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post Dec 12 2009, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(Siong90 @ Dec 12 2009, 01:41 AM)
I'm a newbie here. 177cm 70kg.
I wish to improve on my arms (biceps and triceps) and chest..
I have only dumbbell and no access to gym.
What routine do u all suggest?

[I've read stickies but kinda complicated and i hope u guys can advise in a simpler ways.]

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QUOTE(FLubber @ Dec 12 2009, 12:47 PM)
its best if u forget about just training ur arms and chest only.
its gonna make u look weird: big arms, big chest, small chicken legs, flat baby back. besides, it'll introduce muscle imbalance and possibly lead to injuries.
focus on training ur whole body, not just the "show muscles"

unless the dumbbells are adjustable and u have a good amount of weight plates, its still best to find a decent gym.

for starters, try looking at stronglifts.com
read read read and read.

set a goal, train with compound exercises, eat to support ur muscle growth, get enough rest.
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You now owe this guy RM200 Siong90 for his help.
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post Dec 18 2009, 04:22 AM

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QUOTE(yeah_guyz @ Dec 17 2009, 11:01 PM)
if this kind of gym happen in malaysia, it gotta zap lap very soon..LOL but damn i love it wub.gif


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I'm planning to open this sorta gym in 3 years time. What makes you think it's gonna bankrap?
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post Dec 18 2009, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(yeah_guyz @ Dec 18 2009, 11:20 AM)
i can hardly see people using squat rack in gym. but if it was at a easy access place. then it is good to go.
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QUOTE(HouHouSek @ Dec 18 2009, 12:13 PM)
Business perspective is not so smart or profitable to open such a gym. Higher capital to buy those rack/weights etc..
Normally gym profits on the volume of ppl coming into the gym and the diversification of diff equipment catering for diff needs.
Hence, commercial gyms like TF, CF and FF they have dance,yoga and cycling classes where they just
need to hire an instructor,pay him/her monthly and have some empty space and they can offer those classes to those joining aunties,
young working adults, uncles and those ppl that wanna lose weight to join their gym.
In this sorta way they can maximise the volume and minimise space used per person in the gym.
Unless you can cater for our own national/state athletes but then again they usually have their own place to train..
Or your income is stable from your other business ventures or family is very rich its gonna take a while before its gonna break even.
Just my opinion. No offense.
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I don't intend to have one as huge as that. I'll have 2 or maybe 3 Oly lifting platforms (probably I'll be playing with it most of the time) and it'll be DIY'ed. Dig 2 "flat holes" on the ground, put hard wood and rubber, sorted! Buy like maybe kettlebells from 8-40KG and a ton of dumbbells. Everybody squats on a jerk/front squat rack. It'll be Oly lifting + strongman days inspired. RAWR! I'm collecting my dumbbells already from 2nd hand sales.
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QUOTE(jamis @ Dec 18 2009, 02:19 PM)
Sounds like a plan, Commercial gym hardly have enough proper equipment for weight trainer, u cant throw the weight, too little space and etc.

I went to Fitness first last night in Menara axis, it doesnt have a power rack, too little space, hardly deadlift even the numbers of ppl is not that much, threadmill and machine take up too much of the space.

So personally i would say a gym with enough free weight, place for u to THROW ur weight. And just to earn extra case, get some trainer and open up a small studio inside the gym for those stupid classes lol.
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If I were to get trainers, they would have to have at least a P.I.C.P. Level 1 certificate, or NASM-CPT certificate. I will definitely want a C.H.E.K. practitioner. If they don't have any of these, they'd have to prove to me, they're willing to go for courses to learn and understand more. Most importantly, I'll want them to constantly read journals, books, studies, watch videos, and update themselves. I'm going to bring one guy from China who's my coach's good friend to coach Oly weightlifting as well. Probably end up with 3 trainers including myself.

I believe it can work. I've already got one Eleiko barbell set, and I'm gonna work into buying another 3 sets from DHS or Zhangko. My friends in Pushmore had the slowest business in the world, and now they even have to schedule the classes because too many people come. I bet it'll work. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(kaspersky-fan @ Dec 18 2009, 07:07 PM)
if you do and its in pj, pls tell me the details, desperately finding such gym apart from pushmore
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Its likely to be around PJ. Problem is getting the greens. One Eleiko set that I got (I needed to pull a LOT of powerful strings) was already five figures. I need at least 3 more sets of barbells and weights. Kettlebells also another bitch. RM600 for ONE 32KG kettlebell. I'm gonna really need to find some China suppliers for this to work out. Never mind, SUKMA finish can focus on this.
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post Dec 21 2009, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(John91 @ Dec 20 2009, 09:38 PM)
... That sucks, subang has no pay per entry gyms and my gf needs to get in shape!
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A lot of clients that I train that need to get in shape, will get IN shape to train with weights. I make them learn to manipulate their own bodyweight before even touching ANY weights. Only weights they'll touch is a dumbbell for dumbbell swings during the first few weeks.
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post Dec 21 2009, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(jamis @ Dec 21 2009, 10:47 AM)
Heard that from Rooney (in T-nation). Beginners are not allow to touch those weight until they had their foundation developed, and tat might takes months sometimes lol.
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I've no idea who Rooney is. The only Rooney I know is Martin Rooney from MMA. I mean it's true. Think about it.

How many of us actually know how to

- Sprint
- Jump and land properly
- Accelerate from the middle
- Accelerate from the start
- De-accelerate
- Rotate
- Sprint and reverse
- Jump sideways
- Jump up

Many say they know, but when I put them to the "Hand scraping" test, everybody swings the arm like retards. Many can't punch, many don't even know how to squat with their own legs. Once I teach all these, they already feel and perform better just by learning how to mobilize the hips and ankles. I've seen clients that jump first and in mid-air after full triple extension, swing their arm. Like wTF??

Simply put, if you can't push-up, pull-up, do bodyweight squats, dip, pick an egg from the floor without curving your chest in and do dumbbell swings, you've no business trying to squat with a barbell on your back, or bicep curling.

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post Dec 25 2009, 10:54 AM

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Phew! I thought I was turning stupid when i read the replies. I read like he said growth can happen in the gym as well, then suddenly he says we're all wrong, and he says growth happens when we're resting.
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QUOTE(mofonyx @ Dec 29 2009, 11:24 PM)


raw eggs brah.
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I think I'm gonna puke. Urgh...
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post Dec 30 2009, 12:12 AM

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I actually went to vomit when he drank the chicken. Hangover+Japanese bb videos. Urgh.
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post Jan 22 2010, 02:51 AM

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I'm surprised the PT still let her do those OH squats. She was already falling forward. Needs more work on those ankles honey.
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I don't understand people that don't use straps. If you're competing in powerlifting, and your deadlift cannot go any higher because of your grip strength, then TRAIN the friggin grip strength separately.

If your deadlift isn't going up because your upper back is weak, but because of numerous repetitions, your grip loosens out (duh), then use the strap!

Straps are an integral part in anybody's routine. If there are a few things I would never be caught without, it'd be my straps, my tights, my knee sleeves and wraps and weightlifting shoes. Belts are for people who can lift really heavy and I can't, so I've no business using them.
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QUOTE(shanecross @ Jan 25 2010, 10:48 AM)
People dont want to use straps because they think its not hardcore.typical mentality
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Ala......don't use straps, then cannot develop a back strong enough for a 250KG pull. So what if you don't use straps, but can only pull 180. N00b.
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QUOTE(Kinetics @ Jan 29 2010, 05:24 AM)
What do you do when you've been training for awhile and your weight seems to be stuck at a certain amount?
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Change the rep range and loading and TUT
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QUOTE(ken86 @ Feb 2 2010, 09:36 AM)
I am not anti-machine but smith is really bad for learning the compound movements

The Smith machine locks you into a fixed plane of motion, which develops what is called 'pattern overload syndrome'. This was coined by Paul Chek and is explained as

People get a pattern overload from using the Smith machine. The more fixed the object, the more likely you are to develop a pattern overload. This is due to the fact that training in a fixed pathway repetitively loads the same muscles, tendons, ligaments and joints in the same pattern, encouraging micro-trauma that eventually leads to injury. If one always uses a Smith machine for his bench presses, he ends up working the same fibers of the prime movers in the bench press all of the time: triceps brachii, pectoralis major, long-head of the biceps, anterior deltoids, and serratus anterior. But he can't change the pathway, the bar will always be in the same position. This commonly leads to chronic injury over time. The weight is stabilized for you. However, the joints operate in multiple planes. Use of the Smith machine, greatly decreases stabilizer activity. That creates a problem when the trainee returns to free-weight training. When that happens, the trainee is exposed to the three-dimensional environment called real life.

This clearly applies to any exercise. Because of the mechanics of the knee joint, the body will alter the natural bar pathway during a free-weight squat to accommodate efficient movement at the knee. A fixed bar pathway doesn't allow alteration of this pathway for efficient movement of the joint, thereby predisposing the knee to harmful overload via lack of accommodation.

Biomechanically the bar path should travel in a straight line when you squat but squatting in a smith machine stabilizes the weight for you and well this leads to injury and little to no carry over to real life situations.

If you've been training for a long time, and looking to target that particular muscle (say VMO ) maybe it would work for a while.

For beginners, it's highly discourage, look for a gym with  a rack.
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QUOTE(ken86 @ Feb 11 2010, 11:42 AM)
just to add -
more CNY wisdom for CFB (current fat bast*rd)

I told some fat people recently that they couldn’t out train a bad diet. Some were offended. They thought that as long as they trained hard on some high intensity circuit type workout a few days a week they would get lean.
They won’t. Nobody gets lean from doing kettlebell swings and burpees. If you’re eating clean, these will help, but unless your diet is spot on you aint losing an ounce. All the exercise in the world will do you no good without eating properly. These are the cold, hard facts and something I noticed , my friends.
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I've a client that has major issues losing weight. I don't know what's wrong but I've already prescribed the 3L of water, cut carbs to as low as 20-30GMS a day, eat a tonne of greens and meat, circuit training, get stronger. I even prescribed the fish oil trick to increase fat reduction. I've tested her bodytype and it's the protein type. So everything I prescribe, is leaning towards that bodytype. It seems like nothing is working. Her bodyweight keeps going up.

I'm starting to think that she doesn't adhere to meal timings and thinks too little about the importance of the things I'm telling her. All these methods work, and it's even worked with a client of mine that owns a pub and drinks every darned night. Even that client was able to lose 4KG. David on this forum has lost about 7-8KGs.

It's extremely frustrating when you can't see the results you want on your clients. URghH!!! I'm also thinking it's because she's not motivated and her movement is extremely lethargic and slow which I've tried to fix with more plyos and stretching. Nothing seems to be working.

QUOTE(metalfreak @ Feb 11 2010, 12:14 PM)
Ken,

I agree with what you say that diet > training.

I was wondering, if I cook my stuff using extra virgin olive oil...is it okay? I normally use EVO oil for my chicken breast and beef.
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There's a reason why people sprinkle olive oil on their foods and not cook with it. It kills the enzymes and whatever nutrient qualities are in there.
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QUOTE(metalfreak @ Feb 11 2010, 01:31 PM)
oh shoot. means even pan frying usng normal cooking oil will do? ah well

I'll just use EVO oil to season the meat biggrin.gif
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Use the spray kinds. Pan spray I think they call it. Use much less oil and still covers the whole pan.
U zee why I hate striving for a sexy body thing? It's too much trouble. I'm happier being stronger than any average person despite having a lil more obliques than a abercrombie and fitch model. And my foods are tastier too!
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QUOTE(bata @ Feb 12 2010, 02:08 AM)
check her thyroid maybe? There's one transformation in bb.com episode fail because one girl got problem with her thyroid, sumthing like that. Just saying.
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You've got a good point. I'm also checking her digestive levels and hormones to see if they're squeezed out dry. Hopefully not, for if that's the case, then I've a lot purchasing of supps to do to correct that. And they wonder why I charge my price for personal training. IT's not easy ya know.
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QUOTE(faizpsp89 @ Feb 13 2010, 12:49 AM)
lol i know rite..Like if u come to Cf Wangsa Maju,most of the trainers there r like trainers without certificate i think..Believe it or not,there is even a fat dude as a trainer there..Cf Wangsa Maju FTW! rclxms.gif
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The key indicator to your progress should be your BODYFAT percentage. It's not your weight. People who go jogging, do see a reduction in weight, but the fat levels and skin are still everywhere. Why's that so? Because they do not address the issues with skinny fat but instead go around thinking and reduction on the scale, is a good reductio. That is NOT true!

The best way to fat reduction, (at least in the early stages) is gradual reduction in carbohydrates and maintaining an amount of strength training with conditioning.
Then we've to move into options such as specific spot fat reduction (Amazingly, scientist have argued that this MAY be possible), carb cycling, thermogenic and a shitload of other methods.
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Here. Let me simplify the world of gaining weight for ectos in Malaysia.

Half your plate has to be meat.
The other half has to be a mix between veggies and rice. (We're talking Malaysia, so let's just be practical)

Optimally, you'd want your plate to be half meat and half greens and potatoes, but if that's not possible, fine. Rice will have to do it then.

In meat, it has to be 100% meat and not 80% bones like all the ridiculous zha-fan stores which serves all bones.

Okay now repeat that six times a day, except the last 2 meals of the day where you cut out the carbs. Drink plenty of water to ensure your liver gets enough help processing the additional protein.

And......yeah, you're set to gain some weight. Oh btw, deadlift, squat and press please.


Added on February 21, 2010, 4:22 pmIt really isn't that difficult. The problem with people like you guys, is that you've got the internet. Now the internet, has wonderfully written articles by people that are millionaires from marketing, but NOT always from results.

I've something called a coach that makes me train till my body aches from 2 weeks and yet I have to persistently train. At that level of intensity, all you care about is eating anything you see. And from that, I grew from 56-70KG in 3 months. From 70-80KG in an additional 9 months.

And yes, my plate always looked like this.
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UR Asian. Asians have a slight difference in the genes that enables us to get away with high GI carbs. It's proven over and over again, that's why Angmohs turn into walking potatoes when they come to Asia.

If you want a clearer picture, drop me a PM.

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