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post Nov 2 2009, 11:37 PM

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what poison could cost 7k?

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lucky i left my wallet at home... hahahaha
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post Nov 2 2009, 11:39 PM

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bro cheeft, buy a PNS or WX1... the alpha body might not freeze, but the lens sure frozen...

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post Nov 2 2009, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(amadeo @ Nov 2 2009, 11:42 PM)
.... including the cameraman laugh.gif
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yea inculding the cameraman hahahaha, maybe sony should be the first company that should come out clothing for thier DSLR, wont that be cool? like.no.other
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post Nov 3 2009, 12:13 AM

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let make a theme for the week? for this week, we post all "WATER" theme? alright?

naaa i think is a silly idea. sad.gif

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post Nov 3 2009, 01:42 AM

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QUOTE(achew @ Nov 3 2009, 12:17 AM)
ok..water =D

i'll take any theme..lol..at least got something to think..
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so,... do u still wan have a go on water theme? (waterfall, sea, underwater, water droplet, rain)

QUOTE(shukrie @ Nov 3 2009, 12:49 AM)
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fuuyoo! salute... very nice, (better if u can WL Flash)

QUOTE(gizmo_pony @ Nov 3 2009, 12:56 AM)
Q : All pictures taken by sony alpha have Adobe RGB color space ? Correct if I am wrong. I don't quite understand color profiles, spaces, etc. Thanks in advance =)
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my opinion, dont bother, nobody will know when they look at ur photo anyway. its not like, when i see ur pic, "oh i know, he is using sRGB, limiting the constrast to 244level, saturation of 24bit, blah blah blah" even i am a graphic editor, i dont bother it, because the printer print CMYK, not adobeRGB or sRGB. my 2 cent
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post Nov 3 2009, 02:01 AM

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fung yun 2 ahhhhhhh teaser of the upcoming fung yun 2
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post Nov 3 2009, 02:51 AM

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anyone bringing laptop with webcam to the TT? can i join u guys with webcam?
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post Nov 3 2009, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(lencent @ Nov 3 2009, 01:33 PM)
getting my first dslr soon, jumping with joy now^^ it is a used a300 with kit lens. all sifu please take care of me xD
anyway, are there any difference between expensive (hoya) and cheapo (Octopus) CPL filter? and is 4gb enough for a 5 days trip?

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5 day trip, u need recharge ur batt at least 5 times, and each time is about 500 pic taken. 4gb is enough for 1.2k jpeg, NOT ENOUGH. lol... but u can always switch to medium size (5mp) and use it, because travel, u dont really need the 10mp. recently, i been shooting with 5mp only(2mp is required for developing(printing) and 2mp is about FullHD size)... coz my pc lag when edit 10mp pic.
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post Nov 3 2009, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(5564321 @ Nov 3 2009, 06:50 PM)
4 GB is never enough for me, can fill up the card like in 3-4 hours of shooting. Thinking of getting battery grip because the flash light+lambency attached to body feels very unbalanced but yet undecided due to future upgrade of body.
How much is the grip for A200 now?
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4gb? u shoot raw? even with jpeg, ur battery dont last that much to fill the card iether. smile.gif

vgrip, buy only. but with the A550 poison so strong, and buying a vgrip now only will loose it value much later. better wait till u prepare to upgrade to A550 or A7x0...
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post Nov 3 2009, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(Izwan898 @ Nov 3 2009, 08:42 PM)
Currently looking for a cheap flash for my a350...any recommendation guys?
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u only have 2 option. F42 or F58. ignore the rest. everyone here will tell u, NO REGRETS.
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post Nov 3 2009, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(littleway @ Nov 3 2009, 09:59 PM)
I was considering the same question... My Tamron hunts terribly in low light condition and the picture is very soft. Hence it doesn't give me any advantage of shooting at F/2.8 in low light. However it is sharp in well lighted situation. On the other hand, SAL16105 has a better range compared to Tamron 17-50. Really hard to justify the worthiness of selling the Tamron in order to get SAL16105. sad.gif
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1. A300 and brothers, doesnt has a AF illuminator, they use the pop up as AF assist.
2. attach ur flash, to use the build in AF illuminator. your tamron Will Not Hunt Anymore.

3. F2.8 advantage is not before shutter release, the advantage is During shuttle release. meaning, with 16105, F5.6, shooting the same subject with natural light, gives u 1/5ss, while the F2.8 give u a decent 1/25ss which prompt to less motionblur. F2.8 is like bumping iso to 1600 on F5.6 with less noise.

4. tammy 1750, well, Practically, its for indoor use. not outdoor with wide ground. even i rate 55200 is better then 16-105 for outdoor street shooting. (my opinion, but many prefer 16105)
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post Nov 3 2009, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(Sp00kY @ Nov 3 2009, 10:39 PM)
the advantage of having a brighter aperture does help before shutter release la..it helps in AF...
f/2.8 focuses faster than f/3.5 ....because it allows more light

if im not mistaken, ur lens will open at its max aperture (brightest, f/2.8 for 1750 and /f/3.5 for 16105) before the shutter...

correct me if im wrong....
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u are kinda wrong and right at the same time, i am assuming as, not everyone is using A700 with F2.8 AF sensor. if u are A700, yes it helps the focusing more accurate, not faster, not improve in hunt*(hunt as it will still miss under low light + AF illuminator OFF) but A700 Have AF illuminator for AF assist, thus, well, A700 is like having the right key for night shooting, AF assist +F2.8 sensor.

well, u try this, take ur 1870 kit lens, wide, set to 3.5 and shuttle release, and pls watch as they turn the apperture down to F3.5 to snap, yes, turn down. meaning at normal, ur apperture is not at 3.5, it wwwiiiiddeerrrrr smile.gif try it with 50mm F1.4, when wide open, it is not F1.4.... i think it's 1.2 ehem L lens?!?!!?

assuming not everyone owns A700, and use A300 as key model, and shooting in natural light (no flash, no external flash attach.)
like i say, not before shutter release. it does not help at all in AF. what i mean during is that, it is resposible for the shutter speed gain VS F5.6. the one that give the AI decision to release the at what shuttle speed.. shutter speed gain is a major difference.

test 16105, at 50mm F5.6 shoot subject 10 meter away,

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test 1750, at 50mm F2.8 shoot subject 10 meter away...

those who owns tammy would really really know the answer and differences.

and even better is, when, very very very malang, ur flash battery dead. F2.8 iso 800/1600 on A300 still can let u continue ur wedding/event job compare to a F5.6

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post Nov 3 2009, 11:00 PM

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ronnie, does that apply to sony AF sensor?


*edit: if u say, F2.8 and compare to a AF illuminator? i'd say the illuminator helps more.

btw, the A550 has much improved sensor, it can AF better in darker area vs A300 (as both are without AF illuminator)

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post Nov 3 2009, 11:12 PM

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yea, but, each sony model has diff set of sensor design. A700 has F2.8+AF illuminator. A300 has so called F5.6 sensor + pop up as AF assist, and when u popup for assist, it will sure fire when u release. and many discussion over and over, A300 doesnt not benefit from F2.8 wink.gif

and summore our sony sensor design, was passing through a mirror (that mirror the image upwards into the OVF) onto another mirror behind the main mirror, mirroring down into the bottom, where the sensor is locates, which is hell of dark area. but first, the amount of light going into the sensor area, is already limited by the tiny hold of the main mirror. me and my bad english... can i write in korean? its easier for me to explain that way...

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dear ronnie, only A700, 850 and 900 has the dedicated F2.8 sensor smile.gif while the others are using common sensor, which wont benefit from F2.8 wink.gif
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post Nov 3 2009, 11:30 PM

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Nov 3 2009, 11:24 PM)
A700+850+900 will focus faster better and accurate than A200 with the same lens with f/2.8
Is the above true?
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hehehehe, even 550 doesnt have the F2.8 sensor, but with the new design of AF system, they are on par with A700 at night time, but still wont be as accurate as a dedecate F2.8 sensor

Faster, is lens depending, how long the focus screw, build in SAM or SSM or manual (manual is u never get to focus on ur subject.... rclxub.gif )

it's due to F2.8 as we know, the DOF is shallow, thus, accuracy is another issue VS able to hunt or not.

on A200/300, it may able to hunt at F2.8, tit teett... but,... the next question is, is it accurate? those with A200/300 with 1750 F2.8, will sure tell, 50% accurate, 50% not accurate. but try attack ur flash gun F42 and F58, with built in AF illuminator, the accuracy increase slighty, or much better.


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Added on November 3, 2009, 11:50 pmand worst part is, the main mirror only allows like 30% of light through only, so imagine u shoot at low light, how suffering is the sensor trying to get a decent focus? smile.gif

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post Nov 4 2009, 12:06 AM

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Attachhhhhhhhh LOL hahahaahahahahahaha


Added on November 4, 2009, 12:07 amalso the reason why we keep insisting anyone who is thinking about getting 3rd party flash, Get F42 or F58, they have better AI, WL flash, AF Illuminator.

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post Nov 4 2009, 12:18 AM

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QUOTE(Sp00kY @ Nov 3 2009, 11:59 PM)
this is what i understand :
"A faster lens (wider max aperture) allows more light into the camera and gives the AF system more light to work with, so a faster lens will allow better AF performance when light levels get low enough to start effecting the AF speed"
quoted from someone:)


Added on November 3, 2009, 11:59 pman f2.8 lens allows twice the light as an f4, and an f4 allows twice that of an f5.6
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Speed depends on SAM, SSM, AF screw length. not how much light.

focus hunt depend on the contrast of image (thts why carl ziess has better focus at night due to it boost eh contrast of subject to focus on) (depends on light)

focus hunt accuracy depend of AF sensor design, like F2.8 sensor* i need to eleborate more, but i have difficulties to explain in english. the shape of the diod/sensor of the sensor will decide the 'pattern' it will phase detect. (depends on focus hunt above, indirectly, related to light)

all 3 added up = performance rating.

but how much a 2.8 light will affect it? not forgetting the mirror cuts off 70% of the light. F2.8 may sound double to F5.6, BUT, not forgetting our lens are wide open all time when attach, thus it could be F3.5, and 2.8 is not double of light of F3.5.. it's about 30% more only.
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QUOTE(AlphaBeta @ Nov 4 2009, 12:13 AM)
ieR, have ur 1750 ever hunted in lowlight although f58 is attacked? tongue.gif
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yes, subject futher then 10 metre. coz the AF illu cant shine that far... biggrin.gif

but like we say, photography is not about the machine, but the person behind the machine.

so, let us be smart, try to focus on bright/lightsource, which is in the same focus zone of our subject. not rely on the machine. right? innovative.
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QUOTE(littleway @ Nov 4 2009, 12:15 AM)
Hmm... yes the F/2.8 enable us to shoot in faster shutter speed, and in that case it reduces motion blur. However that still doesn't produce a sharp image, unless the Tamron manage to focus in time and get it right for that very moment. Else the benefits of shutter speed still not very helpful, in my case. Not sure if AF Assist really accurate for 3rd party lens, as it mis-focused a few times. Perhaps I didn't use the right AF mode and caused the lens to hunts more.

I haven't tried 16-105 yet, but looking at the range, it offers a pretty wide range at the beginning and decent zoom at the other end (which I plan to use it as potraits). For sure in terms of sharpness, Tamron 17-50 would offers its sweet spot at bigger aperture compared to 16-105. I'm just wondering if 16-105 can do the similar job on smaller aperture with the help of Cobra.
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trust me, it get worst with 16105 at F5.6 vs any F2.8 lens at natural light shooting


16-105, at 105 F5.6 the bokeh is as good(my opinion is better) then 50 F2.8
with a cobra, every lens is cantik.

*repeat from old post. "and even better is, when, very very very malang, ur flash battery dead. F2.8 iso 800/1600 on A300 still can let u continue ur wedding/event job compare to a F5.6"

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