Berba just got in for 15minutes & he got blamed for that short of a play time? I feel that he would be of a more impact if we were behind...which we're not. He's just not under pressure...What's the most important at that point is possession. Give the guy a break. I have faith in him. Carrick, Ando, Brown, Giggs are under performing right now....Why not blame them too?

Anyway Berba remind me of Christian Vieri. Similar style and phsical strength but Vieri is more prolific. I like that kind of striker because they look lazy and slow but they always sharp in front of goal. Btw, why i dont see Anderson at yesterday match?

Whose blaming him for anything, it's just his attitude that he's shown since he's joined us. In terms of attitude on the pitch tevez was miles ahead.

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Added on August 30, 2009, 4:18 pmQuarrel with Fergie.

He's been off form this season, so maybe let him rest and focus on training so he can get better. I really don't know what position Anderson plays best because he was AMC when MU bought him and he played AMC for both Gremio and Porto. Maybe it's to make him more of a complete midfielder?

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Added on August 30, 2009, 4:19 pmChristian Veiri is a legend! I used to like him a lot when i was younger! Berbatov has a loooong way to go.

This post has been edited by Tak3shi: Aug 30 2009, 04:19 PM

berba with his own style..
dont like him, just leave him..
if he score.. dont ever cheer for him~

[quote=Tak3shi,Aug 30 2009, 04:07 PM]
Both side misplace passes. It was that kind of a game with both sides looking to cancel each other out. But Giggs was frustrating in the first half at least. He had a lot of good chances to create something but always found a way to mess them up.

We had a lot of final pass in the end, but one way or another, we mess them up at crucial times. And in the first half if it wasn't for Giggs somehow messing them up, we would have a lot.

It's only 5 games into the season, so you would expect them not to be at their best yet in terms of team play.

Arsenal played with more intent of getting the win? What kind of bull is that. We both wanted to win the match... we're the one who got the 2nd goal, and of course they would try their best to get their own 2nd goal so they won't lose. They mess up, just like we did when we should have got the 3rd goal..

Bad tactics? It was perfect to counter Arsenal with their movement. As shown in the past that formation is effective for the big games although it doesn't always look pretty on the eye. What do you suggest then? We play 442 with the same player on the right wing? Same thing..

As for our creativity, this is the midfield for the last few seasons which supported our attacks to great effect. You've been banging on and on about it, but name me again who started in midfield last few seasons? It's not about looking back at the past, but if we are so crap, we wouldn't have managed to score so many goals or even be as successful as we did, with or without Ronaldo.

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Last few seasons we had Ronaldo, who could score with either foot, head, had great finishing ability, freekicks, opened up play by drawing defenders to him, outside shot, had great chemistry for the link up plays, could hold the ball.

And even with him we got outplayed in the Champions League, now after having lost our most influential player, replace by one with only 1/2 of his abilities.

Unlike you i'm not bias, all of them were chasing us all over the pitch, harrying our def/mid/att. Some of our players were too busy ball watching to bother helping out, i could say almost all of the Arsenal players were closing down the entire pitch, look at the number of interceptions they got compared to us, we could not hold the ball for even 2seconds before they come and double team us. Whereas, they had the ball some of our players were often watching and waiting for it.

I'm not saying we played that badly but if we wanted to win it was about 8/10 while arsenal was about 9/10.

Btw, i'm impressed with the few times valencia and nani backtracked to help defend.

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so ur talking abt ronaldo?

yeah we sold him, and we r training NANI, Obertan to be his successor la

wait ma, not straight to get "ronaldo"

[quote=nizamhameed,Aug 30 2009, 04:25 PM]
Last few seasons we had Ronaldo, who could score with either foot, head, had great finishing ability, freekicks, opened up play by drawing defenders to him, outside shot, had great chemistry for the link up plays, could hold the ball.

And even with him we got outplayed in the Champions League, now after having lost our most influential player, replace by one with only 1/2 of his abilities.

Unlike you i'm not bias, all of them were chasing us all over the pitch, harrying our def/mid/att. Some of our players were too busy ball watching to bother helping out, i could say almost all of the Arsenal players were closing down the entire pitch, look at the number of interceptions they got compared to us, we could not hold the ball for even 2seconds before they come and double team us. Whereas, they had the ball some of our players were often watching and waiting for it.

I'm not saying we played that badly but if we wanted to win it was about 8/10 while arsenal was about 9/10.

Btw, i'm impressed with the few times valencia and nani backtracked to help defend.

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so ur talking abt ronaldo?

yeah we sold him, and we r training NANI, Obertan to be his successor la

wait ma, not straight to get "ronaldo"

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yo bro, i talked about ronaldo because your friend here said we won the team with the same midfielders last year. He forgot that a huge part of contribution was from ronaldo.

If not why i want to mention Ronaldo, ronaldo leave i don't care. But u expect us to perform as well as last season without him, please be realistic. Whatever i've said has been mentioned on player rating football sites like goal.com. It's not a negative rating, it's a factual rating.

He always need a few run in the side to get in the groove. Always like that. He's a bit crap and all over the place in his first few games.

Probably took him by surprise. Got his hand to it, but guess it was a bit late. Need to work on his spring and reach. Someone should have close Arshavin though.. Vida was in front of him and probably scared to close him down seeing Arshavin can run rings around him if he rush forward.

I agree, other than Fletcher, the rest didn't show up. Carrick is still in his crappy form. He wasn't bad, but it would have been great if he showed himself more in the game. If I remember last few seasons also the same. He will get into these sort of form for a while, then spring to life. Giggs forgot how to control the ball.. Valencia wasn't effective, and Nani had 2-3 players to beat on his own.

But I thought it was the correct decision to go with 3/5 in the middle. We just have to accept it, for the big games 442 won't always work. 2 CMs agaisnt 3/4 CMs.. that won't be fun to watch, especially against a side like Arsenal who you know would kill us with their movement, pace and passing. We've found our cure for the big games using 433/451, and we use it. 442 to destroy other teams. Just remember last season CL games.. it was 433 against Arsenal where we ran riot.

I disagree about the creativity bit. On form Carrick can provide it. And Anderson have plenty although he's too inconsistent right now. Giggs obviously is the master(aside from last night), along with Scholes, although they are on their last legs.

Maybe, he would have killed them off.. or maybe not seeing his finishing for the last few games. We needed someone able to keep the ball, and Berba is mighty strong at that. He just got off balance, and probably in hindsight should have stop the ball first and then shoot with that one chance he got.

Why can't he just play the way he is and be effective at the same time? Rooney is a freak in that respect.. not many players play like him. If there's something wrong with Berba's attitude, SAF would have thrown a desk at him already and ship him out. Guess he knows more huh seeing as Berba is still here and seemingly first choice alongside Rooney. I really don't see what's the big problem.. so he doesn't run after the defenders as much, but stats would tell he's done far more defensive work/work in general than you would claim.

Last few seasons we use him as our main weapon drawing out his potential in getting goals. Now that he's gone we're seeing the strikers getting more action in front of goal. We may have lose some aspect of play that he brings to the side, but we got a few more tools now too without him there trying to be a striker rather than creating chances.

Could it be just tactics that we allowed them to have the ball and only harry them at certain position/for certain players? If that's the only way to win games, why the hell don't teams do it all the time or every single game? It's call tactics. We might do certain things and Arsenal doesn't, and not do certain stuff which Arsenal might do.. but both sides would look to win the game, or draw depending on circumstances. We want to win this one seeing it was a home game.

I'm not saying it was a perfect game, far from it, but due to both sides canceling each other out, there's bound to be mistakes everywhere, which showed. They made more than us. If Diaby didn't score that own goal, we might have done better with one of our chances late on.. What IFs..

jeez. lay off Berba for a bit. look at his stats when he's in the EPL. not only does he score, but he assists as well! I'd compare him to Bergkamp himself. not the highest scorer in the league, but assist stats are impressive.
in terms of skills and technique as well. did people get on Bergkamp's back when he scored 14-20 goals per season?

lol...nice one

Guys...should watch berbatov's last season's highlights from Wan's youtube.

This post has been edited by nshady: Aug 30 2009, 04:38 PM

if he could sleep like a buddha on the pitch and score tons of goals, that's fine by me. Is he doing that now? I said 1/2 rooney's attitude. 1/2 would be to fight for the ball back when he loses it, instead of staying on the ground lifting his hands up.

As i said earlier, let's wait till the season ends. Did i mention anywhere here that OMG we should sell him NOW! Azman Adnan could play better!!

At least Nani's attitude is much better this season his diving antics and selfish play last season pissed me off, CR maybe his sifu but don't have to copy all the bad traits as well ma. lol.

This post has been edited by Tak3shi: Aug 30 2009, 04:39 PM

there was a quote by inter fan a couple of years saying that vieri was only prolific because inter was playing in the serie b. it simply means vieri only can score against lower level club..

anyone has a video or picture of rooney doing that suicide diving header towards the end?

I thought Inter always play in serie a??? Actually his international record also is great considering not many striker can score more than half of their appearances when at international level.

That was gold, haha. Everybody was cheering.

Arsene Wenger being sent off was gold too, he was stuck with all the MU fans who were crazily waving!

I wonder if berbatov played the same style during his tenure at tottenham? 06/07 and 07/08 he scored 23 goals each season.

we still havent seen obertan in United shirt

Internazionale have never been relegated from the Italian top flight in their entire history, which dates back all the way to 1908; a fact Nerazzurri fans hold in high regard.

Vieri - 103 goals in 144app for Inter

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Added on August 30, 2009, 4:51 pmYes same style better attitude. Attitude is different from style.

This post has been edited by Tak3shi: Aug 30 2009, 04:51 PM

u dont get it do u.. it was a sarcastic remark ler....

This post has been edited by ToddStarz: Aug 30 2009, 04:56 PM

Hahaha, you who are sitting in front of the screen in the room know so much about Berbatov's attitude heh?

I'd probly accept some whining from Berba haters if he played the whole 90 mins or something. But to sprout all that trash despite having him on the field for what.. 15mins? Like, seriously. Yes, last season he wasnt quite the player whom most would cheer for (other than when he does his magic). But then again, for the past few matches or so he did tried to at least tackle a lil bit more and so on, no? Like, why draft the comparison between him and Terez? This particular topic had been discussed over and over again.

I aint a Berba lover. But I certainly dont b**** and whine hoping that every player that came in are to resemble the players we lost (to oth clubs).