Me and 2 of my friends are now 24 and we still don't have / never had a gf before. Do you guys/girls think this could be a problem or do we still have lots of chances in the future? According to some people, girls nowadays are starting relationships early, around during school days 16-18 age and by the time we, 24 -25 age meet them in their 21-24, they're already taken and are in a stable relationship. Do you guys/girls think this is true?

Some girls commented that the 3 of us are a group of too 'husband-looking' guys and girls at 20s do not like to go out with us because we don't like parties/clubbing that much. We are those honest types of guys where, in the outside might look boring (because we dress normal and not very attractive) and girls say that we might get our love only around 30s because that's when girls finally find guys with our character to secure a future. What do you girls/guys think on this issue?

Do give me some feedback on this.

But we don't like clubbing at all. I don't know if what I heard is true but according to a lot of girls, they say that they like playful guys more in their 20s and that's why we're still eating 'white-fruit'. However my main concern is, is it too late for guys at 24 to begin having first loves and all or we don't even get chances because girls at these times should already being taken?

From what experiences we got, all attached girls stay stable to their current bf no matter how not right they are. One of my friends that I mentioned, got too close to a girl and when he showed intention of furthering, the girl immediately told her bf about it and the bf came and told him off. How sad he was, looking at how both of them are suitable with each other. This makes me think that getting girls nowadays is a game of first come first served.

And I seriously doubt a taken/attached girl will wait for a Mr Right. I myself tried to see see if some of my female friends that are taken is interested in me or not, and the result was, eventhough their bf might not be the right one, they are satisfied from whom they chose and might not choose again in a short period.

Yeah, according to some surveys I read of Malaysian/Singaporean girls and guys and they are hitting on me and my friends hard.

One survey said that girls today are normally taken by age 18 so school is the only probable place a guy can score first love. - We're out already long time

Another said that girls often choose playful guys during their early 20s and when they are done playing, they might find homey guys for future plans. - This is so hurting me

One more said that it is impossible to hit on attached girls because girls are normally true to their relationships. They will never betray their partner even if the partner is not their Mr. Right. They will wait for their other halves to change and they shape them to what they deem fit them at that point of time. - So saddening, since I always had crush on attached girls.

And the above are so true looking at current conditions now, and I am feeling worried because most people asked me, "What? You're looking for first love now? You must be joking, you should had a couple in school days already".

Well, this is what a lot girls are saying. In their 20s, they like guys who can teman them to go clubs/pubs and bla bla so I am feeling the pinch already.

It's not that we don't go out and meet girls. We do. In college, I get to meet girls that I liked but what they said hurt me. One of them ignored me when I showed small signs of advancements. I tried to talk to her and she just doesn't respond. Another one is even worse, saying that I am a boring guy to begin with because I don't go to clubs and I never went to interesting places like discos and pubs. She even went to gay bars before.

No, they weren't even considered hot chicks. They got close to me as friends and I tried to see whether if there's an opening for me. These words came out and I was like, WTH, a homey-guy is now left behind in chasing girls? A guy who sleeps mostly at 11pm/12am at nite is not considered as eligible bachelor anymore? This is just sick.

No la. They just said that going to clubs, discos and pubs are fun but to me, those places are just plain noisy. They said they can dance and release their stress there and I told them no, I get more stressful there and they began to despise me as a non-clubber.

True but however the homey girls I met were the taken ones. That left me no choices at all. The homey girls that I liked were normally very true to their bfs and one even said that she and the bf mengkaji for sometime, around a year before starting an official relationship.

She said she and her bf also first timer, and they waited for some time to understand each other fully like a year only they started as official couple. This girl is actually a good girl and homey type but I was late.

Well, not every but around 90% girls at 20+ age seems to be like this. I did meet with girls who doesn't like clubbing but then again, these girls are too overly homey. Asking them out for lunch before classes is like impossible.

And is there a probability to find one so perfect? I am still searching but till now, I never met a girl in between like this but if I could, I might try provided she's not taken, since my record on taken girls, failed 100%.

It's not like I am not enjoying this life. My parents are always saying that when I get out to work, I'll surely find the right one but friends out there are saying the opposite. Who to believe? I myself am really afraid that I may end up like a single poor old man.

Who says 'tame' guys will have so big a collection of porn stuffs? I am a tame guy and I seldom watch any.

As for spanaring, I don't think that works for a couple of reasons:
1) If you can spanar a girl from one guy, who knows someone else might come spanar her from you again later?
2) Most girls don't like a guy friend to spanar her from their bfs. Once they notice something is wrong with your behaviour, they will immediately cut contact from you and it's dangerous.
3) Spanaring is not ethical. Who knows the girl might be having problems with the guy and the guy is on his way to recovery and there you go snatching away what he's trying to fix. I pity the guy because the same incident might happen to me, it's like a cycle.

That's what I am trying to raise her. As I said, girls in 20s like playful girls. After playing enough, they settle down for guys like us but that time, their condition is already being 'wan chan' or 'zar kon zar cheng', so we're like the backbenchers who actually are more dependable than those front line players. Just that we don't have any ways to show off what we're good at, we can't become the early front liners.

I totally agree with u on the slept with how many guys already, and that's why I am worried I will just be a backbencher and nothing more.

That would mean when girls settle down as wives, they have already been 'played' with by many guys and this is something that bothers me a little.

And I would be one of the less luckier ones I presume as I never even get to properly enter into a relationship with one. Hmm, I feel love is hard.

I see that people here are perceiving that never had a relationship till now (age 24) is nothing serious. You know what those non-playing girls told me? They said by the time I meet a right girl and the girl doesn't get serious, I'll be hurt bad because the clock is ticking. They said I won't be that hurt if that happened when I was 18-20 because at that time, it's still for experience. And another point they raised is that because not having any love experiences till now, it is hard for a person like me to understand what my right girl really wants. Even if I get her, she won't stay with me for long because I don't have the knowledge and experience to keep her happy.

However, knowing that this is the problem, I can't go all out to fix it. I tried to get to know girls around me but they just ignore me (don't want to talk more than 2 sentences with me) because they already have a first impression that I am a homey geek. Their first impression on how I look and dress already implanted and they won't try and change it because they think what they perceive is correct. How I wish girls would slow down and come understand me better.

Number 1, I did make friends with girls that look like a homey geek in first impression. They are really really geeky to the extent that nothing can separate them from their studies and storybooks. I tried calling them out, and you know what? FAIL

Number 2, Even girls that are homey and geeky actually have a wild side. I remember once, one my aforementioned friend asked a geeky homey girl to a picnic at a nice scenery park for relaxation and for some dialogue chances. The girl told my friend off saying it was boring and that his ideas suck. And I thought homey girls would like to go relaxing places like picnic and guess what, wrong deal again.

Number 3, Girls nowadays like to pin everything on first impression, especially looks. Even $$$ comes second. The same homey girl above told my friend about a new leng zai that got transferred to their class and my friend nearly fainted. The girl was so dreamy that he can't believe his eyes that the homey girl is actually crush-ing on a handsome guy with gold and standing hair and a pin on his nose.

Number 4, I can honestly say that balls doesn't really matter nowadays in getting girls. I tried asking a homey girl out just for tea for the 2nd time after the first, and guess what NO. Another handsome guy comes, and yes.