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post Aug 19 2009, 04:21 AM, updated 17y ago

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Tyrian purple, probably the rarest dyestuff to exist in the world currently. Known also as Royal/Imperial Purple or Dye, it comes from the marine gastropod Murex brandaris. To create 1 gm of it takes 3500 of these creatures. Imagine that.

The object of today's post is rather in tie with that. Imagine for a moment that you are looking at "?". Now what is that? Logic reasons that it is but a mere question mark. And correct it is!

But now, let me impose another question upon you. What is this -> "¿". To everyone, isn't it just an inversed question mark? Truly enough, it is. But why not let creativity wander? To the uncreative it remains as only that, but had you just thought a little, could it be a hook? Perhaps half a lightbulb. What ties this to the post's title is probably the fact that such brilliant thinkers are rare enough, without the added fact that outlets for expressing such creativity are limited. With the lack of effort put in by the country's administration, much less with the political circus that is going on right now I'd guess we're at a dead end here.

Remember the question mark again. Is it ever going to be just a question mark? Why not call it a challenge to the views and ideals of another? Perhaps we could see it as a need to find out answers and to explore the mysteries that exist around us.

So rare it is nowadays to find such people, that we are but a minority in the eyes of society. And what? No longer do we have the inquisitive generation of pioneers who took a shot at everything, poked their noses into everything and tried hands on before asking "How to?". Born now are people who ask first before trying, preferring to be spoonfed rather than to experience the adventure. People who want to know the climax before actually having any storyline/plot development happen. Sad isn't it?

I'll let you reflect upon it, and as to whether you fall under the category of the minority or the majority is really up to you.


I crafted this post on my blog a few months back, and having discussed this with my mother plenty a time ; I still really cannot grasp as to why this occurs. So my question to those present is simple.

To what extent have we lost our creativity as humans. And of what cause can this be put on? Advancement in technology seems to be a rather plausible cause here. As it seems, children these days are becoming more lazy and straightforward in context with studying and the like. Being only 19 myself, I still am able to see how skewered society has become, with everything being just a touch away.

So, hopefully this hasn't been discussed prior to my posting, and I hope some good knowledge can be garnered from this.
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post Aug 19 2009, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(Mark_Renton @ Aug 19 2009, 11:19 AM)
are we losing our creativity? i beg to differ. i think the human creativity and ingenuity is increasing. it is just not noticable becaus everyone has an idea nowadays and we seldom take notice

when i wach shows like a step beyond and new inventors i cant help but say

"that is creative.. why didn't i think of that?

just a question to TS.. why do you think humans are less creative these days?
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Perhaps you may be correct. Its just an observation, but I notice kids these days are rather content with asking rather than searching on their own. Instead of looking at things from a different angle, they believe it to be set in stone.

So Joey, because we have become too comfortable and do not face hardship, that we lose our creativity? At least that's what I can garner from your post. People are becoming complacent simply because we have everything so easy for us. Yes, it may not be easy to earn a living now, but compared to how our forefathers had it, we're living like kings.

I actually remember playing with LEGO alot back then, simply because there wasn't any computer games to play with. Back then one would craft some wild imaginative story while playing with toys. Now, my brothers simply log on the computer and play Starcraft all day. Indeed I feel that I have been blessed compared to many less fortunate than I, because I do not have to slave my butt off to make ends meet and I can always see food on the table. But don't you think we have to suffer a little before we can truly appreciate what we're capable of?
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post Aug 19 2009, 02:08 PM

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Hmm, you're right on that one. Really can't argue with that doh.gif Its pretty evident with all the modders out there right now. Another way of putting it would be "the desire to be better than the crowd" that prompts people to start tinkering around in hopes of finding something others have not.

Hah, so there IS still hope left for us humans after all. But still, one does begin to wonder when so many resources are available to us, people still do not make full use of them.
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post Aug 19 2009, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(map @ Aug 19 2009, 02:14 PM)
the world is becoming more competitive, yes?

hence people are actually forced to be more creative to compete in the increasingly leveled playing field.

people from the older generations are more closed and simple minded imho. for example, women just had to learn to be feminine, cook, clean and take care of the household. it's not the same now.
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You are encroaching on conservativeness already. But I guess there are many forms of being creative. Maybe we should also take a look at this from the viewpoint of the pre-working class people. Say, students?

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QUOTE(3dassets @ Aug 19 2009, 03:42 PM)
Creativity is in my blood as an old time artist though getting rusty, criminal need creativity to pull off a robbery, corrupted people found ways to receive advantage, government can change rather than through election shows creativity never stop.

If there is a will, there are many ways, its human nature that power evolution.
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Yes that is correct, without creativity there is no innovation, with no innovation there is no advancement. However do you not notice the lackadasical attitude present in plenty of our youths today? I'm not speaking about those born prior to the 1990's, or so to say before the IT era. Since when was it possible for us to play games on the computer then, aside from those really really classic games. Back then it was all (as Spongebob so aptly put it), imagination. Which is in fact, the base of creativity.
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Yes I agree tongue.gif Perhaps I should clarify this when I target those of a younger generation. Its pretty clear that those already working and beyond grew up in a different setting altogether, hence the different field of thought. You see, most of your examples were the creation and innovation of people who grew up prior to the IT boom. Indeed we cannot deny that creativity exists there, because were it to not exist, then how are they to survive in the rapidly changing world? There's no denial in the fact that people going out into the working world are pretty creative and can come up with some darn good ideas, but what about the children being spoonfed with everything now? I guess that's the question.

Should I reconstruct the post with those of a younger age group in mind? So yes, please forgive me for not being more specific. It was meant for those growing up in the now. sweat.gif

Edit : I glanced through a second time, yup I can wholeheartedly agree that we have to suffer to a certain degree to fully appreciate what we can do. And therein lies another problem! Because we have things so easy now, WILL we lose part of our creativity or not?

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In the face of adversity we become better tongue.gif
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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Aug 19 2009, 07:15 PM)
ZeratoS,

Don't worry.  Your easy life will be gone soon.  This GLOBAL RECESSION will change a lot of things in Malaysia.

Dreamer
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Well aware of that buddy, studied Economics in college. Waiting and watching on what will happen, and saving cash too. I guess one also has to be creative when it comes to using money. nod.gif
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QUOTE(bgeh @ Aug 19 2009, 10:15 PM)
If that were true innovation would've been massive in the past few centuries and slowed down a lot in the past 50 years or so. This however isn't the case, is it?
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People only continue to be innovative to survive in the ever competative market. Lets face it, if you aren't special, what makes you any different from all the others out there? That on its own is already a form of "hardship". It forces people to think outside of the box.

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QUOTE(bgeh @ Aug 20 2009, 03:44 AM)
I disagree about hardship, and competition being the only motivating factors for innovation. Sure it will help the pace of innovation, but surely (as a wannabe scientist) there are other reasons for being 'innovative'?

I agree with your point mainly, but the point I was trying to get across to dreamer is that hardship isn't the only motivator for innovation, and as to your response, even competition isn't the only motivator.
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Surely there will be some who are genuinely curious, and so they will play around, resulting in discoveries. But you thrust out a good point there. What other motivators are there to nudge us in the right direction, that is, to be more creative? Already listed are nessacity and competitiveness.
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right direction was metaphorical. I guess I should have phrased it better tongue.gif

I completely forgot personal issues! Yes, you're right. Certain circumstances drive people to bypass that limit and be innovative. But really, I must then ask this ;

How many of our children these days can claim to be put under such circumstances? Some will, yes, strive simply because fate has them more unfortunate than others. I mean, were we to be lost in the forest without any help, surely one will be creative with what he/she has and make the best use out of it. Circumstances denote how we react and how we can capitalize on the situation.

Off-topic, though not completely unrelated. I think the cartoons and music these days are very much trashy. So much so that, many of the shows convey no moral values or anything worth keeping. I think it started when Nickelodeon started showing all those stupid shows that made no sense. Frankly Spongebob Squarepants was the only right thing they did. So where's the creativity in that? Cartoon animators and scriptwriters just throw out some mindless garbage with zero storyline or content and there, that's one episode. They're not even remotely funny to begin with for that matter hmm.gif

P.S : I think cartoons like Dexter's Laboratory really made me want to invent things, there's a motivator right there!

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Aug 20 2009, 10:34 AM)
ZeratoS,

If you REALLY are motivated, you will be watching

Learning channel

History Channel

Discovery Channel

National Geographic Channel

Why waste your time on cartoon channel??

Dreamer
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Small boy back then, what can I do sweat.gif Doesn't mean I didn't watch Discovery Channel & NG.

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QUOTE(jiaxun @ Aug 20 2009, 08:09 AM)
Most of the time, when a kid speaks out his/her ideas, parents will just say "just study don't think too much". So in this case, should we blame the parents as well? As we know, almost 100% parents want their kids to just study to get good result, then can get into good schools, good universities etc.
So, why can this happen? BECAUSE people nowadays only think about "MONEY" therefore doesn't want to expand their mindset, or think creatively. Hence, kids actually cannot present their ideas out until they can work their way out.
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One of the causes of, and I can agree with you. Personally, though I am very well blessed with a loving family and being well to do, I really never had the luxury of having a sibling to play with till I was 7. Even then, my brother was too young to understand anything I wanted him to understand. Early on, both my parents were working, leaving me at home ALONE with the maid. Frankly, she had household chores to take care of leaving me alone. From there, I had to come up with my own ideas for games, often involving me, my mind and my toys. In one way or another, such circumstances make us think to compensate for things we lack.

QUOTE(3dassets @ Aug 20 2009, 11:01 AM)
If a  person is lazy to learn, work and think, what kind of creativity is there? As far as I know, to materialize creativity is to derive ideas and realistic idea require knowledge. To acquire knowledge is hard work, so a lazy person who lack knowledge can only think of indecent activity than to innovate.

Criminal master head are genius too, they created mafia community and able to bridge both legitimate and the not where money and human weakness is the medium.

My profession don't rely on cert / diploma / degree, non of those will get a job that require both knowledge and practical skill that provide solution and that is how I create my presence in a no demand job condition. I wasted 20 years working hard alone until I rediscover creativity that were lost in reality. So, instead of trying to define creative ability, we should elaborate on how to harness the ability. Everyone have made their points, lets fine out how to promote and practice creative thinking, shall we?
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And that's the crunch there. The problem lies with the fact that the younger generation of children has everything laid out for them. Born with a silver spoon in their mouths or so you can say. I may be hardly one to talk, being only 19 this year. But certainly I can see the degradation in creativity here. The problem doesn't lie with the children not having it. It lies with them not using it! Why? Because they don't have to! Typical parental response to their children ;

"Go study first, worry about that later".

How to promote their mental growth if you do not encourage them?

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QUOTE(map @ Aug 20 2009, 02:33 PM)
lol so much dissatisfaction here biggrin.gif

we can all agree that 10 years from now, the world in general would have progressed forward, with newer innovations, right? hence, ppl are getting more creative.

i understand what the worry is - that kids these days just sit in front of the computer and expect awsm graphics to entertain them without them having to use their imagination. that kids graduate from school and then expect to be handed a large sum of money just because they have a degree. it's like darwin says - survival of the fittest.

among these ppl there exists creativeness.

look at yourself, for example. occasionally you do think out of the box. your brain, your mindset and your thinking is not set in stone. smile.gif
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That's the point in this debate and discussion. For everyone to see another opinion and benefit from it. That was my initial goal anyway.

But from the way things are going, namely our education system. There isn't much room to promote mental growth here since its all stereotyped already ; Study, study, exam, study, tution, study. More in favour of the western education system as it gives a more hands on approach and it encourages students to actually think out of the box. From what I can see, the whole thing is skewered in the direction of getting good grades and then getting your degree. No development whatsoever in the area of soft skills ; PR skills, etc.

Education does play a major role in harnessing one's creativity don't you think?

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Plenty of them yes. Once I went to college, no. At least those in my class were brilliant.

Yeah! I remember messing around with C and Perl simply because I wanted to make games. Learning how to use Photoshop and OpenCanvas because I envied all those artists on dA (My account is 4 years old and barren). In the end it boils down to whether the child takes the initiative to do so.

University is a whole different ball game I think. I haven't gone to university yet so I cannot comment on that.

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There is no definite definition anyway, it depends on the individual who sees creativity as what it is. This is my sentiments exactly, and also part of the question. People seem to want the short cuts now, which I highlighted in my post. Many aren't thrilled by the experience of discovering and learning, on the contrary, they just want quick answers ala instant noodles.

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QUOTE(bgeh @ Aug 20 2009, 08:41 PM)
But haven't people always wanted the short cuts? And by all means, are short cuts even bad in the first place? What if the short cuts at the lower levels help the person to spend more time being creative at higher levels?
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Then by all means, it if benefits then why not? But for things that require learning and experiencing, it becomes detrimental already. Not all short cuts are bad, but not all are good either. If you were to thrust it from a gamer's point of view (forgive me) ; then people who use cheats to gain an advantage is bad enough. Its a form of short-cuts to being pro isn't it? But in the end, they don't gain anything from it, except maybe their own perverse satisfaction.

I quote a friend here ;
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The reason why there are people who express their creativity more than others is that those people are dissatisfied with life, in many points of view. We have our priorities in life, and to such priorities do we feel a dissatisfaction, we create ways to satisfy ourselves from it.


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Um, primary example is botting and hacking. Maphack being the more common one. Perhaps you could share some positive shortcuts, because I really can't think of any at the moment ^^;

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No no. Well I guess that was wrongly phrased. I had intended to say that people just want the end results now. But anyway yes, I may be confused about this. But that's why I posted the thread in the first place! To learn biggrin.gif

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Ey! We need to relax a little here. It might be just me, but the statements sound rather angry of late.
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I believe this section is a place to learn and discuss issues and ideas, not for people to point the blame in so and so direction. Frankly, I really have learnt alot from the discussion in the past few days. My opinion is only one facet of the gem, whereas we have other sides like dreamer's and bgeh's one. Which is why I opted to post this, so I can actually learn something :<

But worst come to worst, moderators will just lock it if it gets overly heated.
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QUOTE(map @ Aug 21 2009, 01:14 AM)
if u're free, read malcolm gladwell's 'outlier' book, he reminds me that culture and heritage also plays an important role on shaping individuals.
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Will do! Have to finish some other books my dad gave me too :< That and I have to prepare for my SAT Reasoning Test. But, if I may inquire ; What is the book about? Any themes of sorts?

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