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post Jul 2 2009, 04:42 AM

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It's not what you observe, it's what you perceive.

If what you perceive about what I perceive is fake, how is that going to influence my perception of what's real?

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post Jul 3 2009, 07:31 PM

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People.

Asking about reality is nothing close to perceiving it within your own "first-person" point of view. What discussions can offer are usually composed of "reality is not REALLY reality, illusion is not REALLY illusion", and "everything is not what it seems" kinds of explanation, which ultimately, depends on how you perceive YOUR reality, and how you JUSTIFY it.

Just take this post of mine for example. Although I may have "explained" what "reality" is, how EXACTLY am I going to influence you to perceive reality just the way I perceive it? Are you not, responsible for your OWN reality and how you JUSTIFY it YOURSELF?

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post Jul 3 2009, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Jul 3 2009, 08:43 PM)
Can't agree with that. Perception is perception, reality is reality. Reality is what doesn't go away even if you don't believe in it.
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But because we KNOW it's there, therefore we ended up BELIEVING in it anyway, don't we?

How, and when can one then, chooses not to believe in it?

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post Jul 5 2009, 04:20 AM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Jul 4 2009, 11:52 AM)
You can choose not to believe in it, but your belief does not alter the fact. If you stand in the rain and choose to believe that it is not raning, you still get wet. It's not like you don't get wet if you choose to believe that it's not raining.
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But how can I choose not believe in it even after KNOWING that it's ACTUALLY there?
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post Jul 6 2009, 03:12 AM

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QUOTE(kuroman84 @ Jul 5 2009, 07:16 PM)
Nope, we live in illusion. What we see, what we hear, remember it is just a brain intepretation, but what lies in front of us could be a formation of number like movie matirx or some wave energy. It is brain intepretation that made us believe that we see a girafe, we see elephatant but is it all are intepretation of the brain.

Interestingly, even when we sleep n dream, we able to to see, smell or hear something even there are no STIMULUS!!! That can be an evident that it is our brain that intepret it. Because our brain intepret as such n we have live like that since we are young, we were indoctrined by the brain that is there is cause n effect. We believe that we eat apple, it tastes sweet, we believe we cant walk on water. We believe that if we have sex we would happy, all this are intepretation of brain.

But in reality, we have been fooled what the brain tells us. Because the reason is we have being trained to believe so. We have been train or being indoctrined since we are child that fire feels hot, ice feels cool. In other word, we have been attached to what we want to believe , to believe the the nature's rule or what that have been programmed inside our brain.

In order to free from this program, we need to train ourself not to relied on the program. But how would we free from this program when we depends on its too much? Its not suprisingly why religion do somehow forbid human from excessive pleasure or behavior that based on "nafsu". Because such pleasure or behaviour that based on "nafsu" made us relied more on the programe. In other hand, some human insteadd of chossing the moderate life of believer, they choose an extremism way in order hope to see the reality. They isolate themselves from people, fasting almost every day, n do lot of meditation, reason for hoping that he wont relied on this programe, instead he hopes that through his training, he will relied on others beside the programme that being implanted. In other word, the reality is once u freed from the programme, that is the real reality
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If everything is an interpretation of the brain, how did you come to interpret that life is an illusion instead of reality, and reality instead of illusion?

Isn't the word "illusion" simply another interpretation, which in fact not be an illusion, or simply the word "illusion" itself to describe your reality is ALSO an illusion?

Like I mentioned from my previous post, you know reality by JUSTIFYING it.
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post Jul 12 2009, 05:21 AM

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QUOTE(99chan @ Jul 11 2009, 03:28 PM)
ah another argumentum ad infinitum.

the perception of the reality is often flawed and dependent on many variables i.e education, culture. and when our perception changes, we believe the reality changes as well.

there is 2 reality. one that is happening and the other is what we think/fed/taught is happening.
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Isn't all that your perception?

Hence Perception = Reality?
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post Jul 12 2009, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(Thinkingfox @ Jul 12 2009, 08:24 PM)
How can the thing that is not happening be reality?
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That's only because such happenings are not subjected to your perceptions yet. If I tell you the Great Wall of China is the metres long and such, showing you the Wikipedia and all sources of information available around the world, will you ACTUALLY believe them...until you've actually measured the Great Wall by yourself?

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