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post Jan 27 2010, 08:18 AM

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QUOTE(epalbee3 @ Jan 27 2010, 08:16 AM)
May be have to adopt windows shopping now.

C is now at 3.15, its movement will depends on:
1) Fed rate
2) Ben contract renew

Even the above two news are positive, the investor might just sell the news.

DOW may see 9k soon.. i guess.. wink.gif
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who will buy index or stock when dog jones at 10k, 9500, 9k? any views for gamblers to consider drool.gif
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post Jan 27 2010, 10:44 AM

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luv the sight & smell of red thumbup.gif by thursday/ friday if got/ no rebound, can plan next move
ur weapons lock & loaded for tis situation? hav patience, stick to ur own plan, wateva it is drool.gif

been here for >3 months liao, is there any interest for 3 volunteers to joint r&d for tis thread? rolleyes.gif
the active forumers are zamans98 & epalbee3, no doubt doomcake is the eldest here, but he is thread's pakcik laugh.gif

had requested tis b4, & final offer below for joint r&d, if lacklustre reply, then nvm its ok whistling.gif
basically dream idea is have a delayed 100 stock watchlist in usa thread, we act on the real time info instead cool2.gif then no need ask for tips or run here & there like headless chicken hmm.gif which is wat is being seen at times in thread

1) create watchlist of 70 stock price $10-$20 & update it every quarter after earnings
2) create watchlist of 30 stock price above $20 & update it every quarter after earnings
3) will supply a list, for 3 volunteers to review & insert/ delete stocks in watchlist at their own free time
4) the criteria is on earnings, fund ownership & valuation
5) entry or exit of stock price recommendation is base on chart, due to support, resistance & volume
6) timeframe is 3 months, if got progress & feedback, next criteria is on group sector & to compare its competitors
7) if no progress, gulung tikar lo... brows.gif all list info, is derived from free websites

notis some of u are in early stages of r&d in usa, if this dream idea can assist u, pls let me know
as a few of u seems interested to get something out from usa market & willing put in effort & time wink.gif
otherwise, its back to my swashbuckling ways bruce.gif
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post Jan 28 2010, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Jan 28 2010, 09:15 AM)
BRB-B dropped below 70, that was key.  tongue.gif  I missed the buy yesterday but this morning was good enough.
Don't congrats yet, I could be holding this bag for long time.

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aren't u a day trader & dun believe in holding long term brows.gif
in meantime, maybe I buy premarket, but stil in cautious mode hmm.gif

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post Jan 29 2010, 06:17 AM

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Gambling & buying or holding a stock position, just before earnings got 3 possibility
it either gap up if earnings good, gap down if vice versa or it can even tidur irregardless of earnings report, I rather stay out shakehead.gif
the charts are all loooking good drool.gif either abt to rebound & kill me or gonna rollover & play dead...eerrr I mean go longkang riding wink.gif
no idea, but pivot points r syiok gambling points thumbup.gif to stay out of it means is to miss the fun mega_shok.gif

lari moneyflies.gif bont (b:10.41 cut loss: 8.53), tyd (b:48.74 cut loss:48.18)
on the unbright side lust.gif short qqqq 43.55 & buy puts qqqq strike $43 for 2.35 & buy tyo 60.69
who knows? I could be wrong cool2.gif if its going holland, then cut loss ...is buy the dip teori still in play sweat.gif

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post Jan 29 2010, 11:16 PM

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bear team round 1 wil have to cover, unless they got balls of steel & deep pockets rolleyes.gif
those crazy gamblers who short & wanna participate with bear team round 2 will hang on for suicide mission wink.gif
hope all this growth will not lead to signs tat the economy needs a little slowing down to tame inflation brows.gif
bulls, pls come in to short squeeze us, we need ur full buying support in cold hard cash nod.gif & teach bear team round 1 a lesson laugh.gif
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post Jan 30 2010, 12:23 AM

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I salute the brave bull buyers cool2.gif
kindly mortgage ur house, car & assist obama PPT, by working together, u all can bring hope & change & bring forth sunlight to the pasar nod.gif
who knows? at end, short squeeze may happen, do set up bull altar & pray hard doh.gif
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post Jan 30 2010, 12:45 AM

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bulls, pls hold position, dun sell, dun cut loss, there is still 4 hours more to go
someone says nex week is all bulls for a fortnight, pray hard, think positive
maybe bulls need to get their act together, coordinate & work as a team nod.gif
as long as got dividend & valuation is fair, semuanya ok thumbup.gif

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post Jan 30 2010, 01:15 AM

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QUOTE(mIssfROGY @ Jan 30 2010, 01:08 AM)
red again...WOOohoOOooo....anyone watch tiger woohoo? NICE!
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who is tiger? & did u not jus buy the other day, y so happy? 95% forumers praying hard & base on their chats, seem extremely upset rclxub.gif
no worries, if i m wrong, we can alwiz continue tis fight, just like the old days... deja vu isn't it laugh.gif
& if the bulls r right, money is in the 95% forumers bank ac, win win situation wink.gif
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post Jan 30 2010, 02:14 AM

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blush.gif look, its back up again - have a fun time at the beach & wear a rubber duckie when swimming, must play safe nod.gif
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post Jan 30 2010, 07:00 AM

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base on observation gathered from here, since everything status quo ie. interest rate low, teori buy the dip should stil be in play
anyone heard abt teori, 'bear jump out of window' brows.gif hope to show u all in real time nex week (buffet says, be greedy when all fear) nod.gif
wat other news is out there, tat send bear team 1 family & relatives to pay us a visit? FA sifus, can advise next step & icon_question.gif
anyway, time is soon for closing short positions, fear will drive the options pricing bonkers...

TA teori says, by the time the news come out in a few weeks or months time, its alredi too late liao, izit true? watch & see it live
no offense but nothing beats 'ignorance is bliss' like a nice dose of reality icon_rolleyes.gif
aiyo, those FA did not set up bull altar nor pray hard enuf... they all went to sleep &on a friday nite vmad.gif
my louyah analyst report wub.gif

U.S. Stocks Reverse Lower

4:15 p.m. Update: Stocks fell for a second straight session Friday after an early rally petered out.

The Nasdaq tumbled 1.5%, up from a 1.8% deficit. The NYSE composite shed 1.1%, S&P 500 1% and Dow 0.5%.

Tech-related groups tumbled. Software, data storage, computer makers and chip groups all got hit. Homebuilders and nursing-home operators bucked the trend.

Volume climbed across the board.

p/s: of coz 95% forumers really wish the short squeeze would kill me off cool2.gif but I do not have power over the market, jus act base on simple TA
those who had follow & lighten position or alredi in cash, ensure ur list up to date, with ur own experience, u wil know when to buy again rclxm9.gif
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post Jan 31 2010, 03:44 AM

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QUOTE(mindstorm @ Jan 30 2010, 05:31 PM)
how do you decide wheather to be "greedy when all fear" or "don't catch a falling knife"?

when there is a strong downtrend, often the downtrend are fed by mini bulls themselves...to be more precised, bulls that are weak holders, thereby turning bears themselves. As prices fall, there will always be contrarians who think, "ah, time to buy... cheap, buy when dip". However after buying, they see that prices continue to head south... after a while, they think, "oh shit, made a wrong decision.." and then they start selling, taking loses because of fear that they will lose more if they continue to hold. Hence they become the bears. Then the next group of bulls will come in thinking, "ah...time to buy now...really low". But then the bears coming in from earlier group will feed the selling pressure caused by overall bad news, and price continue to head south. After a while the same thing happen to the second group(of course it is not so clear-cut) and they also start selling... thereby causing the prices to spiral down.

And when stocks market fall, there is a general mood to spend less causing companies to earn less... and so forth... reflexivity theory kicks in.

We also should not forget there are many big players who have interest in falling prices...

besides this year is world cup year. huh? well, do a google to see the year returns for world cup years. More often than not, it isn't good.

so how sure are you the bottom has been reached for this "mini" reversal?
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ur analogy sounds ok, however most big funds & forever fans retailers r not nimble nor quick enough to cut loss
big funds cannot create an exit stampede, they need to sell into strength while shouting bull, tat y we see a ding dong & not straight collapse
how many retailers u know wil cut loss? very few do it, most get attach to stocks via dividend, valuation & etc
so once the selling accelerate, at some point of time in future, there wil be no one to sell to, tat y there is a teknik call 'swing trade' nod.gif
dunno abt the others, but for me, tis is more of a dark art than a simple black & white teori icon_rolleyes.gif

hmm... world cup years, I learnt not to believe those hype anymore eg. october bear myth, were u in or out of stocks?
My job is not to reassure anyone of anything, kindly do ur own dd & I have no idea has the bottom been reached for this "mini" reversal
volume is high on down & index seem is gonna hit their 200 dma soon, wil it bounce? I dunno, choose ur side & place ur bet cool2.gif
if sector rotation affect real estate & commodity only, y are all sectors taking a tumble whistling.gif

how do you decide wheather to be "greedy when all fear" or "don't catch a falling knife"?
there is no clear cut answer to ur question, it is more of a dark art & u get better at it + ur odds increase in proportion to how much sifu market teach u a lesson wink.gif 'Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results - Albert Einstein'

as a guideline "greedy when all fear", anything bullish from klse lyn thread, edge, star biz, analyst report are good signs something not right
initially, stocks wil go up, but there is no news, if u were able analyse & detect it via FA, tat is good for early entry point
now, for 'them' to write positive review, stock could be on uptrend, but since u hav enter earlier via FA, jus ride it
those lazy do r&d on own will just follow recommendation, the trick is to sell it after a certain % up & accept fact, tat u can never sell at the highest

as a guideline "don't catch a falling knife", the indexes are hitting low after low & volume is high, oso support line is being breach
sometimes news is not there or it is conflicting news available for reading, at times volume dun lie, take tat as a clue
& it is alwiz too late to short when the fall occurs, might as well wait for a rebound, but tis no garanti either
since most TA knows the support & resistance price level, try to set below or above price level, as depending on u buying or shorting

"and when stocks market fall, there is a general mood to spend less causing companies to earn less... and so forth... reflexivity theory kicks in"
imo, the next one wil be 8-10 yrs later, ensure u have enuf standby reserves & go SAILANG it! when the next cycle cum
those old timers wil see opportunity & patiently await selling subside, the new virgins wil see blood & fear
look, the investment advisor r starting to be bearish, the followers will follow, jus like how they were slaughter as bull, hav patience

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I wanna join in to comment on the debate between the former & latter thoughts on this current pullback
the real & conclusive answer will be clearer & known after 3 months, just like the sub-prime crisis; learn abt cds, swaps & etc at tat time rclxub.gif
from an ikan bilis player point of view

former
newsletter - n/a
stock selection:buy & sell price - yup
market direction - yup
worldwide / alien view - yup
prompt feedback for emergency - yup
october myth - yup, we were riding sama2

latter
newsletter - none, not for our view, maybe clients only
stock selection:buy & sell price - none, not for our view, maybe clients only
market direction - none, not for our view, maybe clients only
worldwide / alien view - only china (sure boh?)
prompt feedback for emergency - hmm.gif
october myth - hmm

thus for the moment with a point of 5 to 1, have to side with doomcake brows.gif the final winner wil be decided by sifu market itself cool.gif

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QUOTE(David_Brent @ Feb 4 2010, 12:41 AM)

Anyone who relies on these indices for more than +/- 5% of their decision making serious needs their heads examined IMHO.
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Yes! I do rely on indexes for my decision making and it is unfortunate that market was not able to show theory of 'bear jump out from window' this week and which is your excellent doctor to recommend for head examination brows.gif

As long as the line at the sideway of chart is not moving upwards, I am not buying any new positions cool2.gif

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QUOTE(zamans98 @ Feb 4 2010, 10:37 PM)
As I wrote @ other thread, we will revisit 10,000-10,050 tomorrow.

Q buy RBS, ING and UNG.
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confused leh rclxub.gif yesterday u said 10,500 boleh mari, now wat to do nex?
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QUOTE(zamans98 @ Feb 4 2010, 10:52 PM)
aiya, im an analyst @ GS. Like they said, cannot trust 'em like smile.gif

Mebi I salah wrote 10,500 instead of 10,050??
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u analis ni suka suka saje letak itu '0' kat meratata tempat. faster go buy the dip, pasar needs all ur full support nod.gif bulls go pray 10k can hold
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QUOTE(zamans98 @ Feb 4 2010, 11:05 PM)
susah loh. Hope to maintain 10,000 oh.
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u got another 5 hours to pull ur bull team together, pray hard & go buy the dip
ensure ur bull not stepping on shit, otherwise result is bullshit doh.gif
klse u got 100% bull members, ask them support the pasar & BUY fast fast rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(zamans98 @ Feb 4 2010, 11:16 PM)
duh, 90 pts to 10000. 2morow could be RED data, so 10K is quite possible
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dun be like tat, past 2 days lyn thread so positive & bulleh, must maintain the bulleh spirit! thumbup.gif
the only way to support pasar is to buy nod.gif action speaks louder than word!
guess 10k can rebound to kill bear team 1 again, those poor bear team 1 which cover... my condolences wink.gif
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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Feb 4 2010, 11:35 PM)
ngek ngek ngek.... brows.gif
I've been waiting for <10k for long time already....
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alredi in position liao wub.gif but it was a real pain in the arse sitting on the short position, but as they say no pain no gain sweat.gif
who knows? with the new klse lyn thread motto of tiger roar
when wake up tomolo dog jones at 10,300 klse at 1,300 - u bulls in lyn can do it, just like the past 2 days, think BULLEH flex.gif
I wan to tidur liao yawn.gif tomolo got early doktor appointment for head examination cool2.gif
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QUOTE(epalbee3 @ Feb 4 2010, 11:30 PM)
So in conclusion, the market is long term bear now..

happy those who like to short..
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we all started out with sampan, as time goes by, must upgrade & learn to sit submarine & roket, be flexible wink.gif

y say like tat abt bear & short? at 1st u bull, hapi, then u bear,sad, then bull,hapi, then bear,sad & so forth rclxub.gif
hard la, alwiz 'see saw' like tis, mus learn a bit how to interpret TA or FA, whichever suits u
then u must learn to trust ur own gut instinct & do not rely on others for tips whistling.gif

the past few days, FA sounds good, but TA alredi shown sumting is wrong much earlier blink.gif
unless got other good news out there, then TA will surely climb back up, but there isn't any nod.gif
anyway, time to buy soon once it crack below 10k or nearby 200dma, no garanti. then go buy TM, can hold medium term cool2.gif

did u see dog jones psychological index down 200 point jus now - cool man! thumbup.gif it does make the heart beat excitedly rclxms.gif
now where did my heart jump to, need to find it & see heart doktor too brows.gif
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QUOTE(zamans98 @ Feb 5 2010, 12:34 AM)
I'm a FA man, not TA.

LONG position opened. Bull will regain the lead smile.gif
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u r one flexible fellow, from sampan can ride roket & sit submarine too rclxms.gif
I use FA sift thru shit, then use TA for entry & exit
can u advise tis thread on the FA news which make dog jones nearing 10k drool.gif providing links to news will help the newbies a lot

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Feb 5 2010, 05:17 AM)
Closing Update
Dow 10002.26 -268.29 -2.61%
Nasdaq 2125.43 -65.48 -2.99%
S&P 500 1063.11 -34.22 -3.11%

The Dow did breached below 10K (9999.69) right at the sec but closing adjustment pop it back up about 2+ points. The dollar went up like crazy (the USD still rules!) . Gold and Silver all sold off!  laugh.gif

We got confirmation the bear trend is back. All uptrend technicals are broken.
The bulls have left the party, yeah.. bear suit now is on! 
Most likely, every rally will be sold now until we flatten. laugh.gif

Tonight - the Unemployment report - expected to be bad.  nod.gif
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Welcome aboard bear team 2 to join bear team 1, as we take this exciting journey & explore the teori world of 'bear jump out window' rclxm9.gif
long time never had such a FUN feeling, anyway, who r ur short candidates drool.gif
who knows? maybe there could be a bounce at 10k to put a smile on the bull face whistling.gif as the only assurance I can give on certainty, its uncertainty

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