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brandonleow
post Aug 26 2010, 02:19 AM

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this is still MLM... been through it.. done it.. wasted my time and money...
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post Aug 26 2010, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(brandonleow @ Aug 26 2010, 02:19 AM)
this is still MLM... been through it.. done it.. wasted my time and money...
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if u really put afford on MLM u will be successful easily. many ppls i saw many of them have no Patience work on it & die in the half way. smile.gif
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post Aug 26 2010, 08:32 PM

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You should know not everyone will be successful even you put in effort. You may want to prove me wrong by showing your own success rather than talk about other people
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post Aug 26 2010, 10:49 PM

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super agree with cuebiz haha
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post Aug 27 2010, 08:13 AM

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QUOTE(cuebiz @ Aug 26 2010, 08:32 PM)
You should know not everyone will be successful even you put in effort. You may want to prove me wrong by showing your own success rather than talk about other people
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im not success (yet). but i got confident to be success. at least i got improvement to my current result. i Believe i can make it. always keep in Positive mind set.

why bare in mind at 1st u will not 100% success even u put in effort ??? biggrin.gif the same things u work in ur currently day job why u not think that 2moro will i get fire by ur boss suddenly or next month or next year ? wink.gif


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QUOTE(ralphaell @ Aug 26 2010, 10:49 PM)
super agree with cuebiz haha
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someone fail in success must be have a reason at behind. have to learn what things that make u cant suscess. rclxms.gif



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post Aug 27 2010, 11:38 AM

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We have to accept the advantages of e-learning.. This is just a traditional system outside world.. USA 10 years ago ady got this, 6 years ago spore.. what abt m'sia? even those degree students or those who r further for studies r using e-learning.. we r force to accept tis program no matter how.. anyway, its just my personal view.. good luck everybody..
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Wow. Many new joiners just to discuss about this Score-A program.

I have nothing against this program, but some people might prefer another method of earning money.

I tried the demo of the education portal, I would not recommend it. Personal opinion only. Maybe old people prefer traditional way. =P
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QUOTE(den @ Aug 27 2010, 02:26 PM)
Wow. Many new joiners just to discuss about this Score-A program.

I have nothing against this program, but some people might prefer another method of earning money.

I tried the demo of the education portal, I would not recommend it. Personal opinion only. Maybe old people prefer traditional way. =P
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just how many spam do this thread have?




*just see how many post some users have and their comments/opinion & u'll know wat i mean..

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post Aug 30 2010, 06:12 AM

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My wife is a teacher, and was introduced to this program by our Sister in law, whose primary focus is making money off this program. Problem is, the score A system teaches kids how to pick answers, not how to pick correct answers. It doesn't tell you why the answer is wrong, just that it's wrong.

Unless parents are willing to sit beside them and discuss why the answer is wrong, students won't learn. At the very least, when latih tubi are done in school, teachers would discuss the answers and at least they learn something.

This is not online learning - where you are taught - just doing exercises on a computer screen.

With the state of students today - I wouldn't put pass it that one student will complain that he only know how to use score-A system, and not the pencil to answer the exam.
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QUOTE(mfitri77 @ Aug 30 2010, 06:12 AM)
My wife is a teacher, and was introduced to this program by our Sister in law, whose primary focus is making money off this program. Problem is, the score A system teaches kids how to pick answers, not how to pick correct answers. It doesn't tell you why the answer is wrong, just that it's wrong.

Unless parents are willing to sit beside them and discuss why the answer is wrong, students won't learn. At the very least, when latih tubi are done in school, teachers would discuss the answers and at least they learn something.

This is not online learning - where you are taught - just doing exercises on a computer screen.

With the state of students today - I wouldn't put pass it that one student will complain that he only know how to use score-A system, and not the pencil to answer the exam.
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errmm.....what make ppls expect this Score A programme will take over teacher & tuition center ?? this Score A programme is another TOOLS doing exercises for OUTPUT learning. this programme cannot replace teacher INPUT learning. so guys must understanding with the OUTPUT & INPUT. Score A only handle the OUTPUT & teacher will be handle the INPUT learning. Score A just a enhance tools for those student to produce their INPUT from teacher. smile.gif



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QUOTE(Coolman_wrx @ Aug 30 2010, 07:35 AM)
errmm.....what make ppls expect this Score A programme will take over teacher & tuition center ?? this Score A programme is another TOOLS doing exercises for OUTPUT learning. this programme cannot replace teacher INPUT learning. so guys must understanding with the OUTPUT & INPUT. Score A only handle the OUTPUT & teacher will be handle the INPUT learning. Score A just a enhance tools for those student to produce their INPUT from teacher.  smile.gif
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Well, I don't know, maybe the thick, glossy endorsement by hundreds of student claiming that they SCORE-A in their exams because of Score-A?

Maybe the way Score-A card seller is promoting their wares, such as "Why waste time tuition, petrol money some more and all, just Score A mah..."

None of the brochure and materials I got even put a disclaimer about the input or output thing, and believe me, before score A came around, teachers have been putting kids with CD-ROMS asking them to do exercises similar to score A. The reason why they stopped?

Is because some subjects being taught today can't use score A at all. Essays? Karangan? Mathematical problem solving, where you have to show your work? Why do you think exam papers now come in two parts, the objective (pray you get some right) and subjective (if you don't study, no amount of prayer will help you). More failed the subjective part, and you should see some of the answers being put there.

Maybe there is a noble cause, initially for score A. But like most products and programs, when you mix money in it, coupled with selling language, you are just causing boatloads of trouble. My wife's school gave FREE TUITION for UPSR students, yet only half turn up, among those whose parents said "too busy, he do score a at home."

It's simple for me. If score-A existed prior to the whole MLM thing, they should just go to the ministry, and say we develop this, please do this to complement teaching at school. But because they want to untung ---- MLM! And you get selling languages. Worse part is if the parents believe in score A's spiel, and scold their children for failing score A's test. Can score A come out and identify the student's weakness?

Cannot. So the student find out how to beat score A, and we have another robot on our hands.



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QUOTE(mfitri77 @ Aug 30 2010, 08:02 AM)
Well, I don't know, maybe the thick, glossy endorsement by hundreds of student claiming that they SCORE-A in their exams because of Score-A?

well, those endorsement by the student which is just apart of it to prove that its work when u using it, ofcos not all student can be success Score A. it have to depend on the student how they use it. perhaps we can say it discipline as i say this is only a tools that can help them to get improvement. same things as sent them to tuition center is another tools to get them can have improvement right ? hope u get what i mean here. " Is Not A Matter What You Have but Is The Matter How You Use It"

QUOTE(mfitri77 @ Aug 30 2010, 08:02 AM)
Maybe the way Score-A card seller is promoting their wares, such as "Why waste time tuition, petrol money some more and all, just Score A mah..."

Well, this is the personal way to talking tongue.gif . if me i would say dont waste your money when u donno which subject is the weakness on your kids, with score A programme u can easy know it which subject & monitor it just only few clicks & it wont spend so much time as parent say they always busy on the career, parent not help their kids who else can help ?

QUOTE(mfitri77 @ Aug 30 2010, 08:02 AM)
None of the brochure and materials I got even put a disclaimer about the input or output thing, and believe me, before score A came around, teachers have been putting kids with CD-ROMS asking them to do exercises similar to score A. The reason why they stopped?

Well, as i know your wife is teacher right ? i believe she can understand why they stop it. do u know how hard to seek Question & Answer for those student to do excise ? i even got go this issue from my fren. his wife is doing tuition centre. once come with monthly test or weekly test his wife prepare it until late mid nite always & many books on the table to do reference. such a hard work. this info is get from him to share with me. once i introduce this Score A product he very happy with it becos his wife can safe alot time to do preparation for the test.

QUOTE(mfitri77 @ Aug 30 2010, 08:02 AM)
Is because some subjects being taught today can't use score A at all. Essays? Karangan? Mathematical problem solving, where you have to show your work? Why do you think exam papers now come in two parts, the objective (pray you get some right) and subjective (if you don't study, no amount of prayer will help you). More failed the subjective part, and you should see some of the answers being put there.

Well, yes i agree with u at this part Score A programme cant replace it. thats why i say this is the another tools Score A take (subjective) & another tools is for teacher (objective) to do with it. from here we can c the picture of "Input" & "Output" learning tools.

QUOTE(mfitri77 @ Aug 30 2010, 08:02 AM)
Maybe there is a noble cause, initially for score A. But like most products and programs, when you mix money in it, coupled with selling language, you are just causing boatloads of trouble. My wife's school gave FREE TUITION for UPSR students, yet only half turn up, among those whose parents said "too busy, he do score a at home."

Well, sometime with those FREE things they always wont appreciate it, i only can say that is their own choice.

QUOTE(mfitri77 @ Aug 30 2010, 08:02 AM)
It's simple for me. If score-A existed prior to the whole MLM thing, they should just go to the ministry, and say we develop this, please do this to complement teaching at school. But because they want to untung ---- MLM! And you get selling languages. Worse part is if the parents believe in score A's spiel, and scold their children for failing score A's test. Can score A come out and identify the student's weakness?

Well, maybe u can login to kenshido.com look for the how many of malaysia ministry had been endorsement of this Score A product. as i say it again School is "INPUT" learning. Score A is "Output" learning we cant mix up with this two category. for example student is a cup of glass. teacher fill the water into the cup of glass. if the student dont drink the water how the student can get another refill water from teacher ? the water will over flow when teacher keeping fill in water to the glass of cup right ? im here not to against anythings n also not becos of untung duit. what i share all is the Fact. year 2000 is ICT world started. everyone out there is starting do their business on ICT. all country is start changing right do we malaysia still want to sit there n still looking around with it ? i believe that malaysia school will bring pen drive go to school in future instead of bring thousand tonne of books. thumbup.gif as my research i know with this kind of programme is FREE using in others country in few years back becos their government provide it. why our government cant do it ? i also no idea about it. tongue.gif

im here say sorry ya if i do mistake or being rude. i also not sale product in here becos im from sarawak cool2.gif



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QUOTE(flashout @ Jan 7 2010, 12:37 PM)
well.. i don't think its kinna stupid bout Direct sales. I mean.. look at Amway and Avon, a direct sales which being listed in most major country.

Its just because some stupid fellow twist the idea and make it into "skim cepat kaya".. and those being burn and listen to it, got a very negative feedback.

well.. i being into many direct sales company.. amway, cosway, new way.. until i tell them "GET AWAY!"... yet its nothing wrong as long as they do it in the right way.

Just some of the members.. its kinna over push. mad.gif

In my experience and personal opinion.. if you wan to go into direct sales.. do it BIG. Go for those in the international market, well establish, rather then the small kacang putih one.

Oh ya.. do u know that Amway did sell CK perfume? U will now know tat one day Amway might sell Microsoft product.

Cheers.... biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif
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Yeah, agree what has been quoted. Even good idea can be turned into bad one in the hands of villain.

But generally avoid those MLM with big front loading amount proposal.

Secondly, you need to be given option for return or withdrawal.
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anybody here who actually earned from this score-a mlm?
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QUOTE(k-bkeat @ Sep 25 2010, 03:59 PM)
anybody here who actually earned from this score-a mlm?
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yes i do earn it but not much so far is about 2k++ on my 1st month rclxms.gif
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score-a quite expensive.

my son school use zoom-a
http://www.zoom-a.com/
quite cheap and reasonable. not mlm at all.
rm10/year
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Look.

For parents out there whose children's report card don't really look all that good, please, before you subject your children to more tution and score-a, zoom-a, whatever a lah, please, please have a talk with your children's teacher.

More often than not, its not about not having enough exercise, Its because they have other issues that teachers have identified, and are ready and willing to share with you, if you are willing to meet with them.

Don't become part of the problem. Don't come and attack the teacher, just because you think they are wrong. Examples, Bigshots, Bigwigsm, Uni professors - My son can't be that stupid! I'm a uni lecturer for god's sake! You are teaching him wrong (Note : Teacher's are not supposed to teach algebra to standard 2 students.) Put him in Class A, instead of H - You are ruining my rep here.

Or they have other issues (Bully, or crime related, or maybe they just don't like your boyfriend/girlfriend, or addicted to something - not just drugs, card games, yugioh).

Don't simply assume that his/her problem with her grades could be solved by Score A, Zoom A, AA, AAA, Whatever A.




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QUOTE(QSR10 @ Sep 30 2010, 11:07 AM)
score-a quite expensive.

my son school use zoom-a
http://www.zoom-a.com/
quite cheap and reasonable. not mlm at all.
rm10/year
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try to compare with those features biggrin.gif
try to compare with the support Ministry Of Education rclxms.gif

only after u compare all the programmed system then u will know which one is expensive. thumbup.gif


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QUOTE(mfitri77 @ Sep 30 2010, 11:42 AM)
Look.

For parents out there whose children's report card don't really look all that good, please, before you subject your children to more tution and score-a, zoom-a, whatever a lah, please, please have a talk with your children's teacher.

More often than not, its not about not having enough exercise, Its because they have other issues that teachers have identified, and are ready and willing to share with you, if you are willing to meet with them.

Don't become part of the problem. Don't come and attack the teacher, just because you think they are wrong. Examples, Bigshots, Bigwigsm, Uni professors - My son can't be that stupid! I'm a uni lecturer for god's sake! You are teaching him wrong (Note : Teacher's are not supposed to teach algebra to standard 2 students.) Put him in Class A, instead of H - You are ruining my rep here.

Or they have other issues (Bully, or crime related, or maybe they just don't like your boyfriend/girlfriend, or addicted to something - not just drugs, card games, yugioh).

Don't simply assume that his/her problem with her grades could be solved by Score A, Zoom A, AA, AAA, Whatever A.
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yes u r right. there is three factor here. Student, Parent, Teacher. this three have to communicate for sure. without one of the part will not make any progress out.

everyone out there try to dont mis-understanding with the "score A". this system is NOT to do with the Replacement of Teacher or Parent. Score A system just a "Tools" to help Teacher & Parent. Score A just a "output learning tools" if without Teacher produce "input learning" how the student produce "output" ??? do more practice become more expert. do u agree with this ? Score A just a method to let student do to more practice at home.

if the Score A program not effective at all why our ministry keep endorsement to that program ??? why this product can stand 11 years until now ??? actually this kind of method learning for student in other country already 20years back use it. now only malaysia start using & yet still many of them not accept the fact. do u believe in future student will bring USB pen drive to school instead of bring tonne of books ???

if u say the Score A program is expensive. $2.20 per/day for one children is that expensive ? how much a glass of kopi-o or kopi or soft drinks ???? $2.20 can let ur child get improvement in learning why not ??? if the parent wont care about their child then i have nothings to say.


Added on October 3, 2010, 11:53 amHave a read with this testimony from a top principal in malaysia.


pengiktirafan khas 6p score a programme ™ , oleh pengetua cemerlang malaysia
puan rokiah hj alias
mantan pengetua kolej tunku kurshiah, negeri sembilan

1. PELENGKAP kepada sistem pendidikan di Malaysia
2. PEMANTAUAN oleh ibu dan ayah - Wujud hubungan komunikasi 3 hala di antara Ibu bapa, Pelajar & Guru
3. "PRIME TIME" - Waktu yang optimum pelajar untuk mengulangkaji pelajaran adalah berbeza bagi setiap pelajar
4. PENGURUSAN MASA - Pelajar akan dibiasakan dengan sistem pengurusan masa sendiri untuk bersedia menghadapi peperiksaan.
5. PEMANGKIN - Pelajar akan sentiasa meningkatkan prestasi mereka setiap masa sebelum masa peperiksaan sebenar
6. "PERSONAL & EMOTIONAL BONDING" - Secara psikologi, pelajar akan mendapat hubungan emosi lebih rapat dengan Ibu Ayah yang boleh membantu mereka untuk lebih berjaya.


Added on October 3, 2010, 11:55 amhere is the info source from----> http://www.intelekniaga.com/pengiktirafan.php

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lol. who is score a or zoom a user here?

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