soon.


Added on December 19, 2009, 9:21 pmOmg. we're trailing.

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We conceded doh.gif
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oh no, 1-0, what happened?
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dammit! nice goal tho..
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Glenny's sissy header doh.gif



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we missed chances, they took chances... well that's what you get
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Don't you guys think it's time for a change of formation and tactics? Mashc sent off.
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1 goal down, 1 man down. this is fantastic....
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WTH WTH I cant believe this!
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omg...Mashc sent off again...how to win this game
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stupid red card to be honest..
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Commentator said that was the 1st offence and WTH, is that bad tackle?
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Mashc last week yellow card and this week red card? Damn!
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unbelievable.. now were the most red carded team in BPL..
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at 1st it looked bad to be honest..den replay shows its oni a yellow lar...v r in deep shit now..
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Can u see dat? Masherano sent off. But boost up the morale and hatred of us. Torres and gerrard would revenge on it.
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Red card? My f***ing foot.

Dossena? My f***ing foot.
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but a knee attack towards the private part is kinda hard rite?? sweat.gif

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Take out Dossena FFS! We need Benny...and The commentators are saying the goal is offside? I dont know but I think it's valid
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i dunno whether thats a bad tackle, but i rather not be the one being tackled...
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And that guy who tackled Insua charged in with two legs in the air. Da f*** is that then?
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their goal is onside for me..doss can go off pls..even gerrard is not at his best
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QUOTE(syarz @ Dec 19 2009, 09:37 PM)
but a knee attack towards the private part is kinda hard rite?? sweat.gif
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Gerrard seems like tak de semangat only... lose possession most of the time...
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I wan see Aqualani...
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QUOTE(Clairvoyant @ Dec 19 2009, 09:38 PM)
their goal is onside for me..doss can go off pls..even gerrard is not at his best
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Not an offside goal imo. Agger headed it, so no.. (I think its Agger)

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No offence to sols, but i think Insua should be blame partially too for the goal since he was drag in to the player and did not mark the one on the far right. Anyways Johnson's poor header wasnt the only poor thing we saw tongue.gif
Have hope guys. Its nearly christmas icon_rolleyes.gif
And im not sure why you gusy are targetting Dossena. At least he crosses in balls, remember the one to Torres?
If you're talking about him losing possesion, then i dont see why he is the only one being targeted.
Gerrard too is not in his best this season.

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Mascherano's red card is stupid IMO. Sigh, even the commentator is writing our chance off from the top 4. But it was a good goal by Belhadj.
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QUOTE(manx @ Dec 19 2009, 09:38 PM)
Gerrard seems like tak de semangat only... lose possession most of the time...
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QUOTE(syarz @ Dec 19 2009, 09:37 PM)
but a knee attack towards the private part is kinda hard rite?? sweat.gif
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I saw him hitting his private part but I thought that's not intentional.I would be glad to see Masch to be sent off if he kick it straight on Ben Haim's private part.


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Wtf ? Gerrard missed a lot of ball.. Red card.. plus 1-0 down. I cant believe portsmouth can lead liverpool. haizz.. i can say. liverpool will lose this match definitely.. dossena f***ing.. dunno wat he play also. rafa.. you deserved it. got aurelio and benny don't put. go and let dossena play. good one rafa. suckss..
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QUOTE(LunaCry @ Dec 19 2009, 09:38 PM)
I wan see Aqualani...
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Next week. laugh.gif

QUOTE(visionary1993 @ Dec 19 2009, 09:39 PM)
No offence to sols, but i think Insua should be blame partially too for the goal since he was drag in to the player and did not mark the one on the far right. Anyways Johnson's poor header wasnt the only poor thing we saw tongue.gif
Have hope guys. Its nearly christmas  icon_rolleyes.gif
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More because of Insua's deflected clearance. laugh.gif
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they are not control the ball very well in this game, omg liverpool have a mountain to climb up
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dossena need to sub out, same with kuyt I think. With masch been red carded, now no reason that next match aquilani won't start.
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gerrard sucks, i'm not gonna defend for him. the only thing he's good in this match is losing possessions.

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this is what happen when others team have confidence when play with Liverpool...
Liverpool only ma...can score..they cannot score...
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QUOTE(de_sengal @ Dec 19 2009, 09:41 PM)
dossena need to sub out, same with kuyt I think. With masch been red carded, now no reason that next match aquilani won't start.
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That's the positive! rclxm9.gif
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i have no reason to back rafa anymore... i donno wat's in his mind... in crisis still deploy such a shit squad... gerrard no form as SS still play him as SS... aquilani fully recovered still put tat 20m man out of the 18 men squad... play the farking dossena but not benayoun or aurelio... n'gog quite nice form but still hide inside the bench... wat a stupid stubborn manager...
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QUOTE(de_sengal @ Dec 19 2009, 09:41 PM)
dossena need to sub out, same with kuyt I think. With masch been red carded, now no reason that next match aquilani won't start.
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everyone in the team needs to go by my reckoning. I dont see why Johnson shouldnt get the boot either. tongue.gif
Or even Gerrard.
Dossena being the target kambing in exchange for Lucas? Lucas didnt lose too many ball possession i can give you that, but he isnt making enough chances offensive-wise either.
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QUOTE(Playboy21 @ Dec 19 2009, 09:38 PM)
But its not a red card offense.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Dec 19 2009, 09:39 PM)
I saw him hitting his private part but I thought that's not intentional.I would be glad to see Masch to be sent off if he kick it straight on Ben Haim's private part.
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have to see the replay again..
bacause i heard the comentators were saying that his studs was up too(at ben haim's leg) and then the knee attack
i wonder what is it with gerrard and torres.. seemed lacked spirit..
hopefully benny will come in.. my fantasy point!!!
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to be honest, looking at the starting line up, its clear that we are not going for a win in this one. the best part is, we got punished now! sometimes i just want rafa to be sacked!!
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haha, u guys dun believe its bookies play rite??? laugh.gif
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is aquaman injured?
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QUOTE(bomberkenny @ Dec 19 2009, 09:41 PM)
gerrard sucks, i'm not gonna defend for him. the only thing he's good in this match is losing possessions.
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Agree with you. Gerrard sucks.... Liverpool can score 2 goals you guys think so?
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haha, u guys dun believe its bookies play rite??? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Dec 19 2009, 09:40 PM)
Next week. laugh.gif
More because of Insua's deflected clearance. laugh.gif
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Herd that thousands of times...
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Red card 3 games, Injury 3 weeks....I rather Masch take red card then...Let's pray his injury isn't that bad...
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QUOTE(LukeMjstc @ Dec 19 2009, 09:46 PM)
nope, this is purely rafa's strategy. He's either reluctant to face his crisis or he wants to earn that 20mil compensation and go ahead to real madrid.
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I dont think Real Madrid want him now...
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QUOTE(visionary1993 @ Dec 19 2009, 09:44 PM)
everyone in the team needs to go by my reckoning. I dont see why Johnson shouldnt get the boot either. tongue.gif
Or even Gerrard.
Dossena being the target kambing in exchange for Lucas? Lucas didnt lose too many ball possession i can give you that, but he isnt making enough chances offensive-wise either.
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after masch been red carded, don't think it wise to sub out lucas plus no other player on bench can sub him. Spearing? don't think so.
I hope now gerrard will move back to the center and distribute the ball benayoun in.
About johnson, yeah I also agree that he's really poor in the first half. doh.gif
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QUOTE(LunaCry @ Dec 19 2009, 09:47 PM)
Herd that thousands of times...
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But next week really gonna start him! Masch suspended and unless Rafa plays spearing/aurelio, there is no reason why Aquilani wont feature!
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I dont think Real Madrid want him now...
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or maybe he wanna take 20m and retire ady... tongue.gif
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What's the chances of us playing 3-1-4-1 now?
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The only reason I can think about rafa feature dossena in the first eleven and babel on the sub is becoz he's hoping to show they still in good condition/form to the potential buyer of this two player for the january transfer.
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I still think Torres needs a partner to either feed him the ball or slam it when Torres does his creative flicks. Apparently, Gerrard is not up to be the second striker. I don't understand why Lucas who originally plays a role in attacking has been shifted to defensive. Gerrard-Torres partnership has proofed to work only in the previous season. Others learn how to counter, therefore a new tactic or man to support Torres is needed desperately. Gerrard should be shifted back to his central position and Aquilani plays behind Torres when he's back.

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We could get another red card.swt
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i'm not watching the game anymore and let my wife control the tv now. from gamecast, it shows that we only manage single shot in the second half while portsmouth got 4!
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the longer rafa in charge... the worse he gonna make liverpool be...
good great players come to liverpool become average..
average player come to liverpool become trash...

if we lose to 20th team in PL, thats it...
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just sack rafa. who cares if we have to pay 20m to him. we bought aquaman for 20m and pay his salary and didnt play him. thats 20m loss already.
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Great save by their keeper sad.gif
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ord into the 75th minute,dare we hope for Liv to score 2 goals n win the game?
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2-0..Losing for sure!
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woohooo.... Rafa is Legend


Added on December 19, 2009, 10:28 pmanybody still wants to defend Rafa???

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damn. 2-0. confirm top 4 rafa?
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to the last team in the epl?? u gotta be joking wif me..
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i dont care if dont have fund for next year transfer, please sack rafa, he is stubborn shit!!
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That ALL!The End!!Bye Rafa!!!
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only one shot on goal for the entire game!!...and thats by dossena
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The game is finished the very moment Masch was sent off. The morale is already down and one man down make it worse.
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So, are you here to make us sad?
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Rafa should go,i'll take Martin O'neill,Harry Redknapp or Roy Hodgson anytime!
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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Dec 19 2009, 10:31 PM)
y u all not feeling angry or sad?
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because we want rafa to be sack... if he loses games, the faster he will be sack... rclxm9.gif
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no la. I dont want to troll but at the half time i see many poster joke about Rafa and the players.
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Dec 19 2009, 10:32 PM)
The game is finished the very moment Masch was sent off. The morale is already down and one man down make it worse.
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the morale was long gone... i think after the first match against Tot.
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Its a disgrace to LFC when players wear the shirt and play like shat!
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QUOTE(manx @ Dec 19 2009, 10:33 PM)
the morale was long gone... i think after the first match against Tot.
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it is unbelievable , we lose 3 points again.....
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Isn't that what Rafa is? A joker in tactics. Stubborn and will never change his formation despite others have fully read his best damn tactic.
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Bring a new manager and clear the deadwoods in the squad,start anew with new players,doesnt need to be big names but ones that feels the passion of the club whenever they put on the Liv jersey.
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post Dec 19 2009, 10:37 PM

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the saddest thing of all is carra making his 600th appearance and lfc losses to the bottom team in EPL

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