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TSZeratoS
post Aug 19 2009, 04:21 AM, updated 17y ago

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Tyrian purple, probably the rarest dyestuff to exist in the world currently. Known also as Royal/Imperial Purple or Dye, it comes from the marine gastropod Murex brandaris. To create 1 gm of it takes 3500 of these creatures. Imagine that.

The object of today's post is rather in tie with that. Imagine for a moment that you are looking at "?". Now what is that? Logic reasons that it is but a mere question mark. And correct it is!

But now, let me impose another question upon you. What is this -> "¿". To everyone, isn't it just an inversed question mark? Truly enough, it is. But why not let creativity wander? To the uncreative it remains as only that, but had you just thought a little, could it be a hook? Perhaps half a lightbulb. What ties this to the post's title is probably the fact that such brilliant thinkers are rare enough, without the added fact that outlets for expressing such creativity are limited. With the lack of effort put in by the country's administration, much less with the political circus that is going on right now I'd guess we're at a dead end here.

Remember the question mark again. Is it ever going to be just a question mark? Why not call it a challenge to the views and ideals of another? Perhaps we could see it as a need to find out answers and to explore the mysteries that exist around us.

So rare it is nowadays to find such people, that we are but a minority in the eyes of society. And what? No longer do we have the inquisitive generation of pioneers who took a shot at everything, poked their noses into everything and tried hands on before asking "How to?". Born now are people who ask first before trying, preferring to be spoonfed rather than to experience the adventure. People who want to know the climax before actually having any storyline/plot development happen. Sad isn't it?

I'll let you reflect upon it, and as to whether you fall under the category of the minority or the majority is really up to you.


I crafted this post on my blog a few months back, and having discussed this with my mother plenty a time ; I still really cannot grasp as to why this occurs. So my question to those present is simple.

To what extent have we lost our creativity as humans. And of what cause can this be put on? Advancement in technology seems to be a rather plausible cause here. As it seems, children these days are becoming more lazy and straightforward in context with studying and the like. Being only 19 myself, I still am able to see how skewered society has become, with everything being just a touch away.

So, hopefully this hasn't been discussed prior to my posting, and I hope some good knowledge can be garnered from this.
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post Aug 19 2009, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(ZeratoS @ Aug 19 2009, 04:21 AM)
I crafted this post on my blog a few months back, and having discussed this with my mother plenty a time ; I still really cannot grasp as to why this occurs. So my question to those present is simple.

To what extent have we lost our creativity as humans. And of what cause can this be put on? Advancement in technology seems to be a rather plausible cause here. As it seems, children these days are becoming more lazy and straightforward in context with studying and the like. Being only 19 myself, I still am able to see how skewered society has become, with everything being just a touch away.

So, hopefully this hasn't been discussed prior to my posting, and I hope some good knowledge can be garnered from this.
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Necessity is the mother of innovation.

<< To what extent have we lost our creativity as humans. And of what cause can this be put on? Advancement in technology seems to be a rather plausible cause here. As it seems, children these days are becoming more lazy and straightforward in context with studying and the like.>>

No. This has NOTHING to do with advancement of technology. It is VERY SIMPLE. Most children are SPOILED by their parent. When everything is handled and arranged by your parent and you have NOTHING to worry about, you LOST your resourcefulness.

Necessity is the mother of innovation.

When we were YOUNG and POOR, we had NO MONEY. So, we have to make our own toys out of junks. We did not play computer games. We created our own games.

No, we did not had the LUXURY of study only. We have to help with family business or chores in order to survive. Some of us are from farm family. We had to work in the farm plus studying.

When I went to college, I had to work in order to pay my way through college.

I had to be RESOURCEFUL, INNOVATIVE, CREATIVE or I do not survive.

Necessity is the mother of innovation.

If I put you in an island with nothing, you will be CREATIVE in no time or you do not survive.

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post Aug 19 2009, 11:17 AM

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As the saying goes “Those who do not remember the past, are condemned to repeat it.” Unfortunately, it appears that history may not have been well remembered by many.

With adverse circumstances, you ARE FORCED TO learn the creativity of survival. Unless you do not want to survive...

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post Aug 19 2009, 11:19 AM

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are we losing our creativity? i beg to differ. i think the human creativity and ingenuity is increasing. it is just not noticable becaus everyone has an idea nowadays and we seldom take notice

when i wach shows like a step beyond and new inventors i cant help but say

"that is creative.. why didn't i think of that?

just a question to TS.. why do you think humans are less creative these days?
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Some say the source of creativity is imagination. A lot of times we dream or imagine what we want, and when we are determined to act on our imagination, we begin to "create". It's all in the mind and whether we will it to work "overtime" or otherwise. When we are complacent, our minds just tend to slow down and we become sort of "lazy". We are happy with what and who we are and that is when we lack initiative to do anything else or try anything new. It takes courage too to step out of our comfort zone and "create" something else or something new. Hence, other than imagination, we also require courage to be creative.

So before we say that we have lost our creativity, maybe we should also look at whether we are lacking in imagination at this time and age. Is there nothing left to the imagination anymore? Or are we so comfortable that we do not see the need to be creative?

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post Aug 19 2009, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(Mark_Renton @ Aug 19 2009, 11:19 AM)
are we losing our creativity? i beg to differ. i think the human creativity and ingenuity is increasing. it is just not noticable becaus everyone has an idea nowadays and we seldom take notice

when i wach shows like a step beyond and new inventors i cant help but say

"that is creative.. why didn't i think of that?

just a question to TS.. why do you think humans are less creative these days?
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Perhaps you may be correct. Its just an observation, but I notice kids these days are rather content with asking rather than searching on their own. Instead of looking at things from a different angle, they believe it to be set in stone.

So Joey, because we have become too comfortable and do not face hardship, that we lose our creativity? At least that's what I can garner from your post. People are becoming complacent simply because we have everything so easy for us. Yes, it may not be easy to earn a living now, but compared to how our forefathers had it, we're living like kings.

I actually remember playing with LEGO alot back then, simply because there wasn't any computer games to play with. Back then one would craft some wild imaginative story while playing with toys. Now, my brothers simply log on the computer and play Starcraft all day. Indeed I feel that I have been blessed compared to many less fortunate than I, because I do not have to slave my butt off to make ends meet and I can always see food on the table. But don't you think we have to suffer a little before we can truly appreciate what we're capable of?
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ah now you mentioned video games and lego i finally get your point. in that case i think the ENVIRONMENT plays a part. its up to the humans to use their creative part of the brain. i myself grew up with lego coz video games are considered evil by my parents. hahah.

but i think video game also created other forms of creativity. you will find people exploiting hit boxes, level glitch , create cheats, improvise tactics , find new ways to use a unit and so on to gain advantage

i think that also counts as creativity right? it might not be your typical interpetation of what "creativity" means but i do believe it should be classified as one too.
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Hmm, you're right on that one. Really can't argue with that doh.gif Its pretty evident with all the modders out there right now. Another way of putting it would be "the desire to be better than the crowd" that prompts people to start tinkering around in hopes of finding something others have not.

Hah, so there IS still hope left for us humans after all. But still, one does begin to wonder when so many resources are available to us, people still do not make full use of them.
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the world is becoming more competitive, yes?

hence people are actually forced to be more creative to compete in the increasingly leveled playing field.

people from the older generations are more closed and simple minded imho. for example, women just had to learn to be feminine, cook, clean and take care of the household. it's not the same now.
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QUOTE(map @ Aug 19 2009, 02:14 PM)
the world is becoming more competitive, yes?

hence people are actually forced to be more creative to compete in the increasingly leveled playing field.

people from the older generations are more closed and simple minded imho. for example, women just had to learn to be feminine, cook, clean and take care of the household. it's not the same now.
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You are encroaching on conservativeness already. But I guess there are many forms of being creative. Maybe we should also take a look at this from the viewpoint of the pre-working class people. Say, students?

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post Aug 19 2009, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(map @ Aug 19 2009, 02:14 PM)
the world is becoming more competitive, yes?

hence people are actually forced to be more creative to compete in the increasingly leveled playing field.

people from the older generations are more closed and simple minded imho. for example, women just had to learn to be feminine, cook, clean and take care of the household. it's not the same now.
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i would not call it simple mindedness. i think its all down to tradition and how they are brought up. a victorian gentlemen would be shocked to see how the peple in teh sixties lived. he might be revolted. 16 century noblemen would probably be appalled by the reforms made by the victorians to ensure there are no child labourers! its just the standards on what is acceptable changes over time.



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Creativity is in my blood as an old time artist though getting rusty, criminal need creativity to pull off a robbery, corrupted people found ways to receive advantage, government can change rather than through election shows creativity never stop.

If there is a will, there are many ways, its human nature that power evolution.

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QUOTE(3dassets @ Aug 19 2009, 03:42 PM)
Creativity is in my blood as an old time artist though getting rusty, criminal need creativity to pull off a robbery, corrupted people found ways to receive advantage, government can change rather than through election shows creativity never stop.

If there is a will, there are many ways, its human nature that power evolution.
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Yes that is correct, without creativity there is no innovation, with no innovation there is no advancement. However do you not notice the lackadasical attitude present in plenty of our youths today? I'm not speaking about those born prior to the 1990's, or so to say before the IT era. Since when was it possible for us to play games on the computer then, aside from those really really classic games. Back then it was all (as Spongebob so aptly put it), imagination. Which is in fact, the base of creativity.
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QUOTE(ZeratoS @ Aug 19 2009, 01:41 PM)
So Joey, because we have become too comfortable and do not face hardship, that we lose our creativity? At least that's what I can garner from your post. People are becoming complacent simply because we have everything so easy for us. Yes, it may not be easy to earn a living now, but compared to how our forefathers had it, we're living like kings.
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Have you ever watch McGyver? It pretty much summed up there. As the saying goes, "You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs".

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TS, it seems you look at creativity at a very narrow point of view. You do not look at larger picture - from all level of society.

From creativity, complexity is derived. This society becomes more and more complex because of high competitiveness from all creative ppl we have around us.

As many have mentioned earlier that necessity is the mother of innovation and creativity. Our children are pampered very early from the day they r born. They will not realize what is creativity until they are off to survive on their own. That is where creativity becomes the necessity.

If you say overall this society is losing its creativity, I do not agree with you. Probably u r right when u say our kids are losing creativity. But not all level of society are.

You see how creative ppl are when they try to scam ppl:
- Maybank2u phishing site
- Call ppl up to say: I already kidnap your daughter, pls bank in money to...bla...bla..bla...
More and more scamming techniques coming up daily...they are getting more and more creative...

More and more gadgets coming up daily to tempt you to spend money:
- Iphone 3Gs
- Garmin GPS
- Canon EOS 5DM2

More and more ppl writing books and earn millions out of it:
- Robert Kiyosaki
- J K Rowling

More and more corrupted politicians so creative that they can make millions out of public money:
- XXXxx
- xxxXXX
(they will put me into ISA under seditious act if I put it in words)

More and more entrepreneur are coming up with ideas to keep your mind occupied, while they are making billions out of it:
- Mark Zuckerberg (Facebook)
- Jack Dorsey (Twitter)

If you are saying Malaysians not creative enough then I do agree....but overall, we are getting smarter!
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Yes I agree tongue.gif Perhaps I should clarify this when I target those of a younger generation. Its pretty clear that those already working and beyond grew up in a different setting altogether, hence the different field of thought. You see, most of your examples were the creation and innovation of people who grew up prior to the IT boom. Indeed we cannot deny that creativity exists there, because were it to not exist, then how are they to survive in the rapidly changing world? There's no denial in the fact that people going out into the working world are pretty creative and can come up with some darn good ideas, but what about the children being spoonfed with everything now? I guess that's the question.

Should I reconstruct the post with those of a younger age group in mind? So yes, please forgive me for not being more specific. It was meant for those growing up in the now. sweat.gif

Edit : I glanced through a second time, yup I can wholeheartedly agree that we have to suffer to a certain degree to fully appreciate what we can do. And therein lies another problem! Because we have things so easy now, WILL we lose part of our creativity or not?

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the world is becoming more competitive, yes?

hence people are actually forced to be more creative to compete in the increasingly leveled playing field.

people from the older generations are more closed and simple minded imho. for example, women just had to learn to be feminine, cook, clean and take care of the household. it's not the same now.
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map,

Now, who is CLOSE MINDED??

Most mothers of my generation has to help with the business and farm plus doing the house chores. Only in this generation, you have home maker only. In my parent generation, we are so poor that being a HOME MAKER only is not a luxury that a family can afford.

My mother is closed and simple minded?? Her mind is sharper than mine. She had traveled every where in the world except South America and Africa. And, she does not know English. She never finished primary school.

Compare to my mother and women now, I would women now is MORE closed, simple minded and WEAK. Most women now are WEAK. Ditto for the men too.

Now, before ANYONE argue with me. Just ask yourself, can you SURVIVE mentally and physically if 50% of your peers and parents are massacred by the Japanese Soldiers over 5 years?? They are one of the toughest people around. Simple and close minded?? You must be JOKING!!

Necessity is the mother of innovation.

They had to be VERY RESOURCEFUL in order to survive under that kind of condition.

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QUOTE(ZeratoS @ Aug 19 2009, 06:50 PM)

Edit : I glanced through a second time, yup I can wholeheartedly agree that we have to suffer to a certain degree to fully appreciate what we can do. And therein lies another problem! Because we have things so easy now, WILL we lose part of our creativity or not?
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ZeratoS,

Don't worry. Your easy life will be gone soon. This GLOBAL RECESSION will change a lot of things in Malaysia.

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Aug 19 2009, 07:15 PM)
ZeratoS,

Don't worry.  Your easy life will be gone soon.  This GLOBAL RECESSION will change a lot of things in Malaysia.

Dreamer
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Well aware of that buddy, studied Economics in college. Waiting and watching on what will happen, and saving cash too. I guess one also has to be creative when it comes to using money. nod.gif

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