Hopefully you're right in this because I sometimes feel lonely when I see my other friends cuddling with their gfs and I am sitting alone.

As for the 4 reasons, they are not excuses. Try being a homey geek for 24 years and you'll understand what I mean, it's like I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't go out late at night, I don't club, I don't dye my hair. Girls at 20s look down on guys like that.

Well, at least you were that kind of guy before. I never being such a kind of guy and girls think that I am *****.

Well that's what I always think too but I don't know why some girls like to think that a man's manliness is based on how bad he went during his 20s. I don't like how they view guys that way but there's no way for me to alter their perspective.

This sounds right except for wanking with the left hand thing. I don't wank or whatever you call it. Although a single and solitary life maybe be a bit lonely but I can still enjoy my hobbies for now.

Although I know wanking has the good side, I don't like doing it. If a girl wants to do it for me, fine, if not, no self servicing myself. I am too geeky and homey and that's why girls don't like me. Sad

You know what. You just took something out of my mouth, in this case fingers. Another friend who is still single went to clubbing a few times. He came back to tell us how good it is in clubs, the girls you meet, the eye candies you get and the girls socialising you can get into. He is currently forcing us to go clubbing once in a while for experience sake, saying that Quattro is a good place to start. We all disagreed but he kept telling us bull shyt about where else can we meet girls if we don't go there. It's not like in libraries or any shopping mall we maybe so lucky to bump into one. He added that when you're on a little alcohol, we might get to say something that may impress the girls there, but I don't like the way he sound. He says that even if he can get one there and get laid, it's fine with him.

I don't agree with this at all. I don't get laid by a certain hottie just because she wears a little lesser than 6 inches and is running around the club 'letting 1/2 a goal' to men there. Seriously, even though I can't find any girls outside does that mean I need to really go to such places and meet up with girls that "I don't really know them"? He even said that clubbing isn't that as bad as we thought and we needed to adjust the mindset that clubbing is not all about bad guys and girls but even good girls frequent there (He seriously thinks so!!!!). When we said we don't like to drink, he will tell us that we are stupid since we will be drinking when we go out to perform business deals or work related stuffs, why not train up now?

Well, a no is a no but I don't know what you guys think but why do I even have to drink now when I don't need to. I still need to keep my liver a live. better if it can hold till the day I am gone. Social drinking is something I don't agree at all and bah, it's his life, not mine.

True but I don't understand why my other friend acts like this. He always say the same things about going out to meet girls and if not we won't meet any and will turn gay. What is this all about? Clubs, pubs and what so not are only places we can meet girls? Oh please. He's also very proud of being the first among us to have gone clubbing and seen the eye candies that are available there and is always trying to make us go, saying that we won't leave when we go in. Though, his circle of female friends tend to be a little strange. He likes to drink heavy alcohol and he got a circle of female friends that enjoys alcohol too. Strangely, even the girl is attached to someone, the girl dares to go and drink with him alone.

Well, I think he is very despo already because he got hurt in love one very deep incident. He was actually fighting over another guy for a girl whom he knew first, at the end of the day, the other guy got the girl. The reason the girl gave to one of my friend's female friend was that my friend lacked the husbandry feel in him. During his pursue of this girl, he was actually sweet msging and flirting around with his facebook female friends. We told him not to but he said, we're just friends and we're just communicating like what a friend should but, it's not actually the case. 5 - 10 minutes after a photo of one of his female friends got posted, he will be first to comment and I don't see how this looks like a friend to friend way of communication.

I understand what you mean and I know what is the priority in my life. There's just one tinsy little problem. I can't get off my lonely and incomplete feeling alone. Although I am happy with my hobby and stuffs, I still hoped that someone would be always there to listen to whatever I say and would be there to comfort me whenever I need comforting and vice versa.

You're making it sound like I am super despo. Not like that la. I am already happy if girls can open up and talk to me, and know me more, not just the surface.

Not shy, Not Low Self Esteem but girls don't like to talk with me. Don't know why, after a while, if they sense I got intention to chase them, they evade me or ignore me. SIGH!

My looks is average la. Not to say very yeung sui but around 4-5/10 la.

Well, like normal friends when I meet the girl in college or sth, I'll just say 'hi' or 'good morning' and then will go to "how's ur day?" and bla bla. After a while I will tend to ask a lot about them and of course, the killer question is always "Do you have a bf already?". I always wait till knowing that girl a couple of weeks or so only I ask but still, this question often kills their interest on me for some reason. I already tried asking in a very indirect way like "What do you do when you're free? Go pak toh with bf?" kind of way but it's still not working.

Hmm, interesting. Someone actually is telling me to worry about not having a gf till now. And someone is even telling me that looks are now important. Where did all the quotes like "be yourself and be natural", "even with awful looks, girls see your personality" and "looks is not everything" go? Seems like, you are addressing pretty good points. As I thought, a handsome fella without grooming vs a normal looking fella with full grooming, the handsome fella will always WIN anytime. This I have seen many times. I tried making myself look good a few times in college but no one realised me. The girls didn't even look at me but still focused on the handsome fella. LOL.

Not all guys without a gf at 20s are gay. They can be very straight guys that watch straight porn everyday.

You think I didn't try that before meh? One of my female friends got a 1 yr younger sister that is looking for a good guy. When I said, intro me to her, my friend said, no. She said I am too naive, too honest and too good for her sister, and her sister doesn't like guys without any bits of badness/evil in them. She said, if she wasn't attached she might take me for a try, just for the sake of going out with a no-badness, no-evil guy. Just a trial, SHE SAID!

How come there isn't any girl that answers this thread asking me for contact number and MSN so that she and me can chat? I thought, there might be one or two girls saying that because I think there might be some single and lonely females out there as well.

R u sure you're point is agreeable? Almost everyone says I am too young and is asking me to take things slow and easy and you're here making me feeling worse and more worried because of what you commented and how it totally contradicts the other ones.

I am a kind stranger

Oh so someone is telling me that in Malaysia, guys are actually more than girls? I thought girls was more in the beginning but this doesn't seem the case. Imagine 1.07 Guy VS 1 Girl, and at least 7/10 girls are materialistic, that leaves SO LITTLE for me to choose.