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post Nov 25 2009, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(bagata @ Nov 25 2009, 09:25 AM)
about my back prob, its not pain anymore... thank God it is nothing serious...

question is, how long should i take sum time off from doing squat & deadlift?
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QUOTE(FirstOne @ Nov 25 2009, 10:16 AM)
deadlift i dono...but the squat, according to stronglift you can actually do 3 times a week biggrin.gif
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Since your back is already fine, you could take another 4-5 days to be fully sure you're okay. Meanwhile, some stretching exercises and back extensions with no weights should be good to ensure it's perfectly fine. If it hurts a little, back off. If it's sore, then go on.

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QUOTE(registryeditor @ Nov 25 2009, 12:32 PM)
the thread's been missing the heat. hahah. gotta spice it up a little bit sometimes. yeah, im doing my acca alongside my masters in applied accountancy.
haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahah. pizzaboy for some reason i find your sarcasm very beneficial in the least expected way.

EDIT: sarcasm spelt wrongly
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Now I know why you BB, you fuken nerd. You're one of them!

Btw the shakes taste almost 100% like ON. The caffeine ones, still closed. The fact that it has caffeine just gives me a bad feeling running along the lines of constipated tummies and zombie nights.

StringQ, you could try these two cues when squatting. Chest up, or chest down. Some work better chest up, some down. Myself, my head has to be slightly forward and chest slightly up, but not totally up. Too far down, and I sink too low. Too high up and I lose my hip drive. 1/3 up, and I get to sit right in and drive up.
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QUOTE(FirstOne @ Nov 25 2009, 04:47 PM)
Lol....just i don't want to get flame just like some of the forumer...MUAHAHA!

Btw, i dont really know why ppl will hurt their back from doing squat..
I actually do the stronglift program which have to squat 3 times a week until my back got no rasa.. tongue.gif
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Either your torso is way too straight thus killing your quad strength, or you don't use enough weights.
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QUOTE(ken86 @ Nov 25 2009, 10:39 PM)
as per your recommendation,

keep the spine rigid by keeping thoracic and lumbar in extension
hip drive !
weight stays at the middle of the heel.
'bounce' out the bottom using the hamstring stretch reflex.

works like a charm wei !!! thanks biggrin.gif
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There's still a way to better it. biggrin.gif It involves rotating your hips and knees in and out. Got that right and a nicer number. Easy....So I'm inclined to believe that squatting is actually more technique than just pure strength.

It's something like, rotating your knees slightly in, so your hips come closer to your feet and then driving hips out from the hole and pushing knees sideways. No, it's not in to the extent of an ACL injury.

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QUOTE(shanecross @ Nov 26 2009, 02:42 AM)
ok ok fellas, things are getting too gibberish already. Anyone lifted a PR recently...?
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You did 160KG for 3 right?
The same day, I tried 160KG for 3 as well. Three sets. REPETITION PR!
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QUOTE(ken86 @ Nov 26 2009, 06:30 PM)
freak of nature.
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Wanna freak of a nature?
Turn on your television now, Eurosports. Watch 85kg LU yong. That's a freak of a nature.
OR my coach, squats 220KG for 5 triples.


Added on November 26, 2009, 8:41 pmWhich brings me to the topic.....Malaysian and bodybuilders that read American websites, are probably pussies.

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QUOTE(Desvaro @ Nov 26 2009, 10:16 PM)
It's funny watching the weightlifting championships. A bunch of lifters come out and struggle through 3 attempts, then the chinese appear and make those weights look like warmup weights.

I even remember for one of the women's category, while the competitors were doing the C&J, this chinese lifter was warming up inside. Her warmup weights were equivalent to what was being done on the platform.

Made me go WTF!!!!
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WHAT THE FCUK!?!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_World_We...Men's_85_kg

I can't believe it! Lu Yong lost in the clean and jerks! He routinely does 210 for jerks, and this time he only managed 208KG? And Tigran of Armenia didn't even start the CNJ? What is going on? This is a disaster.....disaster....


Added on November 27, 2009, 10:26 am
QUOTE(Desvaro @ Nov 26 2009, 10:16 PM)
It's funny watching the weightlifting championships. A bunch of lifters come out and struggle through 3 attempts, then the chinese appear and make those weights look like warmup weights.

I even remember for one of the women's category, while the competitors were doing the C&J, this chinese lifter was warming up inside. Her warmup weights were equivalent to what was being done on the platform.

Made me go WTF!!!!
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Lotsa overload squats and pulls makes a lifter strong. And also lotsa partials and good programming.

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QUOTE(uhuk-uhuk @ Nov 30 2009, 08:17 AM)
So I guess that the king of all exercises is deadlifts then?
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Have you tried to front squat? Try doing 1/3 front squats with 140% overload of your max front squat. Give sprinting for max speed a try. Pull a lorry or even push it. Try wall climbing, and you'll get sorer forearms than deadlifts can give. Try stone loading and tractor tire flips and pulls. All these exercises, are "kings of exercise" in their own right.

There is no such thing as a king of all exercises.

It's just, what exercise suits your goals and how you use it in your program. Keep deadlifting alone and you'll start seeing muscular imbalances and injuries. Believe me pal, deadlifts use every part of your body, but then injuries can still happen as there's going to be overcompensation and underutilization. Why do you think Bulgarians used to get injuries so often? All they do is the same old lift over and over and over again at incredibly high intensity and for crazy durations.

Use an exercise cleverly. Learn to prehab your body and ensure a seamless flow in your movement. There's a bit of "taichi" in lifting too. I've seen how muscular imbalances give back aches, constant stiff necks, joint injuries and dislocations. IF you're lifting weights to look good, don't forget about feeling good. IF you don't feel good (thanks to bad programming), you don't look good.
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QUOTE(ken86 @ Nov 30 2009, 05:22 PM)
yea if u r lean bulking. Start slow.

pizzaboy - does the disc work ?

de.crystal - loading for DB Squats gets really awkward as the poundages increases. One of the best substitute when U have absolutely no access to a barbell = goblet squats.
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IT .....werks!
Land on the heels? Bitch hell no......i landed on my heels and it was sending shockwaves to my head. Even after bending my knees on landing.
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QUOTE(JonYeap @ Dec 2 2009, 11:41 PM)
wow u all strong sial. =.=
i cant lift that. =.=
haha... stopped for 2-3 months de
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dude you pull 180 man. taht's not weak
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post Dec 3 2009, 12:37 AM

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QUOTE(JonYeap @ Dec 3 2009, 12:20 AM)
hahaha... =.=
185kg to be exact. =.=
well, that one with strap ma. and also that one is ancient history.
now? haha i doubt i can lift 150kg. =.=
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Aiyo. Then you better work back to it. Don't let your strength just diminish away like that. I'm sure your back's gotten stronger now. Last time when I rested for a while, because I felt I tweaked my back, I came back and pulled a PR. I think that time was only 140KG-160KG. 20KG PR just by resting.
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QUOTE(david890701 @ Dec 3 2009, 12:42 AM)
may i ask what is PR? I've googled, Mr google told me its Public Relation.

Anyway, did 107.5kg 5x5 Deadlifts today wink.gif And i tried to find my max, i didnt get to lift 140kg, max i got was 135kg. Oh well smile.gif

@Jon: U fishing?  brows.gif
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Personal record lah.
British or English people call it "PB"
Chinese call it "Jie xien jue" (I can't write Chinese forget it)
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QUOTE(John91 @ Dec 4 2009, 12:11 AM)
You guys damn strong la can deadlift so heavy. I think I can pull off 100kg 5x5 max on a good day, but with reset everytime cuz my grip really sucks. Although using puny weights, the gym goers in my uni look at me like I'm Hercules lol. So far there's only one weightlifter in my uni and he deadlifts around 180kg but he's really low profile.

*People in my uni are really weak, today one normal sized fella tried benching 40kg, his arms failed and the bar fell and choked him for a few seconds, luckily his friend was spotting him. But his facial expression was dam funny hahaha...
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That's because you don't mix and match your rep ranges and weights. Or either that you don't mix around your rest period. Or you've got bad form. My cousin who's 6'3 and weighs 82KG only, could deadlift 100KG for 5x3 after tweaking his form. Initially he was struggling with merely 50KG. Form is of utmost importance for safety and pulling max weights.
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QUOTE(pedro @ Dec 4 2009, 06:59 PM)
Am trying to develop my grip strength by not using any form of aid too!
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You know what worked insanely well?
Rock climbing. That's like the only way you really hang on tighter. The fear of falling helps
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QUOTE(John91 @ Dec 5 2009, 12:28 AM)
I'll try taking a video next time I deadlift and squat in my uni when no one's around. I vary my rep ranges and weights for squats and deadlifts all the time... mix and match i dunno...
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It's ....never mind.

QUOTE(pedro @ Dec 5 2009, 04:50 AM)
You're right,I've been to the indoor rock climbing in One Utama several times,but the real fear factor is not here as you know there is a rope for security!

Need to try the real deal!
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I'm FCUKING terrified of heights. So I grip like I'm falling down all the time. I can't even stand on a balcony and look down
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QUOTE(bata @ Dec 5 2009, 05:11 AM)
is there any relations of how light you can be and how heavy you can pull?
for example can i stay 55kg and pull 200kg? LOL.

because in Oly lifts, light category lifters can do crazy weights too~

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Well when you have good myofibrillar hypertrophy, you are able to do that. Myofibrils increase in number, thus causing the muscular strength to be much stronger. Slightly sarcoplasmic hypertrophy, but more of strength than looks. It's the weightlifter/gymnast/strength athlete muscle that is strong. The sarcoplasmic muscular growth, is the bodybuilder muscle which looks big but usually not as strong per mm.


QUOTE(pedro @ Dec 5 2009, 07:52 AM)
Maybe i should try that or just do it monkey style,without using legs!

55Kg pulling 200kg sounds awesome but am not sure if its very realistic,you might wanna go up to 60!
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Hehe....it's VERY realistic. There are, on my hands right now about 5 lifters I can think of that can SQUAT 200kg at 55KG. Not the crazily equipped powerlifter half squat. A real ATG 200KG. Halil Mutlu, Naim Suley, Long Qiquan, Wu Meijin, Yu Huanming, our current national weightlifting coach could do it too. Now don't think can d lah. Imagine if they can squat 200, how much can they deadlift? Now all you need to be, is a part of a very elite team of national weightlifters for countries like China, Russia, Iran, Turkey, Bulgaria, Romania, Ukraine, Vietnam, Indonesia, Thailand and soon, Singapore.
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QUOTE(bata @ Dec 5 2009, 03:15 PM)
im over that, just asking, my 1RM not reach 150kg YET. lol.
i think i watched your Youtube videos where 50kg lifters squat 140kg....woot...
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Yeah, that guy trains about 5x a week only. Now, retired pretty much. Serious discipline problem. Suruh masok national team, kena tendang keluar.
Come on man.....dude, david89**** on this forum, already has a 150KG deadlift with about 4-5 weeks of training. Albeit he's heavier lah, but can do wan!

QUOTE(pedro @ Dec 5 2009, 03:40 PM)
PB,what i meant is that its realistic for an athlete but might be a tad difficult for someone with a life to live!

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Not really. There's a guy, Tom Goegebuer from Belgium that's a weightlifter/part-time medical physicist/physics and radiation physics student. He also managed to compete in the Olympics at the age of 33 yrs old. He's got a 200KG clean pull/deadlift. It's just the amount of dedication and how much you've SET the limit to youself. Shanecross is a student and works as well. He deadlifts 195KG for 5 and squats 190KG for 2 at about 71KG. Ken86 studies for his masters and works as well and deadlifts 220KG. There should not be a limit to what you are capable of.
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QUOTE(pedro @ Dec 5 2009, 08:35 PM)
What's your opinion on this guys?


Done on alternate cardio days!
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Complexes are amazing. In weightlifting, we make complexes like a clean (1) + hang clean (1) + front squat (2) + jerk (2) or something like Snatch (1) + OH Squats (3) + Drop snatches (2). It only takes about 70% of the 1RM for 7-8 sets and that's it! Crazy workout. Then we'll move to squats or pulls. Excellent way to get a lot in a short time.

But you do know how to use complexes right? As in how their rep schemes and percentages work?

QUOTE(Florian @ Dec 6 2009, 01:43 AM)
Some funny exercise shit.


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QUOTE(pedro @ Dec 6 2009, 12:56 PM)
Am learning on the go,help is always welcome.

70% sounds awfully heavy for what you listed!
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Nolah.....it starts off at about 55% and move up to 70%. Eh no joke ah, this method was developed by the Russians. I know of a particular Russian junior that can do this with 200KG. He does something like a single clean, double front squat, double jerk. And his max jerk is roughly 225KG.
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QUOTE(yeah_guyz @ Dec 6 2009, 09:42 PM)
erm, is it suitable to use such poundage on cardio aka recovery day?
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You're trying to burn fat.
You use 70% for a low rep complex

You try and tell me wink.gif

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