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Buying Advice Wanna buy New Camera? Undecided which to choose?V3, ASK HERE! Dont create a thread elsewher

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post Oct 20 2010, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Oct 20 2010, 04:48 PM)
Titanium is flexible ler so it'll feel the same tongue.gif

I'm just saying that at tech spec etc aside... at the same price-points... the red and yellow camp equivalent feels better built.

Don't have take my word for it... just go camera shop... tap tap the plastic. They're all plastic but the others doesn't feel like its hollow inside
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yeah i agree about this. but no, they are not same priced la. eventhough they are close. blush.gif


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post Oct 20 2010, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(ADVedder @ Oct 20 2010, 05:14 PM)
thanks guys... will check out both later.. really appreciate it! btw nikon equivalent to canon 60D?
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which nikon are you refering to? nikon lens?nikon PnS? nikon DSLR? nikon microscope? nikon spectacles? rclxub.gif
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post Oct 20 2010, 06:50 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Oct 20 2010, 05:17 PM)
I tokin about 550D wor... not 60D. Rather spend the extra $$$ on lens.
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yeala...when 550D first time came out how much was the price...and now sony a55 come out how much the price.. few hundred ringgit difference leh.. laugh.gif
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post Oct 22 2010, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(sevenor @ Oct 22 2010, 08:39 AM)
CoreDud, thank you thank you!    notworthy.gif

More suggestions plssssss... rclxms.gif
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i would suggest the sony a33. its small, light(although the cheap plastic build maybe a turn off). for 3k you can get the body and TWO kit lens if i am not mistaken. or you can get the sony a55 with ONE kit lens. sony bodies have built in stabilisation so every lens you attach to the body can have stabilising effect, unlike canon and nikon which relies on built-in lens stabilisation.

even acceptable images at iso 12800, let alone iso 6400. biggrin.gif

currently has the best AF for video recording in a DSLR. very silent(even for normal lenses). very very quick and accurate compared to the 550D, 5DM2 and the likes.








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post Oct 22 2010, 10:17 AM

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@sniper
sorry but what's airfix plastic? hmm.gif plastic i know la. laugh.gif airfix....?

as for the EVF, the only cons i can think of is you might not get used to it or just personally don't like it for no reason. laugh.gif

with EVF, you can view your pictures directly in the view finder without taking your eye off, some may like it, some may think its a hassle(can be disabled).

if you change your WB, you can see how it actually looks like in the EVF. conventionally, you have to try your luck, or rely on experience, or use live view to check.

you can also get the real depth of field. in conventional DSLRs, you can only see the depth of field at f3.5 even if you are shooting at f1.4 . of course if you are shooting at f3.5 and below then the depth of field is accurate.

and many more benefits you can go read yourself la. biggrin.gif



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post Oct 22 2010, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(dennis5585 @ Oct 22 2010, 10:44 AM)
what is the diff between a33 & a55, my wife is new to dslr, should i get her a33 or a55 ?
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a33 less megapixels, and no GPS tagging. otherwise its the same. smile.gif

QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Oct 22 2010, 10:45 AM)
Aiyar I know lar brudder... Sony's EVF is already the best in the market.

The same rationale can be used for composing using LCD.
What you see is what you get.. all adjustments immediately reflected onto the the seen image etc.

In most practical and all logical sense, an electronic view finder is superior.

But........ electronic have no soul and viewing the real light/image through the lens has a certain ZEN.. this alone beats logic.. hahahhahaa tongue.gif
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ehh..if you put vivid mode hor...everything in real life now will look more dull. tongue.gif

QUOTE(sevenor @ Oct 22 2010, 10:52 AM)
Thanks a lot zstan. If not for you the A33/55 probably would have escaped my radar.  sweat.gif  Will definitely check them out. Hope I like how they look and feel. hmm.gif

Wow! even images at iso 12800 also boleh tahan! Then lower iso no need to say already loh hor. That's surely a strong point to me since I like existing light photography. 

I didn't know that Sony has the best AF for vid recording. Good that you point it out to me.

I'm rather impressed with the autofocus speed shown in the videos. Are Canon/Nikon's much slower, anybody knows?

Wonder Sony's lenses are in the same league as Canon and Nikon already?

Thank you once again zstan. rclxms.gif
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look and feel.. its too small and light for me though, then again, it might just be the one for you wink.gif

as far as i know, only nikon d3100 has AF for video recording. 60D got AF or not a? and yes its definitely much slower than sony's. biggrin.gif

if you are refering to the G lenses and Sony Carl Zeiss lenses, of course they are the same league with the Canon's L and Nikon's Nikkor lenses, if not better.

its relatively cheaper as well considering you don't need to pay more for built in-lens stabilisation.

however i concede that canon and nikon has more lenses to choose from. then again, there's always 3rd party lenses, at a cheaper price with reasonably good optics too. wink.gif
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post Oct 22 2010, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(sevenor @ Oct 22 2010, 11:15 AM)
Actually I had dabbled with most of the big names except Minolta (strange, don't know why). Sony and Panasonic cameras were not out yet. Cameras I owned are now antiques already. I also malu to tell you guys. Anyway, they were Canon AE1, Canon A1, Olympus OM2N, Pentax MX and lastly the Nikon FM which I coupled it a 28-200mm/f3.5 Tamron lens besides the standard lens it came with, if I remember correctly.

The last 20 years or so I had switched to compact cameras after tired of dragging heavy and bulky slr around. That's why at first I thought of getting the Pana LX5 as my next camera istead of DSLR, but alas no DOF susah lah.

What's the pros and cons of EVF, anyone?

Thanks once again, Sniper.  notworthy.gif
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this was my post above:

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as for the EVF, the only cons i can think of is you might not get used to it or just personally don't like it for no reason.

with EVF, you can view your pictures directly in the view finder without taking your eye off, some may like it, some may think its a hassle(can be disabled).

if you change your WB, you can see how it actually looks like in the EVF. conventionally, you have to try your luck, or rely on experience, or use live view to check.

you can also get the real depth of field. in conventional DSLRs, you can only see the depth of field at f3.5 even if you are shooting at f1.4 . of course if you are shooting at f3.5 and below then the depth of field is accurate.

and many more benefits you can go read yourself la.



Added on October 22, 2010, 11:21 am
QUOTE(sevenor @ Oct 22 2010, 11:15 AM)

Will the loss of 30% of the light affect the IQ?

Cheers!
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100% NO!

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post Oct 22 2010, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(sevenor @ Oct 22 2010, 11:30 AM)
Judging from what you explained, this EVF thing seems to be a good idea.  smile.gif

What do you mean by "conventional DSLR"? About the depth of field, why is it that with conventional DSLR you can only see DOF at f3.5 even if you are shooting at f1.4?   rclxub.gif

"...you can go read yourself la", I know but lazy ma that's why I asked you sifu's loh. Else have to spend 10's of hours browsing on the net, see liao. biggrin.gif

Arigato zstan!  notworthy.gif
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conventional DSLR means those that are using the OVF lor.. this has gotta do with the glass used in the view finder...

QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Oct 22 2010, 11:31 AM)
I dunno why people so adverse to manual focusing in video mode. Even the best video AF also slower than manual wat.
Wow... those are classics. Always wanted to get an AE1

OVF (traditional mirror) vs EVF --> Its like looking at a beautiful scene while being there vs watching it on a TV (albeit a Full HD TV)
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nola..

sevenor stated 'video recording with AF is preferable' in his list ma. laugh.gif ..no doubt all serious videographers use manual focusing..

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Any specific features u want? :  If can take HD video with zoom and autofocus functions while taking video that would be a big plus.



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post Oct 22 2010, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(sevenor @ Oct 22 2010, 03:02 PM)

So need to ask you when they say a camera's video recording has AF do they mean that the camera will keep on refocusing whenever you point the camera on a different target/subject like when we video a person moving towards you? Sorry, I'm so behing time, guess I lau liao  cry.gif And how do you go about refocusing it manually? Is it troublesome?  hmm.gif

Thanks in advance everybody.

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i think if you watch the video again you might get your answer. wink.gif note that i am refering to sony a55/33 only.

sniper has provided a good explanation on how to focus manually. laugh.gif

QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Oct 22 2010, 03:23 PM)
Yeah but problem is that it's slow even on the fastest system.. you can check youtube for examples.

Refocussing it manually is just like turn turn focus ring on the lens like your old SLRs... only easier as the video is shown on the LCD (liveview).

Situations such as kid running around.. forget AF video.. it's not fast enough and when its HD resolution... its will show.


Added on October 22, 2010, 3:29 pm

That could be a bit of a problem.. I don't think any of the camp have wide angle prime for crop sensor.

My usual carry-everywhere setup is an entry 550D body + a Sigma 30mm f1.4 (= 48mm) + 55-250mm tele. Still looking for wide angle solution though.
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erm..did you watch the video that i posted? slow AF? hmm.gif

if your kid is running up down left right centre go far go near your lens, i doubt, as an amateur videographer, manual focussing can do a better job. even pro videographers might have a bit of problem for that matter.

if you are recording something moving moderately fast in a straight line without changing the direction or distance between the camera, i think the AF still can cope.

oh, and one more pros for the EVF, you can record videos through the view finder as well laugh.gif
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post Oct 22 2010, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(dennis5585 @ Oct 22 2010, 05:32 PM)
can sony a33/a55 shoot video with manual focus ?
i read from others sony a33/a55 can only shoot video with AF, is it true ?
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of course can. just set the settings the MF. smile.gif

QUOTE(sevenor @ Oct 22 2010, 05:45 PM)
Yes of course I did. Was impressed with the speed of the autofocusing. Would have thought that big names like Canon and Nikon also the same. Surprised.  shocking.gif

Think I'll like the EVF cos don't like holding camera away from body/face - it's not so steadly especially at shutter speeds longer than 0.5 second. Hate having to carry tripod or monopod.

Was checking the camera and lens prices just now and noticed that Canon bodies come in EOS and D series, correct? Can you guys tell me what are their differences? Thanks a lot.
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big names? i'd like to think of them as heavily advertised brands. tongue.gif

oh, did i mention the a55 can go 10 frames per second too? biggrin.gif but of course there are some restrictions shooting at such high speed.

errr..they are the same la..

eg. canon eos 550D, canon eos 5Dmark2...canon eos 7D.. can ask canon users to clarify though
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QUOTE(sevenor @ Oct 22 2010, 06:28 PM)
I believe there will be less camera shakes cos no mirror movement as it is fixed. You all forgot to highlight that Variable Angle Xtra Fine LCD which I found very useful from past experience.

Just found out that Sony A33 can only shoot up to 11 minutes of video at 20 degrees Celsius with Image Stabilization turned on, due to sensor overheating issue. A55 worse, only 9 minutes. In our hot weather it'll be worse.  cry.gif

What a waste cos I've more or less decided on Sony SLT DSLR (provided it feel right when I go and check it out in the shop and not too bulky like I saw on the web). Now only need to see which model and package to go for. I may have to top up my budget by 1-2k if I go for A55. Hope my bank manager won't ask me to sleep on my own after my purchase.  biggrin.gif

Last but not least, thanks to all of you sifus for your guidance. Really appreciate it.
Mmm Koi Mmm Koi!!! rclxms.gif
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hahaha. i knew you are going to say that. its negligible. if you turn off Super Steady Shot you can go up to 29 minutes.

but then again, ask yourself, how often are you going to shoot 11 minutes straight without pausing? rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(sevenor @ Oct 22 2010, 10:01 PM)
True, true. I agree. Phew!  rclxm9.gif

The A55's EVF protrudes out so much wonder nice to use or not. Heard it has got this 'rainbow' ghosting issue.
And the PASM dial, so unconventional located. Don't know practical or not.
What do you guys think?
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why not you just go to a sony shop now and try for yourself instead of reading reviews. not to say they are useless...but sometimes..when something is so good..people tend to find the slightest of faults..

its lucky you haven't read the 'a55 sucks because it doesnt have soft focus/pin hole/tilt-shift filters unlike the canon 60D'... doh.gif
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post Oct 22 2010, 11:57 PM

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there are already a few users of sony a55 in this thread:

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1603420

maybe u can ask their opinion. smile.gif
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post Oct 24 2010, 12:06 AM

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my question is, why do you need the 2nd body?
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post Oct 24 2010, 12:22 AM

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lol. i'd take the canon 550D if i were you. much, much better specs. i have a 450D i know how sucky it is compared to 550D. oopsssssss. no offense 450D users =X

the kit lens is one of the best among the 3 big brands..and i'd suggest you save some money to get the VC version of the 1750..

and although the siggy is better in quality..how sure are you that you would like a prime?

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errr..why do you say that D90's photo quality is better than 550D?
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post Oct 24 2010, 08:13 PM

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you cannot compare like that la. unless you using the same settings and same lens to shoot the same subject.

however i do agree that D90 has a better built, feels more 'pro' than the 550D, with the inclusion of the top LCD screen. and yes, d90 has more of those 'shortcut functions'. higher fps also if i am not mistaken. biggrin.gif

but saying that d90 is better than 550D because d90 photo quality better without any solid facts....i cannot accept la. laugh.gif


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QUOTE(dantwt @ Oct 25 2010, 09:32 AM)
Type of camera/lens/accesories : Rugged Compact P&S

Budget: 1.4k & below.

Your Location: Penang

Preferable brand : Any brand will do

Type of photography u want to do : Outdoor, beach, underwater, hiking @ KK, etc

Any specific models in mind? : Panasonic FT2

Any specific features u want? : Withstand at least 3M underwater. Minimal drops and shock. Balanced price to Image quality ratio.

Note: Already own a DSLR but want something small to complement it.. especially when going outdoors and rugged environments.
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sony tx-5!!! icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(dennis5585 @ Oct 25 2010, 11:27 AM)
my fren wanted to get an underwater digicam..
should get sony tx-5 or panasonic ft2 ?

he wans to use it when going to beach, can take some photo/video underwater, but in most of the case is still taking photo/video on dry land.
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how deep first?

the max also can go is about 3 meters nia. anything more than that needs casing.

sony tx-5 for the specs and the design~ icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(dantwt @ Oct 25 2010, 12:16 PM)
Lol.. Any idea on the pricing of TX-5?

Managed to try the FT2. 10m underwater is impressive.. but the LCD and image quality is mediocre.
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RM1299 retail.

can get it cheaper lo. laugh.gif


Added on October 25, 2010, 12:25 pm
QUOTE(dantwt @ Oct 25 2010, 12:16 PM)
Sand might get stuck in the slider.. and touchscreen sensitivity degrades when used underwater (not sure if this is true)...
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hmmm..if dun slide it up and down i don't think can get in la..sure got some seal..unless you really purposely go and expose it to sand...

for normal water..i dun think so..for sea water..probably hmm.gif

QUOTE(ic3rock @ Oct 25 2010, 12:21 PM)
Max 3 meter, if dive more than 3 meter, what will happen to the camera? Only not function or will spoil it?
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water will start to seep in your camera due to higher pressure as you go deeper....... laugh.gif

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