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Thumpy Ick
post Aug 29 2009, 12:46 PM

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i bet the man utd players are gonna hassle eduardo about the dive relentlessly. i hope the man is prepared to take some physical and mental beating and pay it back twice. VP, bring ur scoring boots mate!
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post Aug 29 2009, 01:11 PM

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Some people are getting it wrong. We are angry not because it's an Arsenal player that's been singled out, but because Uefa is attempting to do something that will create even more controversies. It's a promise that will prove impossible to keep.

I sense that they will have to make a u-turn on this later. I hope they'll do it BEFORE Dudu has to serve his ban. Doing a u-turn after Dudu has served his ban will only make us angrier.

Wenger is not a legendary football player and he is not a president of Uefa but one thing for sure, Arsene Wenger > Michel Platini.
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QUOTE(nLz | Lanpakali @ Aug 29 2009, 11:26 AM)
yo ryan, i thk if come 10.30 alrd pack ;p

cause liverpool's playing at 10...

and ac's not short of kops.. wink.gif suggestion though...

im most likely to be there at 8 lol
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yeah...i agree with u on 10.30 it will be packed....8 is too early 4 me simply because i have to break fast 1st at home with my family...huhuhu...i hope i can arrive there at 9pm the earliest n still get seats....but i also hope there is an alternative if AC gets too packed....nonetheless im still rclxm9.gif bout 2nite!!!GUNNERS FTW!!!!! thumbup.gif
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ryan.. i'll SMS u on my whereabouts...
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post Aug 29 2009, 02:06 PM

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the match is tonite or 2moro nite? im kinda confuse....
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post Aug 29 2009, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(Nidz @ Aug 29 2009, 02:06 PM)
the match is tonite or 2moro nite? im kinda confuse....
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tonight. 12midnite..
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I'm only interested in this part of the comments.

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Not only is this being blown out of proportion, but people are missing the point...

Yes - Eduardo simulated more contact than was necessary

Yes - It was not a penalty

These are not the things that Wenger is upset about, it is the fact that Eduardo has been singled out and vilified for comitting an offence (and it is an offence) that happens regularly at all levels of the game... Unfortunately.

Now the real question is the timing and origin of the complaint.
Day before a big game against United, Scottish FA implore that UEFA look into the matter... You think Ferguson didn't call a couple of his associates at the SFA and ask for a little more ruckus than was necessary... Coincedence? I think not...

Whenever an English player is caught in the act (Rooney @ Old Trafford, after 49 games unbeaten, Young TWICE last night!) it's said that they "won" the penalty, they're just doing what "they" do... These are the reasons that Wenger is incensed, the sheer hypocrisy of the governing bodies and the people that run them


Looks quite plausible. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(meaj @ Aug 29 2009, 01:11 PM)
Some people are getting it wrong. We are angry not because it's an Arsenal player that's been singled out, but because Uefa is attempting to do something that will create even more controversies. It's a promise that will prove impossible to keep.

I sense that they will have to make a u-turn on this later. I hope they'll do it BEFORE Dudu has to serve his ban. Doing a u-turn after Dudu has served his ban will only make us angrier.

Wenger is not a legendary football player and he is not a president of Uefa but one thing for sure, Arsene Wenger > Michel Platini.
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Do you listen to yourself speak? I have liverpool friends and they all admit they are overtly bias when it comes to liverpool, you my dear sir are saying that the lot of you here aren't bias. It's ok if it happens to other teams it's ok but oh when it happens to arsenal cry me a river. At the end of the season you'll be blaming the whole world again for your crappy season. Whine more won't you, like you did last season.

The words you said make you sound holier than the pope! Not bias, statement of the century!
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post Aug 29 2009, 02:52 PM

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How come with this uproar about Eduardo when Cristy Ronaldo have been diving all the time at MU?
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just to share some video.. rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif




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post Aug 29 2009, 03:06 PM

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just read in the official site , that dropping eduardo to the bench against man utd came across AW's mind.. =(

to protect him? i thk if he is to play, eduardo wont get any protection from the ref
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QUOTE(Tak3shi @ Aug 29 2009, 12:08 PM)
bcos cr was carded a number of times, for diving and this guy got scot free.

So next time just be honest and admitted he dived so he wont get banned, don't be stupid and try to get away with it and you bigger punishment! haha.

Why is the punishment bigger? u try to run away from crime instead of admitting wrong of course punishment bigger. If he admit ask for reduce punishment he wont get all this shit, lie some more longer ban.

Don't keep on whining la, just let the teams play the match, whine only clever. how many seasons liao want to whine this shit that shit.
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Bollocks.

Be honest and admitted that he dived? Which player does that on the pitch? A dive is wrong, but the penalty was given; but you don't expect Dudu to intentionally shoot the ball wide, right? Even if he refuses to take the penalty, the other team mates will step up and shoot it anyway.

You don't get the point about the argument, do you? A dive is a yellow card offence, and should remain as such. There's no proper way to decide what's deemed as "intentionally cheating the referee" as mentioned in Article 10, since other petty actions like shirt tugging can be considered as well.

If Dudu gets the two match ban, then there's not much we can do about it. But like Arsene said, we (and every other team) will be able to moan about every decision from now on and UEFA is going to have a lot of dirty work to do. If they keep this up we'll be seeing lots of retrospective charges after every round of matches. Good luck UEFA, you guys will be shit busy from now on.

Don't bring in CR or Gerrard or Rooney into this. All of them either got away scot free or was yellow carded, and none of them were retrospectively charged and banned. I'm not going to say that all three of them should be charged now since it won't mean anything, but what is happening now merely justifies Arsene's outburst that Dudu is being singled out.

Read this to have an idea of what this retrospective charge will do to future games:
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1.UEFA claim the charge is based on Article 10, paragraph 1c of the UEFA disciplinary regulations (misconduct of players) which states: 'Players may be suspended for two competition matches, or for a specified period, for acting with the obvious intent to cause any match official to make an incorrect decision or supporting his error of judgment and thereby causing him to make an incorrect decision.' So are we to expect that players will now be awarded two match suspensions for sticking their arms in the air and claiming the ball has gone out for a corner when they know full well it is a goal kick? How about when a defender trips a player in the area and the referee does not award the penalty, will the defender be retrospectively banned for not picking the ball up, spotting it up and telling the referee, "No guv, got it wrong, I tripped him"?

2. Charging Eduardo retrospectively also sets a precedent which they must follow up. But first they are going to have to clarify whether a referee`s decision is or is not final. It is a UEFA Directive that states that if the referee has seen an incident and adjudicated it, then the action cannot be reviewed.
http://www.arsenal.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=515827


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i think all has been blown out of proportion. We'll see what's gonna happen. if Dudu is banned for 2 matches, then floodgate has been open. you'll see a lot of managers crying foul and referees being undermined.
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QUOTE(StarGhazzer @ Aug 29 2009, 03:13 PM)
Bollocks.

Be honest and admitted that he dived? Which player does that on the pitch? A dive is wrong, but the penalty was given; but you don't expect Dudu to intentionally shoot the ball wide, right? Even if he refuses to take the penalty, the other team mates will step up and shoot it anyway.

You don't get the point about the argument, do you? A dive is a yellow card offence, and should remain as such. There's no proper way to decide what's deemed as "intentionally cheating the referee" as mentioned in Article 10, since other petty actions like shirt tugging can be considered as well. 

If Dudu gets the two match ban, then there's not much we can do about it. But like Arsene said, we (and every other team) will be able to moan about every decision from now on and UEFA is going to have a lot of dirty work to do. If they keep this up we'll be seeing lots of retrospective charges after every round of matches. Good luck UEFA, you guys will be shit busy from now on.

Don't bring in CR or Gerrard or Rooney into this. All of them either got away scot free or was yellow carded, and none of them were retrospectively charged and banned. I'm not going to say that all three of them should be charged now since it won't mean anything, but what is happening now merely justifies Arsene's outburst that Dudu is being singled out.

Read this to have an idea of what this retrospective charge will do to future games:

http://www.arsenal.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=515827
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Hello, if you were speeding and the police chased you. Instead of stopping you ran away what do you think your punishment will be? The same as when you just stopped?

Hello if a player gets booked for a dive he has served his punishment and didn't benefit from it, eduardo benefited from it. Use your brains for crying out loud, if you have one.

At least they AW could have appealed and said they are sorry and admitted fault instead they go on with their "cry me a river" tirade.

The 2 match ban is subjective, have you ever been to court? Do they always issue the maximum sentence for the same offense? My post(with you) stops right now because, you can't see logic, plain bias stupidity.

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Honestly i like the way arsenal plays but you bunch of whiny ass supporters(not all) can't get the crap out of your eyes, bias to the core so much so you can't see logic.
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QUOTE(Tak3shi @ Aug 29 2009, 04:42 PM)
Hello, if you were speeding and the police chased you. Instead of stopping you ran away what do you think your punishment will be? The same as when you just stopped?

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So are you suggesting that players sticking their arms out for a corner kick when it's a goal kick should be given a card or ban as well?

And I do not think it's a good example of comparing the situation with the situation you had given.
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QUOTE(Tak3shi @ Aug 29 2009, 04:42 PM)
Hello, if you were speeding and the police chased you. Instead of stopping you ran away what do you think your punishment will be? The same as when you just stopped?

Hello if a player gets booked for a dive he has served his punishment and didn't benefit from it, eduardo benefited from it. Use your brains for crying out loud, if you have one.

At least they AW  could have appealed and said they are sorry and admitted fault instead they go on with their "cry me a river" tirade.

The 2 match ban is subjective, have you ever been to court? Do they always issue the maximum sentence for the same offense? My post(with you) stops right now because, you can't see logic, plain bias stupidity.

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Honestly i like the way arsenal plays but you bunch of whiny ass supporters(not all) can't get the crap out of your eyes, bias to the core so much so you can't see logic.
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hi thar..boleh tahan bahasa ko nih

if u have guts to bash our eduardo, why don't you bash also ashley young also? ronaldo, rooney, drogba, gerrard? Do you have any balls to report to UEFA on how rooney blatantly diving against us?

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Honestly i like the way man u (or whatever team) plays but you bunch of blindly ass supporters(not all) can't get the crap out of your eyes, bias to the core so much so you can't see logic.


Bro..just GTFO

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in the words of arseblogger...
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We're going there in good shape, in good spirits and, I'm sure, determined to show United that it's no longer men against boys. I mean, we all know that anyway. It was never men against boys.

It was us against cunts.

So it was, so it shall be, cunts without end.


hehehheheh...man. i'm pumped! flex.gif flex.gif flex.gif
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QUOTE(Corrupted Spirits @ Aug 29 2009, 04:54 PM)
So are you suggesting that players sticking their arms out for a corner kick when it's a goal kick should be given a card or ban as well?

And I do not think it's a good example of comparing the situation with the situation you had given.
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Didn't you read what i posted on top?

QUOTE(Tak3shi @ Aug 29 2009, 04:42 PM)
The 2 match ban is subjective, have you ever been to court? Do they always issue the maximum sentence for the same offense?

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Eduardo benefited with a penalty and they ruled that the offense was harsh enough(considering that he benefited from it) taking together player's actions and his lack of remorse. It's a rule that has always been there, it's up to the enforcers to enforce the rule.


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QUOTE(little_mozart @ Aug 29 2009, 04:58 PM)
hi thar..boleh tahan bahasa ko nih

if u have guts to bash our eduardo, why don't you bash also ashley young also? ronaldo, rooney, drogba, gerrard? Do you have any balls to report to UEFA on how rooney blatantly diving against us?

p.s
Honestly i like the way man u (or whatever team) plays but you bunch of blindly ass supporters(not all) can't get the crap out of your eyes, bias to the core so much so you can't see logic.


Bro..just GTFO
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Haha, getting all emo aren't you? It's like you get caught for robbing a bank and the press prints your face on the front page and you go, "why you gay press/people always bash me"

Dah salah tak nak insaf, lg2 bulan ramadhan, tambah pahala tu.

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whoa, long essays to read here.. pity capi injured, would have loved to see him play against mu. i think we will miss him a bit, hopefully not so much. but still i am gonna be scared that he cant play. =( and i dont wanna talk abt dudu. it pisses me off when i read what the other ppl wrote and say about him. oh btw, enjoy ur gathering guys. make sure AC is arsenal ground, not mu! =P
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QUOTE(Tak3shi @ Aug 29 2009, 05:07 PM)
Didn't you read what i posted on top?
Eduardo benefited with a penalty and they ruled that the offense was harsh enough(considering that he benefited from it) taking together player's actions and his lack of remorse. It's a rule that has always been there, it's up to the enforcers to enforce the rule.


Added on August 29, 2009, 5:15 pm

Haha, getting all emo aren't you? It's like you get caught for robbing a bank and the press prints your face on the front page and you go, "why you gay press/people always bash me"

Dah salah tak nak insaf, lg2 bulan ramadhan, tambah pahala tu.
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GTFO la bro..i don't see shit in ur meaningless post

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