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post Aug 30 2009, 02:45 PM

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Should've let Owen played instead of Berba doh.gif
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post Aug 30 2009, 02:47 PM

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Agreed. Berba played like an old man.
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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Aug 30 2009, 02:47 PM)
Agreed. Berba played like an old man.
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I still remember the pain Gallas inflicted on me when he scored the last minute equalising goal at Emirates.

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so the next game is against spurs

another tough game based on their current form

got another 12days before the match

hopefully the like rio, evans can fit for the match


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post Aug 30 2009, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(tommy81 @ Aug 30 2009, 02:30 PM)
huh?!why said so?! hmm.gif where u from?!see really know me or not?! tongue.gif
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Kuching. You same also right?
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QUOTE(nshady @ Aug 30 2009, 03:13 PM)
Kuching. You same also right?
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QUOTE(tommy81 @ Aug 30 2009, 03:21 PM)
no!u are wrong!u make mistake!
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I see. Do you know Jasper? lol.

Anyway, spurs game will be a tough one. They have a very good form atm. Still with their winning streak tongue.gif
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We will be winning streak killer... wink.gif flex.gif
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It's not about berba playing like an oldman, it's his bloody attitude! Why can't he have 1/2 the attitude of rooney he is so passionate every time he plays!
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QUOTE(Tak3shi @ Aug 30 2009, 03:28 PM)
It's not about berba playing like an oldman, it's his bloody attitude! Why can't he have 1/2 the attitude of rooney he is so passionate every time he plays!
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I agreed. Everytime you look at his playing you'll see he's so dull like a stone. Why can he make more run instead of waiting at the 6 yard box? is it because of SAF tactic?
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QUOTE(nshady @ Aug 30 2009, 03:22 PM)
I see. Do you know Jasper? lol.

Anyway, spurs game will be a tough one. They have a very good form atm. Still with their winning streak tongue.gif
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yup!spurs very form recent!
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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Aug 30 2009, 03:33 PM)
I agreed. Everytime you look at his playing you'll see he's so dull like a stone. Why can he make more run instead of waiting at the 6 yard box? is it because of SAF tactic?
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it's Berba we're talking here.that's his style of play.he maybe doesn't run that much but when he has the ball, he has the ability to create something out of nothing. his reading and vision of the game is brilliant, his flicks and passes are special.just let Rooney do the running.

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wah, new thread d ar?? those who said roon dived for the pen, pls look at arse's eboue before spitting that 'dive' word out. and oso eduardo.
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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Aug 30 2009, 03:33 PM)
I agreed. Everytime you look at his playing you'll see he's so dull like a stone. Why can he make more run instead of waiting at the 6 yard box? is it because of SAF tactic?
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Since the start i've seen him play. He's been damn lazy. Everytime he lose the ball and get tackle he will have the moaning face look and try to give the whining look to the referee. At least Rooney tries not to go down and after he goes down he tries to get the ball back. Berbatov just throws his hands into the air!

I don't fault his skill but his attitude pissing me off. At least Tevez had 70% of his talent but 5 times his work rate and attitude on the pitch.

That said, if he's not so emo he really can be brilliant. Let's wait till the season ends.
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I never want to see 433 again...unless we have someone with speed & accuracy on our side. It's too big of a gamble. We're saved because of Fletcher's outstanding performance.
You just have to accept that in the big games, that formation will be used whether you like it or not. If it wasn't for that formation, we probably would have lost the game.

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No one mobile enough at the centre besides Fletch. He has great engine, but need someone more in the creative side with similar agility or mobile.

Think players like Diego, or Iniesta. Someone similar. If we have someone like that, then the 433 formation will work. Giggs is not young anymore. So

is Scholes. Gibson I think better suit to play deeper or at least in defensive post rather than offensive one. And let the forwards do the running. I

watched how Inter destroyed Milans defense with good passing and teamwork liao. So nice to watch. tongue.gif But Inter is strong in midfield. Thats what

United really lacking now. Need Hargo back quickly!
AC Milan is crap. Now without Kaka, they're crapper than ever. But Inter does look good, but they're nothing special IMO. Good midfield they may have, but last season couldn't do a thing against us.

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- No creativity from midfield.
- No final pass.
- Hesitant when in front of Goal.
- Lost possession one too many times due to misplaced passes.
- No chemistry between players, often missing each others runs and passes.
- Very little shots on goal.
- Dozed of the last 5 minutes of the game in extra time. (Berbatov was crap, he didn't even play like he wanted to be on the pitch, so damn lazy) The goal ruled offside from Van Persie was because one of our players was sleeping when the ball was passed to him, that could have cost us 2 points!
- Arsenal played with more intent of getting the win.
- Bad tactics, to play on the flanks when our right winger isn't up to par, both their fullbacks did a good job against our wingers.
- Giggs went missing, lost possession way too many times, especially on crucial moments i would rate him a 4 if not for his "assist" with the Diaby goal.

Positives
- Broke up possession.
- Defended well.
- Quick counter attacking (passes in the final 3rd let us down, together with the 1st touch and hesitant attitude of some players)
- Brown did a decent job considering he hasn't played in a while.
- Fletcher did well, except for the missed opportunity, but he is not RVN so he's forgiven for that.

We won this time due to the mistakes from their keeper and the defender. Even in the games in Wigan, i hope we start to gel or we'll be in trouble real soon.

Don't expect Champion league victory this season, i'd be contented if we retained the league.
Both side misplace passes. It was that kind of a game with both sides looking to cancel each other out. But Giggs was frustrating in the first half at least. He had a lot of good chances to create something but always found a way to mess them up.

We had a lot of final pass in the end, but one way or another, we mess them up at crucial times. And in the first half if it wasn't for Giggs somehow messing them up, we would have a lot.

It's only 5 games into the season, so you would expect them not to be at their best yet in terms of team play.

Arsenal played with more intent of getting the win? What kind of bull is that. We both wanted to win the match... we're the one who got the 2nd goal, and of course they would try their best to get their own 2nd goal so they won't lose. They mess up, just like we did when we should have got the 3rd goal..

Bad tactics? It was perfect to counter Arsenal with their movement. As shown in the past that formation is effective for the big games although it doesn't always look pretty on the eye. What do you suggest then? We play 442 with the same player on the right wing? Same thing.. notworthy.gif

As for our creativity, this is the midfield for the last few seasons which supported our attacks to great effect. You've been banging on and on about it, but name me again who started in midfield last few seasons? It's not about looking back at the past, but if we are so crap, we wouldn't have managed to score so many goals or even be as successful as we did, with or without Ronaldo.
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QUOTE(Tak3shi @ Aug 30 2009, 03:28 PM)
It's not about berba playing like an oldman, it's his bloody attitude! Why can't he have 1/2 the attitude of rooney he is so passionate every time he plays!
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Why so negative? You brought negativity with you and affectig other people around you everywhere? Why? Pool & Arsenal thread too? Why?
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Valencia still hasn't found his groove yet in United shirt....hopefully his sub-par performance is because he hasn't gel with the team yet, and not the psychological burden of his price tag, and the crowds anticipation of his status as "ronaldo replacement"....
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i believe this takeshi is just a troll .. lol
berba is old man now. now the teams has to buy rooney type of players meaning those skillful players like iniesta, messi xabi alonso ... all those are shitty players cos they dun run alot. we must buy those headless chicken but run alot like kuyt tevez and all ????

seriously takeshi just stfu la abt berba. he missed so what? tell me one striker that has never missed in their football career and will burn my berba jersey.

rooney always score goals ah??? remember last season 2 mth drought????????

if i wan to aim one person to blame i would have blame giggs yesterday cos his decision making yesterday was damn bad cos he played the hard pass rather than the easy and got intercepted ...
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QUOTE(Wan @ Aug 30 2009, 03:58 PM)
AC Milan is crap. Now without Kaka, they're crapper than ever. But Inter does look good, but they're nothing special IMO. Good midfield they may have, but last season couldn't do a thing against us.

QUOTE(Tak3shi)
- No creativity from midfield.
- No final pass.
- Hesitant when in front of Goal.
- Lost possession one too many times due to misplaced passes.
- No chemistry between players, often missing each others runs and passes.
- Very little shots on goal.
- Dozed of the last 5 minutes of the game in extra time. (Berbatov was crap, he didn't even play like he wanted to be on the pitch, so damn lazy) The goal ruled offside from Van Persie was because one of our players was sleeping when the ball was passed to him, that could have cost us 2 points!
- Arsenal played with more intent of getting the win.
- Bad tactics, to play on the flanks when our right winger isn't up to par, both their fullbacks did a good job against our wingers.
- Giggs went missing, lost possession way too many times, especially on crucial moments i would rate him a 4 if not for his "assist" with the Diaby goal.

Positives
- Broke up possession.
- Defended well.
- Quick counter attacking (passes in the final 3rd let us down, together with the 1st touch and hesitant attitude of some players)
- Brown did a decent job considering he hasn't played in a while.
- Fletcher did well, except for the missed opportunity, but he is not RVN so he's forgiven for that.

We won this time due to the mistakes from their keeper and the defender. Even in the games in Wigan, i hope we start to gel or we'll be in trouble real soon.

Don't expect Champion league victory this season, i'd be contented if we retained the league.
Both side misplace passes. It was that kind of a game with both sides looking to cancel each other out. But Giggs was frustrating in the first half at least. He had a lot of good chances to create something but always found a way to mess them up.

We had a lot of final pass in the end, but one way or another, we mess them up at crucial times. And in the first half if it wasn't for Giggs somehow messing them up, we would have a lot.

It's only 5 games into the season, so you would expect them not to be at their best yet in terms of team play.

Arsenal played with more intent of getting the win? What kind of bull is that. We both wanted to win the match... we're the one who got the 2nd goal, and of course they would try their best to get their own 2nd goal so they won't lose. They mess up, just like we did when we should have got the 3rd goal..

Bad tactics? It was perfect to counter Arsenal with their movement. As shown in the past that formation is effective for the big games although it doesn't always look pretty on the eye. What do you suggest then? We play 442 with the same player on the right wing? Same thing.. notworthy.gif

As for our creativity, this is the midfield for the last few seasons which supported our attacks to great effect. You've been banging on and on about it, but name me again who started in midfield last few seasons? It's not about looking back at the past, but if we are so crap, we wouldn't have managed to score so many goals or even be as successful as we did, with or without Ronaldo.
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Last few seasons we had Ronaldo, who could score with either foot, head, had great finishing ability, freekicks, opened up play by drawing defenders to him, outside shot, had great chemistry for the link up plays, could hold the ball.

And even with him we got outplayed in the Champions League, now after having lost our most influential player, replace by one with only 1/2 of his abilities.

Unlike you i'm not bias, all of them were chasing us all over the pitch, harrying our def/mid/att. Some of our players were too busy ball watching to bother helping out, i could say almost all of the Arsenal players were closing down the entire pitch, look at the number of interceptions they got compared to us, we could not hold the ball for even 2seconds before they come and double team us. Whereas, they had the ball some of our players were often watching and waiting for it.

I'm not saying we played that badly but if we wanted to win it was about 8/10 while arsenal was about 9/10.

Btw, i'm impressed with the few times valencia and nani backtracked to help defend.

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