need advice for cheap camera....

Type of camera/lens/accesories : compact
Budget: below rm400 got ar??
Your Location: KL
Preferable brand : reputable brand
Type of photography u want to do : all types
Any specific models in mind? : samsung es60
Any specific features u want? : --


what i want is only a cheap, easy to use, for entry level user camera....

Type of camera/lens/accesories : Lensmate SX10is Filter Adapter 58mm
Budget: as low as possible
Your Location: Melaka
Preferable brand : Lensmate
Type of photography u want to do : -
Any specific models in mind? : -
Any specific features u want? : the item in this link --> http://www.lensmateonline.com/newsite/SX10SX1.html

anyone know where i can get it? or someone could help me buy it? thx. a lot.

Well, i couldn't make a judgement immediately...from what i see, LUMIX DMC-FH20 seems to be a pretty good choice.

But wait, since i've never used any of those before, i can't possibly tell u how the output image will be. In order to overcome this problem, u can go to flickr > search for the respective cams > view the samples there. Depending on ur liking, u can then decide which suits u best. And, bear in mind that different users has a different photo taking capabilities. So, one might turned out great but another user might not. So, u gotto pick the one where u feel comfortable using...all provided that ur budget allows!

Also, I've no idea on how good is the built quality of those cams. U must also consider that, does those 2 brands actually has their respective service centers here. This is to ensure that u won't be absolutely screwed if ur cam fails.

Another thing, u must check out how fast does those camera boots up. Sry that i can't tell u cause i own none of those. Be sure to check it out cause a long boot up time might take away ur only chance to capture a perfect moment.

Also, test their autofocus speed. According to my experience on using PnS cams, slow AF speed might consume ur precious time as well.



This post has been edited by lugiamcg: Feb 17 2010, 08:56 PM

err, there're lots of first hand cams out there which is lower than RM400. Even great brands like Sony has it.

Before u proceed, read my tldrs here.

First, what u mean by 'easy to use'. According to my experience, most of my friends complain about cheap cameras has a slow bootup time, slow shutter, slow processing, low battery performance n most importantly low image quality. So, do u consider that as easy to use?

Well, lemme give u a situation here. Assume that u saw a lovely sports car on the road. U love it so much that u want to capture that moment. So, u pulled out ur cam n start it up. For most budget cams, u'll get start up time like 2-3s. Once that, u hit the shutter. The focus kicks in and it's a slow focus...another .5 of a second gone. Once it is already in focus, the shutter usually take 1s for a entry level cams. So wait, how long is that again? About 3.5-4.5s. If it's a F430, it has already reached ~100km/h =D

well, i'm not saying that u shouldn't buy entry levels. Just that, u gotto made up ur mind bro. Cause, u'll waste more money if decided to change later.

The most important thing is though, try the camera urself at their respective centers

Btw, i found this on sonystyle m'sia for one of it's budget cam
Start-up
Approx. 3.0sec
Shutter Time Lag
Approx. 1.0sec
Release Time Lag
Approx. 0.2sec
Burst Speed (Maximum)
Approx. 1.0 fps
Burst Interval (Minimum)
Approx. 1.0sec

This post has been edited by lugiamcg: Feb 17 2010, 08:59 PM

Considering 2nd hand? If yes, i can't help u.

If u want first hand, from main dealers and Canon...the only thing u can have is 1000D with a standard kit lens.

If u're considering other brands,...

Sony, u can have a230(i personally don't advice it), a330( pretty good deal), a380(single lens only)

Nikon, only D3000 with a standard lens...

PS: nothing overweight ur own liking. Just go to their respective centers n try it out.

Do u like liveview?

This post has been edited by lugiamcg: Feb 17 2010, 09:22 PM

AA batteries as in those disposal ones ?
i'm finding those rechargable ones . lol .
wouldn't AA batteries be a burden ?

Any alkaline AA batteries...
Yes, u can use rechargeable bats
err, some do find it as a burden but some doesn't. They claim that it comes in handy when u ran out of juice when u need it the most...ie: u can buy from anywhere =D

Well, there are also models that offers LithiumIon battery packs, but u gotto double check with dealers lol.

Nikon D300 if you're a fan of the red triangle, or the 7D if you're on the white side.

There is a cheaper alternative - the D90 and the 50D which would save you a bit for an extra lens or two. I'd go for the cheaper body, cause lenses don't depreciate as much as camera bodies do. That's just me though.

D90 has better image processing skills than the D200. Image processor makes a difference in the ISO question. If you want the ruggedness and the FPS of the D200 though, well, safe to say, go for it.

There are no imitation cameras. LOL. Honestly mate. Your help is appreciated but please, help appropriately and most importantly, give the right advice.

To the person that this post was intended to, RSP/RRP is RECOMMENDED selling/retail price. There will be and there are dealers (you can even find in Garage Sales) that sell well below this RSP/RRP. And in your case, the D3000 is obtainable at RM2k with free gifts included, no worries.

The best for you would be the 450D, but I'm not sure if you can find it anymore though. The 550D is coming out soon, hopefully, and with the release of the 550D the 500D's price will be reduced to clear stock. You could either 1. wait, or 2. go for a 1000D/450D, provided you can find.

Your safest bet would be with a Lumix. The F3/F2 is coming out soon, not yet though. What is your budget by the way?

Canon Powershot A-series? That'd be your best bet. It's safe to say that Canon is a really reliable brand in both the compact and DSLR sector.

You could look around in the Garage Sales section for help on purchasing from overseas. Also, there might be other variants of this product in the Garage Sales section. Do take a look around there, you might be able to find what you need.

lol, how can u be so sure. China could ripoff every single thing on the market =D At least im juz playing safe n want them to be safe too.

Not that i really want them to buy an expensive one...juz that a few of my frens had that kind of experience of being con by some sellers. Most got conned in buying pc stuffs n some on camera's equipment.

Don't mention about imitations first, as a first time dslr/compact buyers, many people wouldn't realize whether the box has been altered anot.

What if the seller sell em' a 2nd hand model with the price of a first hand? u know, m'sian businessmen...haiz.

Anyway, i think it's better to juz give our opinions to them n let them decide which is the best for themselve. At least more opinions does help out alot =D

This post has been edited by lugiamcg: Feb 18 2010, 12:19 AM

Sensor technology, processor technology, optics technology, is there a reason why Canon, Nikon, Sony, Zeiss etc dominates the market? Where're they from? They're almost all from Japan. Zeiss from Germany.

Just cause China can rip off plastic items, fake iPods etc doesn't mean that they can replicate/imitate camera technology. You're being too paranoid. Just cause PC stuffs can be conned on, doesn't mean camera equipment can too. And just cause they most likely got cheated on the price doesn't mean they got conned either.

There are so many ways you can check whether the DSLR/compact is a first hand/2nd hand model, and that includes shutter count. Just because your mentality and imagery of Malaysian businessmen is so bad, doesn't necessarily mean that is true.

Well, I'm not going to argue on about this matter. Have you seen anybody complaining about getting conned by sellers? Those who get conned just didn't do enough research, that's all.

Type of camera/lens/accesories: DSLR with kitlens and 2 lenses(one for portrait, one for macro)
Budget: RM6000 +/-
Your Location: Gombak
Preferable brand: Nikon or Canon
Type of photography u want to do: Portrait, macro, events
Any specific models in mind?: Thinking of D90, but then will leave me with too little extra for lenses.
Any specific features u want?: >3 focus points

Ok, no arguements...

Juz a few questions.

1) Multi touch technology from iphones. How china got it cloned?
2) If i reset the factory settings of the camera, shutter counts wouldn't change?


Yes, heard people who get conned b4. Err, no, not heard, i knew those person in real life.

and have u seen sellers who sell camera lenses with no warranty, absorbents and juz a plain cardboard box? well yeah, i did. Isn't it obvious that isn't the real deal.

Well, anyway, since u know alot, which shop do u recommend me to buy stuffs. I'm looking for a CPL. I can't find sellers who're selling good quality ones with less than RM500.

thx =D

D80? You could find a used D90 too which goes for around 2.5k+- depending on usage and condition.

D80 will be around RM2k<< but expect it to be really seasoned (wear and tear etc, grip marks, etc).

That should be able to fit in a decent 50 1.4 and a macro, depending on which one you want.

1. China phones don't have multi-touch. They do have resistive touchscreens though (those which needs pokes) which aren't really good either. Apple's capacitive technology so far hasn't been challenged much other than the HTC, Google and Motorola Droid etc phones. China phones can't compete in this sector due to the complexity.

2. Nope, the shutter count can't be reset unless you change the mechanism altogether. I've sent my Canon for servicing and they changed it. Previously it was at 10k+ but as they put in a new one my DSLR's SC is only up to 4300 now. For Canon it is unresettable and the shutter count is embedded inside the DiGiC chip.

Those sellers usually state that the lenses are second hand, grey set, etc. I don't think you'd believe a guy trying to sell you a new 'kit' without the box. That's just plain ridiculous and shouts scam all over.

You might want to drop by some M'sian photography forums. ShutterAsia and PhotoMalaysia will be your best bet. I don't think I'm allowed to do this, so please go ahead and have a look there - they have something that will fancy you.

PM me if you need any more help on that.

This post has been edited by TheWandererX: Feb 18 2010, 12:15 PM

I already go flickr see the respective cams,but it seem like Olympus FE-5020 is more good then other and i will consider it. Or i will go to shop to try the AF speed so will not consume my precious time as well as.

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Added on February 18, 2010, 12:41 pmMy budget is RM1000 below (include 8GB memory card)

This post has been edited by xavierkang: Feb 18 2010, 12:41 PM

Type of camera/lens/accesories : DSLR
Budget : RM2200
Your Location : Petaling Jaya
Preferable brand : Sony, Nikon, Canon
Type of photography u want to do : Mostly for cars and sometimes macro and landscapes
Any specific models in mind? : Sony A230, Nikon D3000
Any specific features u want? : High ISO, Nice interface, Good function layouts which are easy to understand

This post has been edited by white_flame: Feb 18 2010, 01:54 PM

Type of camera/lens/accessories : DSLR camera
Budget : RM2000 to RM3000 include kit lens
Your Location : Kajang
Preferable brand : Canon or Nikon
Type of photography u want to do : Landscape, portrait, events or function
Any specific models in mind? : 450D, 500D, D5000
Any specific features u want? : User friendly

If i am buying a DSLR with basic 18-55mm lens what "additional things" tat i have to buy it? because today i went to a shop, the sales man tell me to add filter, and kaca screen protector and more . The price is from rm2.1k jump to 3k ++ those these things really needed? or the DSLR with normal stuff is already enough?

Type of camera/lens/accesories : point and shoot
Budget : less than RM 1,000
Your Location : Selangor / Ipoh
Preferable brand : Panasonic / canon (would highly appreciate if model is provided)
Type of photography u want to do : misc.
Any specific models in mind? : need your advice
Any specific features u want? : able to capture in-doors and preferable night scene as well without flash to preserve the actual lightings and erm.. sharp pictures.

regards,

Point blanc

so most important point is how your hand feel about camera? since most function similar..

yes, shit china has already cloned the multitouch technology. Not perfect but still, i've no idea how they did it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhQUCO79QPs

Oo...so canon can't. But the bad thing i though, Sony can. I browse through the settings n found a reset thingy. U hit that, u wouldn't be able to tell the exact count anymore =D

alright, heading to those forums now =D