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darklight79
post Apr 13 2010, 02:22 AM

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QUOTE(JonYeap @ Apr 13 2010, 02:14 AM)
pedro wants u to go greet him instead? hahahahah... =.=
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I don't even know how he looks like. He just seemed to recognize me. By the time he pm'ed me he left already. Lol. He just said somet5hing about nice arms or something.

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post Apr 13 2010, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(pedro @ Apr 13 2010, 09:27 AM)
I've never seen darkie before that,wasn't even sure!

Darkie's arms can be seen from very far.
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Lol. Seriously next time come say hi. I'm very friendly. The girl I'm with is also very nice. We're both shisha freaks.

QUOTE(swks26 @ Apr 13 2010, 09:50 AM)
And to this morning, I shall share a prayer.

The Lifter's Prayer:


Thank you Arnold for the weights we lift, for the sup's we take, and the foods we eat. May we be strong, get massive and live larger than the average bloke. Bless those bastards that spot our reps, and f*** all those that frown on us. Lightweight baby! A f***in men
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Say.... that's a good one.

QUOTE(Neek @ Apr 13 2010, 01:17 PM)
HIIT calorie burn is not to be counted during the HIIT session only. its supposed to increase calorie burning till AFTER the cardio session. so you cant say u burn as much during the duration compared.
but like the pro said, thats just on paper. so whatever works, do that.

Darklight, did Bob Chic mention anything bout Tabata circuits tho?
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No he didn't. He keeps things very very simple in his replies bro. It's the people who ask him questions in the thread who over complicate things. For example some guy was saying someting about eccentric training and all that:-

Originally Posted by Chuwey View Post
I have a question: How come it seems like no IFBB pro follows the rep timing that I always read advocated? It seems like trainers typically say something like 2 seconds for the positive portion and 4 seconds for the negative (or 5-7 seconds if you're doing "slow rep" work). But 4 seconds is actually a fairly long time, and when I see the pros working out in videos they seem to always crank right through their reps, precontest or off-season. Is this bit of training advice just bogus? Thanks! And apologies if this has already been asked, just let me know (I'm not that slick at searching the forum yet).




QUOTE(Pro Bob Chick;436073401)
Because pros train by "feel", not a predetermined scheme or count...that said, it's a whole lot easier to lower a weight at a 4 count when it's 50 lbs. as opposed to 200 lbs..LOL

The training advice isnt bogus...it's for amateurs, and a good foundation to use as you're climbing the ladder and building a solid base.

As I've said many times...cant get big lifting a calculater



Added on April 13, 2010, 2:14 pmThat is why I keep stressing that if for bodybuilding purposes, 5 x 5 isn't really ideal anymore. If a beginner wants to build a base, then maybe Rippetoe's is kinda.... ok. But once he gets past that newbie stage, he should start a bodybuilding oriented program already.

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QUOTE(mofonyx @ Apr 14 2010, 01:23 AM)
darkie: Haven't been checking in, but probably a lot of those skinny dudes doing HIIT are going at it fasted, and without refeeding after.

It is an immensely detrimental workout if they know nothing about it. It's so popularised though, with people just spewing it out as "HIIT is the cure for everything". Almost as close to heart to forum-lifters as "squats and milk". What people miss out on is the dangers of not supplementing it right. This is probably just as bad as squatting with poor form.

If I'm not mistaken, Alan Aragon wrote something on HIIT v. LISS as well as Fed v. Fasted cardio. http://www.alanaragon.com/articles.html

My personal opinion is to just do the cardio that suits you. Keep it simple. What's more important is GETTING IT DONE. If you don't like HIIT, you're never gonna do it. Likewise, if you don't like LISS, you're never gonna bother.
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By Bob Cicherillo:-


There have been many questions asked online and PM to me lately as the competition season has crept upon us, and is in full bloom. One of the more frequently asked questions is what kind of cardio is the best for getting ripped? There are obviously many forms of cardio to choose from, but most of them fall into two distinct categories: Slow paced and fast paced.

I've been hearing about how the HIIT program is the newest rage for contest prep. HIIT isn't revolutionary or even new for that matter. It's not much different than plain old, simple Step Aerobics.

We must first distinguish whether or not your goal is to simply lose some fat, or getting ready for competition. If your goal is to drop a few lbs. or tighten up, then HIIT is a great way to do it. Simple premise, you burn "X" amount of calories over and above what you consume, it will eventually lead to weight loss.

However... if your goal is to be a competitive bodybuilder, contest ready, and not look like a ZIPPER when you stick your tongue out...then HIIT is DEFINITELY not for you. The difference is keeping muscle mass.

The only two goals for a competing BB are:

1. To keep muscle mass as high as possible
2. To get fat % as low as possible

Just how does SLOW cardio actually bypass the carbs and get to the SECOND source of energy (FAT)? EASY, in laymen terms... after a few minutes of doing consistent but slow paced cardio, the body will automatically switch over to the fat stores for energy, sparing the carbs. WHY? Because your not working at a high enough level that the body needs to use it's #1 source of energy (carbs), but it has to give you something to utilize for fuel... that "something" is FAT!

This can only be achieved by getting to the fat burning stage... It's generally after about 10-15 minutes of cardio. (Depending on a million factors!) Some will get there a few minutes faster, some a little slower. This is why we do anywhere from 30 min to 1 hour of cardio. Variables being your conditioning, how close you are to the show, set point metabolism, etc...

One reason that many guys (and girls) are afraid to try this method is that they're afraid it won't work, or because it doesn't "feel" like they're doing anything. People are so used to sweating, and getting the "target" heart rate, that if those two things aren't happening... they can't accept that in their mind, and often revert to the old "calorie burning" techniques which will leave them smaller, softer, thinner and wondering where all the muscle they put on in the off season went to!
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QUOTE(mofonyx @ Apr 14 2010, 03:39 AM)
kirks: That's a bad link. I would use this instead: http://www.charlespoliquin.com/ArticlesMul...cle.aspx?ID=292

darkie: I accept your points, but you can't immediately dismiss Alan Aragon's.
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I'm not dismissing it. Alan Aragorn is a very well respected nutritionist and he has posted up a lot of good threads, one of them is a sticky here. Point is, does he compete? Bob Chick has been doing it since the 80's and it seems it's the overwhelming preferred method to every pro competitor he's met. I've tried HIIT, whether with our without BCAA's/whey to eating a whole meal immediately after or even before.

It makes me lose mass. It makes me flat. I'm gonna see Terry in a week's time or so. I might ask his views on this too. I'm curious myself.

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QUOTE(XxAC3xX @ Apr 13 2010, 10:26 PM)
as the title said, which type of workout shud i do to make my shoulder broader? if cn plz provide me a clip for betta illustration.. im a 19yo male.
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Pressing movements build overall mass but they don't hit the lateral deltoids as much as we'd like. Lateral raises are your best bet.

Geez... just post your shoulder routine.
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Seriously guys, for those who are into serious bodybuilding, look up the man himself. This guy seriously knows his shit. I've trained there several times, I know. Go for a few training lessons under him because it's definitely a worthwhile investment:-

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Problem is what Mr Absent Minded Terry doesn't tell people is that his gym comes with its own invisible aura of strength which makes your regular workouts seem stronger. I have 2 theories, it's either you have to train within a few meters within that fella's vicinity or it's psychometry on his equipment where the strength and wisdom of pros who've trained there before seems to rub off on you whenever you touch the equipment.

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QUOTE(gtoforce @ Apr 14 2010, 05:12 PM)
last i went there was 2006
time tu kecik lagi and i just lost weight
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if he were to see me now, sure he kutuk
AHAHAHAHA

dulu slalu kene marah ngan die cuz im always stuck in my rookie head

still got receipt of me joining his gym
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The problem with some fools i meet in his gym when training there is, they don't f***in listen to him. He tells them how to do something right and when he walks off they do the same shit. I mean, seriously, I went to look up this guy when I almost died of pneumonia few years back. Gained almost 13 kgs of muscle in a few months. He kept drilling in the principles of instinctive training, but also TONS of form correction. There are people who pm me for help in their sessions but being a doctor, I have time constraints but Terry's like a full time trainer. Plus with that Duke's highway, heh... less than 10 mins to get there. I'm probably heading there next week or something to catch up.
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Rates can give the fella a call. I'll reedit my post above.
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QUOTE(JonYeap @ Apr 14 2010, 05:26 PM)
darkie dont train in the weekends.
he have sex in the weekend. =.=
mon to fri only he train. hahaha...
unless he change his routine schedule. =.=
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Actually depending on my mood, I train a bodypart every 6-7 days. So if i did chest on Monday, I might hit it on Sunday. Heh.
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QUOTE(gtoforce @ Apr 14 2010, 05:33 PM)
what does s*x has to do with weekends  blink.gif
i'd like to have it every day while weekend rest  flex.gif
if u go, im tailing
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Ok jom. FF this Sunday. Lol.
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QUOTE(Kyoyagami @ Apr 14 2010, 06:31 PM)
lately I've been quite lazy with my workouts. Ever since I got back to the gym last October, I did as Darkie posted (Thanks man, appreciate it) on the beginner's guide and I did make headway with strength.

Now though, I feel like I'm stumped. Like I don't have the energy to keep on pushing. On my good days, I'd benchpress 5 sets of 12 reps with 25kgs of weights, squat with 30, dumbbell curls at 12.5kg.

Would eating more help? I'm kinda discouraged to look at my belly. sad.gif
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Uhmm... which beginner's guide did I give you sorry? I can't remember. Glad i helped though.

You need to switch things up a bit. Change the order of exercises. Make sure your sleep,diet and supps are in order. There are many many factors which can contribute to you being in a rut, diet may just be only one of them.
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QUOTE(Kyoyagami @ Apr 14 2010, 06:41 PM)
The one in the sticky. I think I need the 8 hours of sleep again. 7 seems like a little low now. haha. Didn't take supps since I decided to take the natural route. Maybe I'm just psychologically not satisfied of my gains. Then again, I probably did worst when I was still in Uni.
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Natural bb'ing doesn't mean no supps. If they help you get the extra edge and if you can afford it, go for it! Whey is your staple.

Seriously what's the name of the beginner program in the stickies? So many there.

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QUOTE(Kyoyagami @ Apr 14 2010, 06:57 PM)
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...dpost&p=9250258

Sadly, I can't afford my own whey at the moment. Gf problems. haha.
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It's cool. We have priorities. As long as she isn't against your workouts?

QUOTE(Neek @ Apr 14 2010, 07:00 PM)
Like Dark said, supps are natural, whey protein is extracted from milk
creatine can also be found in Beef. just that not in high amounts. smile.gif
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Creatine did help me, not as much as I thought it would. Heh, it's funny when people ask me if I'm natural. Then I tell them I take protein supps and they said omg not natty.
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QUOTE(-Dan @ Apr 14 2010, 07:08 PM)
I have friends who think whey = steroids. laugh.gif
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Tell them that stupidity isn't an offense so they wont' go to jail no worries.
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QUOTE(cheezzzz @ Apr 14 2010, 07:22 PM)
darkie, I've a few questions.. I'm currently on a 5x5  programme and recently I've realised my gym sessions are uberly time consuming. I am thinking of reverting to a 3 day split workout, chest/tricep, back/bicep, shoulder/traps/legs kinda thing.

I'm a real ecto, starting off with a really small frame. Literally cuz my wristline (like how u measure waistline) is less than 6 inches. my goal is more size over strength (but not neglecting la). Thinking of switching my WO from a 5x5 to sumthing like this.. 3-4 reps per exercise

Chest/tricep - bench press, pushups, skull crushers or tricep extension, decline/incline bench
back/bicep - inverted rows, pull/chin ups, plank(prone bridges), lat machine, bicep curl
shoulder/traps/legs - overhead press, deadlift, squats, lateral raises, calf raises

going from a 5x5 I think itll be a bit weird and i know its kinda weird also to use some of the BW exercises.. will I still be able to gain mass through a workout like that? or what would you suggest?
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Drop deadlifts. You don't need them. I don't think you should squat or deadlift on the same day. Seems ok. But you should do

Chest/bi
Back/tri
Shoulder/trap/legs
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QUOTE(cheezzzz @ Apr 14 2010, 07:43 PM)
oo okie.but deads are one of the better compound movement exercises i tot? comp movements are essential for getting bigger generally right?

btw darkie, I am thinking of doing 3 sets with each exercising increasing the weight, starting with weight i can do 10-12 reps, then 8-10, then 6-8. is that alright?
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I don't suggest going lower than 8. Deadlifts are not necessary in a bodybuilder's arsenal. They're ok but not necessary. Compounds in the long term will just emphasize your strong parts and neglect weak parts that's why we supplement them with isolation exercises.
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QUOTE(cheezzzz @ Apr 14 2010, 07:58 PM)
ic.. im just worried i dont do enuf comps.. got this mindset that i can only bulk up by doing comps.. the fact is comps need to be supped with isos as well right?

so will it b alright if i do 4 comp exercises and 2 isos per session? or 3,3?
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There's no strict rule here. I do 3 compounds for chest and 1 so. Shoulders I do 1 compound and 3 isos or sometimes 2 compounds 3 isos. Go by feel.
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QUOTE(cheezzzz @ Apr 14 2010, 08:05 PM)
alright. thanks so much darkie! haha that is kind of the best advice ive got from most ppl.. my friends who are quite big also say that alot, go by feel haha.

o btw, last questions.. any tips for bulking? ie what volume and intensity to train with, and is bulking only limited to people who already have the frame and bigger bones? sorry for a rather inferior question.. just wanted to confirm, who better to seek right haha..
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It's the total number of sets you do per bodypart which is important, the body can only take so much. Bulking can apply to anyone. 12 small bodyparts, 16 bigger ones.
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QUOTE(mumeichan @ Apr 14 2010, 08:50 PM)
Hi again. Could someone kindly advice me which is better between the two

30 bicep curls using 2.5 kg dumbbells twice daily

or

20  bicep curls using 5kg dumbbells twice daily

Those are the maximum I can do a day without getting sore muscles the next day.
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None. You achieve nothing with too high reps for such a small bodypart. Heavier weight where you can do a max of 12-15 is good else you won't be hitting the muscle part effectively.
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QUOTE(mumeichan @ Apr 14 2010, 09:26 PM)
What's an alternative to building chest muscles besides push ups. I can't do push ups because my feet can't bend enough anymore to it. The lowest I can go is like to the height of a sofa's backrest.
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Progress video thread. 1 to 2 pages back. My sister's workout video.

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