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post Nov 22 2009, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(KLshcoolkid @ Nov 22 2009, 02:00 AM)
Congratulation for blocking me out.  It’s indeed a chicken out act by you. Ha ha ha

Anyway , don’t worry , this is the newly created ones, but agin don’t worry, I’ll not going to bother you again.Just to put up some note especially to those still couldn’t get it …mmmmm….sad innit…

Okay…Remember the keywords:
=International sport Business industries
=Cultures Local & Abroad
= Attitudes

International muliti billion euro business sport industries used their controlled tools like mainstream media, sport products manufacturer –fr.  global tv, advertising, magazines, newspaper/tabloids  - all in creating the trend or culture of consumerism. Why? Because it’s a business. It got nothing to do with the football cultures in any specific location/ region, its just mainly a profit-driven global business.  One of the many ways to capture a huge massive profit worldwide is through merchandizing like Jerseys (one sample to make it clear here).How to get everybody spend their money and buying  these jersey? Easy, they pictured  everything to look good and beautiful. They create dreams. They create things so you become proud in buying them. They create stories about world are all into it and everybody must have one. They feed false cultures.  They create events to heat up the ‘divide and conquer’ games  amongst yerself . They selling dreams. They only want you to chase the dreams they’re selling, to buy the product they’re selling, all over again and again…every season and every year. So you guys would prolonged arguing debating amongst each other while keep on crawling and buying what they feed you.

Culturally (not business …just to remind you on separate issues here) – to undermine the domino  impact of robust marketing towards local cultures in relevant to this issue.

a.In Malaysia 

…So, people who swallow without thinking just crawl for the products , dream of the products, squeeze to buy the products, wearing them, being proud, patch up stickers to their cars or here and there, Proud and  bragging, show each othetr that they get the ‘originals’, show each other that they ‘re so and so supporters or fanatical supporters, and they think they know everything about the clubs and the football whilst they actually been manipulated very very easy fell into victim of multi billion euro marketing industries.They think that all the worlds are into it. They think that there’re part of the family of original foreign home ground supporters. They never to whether think they would be acceptable or otherwise. They think that if the foreign home grd supporter saw them wearing their jersey, they will greet you and overwhelmed to learn that “wow you’re also supporter of our team? Wow…how nice, what a surprised…where is Malaysia…bla bla bla”
Some even dream of getting themselves to lick the foreign home ground stadium.
They also wearing the jersey without acceptable event.

b.In home ground foreign turf.

Its their homeground team. Their neighbourhood. Their stadium. They ‘re born in this place. It their ‘things’ culturally. They don’t accept others. Its their turfs. Its so protective  Its their jersey their home jersey. They know when and where  to wear and put on their jersey on.. ( note: jersey are dirt cheap there).They have very strong community in protecting their turfs, their home supporters, they sing their own song …various local songs suited certain events. They sing along, they drink along, protect along some in very nasty way, they watch their turf, they watch each other and almost they know each other and connect fairly easy to who and who. Over there, football is not just the game, the management, the home ground investment and flagship. Its some way as ritual for them, its for their home ground. It covers the other side of the surface itself. Its their blood. Its about underground world of football organization.

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The original foreign homeground supporter - They don’t give a toss if you’re reaching your dreams coming over to their homeground wearing their jerseys hoping for recognition and greetings or welcome from them or waiting for home grd supporter offer drinks to you as you think you’re the same supporter from Malaysia’ You dream and you hope and crying.

The reality is they don’t give a toss where you come from. They don’t need you. They don’t even want you. Who are you to wear their homeground jerseys? Who’re you to sing their homegrond song? Who’re you to get into their pubs and be with the homegrond crowds? So , what are you doing with their jerseys? Because you ‘ve been totally been  manipulated, abused, cheated,  believe what the business industries had feed you, what the business industries had been telling you, what the business industrieshad been selling you …selling you with dreams, selling you with psychological info so you become proud, so you must buy their products, their jerseys, you become proud, you buy stickers and patch up to yer vehicles, you become proud so you brag to the world that you are ‘so and so’ supporter , you become proud to support the team which is thousands of miles away from you, the place you don’t know nothing about, the culture you don’t know nothing about, the people you don’t know nothing about, the roots you don’t know nothing about. The only thing that you know or think that you know is what the business industries feed you…that’s it by actually you know nothing except been screwed!

You been screwed so loose that even you pathetically wearing their jerseys in a match with your own national team. This would not be taken place or happened in their home country! It’s a shameful disgusting act even in their home country where the foreign club exist which the jersey you’re proudly wearing or put on. They were just laughing at you, don’t you see? Have you watch any of this match tv coverage in their country? How humiliating the coverage, even more humiliating when they aired the view/scene of Malaysians wearing one of their local home football club in a match against Malaysia ! How disgusting!~ What the feedback from them?from the people there?  “ they’re just laughing out loud  coz You are idiots, you’re dumb ass…you see? It’s a damn joke!  And yet you feel proud wearing those foreign jersey ? Gosh!

You see? You get the picture now? You get these attitudes?

Well, its okay if you wish to pursue with it.and continue humiliating yerself. The original foreign homeground supporters would say to you straight in yer face” whose this monkey idiots doin here with our jersey!!!?”and its not free as you spend hundreds of rinngit to get those remarkable acknowledgements.

Either way, if you’re pursuing wearing them with such attitudes in KL ,then just to let you know that you only humiliating yerself in front of KL community.

Coz

You’re FOOLY PROUD OF NOTHING.

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that is what we called Globalisation. i know what u're trying to say. and if u tried to change people here with that kind of language of yours, sorry to say, u'll get bashed.
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post Nov 22 2009, 11:03 AM

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klschoolkid, i can see u have da indon mentality. u know?

this kind of epl vs country thing only exist in east asia. In europe , they dun play club againts country. And what is the reason for epl clubs to come to Malaysia? behind the scene, of course it is about money. Above the scene, it is about supporters. So those supporters wear their jersey as a sign of support. I bet all those supporters will be happy regardless of how much is the score, or who win the match. Its just a paradox.

U need to see from both side to know what i am talking about. else, u have the indon mentality.

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post Nov 22 2009, 11:15 AM

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Personally I don't really want to comment too much on this issue.. Why? Football is a hobby and meant for fun, why so serious? Who cares if we wear whatever jersey.... It doesn't make the person less patriotic or what.... Why so serious.

I just want to say that I disagree this statement:

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The reality is they don’t give a toss where you come from. They don’t need you. They don’t even want you. Who are you to wear their homeground jerseys? Who’re you to sing their homegrond song? Who’re you to get into their pubs and be with the homegrond crowds? So , what are you doing with their jerseys? Because you ‘ve been totally been  manipulated, abused, cheated,  believe what the business industries had feed you, what the business industries had been telling you, what the business industrieshad been selling you …selling you with dreams, selling you with psychological info so you become proud, so you must buy their products, their jerseys, you become proud, you buy stickers and patch up to yer vehicles, you become proud so you brag to the world that you are ‘so and so’ supporter , you become proud to support the team which is thousands of miles away from you, the place you don’t know nothing about, the culture you don’t know nothing about, the people you don’t know nothing about, the roots you don’t know nothing about. The only thing that you know or think that you know is what the business industries feed you…that’s it by actually you know nothing except been screwed!
How do you know they don't need us?

Why is Real Madrid interested on the Asian market? Why did Florentino Perez thinkered on the idea of moving the broadcast timeline to suit the Asian timezone?

Why did some clubs like United encourage the participation of foreign fans? Introducing the One United scheme to attract more foreign fans. Introducing manutd.com.kr and manutd.com.jp

And don't you think that there is an opportunity for us as well from our behalf. Airasia being sponsors for the EPL refs and United? Aren't we also taking advantage as well? Are the brits idiots because they have sponsors from a Malaysia company?

How do you know that the fans there don't accept us? I lived in England once, I know how they view us. Heck, in England also.. United fans come from many districts in UK. They have fans from Ireland who make daytime trips, Cockney fans from London etc etc... Do the local United fans from Salford, Bury etc etc reject their presence?

About your anger on the Malaysia fans who wore United jerseys to watch the Man Utd vs Malaysia game.. Did the United fans boo Amri Yahyah when he scored? Who cheered the Malaysian team? Were they booed? Don't question the fan's patriotism because they wore United jerseys. It's a chance for them to show that they support United and also a fair opportunity for them to see their beloved team live.

I have United mates who went to the match and wore the Malaysian jersey. A friend of mine even wore both (the Malaysian jersey inside the United jersey). I was planning to DIY a two half Malaysian + Man Utd jersey (but I canceled because I could find the right size for my malaysian jersey).

If you think that it's a shame then... fair enough, that's your point of view. Don't expect others to agree.... But don't make statements that you think you know what other people's opinion are. Like your statement that "they don't need you'. Who told you? What proof you have. Share the proof first that 'they don't need us' first before you stake your claim. Like what I normally do, when I say a jersey is fake or not, I publish photos as proof.. Only then people accept my opinion and judgement.. and also respect my views.



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post Nov 22 2009, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(schmeichel7 @ Nov 22 2009, 12:15 PM)
Why is Real Madrid interested on the Asian market? Why did Florentino Perez thinkered on the idea of moving the broadcast timeline to suit the Asian timezone?
No la... Real madrid used 80 million to buy Ronaldo just to exploit the Spanish market tongue.gif tongue.gif

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post Nov 22 2009, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(IcyDarling @ Nov 22 2009, 11:19 AM)
No la... Real madrid used 80 million to buy Ronaldo just to exploit the Spanish market  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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Well.. that was not my point. Even Real madrid realise that they need the fans from Asia. Why is realmadrid.com in english and chinese...


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QUOTE(KLshcoolkid @ Nov 22 2009, 01:22 AM)
mmm....cant you read R E A D, or shall others stick it on yer forehead? whats all these personal attacking and nonsense you trying hard to pull out? ok, just to make you satisfied, the statement 'selipar jepun local product' ..cant u see? read? do u understand how so-called mega-market works? and thats another issue. a piece of advice, dnt come out with personal attack/ remarks in discussion, it only tend you to be a phatetic loser and congratulations! you just called yerself a fooly proud ... dont have medal for you boy...
You talk like a complete moron, got problem understanding half of what you say. If you don't know how to write in English, then write in Bahasa lar.

By the way don't try to pretend you're a girl to get off easy (wear no panties in KLCC - wtf), everybody knows you are a stupid boy.
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post Nov 23 2009, 12:02 PM

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The TS absolutely a MORON who has no idea about what's football all about. Maybe he/she was forced to do a fellatio on some stinking caucasions on da first day of wearing his/her jersey.

Football nowadays are both BUSINESS and PASSION. More passion = more business = more $$$ = more likely to win trophy = fans more happy. Its WIN-WIN SITUATION which the stupid moron TS failed to realise. Why does this idiot wanna control on how others spend their $$$? If more such moron exist in our society, i bet we can start talking abt to live in a cave again.. thumbup.gif

Oh btw, some caucasians think that eating rice is plain stupid. So TS must stop eating rice from now onwards..

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post Nov 23 2009, 12:07 PM

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TS, u may see football fans in malaysia wearing EPL jersey everywhere and u can conclude that they are not patriotic. but if u went to the match between malaysia and man utd, even though the outer they wear man utd jersey, but when malaysia scored, they all cheered like that is no tomorrow.

yes, some hooligans in UK might laugh and call asian people idiot for wearing epl jersey and support epl team but bear in mind that they are quite extremist and racist. some of them even still despised black people for wearing their national jersey. how many times players like defoe, campbell and cole were jeered with monkey chant until FA had to tackle racist problem. it's no surprise if asian people were targeted also. but, not all are like that. i've been to Manchester once and wear the jersey. some of them greeted me with warm hospitality. even during the match i sat among unknown man utd supporters and they put their arms around me asking me to stand up and sing the song along with them. i might be lucky not to bump into hooligans but not all of them are like what TS mentioned.

TS, i know u have noble intention of reminding us of who we really are and the consequences of supporting foreign product. u said foreigners laugh at us because we cheer their team but we also did the same. we too laugh at foreigners for most of what they are doing. our country already face the effects of globalisation. foreign products are everywhere.

TS, like u've said, football in UK are like their religion. they would die for it. it's like war for them. it's their way of life. but not in malaysia. most of us like football as a game, beauty of the game, style of play, and togetherness when supporting ur team. no more than that. we don't have to be like them. their fans cannot see eye to eye or else hell break loose. but no problem here in malaysia. Kelantan fans can sit at the same table with Johor fans without busting each other face. we all only enjoy the game. we crave for beautiful football like ones that played in EPL. but during malaysia match, we all watch and support and often left with heartache. malaysia lost not because of the fans, but management and players. we give our support, going to the stadium and cheer like there's no tomorrow.
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Why dont you TS use your original account instead of duping? =X

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Honestly, I don't see why everyone is so concerned over his comments.

a) His is merely an opinion, one of many. Opinions are free which is why everyone is so willing to part with them.
b) Who cares if we're buying into commercialism? You reckon he doesn't buy greeting cards from hallmark? How about a Christmas tree from 1 Utama? Fact is that we have a right to decide what we want to spend on?
c) They don't give a shite about fans over here? Hmm I'm not convinced. I've been to Liverpool and spoken to fans over there over a couple of pints. It was the reverse for me. Those I met were impressed that I made the long journey over and that I knew my stuff. I can however emphathise with them given the number of OOTs around the world these days who don't feel history or knowledge of the club is important.

In the end who cares what others think? What matters is not what he says, it's what you think of what he said.
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in short, don't force a piece of meat that is not to everyone's taste into everyone's mouth and expect them to swallow it.

summary;

"one man's meat is some girls poison" smile.gif

get it?
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Hmmmm, just my 2 cents. Does the ts know about the corruption and mismanagement of the local football by the powers-that-be? I've seen my fair share of downs more than up of local football. I was there when the semi-pro league started - was an ardent Perak supporter. I was there when we won the gold medal in our own home turf in 1989. I was shattered and disillusioned when the corruption was exposed. I've personally heard tales of rampant match fixing from ex-players. I've heard of racism in the grass-root football levels. I'm with those who thinks that FAM needs a major revamp and a big kick up the arse. Until we sort out the problems, its hard to support the local football scene. Well, as for my personal experience, i've yet to encounter any problems with the British Liverpool supporters (Scousers) that i've met over the years.

Call me a fool or what nots, i'm still gonna support my foreign team - been doing so for over 20 years. As it is, my support for the local football scene is in the storage room until i see real progress in the revamp and rebuilding of the all levels of football in Malaysia.
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Yes, agree with you JonC. You know the funny thing is, we've changed like a dozen of national team coach, we've changed like hundreds of players since the glory days of 80's. We've changed a couple of team managers and even after the multiple team management and players change, our football still sucks. Funny thing is, the only 1 thing that has not changed is the FAM. The same guy or at least his son who's at the helm of FAM for the past 20 years or so. Don't they realise the problem is with FAM top guy and not the hundreds of people who's been part of the national football team be it coaches or players.

Im definitely not watching any local football till improvement is seen. People talk about how expensive it is to watch English football, be it flying to England or just the complaints about Astro increasing their subscription price. The way i see it, if they're playing good stuff, im enjoying the game and the thrills, i don't see a reason to complain. Even if it means saving up to fly to England to watch. Its the whole experience of watching a really good game, the atmosphere, the thrills when your team score or concede a goal. Is it worth putting in a couple of thousand of $, to me yes. My point here is, would i pay a whole lot of money less, say RM15 to watch a local game. Answer is, NO. Thing is, they're playing lousy football and you end up feeling like you wasted your time and the RM15 to watch bad football, there's no thrill and enjoyment, so its money wasted more than anything else.

To put it in another perspective, i'd rather pay RM50 to have a really really good meal than to pay RM5 for shite meal.




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i thought local football had no real support...until i went to the recent malaysia cup final...bloody packed everywhere.
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QUOTE(giotto @ Nov 23 2009, 04:30 PM)
Yes, agree with you JonC. You know the funny thing is, we've changed like a dozen of national team coach, we've changed like hundreds of players since the glory days of 80's. We've changed a couple of team managers and even after the multiple team management and players change, our football still sucks. Funny thing is, the only 1 thing that has not changed is the FAM. The same guy or at least his son who's at the helm of FAM for the past 20 years or so. Don't they realise the problem is with FAM top guy and not the hundreds of people who's been part of the national football team be it coaches or players.

Im definitely not watching any local football till improvement is seen. People talk about how expensive it is to watch English football, be it flying to England or just the complaints about Astro increasing their subscription price. The way i see it, if they're playing good stuff, im enjoying the game and the thrills, i don't see a reason to complain. Even if it means saving up to fly to England to watch. Its the whole experience of watching a really good game, the atmosphere, the thrills when your team score or concede a goal. Is it worth putting in a couple of thousand of $, to me yes.  My point here is, would i pay a whole lot of money less, say RM15 to watch a local game. Answer is, NO. Thing is, they're playing lousy football and you end up feeling like you wasted your time and the RM15 to watch bad football, there's no thrill and enjoyment, so its money wasted more than anything else.

To put it in another perspective, i'd rather pay RM50 to have a really really good meal than to pay RM5 for shite meal.
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you are wrong to judge local game "bad" football. i went to watched occasionally and it's quite entertaining. granted, it may not as entertaining as Astro's poison known as BPL but still... it's pretty good.

(national team is shite - no argument)

people tend to assume the typical malaysian league is shite.. my say is, try go to the stadium and watch before u say anything. the stadium may be empty and quite but the most important is the game itself. give the league a chance. it may grow on you.

rm10 you can chose any seat you like.. gud wat?
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Don't local matches clash with the EPL games on the telly? They usually play on weekends at about 845 pm am I right? I remember this becoz back when I was little I used to watch them play right after the 8 o clock news. Now, given the option of choosing between watching your favorite EPL team play or travelling to the stadium to support your local club, which would you choose? Slag my patriotism all you want but I know where I'll be come matchday.
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QUOTE(Hevrn @ Nov 23 2009, 08:59 PM)
Don't local matches clash with the EPL games on the telly? They usually play on weekends at about 845 pm am I right? I remember this becoz back when I was little I used to watch them play right after the 8 o clock news. Now, given the option of choosing between watching your favorite EPL team play or travelling to the stadium to support your local club, which would you choose? Slag my patriotism all you want but I know where I'll be come matchday.
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that's what TS would like to bring forth but somehow he messed up the word tongue.gif

liga super weekend match either on friday or saturday. rarely on sunday. i won't slag your patriotism but when there's intl break you should try and go watch. they start back on end January i think.
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err i think most of you guys are not getting to the root cause of the problem.

the original poster is saying that he got slacked off in UK because he is a foreigner wearing a 'foreign' jersey.

maybe is has nothing to do with the jersey and is purely a face problem
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QUOTE(FisshY @ Nov 23 2009, 11:25 PM)
err i think most of you guys are not getting to the root cause of the problem.

the original poster is saying that he got slacked off in UK because he is a foreigner wearing a 'foreign' jersey.

maybe is has nothing to do with the jersey and is purely a face problem
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maybe he was wearing Man United jersey walking around in Merseyside and get screwed laugh.gif
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lol really.. i got these type of bollocks from the local lads before..the old 'support you local team' tales..but this is the first time ive seen it coming out from mates on my side..and suprisingly i can see lotsa people here arent use to this "support your local team" agenda...its simple

am born and bred here in kl, but i refuse to support my home team..
i'd rather support the team who never knows my existence in this world

u can never understand the logic if ure not one of us sons..
and u dare telling me am stupid..

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