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darklight79
post Sep 17 2009, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(tineagle @ Sep 17 2009, 12:06 PM)
Let your body recover first

Alternatively, you could go light and do high rep sets to get the blood pumping into the muscles and help your muscles repair and adapt to resistance training before going heavy or doing that you normally did 8 months back.
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Yes. That's right. Moderate weight, moderately high reps.
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post Sep 18 2009, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(cubix @ Sep 18 2009, 10:43 AM)
is it ok to add creatine and glutamine together with protein and drink them at one go?
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Yes.
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post Sep 18 2009, 07:58 PM

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QUOTE(Kmaru @ Sep 18 2009, 03:25 PM)
Dude... Pls, dont judge people because their body is so ripped and you have to say that they take steroid... come on... I bet if Noel can make his body as condition as people competing I bet every 1 gonna say he juice up..

The key to look bigger and massive is to be in a great condition.. Conditioning will make you look bigger than the weight you are...
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Wow... cool bro. Florian didn't mean it that way. Will you relax? Lol, maybe the fasting is making you in a testy mood.
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post Sep 18 2009, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(Kmaru @ Sep 18 2009, 08:50 PM)
sorry,,, didnt mean too...


Added on September 18, 2009, 8:50 pm

hehe... my bad... might be eating to much instead of not eating..
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Lol. Chill, bet you're happy puasa month is almost over. Fasting can be taxing on the system.
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post Mar 17 2010, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(gtoforce @ Mar 16 2010, 06:03 PM)
dudes
i wanna know what does zero carb diet really mean
i mean, kalau zero carb and then go gym, i thought even milk + protein (or just protein shake with water is already carb)
im down to my last 2 weeks of cutting but never really tried zero carb
instead i eat rationally and cardio like hell

any ideas?
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I've been on zero carbs the past 4 months. That is exactly how i lost 14 kilos total yet i kept my protein intake high which caused continuous gains in strength and muscle mass coming. It's not as hard as you think it is, but it isn't a cakewalk either. Most of my "carb" sources came from apples, cabbages, broc, cauliflowers, etc. You get the idea.

And i didn't do cardio. =)
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post Mar 17 2010, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(jamis @ Mar 17 2010, 11:54 AM)
Darkie, then hows ur breakfast, preworkout and postworkout meal like?
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10 egg whites, one apple

10 egg whites, one apple

post is normal dinner with veg replacing rice.
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post Mar 17 2010, 07:54 PM

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QUOTE(-Dan @ Mar 17 2010, 03:50 PM)
Question, do you cook your eggs or d'you gulp them down raw?
On another note, on the topic of stamina and cold drinks. My take on it is that cold drinks do not affect your stamina adversely, though I've got a friend who is adamant in believing drinking cold beverages will ruin your stamina. How would I explain to him how/why cold drinks don't affect your stamina. Or if I'm mistaken and he's right, what's the explanation for cold drinks affecting stamina as he doesn't have an explanation for his claims either. Just trying to understand this particular topic.
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Cook it, hard boiled. I like it hard. 2 yolks at night before bed.

Cold drinks don't affect stamina or digestion and all that shit. Don't believe anything bro.

QUOTE(david890701 @ Mar 17 2010, 04:29 PM)
eat more egg whites like darklight. 10 eggs are only RM3.50. considered cheap smile.gif I order chicken breast (only) from chicken rice shop, RM 5, quite big portion .
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Yeah, cheap. I sometimes hit up to 40 eggs a day if i'm too lazy to go out and buy steak or salmon.

So I visited Terry Gallyot today. It was nice, we caught up, chatted, discussed training, tuned up my training, supplement timing, etc had post workout meal with him. Awesome guy, i feel a lil stronger everytime i train there. Lol, must be his aura or something.
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post Mar 17 2010, 09:06 PM

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QUOTE(jamis @ Mar 17 2010, 08:47 PM)
I Poach it, easy to take and time saving.

I tried hard boiled and scramble before, 6 eggs is just too much for me in solid form. I feel like puking while finishing the last half potion  rclxub.gif but now i m on my cutting phase, so i have cut out the yoke too atm  tongue.gif
Darkie have a very nice point about egg yoke on prebed, those fat are awesome for the whole night fasting.
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Sometimes we have no choice. A bodybuilder cannot always eat for taste, we have to eat for function.
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post Mar 18 2010, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(Black Judy @ Mar 18 2010, 01:05 AM)
guys, wont eating too much eggs cause a high colesterol level in our diet? I wonder is it harmful if i eat too much eggs everyday.(more than 10)
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Whites. And Terry said nothing wrong with eating even 4-5 yolks a day. They have high HDL.

QUOTE(pedro @ Mar 18 2010, 05:49 AM)
It is because of the high protein diet.

Cholesterol also not that great, HDL too low and LDL too high.
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Then you need to reassess your diet. And you're also getting the wrong idea. What has any of this got to do with the liver? Kidneys are the first to go.
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post Mar 18 2010, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(pedro @ Mar 18 2010, 12:25 PM)
@tineagle

Any lab should be able to do it EX Pathlab,Biolife

Cost me Rm69

@Darkie

I already modified my diet,now no more lamb,only lean meat and fish.

My kidneys are fine except that Uric acid level is too low at 0.15 mmol/L

Can elaborate plz?
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You worry too much. Seriously. When i was with Terry yesterday, he mentioned that young bodybuilders are too caught up in the smallest things without using basic common sense. I can go on all day explaining redundant stuff about uric acid excess causing gout or hyperuricemia and its treatment, etc but you're already on lean meat and fish what's the problem?

I'm sure from your posts you don't have family history of gout else you'd most likely be mentioning it here before that.


You should be worried if uric acid levels are too high, not low. So just shut up and train brother. =)
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post Mar 19 2010, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(Desvaro @ Mar 18 2010, 11:44 PM)


Again, sorry for going off topic, this is the BB thread after all.
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You have a point yet no one will fault you for it. The forum's getting messy. There should be a separate powerlifting/strength thread. Newbies will get confused. The lines between bodybuilding and powerlifting are getting blurry to a beginner. Maybe one of you should start one. Even at bb.com there are separate threads for this.
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post Mar 19 2010, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(shanecross @ Mar 19 2010, 10:28 AM)
Cheers.

QUOTE(angrydog @ Mar 19 2010, 04:30 PM)
PSA:  Getting sick and not eating/sleeping enough is a great way to cut up (my abs have become visible for the first time in years), but I certainly don't recommend it to anyone else.
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Lol. Quick way to get cut no?
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post Mar 20 2010, 06:15 AM

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QUOTE(QD_buyer @ Mar 19 2010, 10:16 PM)
guys

need helps smile.gif

my situation is currently studying in boarding school , where the schedule is tight . 6am-5pm study all the way . my free time is only at 5pm-7pm where i would train rugby or do other exercise and after 11pm .
so when should I workout ? night or evening ?

and I still have a tub of Cytogainer . how should I use it ?
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When you train is up to you.

And if you don't want that Cytogainer, give it to me.

QUOTE(jamis @ Mar 19 2010, 10:35 PM)
just a starting weight, heaviest i went is 110lbs only. Yeah thats wat i studied from most of the videos, its just a slight lift of the heel.
Oh yes, aft my viral infection i lost 4kg XD, fruits and water everyday and some glucose in between.
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QUOTE(pedro @ Mar 20 2010, 05:42 AM)
@Jamis

I noticed that progress is slow for push press,my max 3X5 is 65kgs,If I go for 4th set then I can't do 5.
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Lol... Why are you guys doing push presses when conventional exercises such as seated bb/db press build mass so much faster? The first time i ever went to Terry's gym and he saw me doing MPs and push presses he told me to scrap them off my routine.
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post Mar 20 2010, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(pedro @ Mar 20 2010, 10:12 AM)
Exactly!!

New PR today:
DB bench press-3X5X80Lbs
Push press-3X5X70Kgs

Just a good day I guess!
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Reps too low brotha. You ain't gonna get hypertrophy for that.

QUOTE(jamis @ Mar 20 2010, 11:07 AM)
I introduce this exercise to my jim wendler's 3/2/1 program, it suppose to increase my maxes by 5lbs(max) each month. I m still try to test out this program and before this i had done db push press which i can roughly hit 65lbs each side but ... yes plateau lol (wasnt using this program tat time). Since i m still on the first cycle, so i want to c how far i can go with this exercise. smile.gif
I want the cytogainer too...

Is actually i tot the overall compound movement would be good in building up strength for my shoulder. I used to do seated db presses and usually would be doing high reps and if i do that on my low reps day, i dont think i can lift those db thou sad.gif

For the seated bb press is not behind back right?
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I go 4 sets heavy 8-10 and 1 pump set light 15-20. So that day at Terry's gym I did:-
80lbs x 12 x 3
75lbs x 10
50lbs x 25

Plus the other isolation stuff; front, lateral, rear delt raises and shrugs. You get the idea bro.
And dumbell press are a compound movement.

QUOTE(Majinity @ Mar 20 2010, 11:17 AM)
is push press any diff from military press? if no i guess i can change it to seated db press then.  rclxms.gif
doing rippetoe's btw.
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If you're doing Rippetoe's stick with it. But you can also gain massive size from a conventional beginner bodybuilder's program too. When you do dumbell exercises, you need to stick with moderately high reps. 5 reps or so just won't cut it.

QUOTE(yeah_guyz @ Mar 20 2010, 11:40 AM)
Stick to the Rippetoe 1st, you no need DB works. just follow whatever rippetoe teach. you no need other movement for a moment
once you finish rippetoe (assume 12 week). you should have a nice base and basic knowledge, and you are free to move to other
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Another option is also viable. I used to think this way too but one can get massive gains in size AND strength from a conventional bb program too. Still, Rippetoe is a solid program.

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post Mar 20 2010, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(jamis @ Mar 20 2010, 12:05 PM)
Sweet, thx for the headup. Will definitely try it out for my prog biggrin.gif
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See.... the thing is, don't follow this exactly. One thing Terry says about bodybuilding is go by feel. Instinctive training. Sometimes you feel a lil bit under the weather, so just hit it up with higher reps and lighter weights. If you're feeling particularly strong, go for PR's but poundages are NOT something you should be paranoid about.

What separates a successful bb'er from a newbie is not only the training, but the ability to know their body, to ditch what doesn't work for them and to apply and modify things which exactly suits them. But certain things do apply. Low reps all the time is a no-no. Go for the pump, always the pump = blood flow, fascia stretching, nutrient transport, I'm sure you know these basics.
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QUOTE(yeah_guyz @ Mar 20 2010, 12:55 PM)
From my view it is good to stick to the basic like rippetoe program, as there is only 4 excercise. you can familiar with the movement pretty fast
Bodybuilding program involve too much of exercise, newbie might get confused with it(unless he/she get someone experience guide them)
and after they learn the basic, they will got a decent base and knowledge, and free to go to something else

most of the bber in my gym never train their leg. improper program lo
Agreed with you, but that takes time to experience it XD
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The problem with cookie cutters is, you're pressured to hit a target poundage. What if you're feeling a lil' under the weather on that day? It'll demoralize the trainee if they can't hit the target. It might predispose them to injuries. It might foster the concept that only poundage is conducive to growth, to the point where they get so obsessed with it, that's all they're aiming for. I got into the trap too. I got injured.

I stuck with instinctive training, before long I'm hitting poundages which even Terry said is considered heavy, and i didn't even set any poundage target. The strength gains will come. Strength is secondary for bb'ers, hypertrophy first.

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QUOTE(-Dan @ Mar 20 2010, 01:06 PM)
I got caught in that trap too.  unsure.gif
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Heh.... Everyone does. I had it worse. Left lat tear from its insertion point, rotator cuff injury and an operation for 2 discs in my back. But that was long back. Now a lot wiser.
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QUOTE(-Dan @ Mar 20 2010, 01:21 PM)
Jesus.

In a way I'm thankful I got injured earlier on. Served as a wake up call for me. Even so, my injury hasn't fully healed yet and it's a real b-tch. =/
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What injury? I was away from forums for a while so I might have missed it.

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QUOTE(jamis @ Mar 20 2010, 01:24 PM)
True, used to be too systematic, follow the reps and stuff and in the end still wondering why those muscle stop growing and stuff. Only i realized when i came across an article saying the thing tat we always lack of is the effort and yeah tats the pump thinggy i m lacking of, the groaning final 2 reps.
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Yes, always go for the pump no matter what. But not bunny weights la. Lol. Young bb'ers tend to get too caught up in minor details. It's just common sense, if an exercise isn't working for you, don't do it. Simple right? =P Fascia stretching concept has been around for decades, the old school bb'ers didn't know how to explain it in scientific terms yet.
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QUOTE(-Dan @ Mar 20 2010, 01:33 PM)
Uh, I pulled/strained something in my lower back. Went to an orthopedic surgeon to make sure I hadn't slipped a disc or anything, and thankfully I hadn't. But because of this, arching or bending my back to a certain degree causes me quite a bit of pain and stuff that involves lots of twisting/turning or 'explosive' movements like football or sprinting makes it hurt a lot later in the day, or the next day.
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I had that lower back injury? Geez... when i sneezed i would collapse on the ground from the pain. Same thing when i coughed. That bad.

So i brought my girl to see Terry yesterday at his gym. Lol... showed her his newspaper clips and bb trophies he put at his gym. Do you know whenever i train there, i feel a lot stronger. It's something about that place, you just know that a lot of pro bodybuilders have touched those dumbells, it's weird but i feel like some of that strength is in the feel of the weights. So much history there. First time i went there i was literally in awe of that place, it impressed me a lot more than commercial gyms ever would.

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