Just because we are the observer, does not mean we are the reality.

Discuss.

This post has been edited by maknyuus: Jul 2 2009, 02:13 AM

It's not what you observe, it's what you perceive.

If what you perceive about what I perceive is fake, how is that going to influence my perception of what's real?

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Jul 2 2009, 04:50 AM

It's the same as asking if God does exist (or not). The argument is endless until someone from a different realm come and tell us. It doesn't really matter if the world is reality (or not), what matter is how you decide to deal with it.

What is reality? Nobody knows. Me, you or anyone for that matter might not even exist, or we might just be some being harvested as batteries in an alternate reality like in Matrix .

We could use Descartes famous statement "I think, therefore I am." So when I'm thinking I know I'm real, but are the people in front of me real? You might be God himself, everything you see before you is created by yourself.

It is what you can feel through our senses..

Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.

how so?

Perception is REALITY.

Except, there are MORE than one perception. Hence, there are MORE THAN one REALITY.

This is like the stories of 5 blind men touching and describing an elephant. They are ALL RIGHT partially since they CANNOT see the WHOLE PICTURE.

The problem comes when people DO NOT KNOW that they are BLIND.

So, we need the ability to SEE while being BLIND.

"Red pill or blue pill??"

Dreamer

Reality/Falsehood is the question on whether something is true or untrue. In my opinion, there's only one reality but many perceptions of reality, which might or might not be true.

Just as the five blind men think that they know what the Elephant is by touching it. We know that their versions are not true because we know better than them.

But we ourselves do not know whether we know the elephant fully because we cannot see from a "higher perspective" (our minds can normally only comprehend up to 3D).

Correct me, if I'm wrong, but this is my understanding of reality, as of this moment.

Thinkingfox,

<<We know that their versions are not true >>

To be precise, their version is not untrue. It is a part of the WHOLE PICTURE. It is TRUE as per the part of the OBJECT as they are touching. Ditto, our perception is TRUE as per our senses. But, it is a PARTIAL PICTURE of the TOTAL REALITY.

Now, to see the WHOLE PICTURE is to know what we cannot SENSE and to see what we cannot see.

Is that possible?? Yes, to a certain extend. That can ONLY be done by IMAGINATION.

For example, we cannot see a black hole but we can detect a black hole exists somewhere.

How do you teach the blind to see??

Dreamer

We cant see the black hole itself but we can see the effects of a black hole..

This post has been edited by vivienne85: Jul 3 2009, 09:50 AM

we cant see our brain inside our head, but we know its there....


so hows that?

crack open yr skull and feel your own brain??

human have reality, animals have reality, so do plants. not sure about non "living" things though). btw, what is life? so the question is which reality is the reality? could it be we humans are just like a fish in a pond who thinks he know it all but actually they cant comprehend anything beyond their dimension?. let say if you intefere their world and put a tyre in the pond, a fish do not know its a tyre, but they know its a good place to live and breed (they might call it home instead of tyre). so its like us humans, maybe there is other "creature" or "things" that is around us, but we just unable to perceive because our conciousness are not concious enough. quoting somebody, there is a history when columbus first come to america, the red indians do not realize its a ship coming to them because its beyond their comprehension, hence they dont see or notice them at all. they actually see nothing. i think our brain and conciousness are not powerful as we thought. if we think we can understand everything, we are actually still in the scope of our own conciousness.

reality is what your mind tell what is real ~~~

Okay so what if this isn't reality?

Go out and create some chaos?

People.

Asking about reality is nothing close to perceiving it within your own "first-person" point of view. What discussions can offer are usually composed of "reality is not REALLY reality, illusion is not REALLY illusion", and "everything is not what it seems" kinds of explanation, which ultimately, depends on how you perceive YOUR reality, and how you JUSTIFY it.

Just take this post of mine for example. Although I may have "explained" what "reality" is, how EXACTLY am I going to influence you to perceive reality just the way I perceive it? Are you not, responsible for your OWN reality and how you JUSTIFY it YOURSELF?

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Jul 3 2009, 07:33 PM

Can't agree with that. Perception is perception, reality is reality. Reality is what doesn't go away even if you don't believe in it.

But because we KNOW it's there, therefore we ended up BELIEVING in it anyway, don't we?

How, and when can one then, chooses not to believe in it?

This post has been edited by Deadlocks: Jul 3 2009, 10:20 PM

Yes of course.



You can choose not to believe in it, but your belief does not alter the fact. If you stand in the rain and choose to believe that it is not raning, you still get wet. It's not like you don't get wet if you choose to believe that it's not raining.