Panasonic BD60 very poor with Uncle Ho BD-R.

This post has been edited by Ngto: Aug 26 2009, 01:27 AM

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Added on August 26, 2009, 1:32 amBDP which can support TrueHD & DTS-HDMA means they can do internal decoding lar
just like PS3
not just high end players can do internal decoding

player with analog speaker out is for those old avrs which can't decode HD-audios

This post has been edited by robinlim: Aug 26 2009, 01:32 AM

this bdp-s350 still got bundling with BD's at that RM999.00

so it doesnt decode, but when bitstream to AVR its does HD-DTS MA right

checking out, seems no 2 channel analog out too

The PS3 can't bitstream HD audio to AVR, but it can decode the HD Audio first (LPCM) and then send to AVR. That means the AVR don't even need a HD audio decoder, BUT it must be able to accept the decoded LPCM HD audio sound from the PS3 via HDMI (some older AVR can't accept decoded HD Audio through HDMI). For your info, decoded HD audio and bitstream HD Audio is the same quality , both Lossless.

This post has been edited by Ngto: Aug 26 2009, 01:43 AM

Good, good, so many sifu here. Keep posting, so we can learn more about this "HD Audio" !!

recommended by uncle ho's nephews

my bd60 can't play uncle ho's stuff. i tried 3 different movies from different distributors all unable to load movie. can only load the intro only. s350 can read all 3 movies. anyway better off buy from amazon. can get less than rm60 per title with bulk order. ori some more. why pay rm48 for fake and lousy stuff.

Thanks for the info.

From what you have wrote, the BD player does not effect the HD audio sound regardless of using a rm900+ and rm2000+ BD players if I have an AVR (which supports HD audio codec) and a HDMI cable?

wahh power wer.... i never load any DVD... neither unker ho / unker lim/ nor original

Those are single layer BDs la, not DVD

In theory they should both be the same quality, but I do perceive differences between PS3 sending LPCM HD Audio vs BD60 bitstreaming HD Audio (the latter is better sounding). Only thing I can think of is that my AVR is doing a better job decoding the HD Audio than the PS3.

that's what most of the ps3 users complaining about
can only send as LPCM cannot does bitstream
cannot fully ustilize the avr to decode HD-audios

This post has been edited by robinlim: Aug 26 2009, 11:06 AM

wou...too "theory-garised" le

in layman terms, hopefully someone can shed some light

PS3 send signal to AVR
BD-60 oso send signal (same format) to AVR

so which is better
1) a normal AVR
2) a state of the art AVR

so does tis imply to all BD players that cant stream or decode HD signals internally
seriously really dont undersatnd, some output PCM and some LPCM ( are this different signals)

in depth anthology....so here it goes,... we take

1) BD player decode and stream hd signals thru HDMI to AVR

2) BD player decode PCM /LPCM stream thru HDMI to AVR( this possible or am i illusionising )
(eg sony BDP-S350 cant decode DTS-HD MA but uses AVR to decode)

3) BD player decode multi analog out to multi channel input of AVR


4) BD player pass thru multi analog and OLD AVR w/o HDMIdo the processing

comparing 1 to 2 and also 3 to 4 which would better
and oso 1 and 4

thanks, hope i am not too long winded, think many forumers who dont know how to ask, would just like to know which is better os is it the same
thanks banyak2

This post has been edited by moomoos: Aug 26 2009, 10:33 AM

doesn't matter decoding or bitstreaming....bd60 whoop ps3's a$$. so just leave it at that

i see...
so you go some uncle ho BD la? come, borrow some for me to test.
curious about the quality.

i cannot get RM60 per title from amazon lo
new title movie all above rm80

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Added on August 26, 2009, 10:45 amps3 cannot bitstream

This post has been edited by maskedchan: Aug 26 2009, 10:45 AM

i dont have. as i said my bd60 cant play those so no point for me to buy. the 3 that i tried already returned to the nephew and exchange with dvd instead. uncle ho's bd only 25gb no matter what the movie is.

between the 2, BD-60 or PS3, doesn't matter if your TV can't display all the data from the BD's 1080p signal..

so the advise is upgrade Tv before we talk about the minute differences between BD players..

I will try to answer this as simple as I can put it.

1stly, audio stream decoding.

Decoding of the Audio codecs can be either done in the BD player or the AVR.

After decoding the audio stream is in LPCM (Liner PCM, all channels have the same bits). The older PS3s hardware did not allow it to bitstream the raw lossless codecs. However, it had enough processing power to decode it to LPCM and send out the lossless data to the AVR. However, the general consensus is that possible the equalization that it carries out is not as good as the equalization that is done by the AVR during decoding. This is still being debated. One of the areas that are obvious is that for Dolby streams there is normally a dialogue normalization, among others.

Normally, BD players can decode all the streams and send out LPCM (comparable to PS3) if they have enuf processing power. The DTSHDMA that seems to require the most processing is the stream that if any the BD player cannot normally decode. However, all standalone BD players out there can bitstream the raw codecs for your AVR to decode. Most newer BD players, can decode all streams and send out LPCM or they can bitstream.

Mostly, all BD players that have analogue outs can decode all the streams and send out the individiual channels to the AVR. The only problem with this is how the bass management is handled. Some BDs have the ability to adjust this, some will not.

To explain the differences between a high end AVR and mid range AVR, in most cases the higher end AVR usually has more power thus making it easier to drive your speakers. Also normally, the high end AVRs mostly always have multi point room correction. This is an important function of an AVR (Multi EQ vs Multi EQ XT).

So after all this explanation, which is better?

This is subjective. It depends on your setup, your budget and your ears. Some people do not hear the differences lossless and lossy. Some swear there are no differences between decoding in the player and decoding in the AVR. And some say that room correction is rubbish. Audio is very subjective. Video has standards defined, unfortunately audio is not so clearly defined.

My suggestion is, examine your setup and your budget and your needs and buy accordingly.

This post has been edited by anfieldude: Aug 26 2009, 10:56 AM

lucky my sony even not full hd can display 1080/24p

to be frank now ori BD from amazon est RM60 vs RM40-50 unc ho's (no effect)

but for majority story will twist when unc's ho bd come falling to RM20 and below

yaya, typo error