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post Jan 7 2012, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jan 7 2012, 10:15 PM)
did not apply to monash msia.....was not an option at all......imu-pms would be a much better choice, and relative was offered, but since they want non-refundable money upfront, offer allowed to lapse.....

huskies, monash interview was felt as 'sub-optimal'....that was much earlier on in july, when medicine was still a 'maybe just try to apply and see' kind of option.....felt newcastle pqa and interview was better, but did not get offer.....only 10 places under tpc, and at least half will go to jpa/mara scholars....

i suspect relative comes through as a 'luke warm' sort of candidate.....certainly, being uncertain about it all the while makes one less intense/passionate, and that will come through in interviews.....

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post Jan 9 2012, 12:39 PM

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Nerve wrecking days!!

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post Jan 9 2012, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jan 9 2012, 11:50 AM)
uac offers are out..... nsw uni applicants should have their firm offers....

relative have rejection from unsw medicine....
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Is relative waiting on offers from others, or was UAC's the last?
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post Jan 9 2012, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jan 9 2012, 06:44 PM)
no word from uws (they do not use uac for internationals) nor provisional entry double degree uq.....


Added on January 9, 2012, 7:11 pm
looking at the numbers going forward, i don't see how they can accommodate all the home students, let alone internationals....unless the house jobs are increased significantly.....
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So bottom line, avoid doing MBBS in Australia if there are offers from say, UK or Ireland. sweat.gif
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post Jan 23 2012, 03:07 PM

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Dsx, Huskies, Onelove, please advise.

Regarding medical tsunami in Oz, in say 5 years time, which state will be harder hit, NSW or Tasmania, all other things being equal?
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post Jan 24 2012, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(Huskies @ Jan 24 2012, 10:23 PM)
I'm inclined to think that NSW will be the worst state to graduate from in 5 years' time, simply due to the sheer number of graduates coming through the system. The government might expand the system over the next few years, but then again they may also increase the number of medical seats or even start a new medical school (great political mileage considering there will be at least 2 more elections called in the next 5 years - what happens next is a little less important to them). Charles Sturt is lobbying hard for a new medical school.

The smaller states like TAS, WA, SA and even ACT have essentially peaked in terms of graduate numbers. I would definitely keep New Zealand and Singapore as back up as well.
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NZ? Re Singapore, assuming you get a spot as a fresh graduate, what is the process like thereafter, particularly leading to specialization?
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post Jan 29 2012, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(manking91 @ Jan 29 2012, 12:32 PM)
does anyone have any ideas on the exact pathway to get trained in new zealand after graduating from aussie unis? and the chances of getting trained there?

Another question also, I have seen that in UK they have got 3 different way of training their students whereas in aussie I see that in their website its written case based learning. is it the same as that of pbl? or anyone has any idea on how the students there are trained? and how is it different from the training in uk?

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Regarding internships in NZ, go and read up at NZ Medical Council for first hand information tongue.gif

In the UK, it depends on the medical school, eg. Oxbridge - traditional, Liverpool - PBL, and Edinburgh - integrated.
In Australia, I read PBL is gaining popularity, but most follow the integrated approach. Newcastle was the pioneer in PBL, and UWS states they use PBL, and others like Monash and UTAS follow a more integrated approach including case based learning, and problem based learning.

Maybe Limeuu can shed some light on this. notworthy.gif

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post Jan 30 2012, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(Syd G @ Jan 30 2012, 08:29 PM)
Just received an offer from Monash Sunway. Weighing pros and cons smile.gif
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QUOTE(zstan @ Feb 1 2012, 03:52 PM)
Yeah but you need to include time for revision at night as well.. Some medic students only sleep at 3am everyday..
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OMG! Med students must be the unhealthiest of all undegrads!

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post Feb 1 2012, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Feb 1 2012, 04:05 PM)
Ah nola you go those top uni see a lot of people also like that one... Harvard...Oxbridge...imperial... Etc.. Just that Malaysia don't have 24 hours library that's why you don't see....
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How to survive on 4 hours of sleep a day? the long term effects will be disastrous, i reckon.
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Feb 1 2012, 05:45 PM)
that indicates very mediocre students.....or very poor time management........

most med students lead very normal, socially active lives....the only problems they face are the short vacations in the clinical years, and the fact they hardly come into contact with other students.....
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post Feb 1 2012, 09:24 PM

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For those interested in doing medicine in Australia, or who medical graduates hoping to migrate to Australia, here's an interesting read:

The Rising Tide of Medical Graduates


Added on February 1, 2012, 10:34 pmFor all who may be interested, BBC's "Junior Doctors, Series 2" has premiered!
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post Feb 2 2012, 09:41 AM

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In Australia, undergraduate entry is much more competitive now. Even the domestic students are going for 5 years, instead of spending 3 years in a bachelors of science course, then go through GAMSAT, and keeping very high academic scores in the undergraduate course, to get a chance at 4 years in grad med school. At the moment,what I deduce from their med forums is that the uncertainty of making grad med school, has made this pathway less popular.
Already, there are many questions about what one will do with a Bio-Med degree, if they fail to get into medicine.

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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Feb 2 2012, 10:32 AM)
If the grad med schools maintained the same no of places available, wouldn't this be less competitive and considering the fact that how many will actually go for a med related degree before applying? And with competition building up, isnt it a better option to take A levels than oz pre-u to widen the choices

Looking at the scenario where locals aiming for med courses overseas face, IMU-PMS will still be a much sought after place. I just found out that for Manchester Uni, foreign internationals are just given 29 places a year in total whereas those transferring from IMU for Year 3 onwards will be allocated 13 places! But IMU has a "strange" way of allocated partner med schools, not all based on merit.
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Those who do not make the cut for undergrad mbbs, will opt to do a med related degree, and my son alone, already knows a handful of international students taking that route. Many domestics are also taking that route, so I don't see how it will be "less competitive", generally.

For offshore students, it's generally agreed that taking A levels is the more flexible course, and I believe this has been discussed and explained at length by limeuu a while back, in this thread, and also in another thread " need serious help" where grades etc were discussed in detail.

With IMU-PMS, the uncertainty of matching will still haunt the student for 4 sems, correct me if I'm wrong. Also, ALL uk unis have limited places for internationals, between 24 to 35 places, thereabouts, but UK has a lot more medical schools. I believe Australian unis cn offer up to 20% of their med places to internationals, and even with the tsunami/ rising tide of medical grads, the demand has not changed much, yet.

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QUOTE(Syd G @ Feb 2 2012, 11:50 AM)
Not to mention a shorter course too smile.gif
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Well, UNSW and UAdele offers a 6 years mbbs course, the three unis with 5 years mbbs are UWS, Monash and UTAS.
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QUOTE(Syd G @ Feb 2 2012, 12:59 PM)
Exactly.. graduate degrees are 4 years compared to 6/5 years.. so of course there will be a lot more pressure to pick things up fast biggrin.gif
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Am not sure if "pick things up fast" is accurate, as one would have covered med related subjects during the bachelors degree, leading up to grad entry. Consider perhaps undergrad first year = 3 years bachelors degree' but no guarantees getting into 2nd year at all (for grad entry). It's a more challenging pathway, I think. If money is not an issue, it's actually a better gauge of the student's interest, having had 3 years to think whether medicine is the "true calling". Once into grad med school, I don't think it's really that much harder, it's the preceding uncertain years.

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QUOTE(zstan @ Feb 2 2012, 02:05 PM)
I think for Australia/UK system.. let's say you are doing a 5 year course.. you technically only study for 4 years after deducting all the summer and winter holidays... unlike our local counterparts like IMU/UCSI local program where holidays are hard to come by....thus they really literally study for at least 4.5 years..
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Thank goodness for that, as all work and no play makes Jack/Jill a dull boy/girl, and all that! tongue.gif

Anyway, during the clinical years, summer holidays get shortened to 4 to 6 weeks.
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QUOTE(zstan @ Feb 2 2012, 02:19 PM)
It's still much longer than the holidays compared to the local program(IPTS) here whereby the maximum holidays i have heard is only 2 weeks... and then it's classes again..
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Maybe hand holding require a significant amount of extra time tongue.gif
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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Feb 3 2012, 03:15 PM)
Anyone had any idea of the "criminal record check" for UK university requirements for medical students. Some confirmation to be issued by Putrajaya?

And the health check requirements? Any validity period? If going in Sept, is it possible to do it now? Not specifically indicated on the offer letter.
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It will take a couple of months for the criminal record check. Not sure about UK, but Aus requires proof of immunization, which can be certified by the family doctor.

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