you don't have to be like them. implement some restraint and you should be fine. better still, implement some knowledge and facts with it. RM5000 cable will never sound 1000 times better than RM5 cable. you're just paying 1000 times more for less than 10% 20% improvement.

if you can't hear the surround from the ceiling then mount it on the wall. get a mounting bracket and fit it to the wall. tho i doubt you won't be able to hear the surround speakers if it's hanging from the ceiling.

pioneer htp-820sw is good enough for most beginner. but the performance is nothing to shout about. you would get better performance buying piece by piece. and the pioneer floorstander & speakers in that package ain't really good to begin with. the onkyo 330 have much better clarity tho you must cross the sub at 120-150Hz to cover the lack of bass from the satellite. and i have to say, the onkyo sat have higher distortion when driven at high volume. yeah you win some, you lose some.

i wouldn't call it better, but i find that the onkyo have smoother overall sound compared to the 820. the pioneer have more emphasis on treble which could compliment laid back systems better. clarity and detail are somewhat similar but the 820 have better surround effect. the onkyo can't really project the surround space as good as the pioneer.

my sofa seat located at the middle of living area, so no wall behind the sofa and it is walking area, that what i afraid of the speaker may hurt someone if it fall down...

u means 3300 or 330? about the cross u means the audio crossover? still learning here... as refer to the 3300's manual, frequency range of sub between 80-150hz and speaker between 80-20khz... so thought that 120-150hz can generate from sub and speaker right?

actually htp-820sw's ES3 speaker have any differences with todoroki speaker? as i know todoroki more for explosion which wasnt my taste... as checked the latest catalog of pioneer, seem the specification no different at all between ES3 and torodoki, so wondering the ES3 will have more clarity since it located at different category?

actually i looking at onkyo 308 previously, but all of onkyo required to get additional dock for iphone/idock and cost some money there... so i maybe rather invest it into 820 as it built in... hence quite difficult that to find good speakers with reasonable price to pair with 308... hence, i'm noob... so that why i go for htp-820sw...

330 meaning the skf 330f satellite. i'm not fond of the onkyo 3300 set as you're limited by the puny passive sub. and to top it off, it doesn't even have a preamp out for an active sub. so you're screwed if you have plans to upgrade. which you will in a few months time. or days if you happen to audit a friend's setup.

if you're afraid the surround speaker might fall down, then don't use a large, heavy speaker as surround. or don't buy some cheap and flimsy mounting bracket. whichever suits you.

i've written down my impression on the es3 in previous post. the torodoki ain't that far behind. get the cheap skf330 satellite, bring it over to a shop that have the torodoki/htp-820sw on demo and swap them with the puny satellite. change the crossover to 120Hz/150Hz and sit back and compare for yourself. if the puny satellite sound that much worse, can always throw them into the river on your way back. they cost that much.

but if you rate the ipod dock as an absolute essential, then by all means do get the pioneer. it's not a bad choice either.

seem 3300 out from my list as subwoofer no upgrade-able to active...

as may tended to relocate surround speaker in the future, that the reasons i choose 820sw which come with small surround speaker, smaller than 330 i think... actually i proposed my wife to get todoroki which is 100% same size, she commented that the design are fugly which same as what i thinking... rather pay few hundred buck for proper design... so maybe have the performance differences between ES3 and todoroki too?

previous post? u means Post #741? no managed to search ES3 around pioneer thread... hm... i dont have any skf330 on hand for testing and my store room full of junks, cant buy additional speaker for short term only... hence my wife no allowed my junks inside her store room in the future

the reason i required for USB or iphone dock to prevent my wife complain that the AV receiver is "downgrade" if compare to my current hifi which can support for USB now...

get 330f satellite without swoofer and save up for a proper sub from svs or rythmik. If budget concern then get speakers first, then sub last. Better than getting el cheapo lousy set and keep wasting money to upgrade when u check out your friends better sets and regret later. Imho all those htib cannot pakai one... unless u really dont mind. If new sets are too ex, then opt for good 2nd hand sets. Most audiophile members here will never get satisfied with what they have and keep upgrading their system eventhough to ohers it is already quite high end. You may end up with a good bargain.

This post has been edited by DannyOP: Feb 7 2011, 10:44 AM

actually i means HTP-820SW as HiTB as it come with packages, should for one of high-end HiTB

i also know tak-boleh-pakai HiTB below RM2k and no much differences with my current hifi, usually HiTB complete set selling at hypermarket for sure no enough to fulfill my requirements and difficult to upgrade too as i experienced with my current hifi... hence just look on the size & weight of player, i dont think small size but big power & more features... as my boss commented, he said that his tube amp weight almost 30kg and power consumption almost same with 1hp a/c...

Edit:
did another research about the speaker, seem there have some sort of "passive radiator", seem it look more a "dummy" driver, means no frequency generate from passive radiator but used to balance the internal air turbulence as refer from wiki... any more benefit about passive radiator? wondering why dont build smaller speaker since only have 3 active driver there...

This post has been edited by gkl83: Feb 7 2011, 01:37 PM

No such thing as high end hitb.. Reason is they are made to reduce cost. Just like saying high end proton... Same difference. Av stuff can even go into 7 figures, cost more than some houses. If u want a decent setup min recommendation is an av amp with satelite speakers if space is an issue.

actually space wasnt the major issues for me...
i required to relocate some of home appliances and reserve the space for floor stander, still headache about the relocation...
hence the eye visual issues that floor stander paired with my 32" LCD and subwoofer almost the same size with it...
afraid may end up i fork out additional funds upgrade to 42"/60" next year...

Thanks bro.....mind sharing which shop?

i'm interested on speaker stand too... what is the height & weight of the speaker stand?

i am another person, stumble upon this thread looking for speaker stand.
i need to mount TSS-500 speaker - a conventional one will do

thanks

ah, quick question. anyone here use their Astro Byond and sync with their amp? if this even remotely possible ? just want to find out from who has done this before.

thank you in advance.

i did a fast audition 2 channel stereo between
onkyo 508 + MS carnial set + good cable
Pioneer 520 + todoroki set + stock cable
with same CD music...

508 + MS: music quality quite adequate, vocal and bass quite balance, impressed for this setup...
later i try 520 + todoroki, the bass damm deep even though without subwoofer and cant heard the vocal clearly too, my ear felt a bit unwell bcos of the deep bass from front speaker only...

wondering will the amp (508 & 520) & cable (stock & good) made the huge differences?
or what i heard from audition is the real differences between MS carnival and todoroki?

This post has been edited by gkl83: Feb 10 2011, 05:10 PM

cabling wouldn't made as much difference as changing the amp.
the onkyo 508 although is much smoother than the pioneer 520 (the pioneer is more detailed), the torodoki is far worse than the MS carnival didn't have as much clarity as the MS carnival.

MS speakers generally have a smooth and laid back signature. do try the carnival with the pioneer amp next time. they could compliment each other better.
style laser should have both the carnival and pioneer on demo.

Hi bro, i bought the speaker stand at jalan pasar, after going to all the shop there twice lol finally found it selling only in one shop, i think the shop name is "Darson Electronics". This shop located in the new building at jalan pasar, inside this building have a lot of small shop but darson electronic is at the back. ask them for small speaker stand and they will show you.

Some comments on the speaker stand, for infinity surround speaker the screw seems to be the right size but the screw shape is rather odd as it shaped is not round but yet "oblong" shape. So what i did is i just drill the hole and make it round so that the original pioneer speaker would fit. maybe some of you are able to find this "oblong" shape screw as I'm not so experience i just drill it

hope this is helps..

i did try at style laser just now... but 520 located at the groud open area, quite shame if asked to move 520 to 1st floor to test with carnival... chinese young guy (Lee as believe) said that the 508 is almost same quality with 520/820... so nothing i can comments much as he is the expertise in this field...

anyway, no understand for this statement "the torodoki is far worse than the MS carnival didn't have as much clarity as the MS carnival"... u means have pros and cons between both? as tested carnival have more clarity (maybe bcos of 508?) compare with todoroki, but todoroki more for louness and bass (wasnt my taste)... but of cos over my budget seriouly with pair with carnival... need few months saving from now...

This post has been edited by gkl83: Feb 10 2011, 05:45 PM

it's quite easy to move the amp upstairs. you should have asked them to demo the carnival with the pioneer. it won't take more than 15 minutes to move it upstairs.

what i meant was, torodoki floorstander sucks. it didn't have as much clarity as other proper hifi speakers. it lacks detail and sounds muddy across the freq range. the bass as you've said it, is deep. but i have to say that it's not controlled and sounds more like a boom boom box.

the pioneer have more detail and treble emphasis compared to the onkyo, and the MS speakers generally are laid back and smooth. so the marriage of the carnival and pioneer maybe will sound better. tho i wouldn't know as i've never heard the carnival before. a suggestion for you to test it out before buying.

quite agreed, i can feel like the sound quality look alike karaoke's speaker quality... my ear quite uncomfortable on the bass...
hence may no suitable for HT too as no good vocal from speaker...

i think carnival setup most probably confirmed, i need clarity more than boom... i will try to request for another 520 + carnival testing before purchase and will look around Desa HT kepong for similiar audition setup... hopefully the similiar setup is ready for demo at Desa HT kepong without creating the hassle as i disklike create hassle but no busines deal with them...

This post has been edited by gkl83: Feb 10 2011, 06:19 PM

seem PSB smaller, lighter & cheaper offering by A&L...
wondering how good is the PSB speaker compare to MS carnival...

anyone get to use USB thumb drive on their Pioneer AVR??

i'm using VSX1019 and when i plug in a USB drive, it says ERROR - is there sumthing i must do?

last time used to use iphone with it...after upgrade to OS4.1 the music can only play for 1 minute or so...after that i wont play anymore..

heard OS4.2 may be able to solve the problem. dunno yet