can't decide between dentistry and pharmacy.......now want to add medicine?......

in that case, imu-pms better than monash msia better than imu-local.........

total cost unfortunately follow this rule as well.......you get what you pay for......

there are some doctors like that........either by choice or by necessity.......options include medical directors in pharma co, medical school lecturers, medical advisor in insurance co, etc.......as long as you do not come in contact with and treat patients.......

you can call yourself a dr. if you have a medical degree, registration is only to actively practice medicine........but like said, some people may feel it is inappropriate to be called dr. when they do not practice medicine........

you can teach anatomy, physiology etc, ie the clinical sciences........and there are lots of expatriate lecturers (burmese, indians mostly) in ipta and ipts med schools who are not registered with mmc, ie they are NOT allowed to see patients, but they can teach.........

you can continue postgraduate in other non clinical medicine fields like you said.......but if you want to do postgraduate in clinical medicine specialties, including lab based ones, you will need full registration.........

'see patients' means to treat, as in a patient doctor relationship.........

you will need to know if they are registered to practice medicine in msia with the mmc........if they are, then of course they can see patients........

if they are registered, then no issues.......so what's the fuss? i don't know if they are, that is why i asked.........

there are expat clinical lecturers who are NOT registered, and they just teach......they take no part in the management of patients......they are NOT interested in clinical work or calls.....they are not paid extra for that......most of them are quite old, so they are like semi retired, just concentrate on teaching........

is the standard of indon med school so low?........year 3 there only equivalent to year 1 here???

that is NOT true..........recognition is a function of politics rather than quality, in the msian context.........

a big difference between med schools across the world is their ADMISSION policy........ie the quality of the students accepted.....

the CORE medical knowledge is the SAME where ever one is.........we are all humans with the same anatomy, physiology, chemistry etc........different syllabus may have different NON-CORE content, but the basic knowledge required is the same..........

therefore for 3rd year students to be forced to restart at year 1 does indicate severe and significant deficiencies in knowledge.......and ability.........

an any case, think about it.......why are there so many indonesians flocking to penang, melaka, spore etc for medical attention?..........

amazing......

we are going to get doctor taxi drivers soon.........in the near future.......

and 10,000 students?..........is that chap on something and hallucinating..........?

This post has been edited by limeuu: Dec 13 2009, 06:33 PM

i think moh/mmc are left speechless by this political talk.........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Dec 19 2009, 05:59 PM

chemistry is probably a more important science subject for medicine, and some unis indeed require chemistry as a mandatory requisite, and not biology.........

the singapore a-levels papers are different from the CIE ones that msia colleges present candidates for........

it is commonly believed that the spore a-levels is more difficult than CIE..........might be the case, but nobody knows for sure, i think they should be equivalent.........

i would caution about doing medicine in russia........it is just too un-natural a pathway......(it's like msia conducting medicine in spanish, so we can earn money from desperate students wanting to study medicine from the argentina and chile etc)..........

you have finished up in nz?..........

like i always say........find out their spm results, that will give you an idea of the calibre of the students........you will be surprised who they pick to enter medicine in some places........

utar has been fighting for their own med school, and looks like they finally got approval.........

unfortunately no details, and their website offers no info........

i really hope this is the end, and there should be NO new med school for at least 10 years........all these new upstarts will need to get their programme, staffing, quality of students and teaching, etc in order first.........

you will have a higher chance to getting into ipta, or uk/oz, than getting into hku......for the same results.....

one of the problem with russia is their admission policy.......they do NOT select the best, msians studying there range from very good students to very lousy students who should have never been admitted........

the same problem exist to a lesser degree in local ipts........

that's what happens when you commercialise education........you select based on ability to pay more than ability itself.........

these have relatively small intakes, less than 100 per uni, except for aimst, with 200/year.....the REAL numbers comes (and will continue to come) from russia and ukraine........about 1000+/year for the next few years.......with current intake, that will continue for the foreseeable future, unless msia stop recognition...........

there is absolutely NO control over who and how many become doctors in msia at the moment.........it is a free for all........

relax...........it's just politicians talking, with no idea what they are spewing........

the minister of health just announced they are actually considering REDUCING the compulsory service to 2 years.........

this is because it is a real probability that by 2015, the numbers completing housemanship and taking mo posts will exceed the vacancies...........

actually, the statistics show 2 trends...........

first is, the numbers (and percentages) of people resigning from gov service after compulsory service in decreasing..........it becomes increasing difficult to establish gp clinics, and majority of people wants to specialise........however, the attrition from the specialist ranks continues unabated.......

the second trend is, the number of newly graduated doctors from the 1st world(ie uk/oz/nz/spore) returning to work in msia is shrinking........easily 80-90% of these doctors will stay on where they graduated to work.....as in your case....and indeed, in recent years, i know not personally anyone who returned.........this compares with <50% in the 80's and 90's........

however, newly minted doctors graduating from the 1st world are dwafted by those from the '3rd' world (russia/ukraine/india/indonesia/etc).........and hardly ANYONE stayed on, or will want to stay on in these countries........and by the local med schools, the majority of whom cannot work elsewhere.......these are the ones what will swell the ranks of doctors in msia.........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Jan 31 2010, 02:05 PM