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post Nov 16 2010, 11:40 PM

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QUOTE(edyek @ Nov 16 2010, 09:36 AM)
Yo dude? You misunderstood my meaning?

"Look at all the facts that having Straight A's is not as important as before as curriculum activities counts too."

I mean having all A's is good, but if they lack of other skills, such as public speaking, athletic activities, social club activies, etc ain't they just nothing more than a bookworm with only KNOWLEDGE?

That's the mindset of most parents now, STUDY, STUDY, STUDY and they miss out the other parts of their children's life.

I went to see my nephew presentation on his science project, his presentation slide was WOW, but presentation skills were way below, and his teacher give him C for his presentation.

Hey common, I mean theses days it is not all about knowledge for books, but being smart in other things helps too.
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alright dude, i hope u dont misunderstand with me too. im not against anything but the fact student need option to do learning.

Score A Program it just another tool to let student "output" their knowledge and without "Input" from tutor the Score A Program will not get effectively.

If the Score A Program is not that useful & effective how the company can sustain 10 years ?

(Hey common, I mean theses days it is not all about knowledge for books, but being smart in other things helps too.) yes i agree with u. learn in smart way.
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QUOTE(Coolman_wrx @ Nov 16 2010, 11:40 PM)
alright dude, i hope u dont misunderstand with me too. im not against anything but the fact student need option to do learning.

Score A Program it just another tool to let student "output" their knowledge and without "Input" from tutor the Score A Program will not get effectively.

If the Score A Program is not that useful & effective how the company can sustain 10 years ?

(Hey common, I mean theses days it is not all about knowledge for books, but being smart in other things helps too.)  yes i agree with u. learn in smart way.
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I did not say that Score A program is not effective from the start.

I merely pointed out that having all A's in every subject is not the only thing that students go for, but others as well. smile.gif
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post Nov 18 2010, 05:36 PM

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Anyone still interested in how the biz plan works? I'm attending the seminar soon. smile.gif
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post Nov 18 2010, 11:07 PM

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Marketing plan will ruin the education very soon.

Easy, all focus on Money but not on how to improve or let the child learn.
They will slowly using the same thing year by year.

And THIS IS NOT A E-LEARNING SHOULD BE.
It's 2010, google, facebook and forum will make the different of learning.
(From the point of easy gather resource and sharing, not forget about E-Book)

And real education should be FREE.

The reason that Score-A is still alife is cause of the MLM plan but not the Education.
And dont forget that, all successful Marketing plan come with BEAUTIFUL LIES.

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post Nov 20 2010, 03:09 AM

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Hello i really wanna know how many people really earn a million from this?
Coolman_wrx
post Nov 21 2010, 09:04 AM

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QUOTE(jl520 @ Nov 20 2010, 03:09 AM)
Hello i really wanna know how many people really earn a million from this?
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im the one soon. rclxms.gif

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post Nov 21 2010, 12:59 PM

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A lot of my friends had fallen into this "score A" trap and now promoting extensively to find downline. This company was so desperate to expand their product that they even promoting this to the University and college as they know most of the students are struggling for money and what they offered is "financial freedom". What a dirty trick.

My friends know it's almost impossible to find a parents that willing to spend a lot of money on this, so what they did was finding downline as much as they can.

With a soft-talker,combined with training on how to impress and convincing people effectively, they easily fool these students to join them.

I don't want to be racist, but you know which races are the most abundance to join this MLM rite?

*sigh*

this pyramid scheme only make profit for upper people, but the lower you go, the harder you will make it.
Now do this math

1 person find 5
5 find 25
25 find 125
125 find 625
625 find 3125
3125 find 15625
15625 find 78125 shocking.gif shocking.gif I doubt the amount of stupid people in Malaysia would be that much

No offence, Score A agents. I know you're so desperate right now as the ministry announced to abolish UPSR and PMR.. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
Business not going so well huh lately??
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QUOTE(skater_noob922 @ Nov 21 2010, 01:59 PM)
I know you're so desperate right now as the ministry announced to abolish UPSR and PMR.. thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
Business not going so well huh lately??
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Even with those examinations planned to be abolished, it still caters for students in both primary and secondary schools.

Get your facts straight.

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post Nov 21 2010, 07:37 PM

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I'm just curious on how many is being sold to those parents that really need it instead of being sold to new downlines/"business partner".
The failure to it, or at least my opinion is this is actually advocating others to 1st buy something they do not need then only resell it. Unlike many other MLM that promotes general consumer goods which one actually benefitted from buying and joining, I still do not see it in this model.
Seems to me it's like those we often see during lunch time selling story books etc...but at least some of those guys is fully based on commisions and are not obliged to FIRST fork out a high amount of "joining fee".
Anyway, just an opinion of mine.


Added on November 21, 2010, 7:40 pmBut again like I always say, if one is comfortable with it then just do it. Just before doing anything, I always likes others to look at 2 sides of a coin. My occupational habit as a risk analyst I guess.

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post Nov 22 2010, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(skater_noob922 @ Nov 21 2010, 12:59 PM)


No offence, Score A agents. I know you're so desperate right now as the ministry announced to abolish UPSR and PMR.. thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
Business not going so well huh lately??
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How do u sure that Ministry wont change back again ???? rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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post Nov 27 2010, 01:04 AM

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QUOTE(Coolman_wrx @ Nov 16 2010, 11:40 PM)
alright dude, i hope u dont misunderstand with me too. im not against anything but the fact student need option to do learning.

Score A Program it just another tool to let student "output" their knowledge and without "Input" from tutor the Score A Program will not get effectively.

If the Score A Program is not that useful & effective how the company can sustain 10 years ?

(Hey common, I mean theses days it is not all about knowledge for books, but being smart in other things helps too.)  yes i agree with u. learn in smart way.
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im sympathized with this company..even after 10 years operating, they're not well known and rely on MLM to promote their products.
How can a company tarnish their good image by taking the risk "promoting products through MLM" which I believe become a paranoia to Malaysian..

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Em.... my friend juz showed me this marketing plan yesterday night.
I really thought this is a part time job which about education line and can earn side income...>''<
But.. she told me they r not mention on selling, but is networking!! i am confusing.. is this call education?? Is more like MLM is it??????

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post Nov 28 2010, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(Ally Chia @ Nov 28 2010, 06:03 PM)
Em.... my friend juz showed me this marketing plan yesterday night.
I really thought this is a part time job which about education line and can earn side income...>''<
But.. she told me they r not mention on selling, but is networking!! i am confusing.. is this call education?? Is more like MLM is it??????
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the product is for education. yes MLM business. just like those Amway, Cosway, Anyway, Someway.........etc. just that Score A is selling education product.
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QUOTE(skater_noob922 @ Nov 21 2010, 12:59 PM)
A lot of my friends had fallen into this "score A" trap and now promoting extensively to find downline. This company was so desperate to expand their product that they even promoting this to the University and college as they know most of the students are struggling for money and what they offered is "financial freedom". What a dirty trick.

My friends know it's almost impossible to find a parents that willing to spend a lot of money on this, so what they did was finding downline as much as they can.

With a soft-talker,combined with training on how to impress and convincing people effectively, they easily fool these students to join them.

I don't want to be racist, but you know which races are the most abundance to join this MLM rite?

*sigh* 

this pyramid scheme only make profit for upper people, but the lower you go, the harder you will make it.
Now do this math

1 person find 5
5 find 25
25 find 125
125 find 625
625 find 3125
3125 find 15625
15625 find 78125  shocking.gif  shocking.gif  I doubt the amount of stupid people in Malaysia would be that much

No offence, Score A agents. I know you're so desperate right now as the ministry announced to abolish UPSR and PMR.. thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
Business not going so well huh lately??
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I just got those talks from my friends.... I can't believe they are doing this, but it seems like your theory here is wrong. Each individual is given an "Isolation". I'm not sure whether this Isolation is real or a bluff. What do I mean by Isolation? Basically you need to think in a way that for every person who subscribed to this, they will only need to promote to two friends. So each person new subsciber needs to find two. And no doubt, the top person will be earning the most because of commission. HOWEVER, there's a limit to how much you can earn. What does this mean? It simply means that the company has already estimated how much they need to pay per week. They have full control on it.

1 person find 5 and then 25, is not what I understood from the talk.

Please feel free to shoot me if I'm wrong.

QUOTE(Ally Chia @ Nov 28 2010, 06:03 PM)
Em.... my friend juz showed me this marketing plan yesterday night.
I really thought this is a part time job which about education line and can earn side income...>''<
But.. she told me they r not mention on selling, but is networking!! i am confusing.. is this call education?? Is more like MLM is it??????
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Seriously more like the Skore-A is just a front end. The real deal is behind this front-end. I really think they are totally not related. The business here is all about referal...


Added on December 14, 2010, 12:44 am
QUOTE(edyek @ Nov 15 2010, 08:45 AM)
What the point in getting all Straight A's if my son can't even go to Cambridge with his STRAIGHT A's record?

Seriously, I think parents should consider the fact that having A in our current education system does not mean they will be accept in foreign well known Uni. I mean having all A's is consider genius aint it? But why some Uni just don't accept these kind of students?

My friend got 11A's in SPM and she can't get into Cambridge (too nerdy). My another friend get only 6A's 2b and he get into Cambridge (He use his toastmaster certificate (DTM level), Science fair certificate, etc.)

Look at all the facts that having Straight A's is not as important as before as curriculum activities counts too.
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Like for real, Cambridge doesn't care what you get for SPM, or whatever during your high school. What they care is what you got for Pre-U. If your 6A friend got Straight A for A-levels then no doubt she should get accepted. I'm very sure you need very good results to get into Cambridge.

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No-ones denying this is MLM.. I personally believe in the Score-A programme and its ability to help kids to score As in exams.. And I'm willing to put my money into this MLM business instead of Amway Cosway Sungei Way or even Lambergggeer(who buys that crap anyway?) simply because there isn't any need to keep maintaining a certain sales amount every month... Well of course how impressive the score-A program is certainly helps!!
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QUOTE(Zepx @ Dec 14 2010, 12:25 AM)
I just got those talks from my friends.... I can't believe they are doing this, but it seems like your theory here is wrong. Each individual is given an "Isolation". I'm not sure whether this Isolation is real or a bluff. What do I mean by Isolation? Basically you need to think in a way that for every person who subscribed to this, they will only need to promote to two friends. So each person new subsciber needs to find two. And no doubt, the top person will be earning the most because of commission. HOWEVER, there's a limit to how much you can earn. What does this mean? It simply means that the company has already estimated how much they need to pay per week. They have full control on it.

1 person find 5 and then 25, is not what I understood from the talk.

Please feel free to shoot me if I'm wrong.
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So instead of putting 5 as a figure, now replace it with the multiplication of 2. No diff if you ask me, it's still a pyramid.
QUOTE(Zepx @ Dec 14 2010, 12:25 AM)
Seriously more like the Skore-A is just a front end. The real deal is behind this front-end. I really think they are totally not related. The business here is all about referal...
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I think I explained referral before. I.e. referral doesn't require ones to pay/buy upfront. Referral is I know you are selling, You tell me to help promote, I help promote without even needing to buy from you. When I introduce a buyer, I get commission. That's referral. So in the talk, did they stress this or stress that you need to pay 1st upfront.


Added on December 16, 2010, 12:07 am
QUOTE(Maximillian88 @ Dec 14 2010, 12:06 PM)
No-ones denying this is MLM.. I personally believe in the Score-A programme and its ability to help kids to score As in exams.. And I'm willing to put my money into this MLM business instead of Amway Cosway Sungei Way or even Lambergggeer(who buys that crap anyway?) simply because there isn't any need to keep maintaining a certain sales amount every month... Well of course how impressive the score-A program is certainly helps!!
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On the contrary, I would rather join Amway or Cosway because I would have a better chance of using the product then I myself using Score A.
That is if I'm to choose which MLM I want to join.
It's a pretty clear cut decision if you ask me. Because eventually I'm going to use the product if I pay for it; but what is Score A of use to me when I have no kids or my kids is still so young. Whereas, Amway and Cosway dealt with normal daily usage which everyone needed. So you tell me which one is a better deal here.


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post Dec 16 2010, 08:13 AM

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others MLM company they kill u every month to keep maintaining. Score A they give u free the account to earn money as long as u introduce to your fren.
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post Dec 16 2010, 03:38 PM

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By introducing you meant "selling" right? blink.gif
Because business runs on simple logic, any business also the same; i.e. without money going in; how can they be money going out?!....

So it's the same concept as any other business out there; including MLM.
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QUOTE(b00n @ Dec 16 2010, 03:38 PM)
By introducing you meant "selling" right? blink.gif
Because business runs on simple logic, any business also the same; i.e. without money going in; how can they be money going out?!....

So it's the same concept as any other business out there; including MLM.
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in other words can say "commission" ??? tongue.gif

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