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Thinkingfox
post Jul 3 2009, 01:51 AM

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Reality/Falsehood is the question on whether something is true or untrue. In my opinion, there's only one reality but many perceptions of reality, which might or might not be true.

Just as the five blind men think that they know what the Elephant is by touching it. We know that their versions are not true because we know better than them.

But we ourselves do not know whether we know the elephant fully because we cannot see from a "higher perspective" (our minds can normally only comprehend up to 3D).

Correct me, if I'm wrong, but this is my understanding of reality, as of this moment.
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post Jul 4 2009, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jul 3 2009, 06:30 AM)
Thinkingfox,

<<We know that their versions are not true >>

To be precise, their version is not untrue.  It is a part of the WHOLE PICTURE.  It is TRUE as per the part of the OBJECT as they are touching.  Ditto, our perception is TRUE as per our senses.  But, it is a PARTIAL PICTURE of the TOTAL REALITY.

Now, to see the WHOLE PICTURE is to know what we cannot SENSE and to see what we cannot see.

Is that possible?? Yes, to a certain extend.  That can ONLY be done by IMAGINATION.

For example, we cannot see a black hole but we can detect a black hole exists somewhere.

How do you teach the blind to see??

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Is partial truth, true or false? If I tell a partial truth in court, what would they say about my statement? If found out, would they say I testified the partial truth? Or would they say I lied?

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post Jul 5 2009, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jul 4 2009, 09:49 PM)
Thinkingfox,

You can ONLY lie when you KNOW the truth.

If you do not know the TRUTH, you CANNOT TELL THE TRUTH.

There is a BIG DIFFERENCE between

A) Lying.

B) Not telling the truth.

For example, if you are COLOR BLIND, everything is GRAY.  You said that you see a GRAY DOG.  But, the dog is actually a YELLOW DOG.  So,

1) You are NOT TELLING THE TRUITH.

But,

2) You are NOT lying.

Most of US are NOT capable of knowing what we do not know.  We are like color blind people trying to figure what the actual color of a gray dog is.  We know that it is NOT gray as we see it when we know that we are color blind.  But, we DO NOT KNOW what the real color is.

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What you say, I do not doubt. I was using that example assuming that I give the partial truth on purpose, for the reason of shading the truth.

But reality is not only limited to what we know or what we can perceive, right? That would be a personal perception of reality. Reality stays the same whether or not we can perceive or understand it.

I agree with you that sometimes (or maybe always, I admit I do not know the frequency of validity. But I know it is valid) we are like color blind people trying to figure what the actual color of a gray dog is.

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post Jul 12 2009, 08:24 PM

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QUOTE(99chan @ Jul 11 2009, 03:28 PM)
ah another argumentum ad infinitum.

the perception of the reality is often flawed and dependent on many variables i.e education, culture. and when our perception changes, we believe the reality changes as well.

there is 2 reality. one that is happening and the other is what we think/fed/taught is happening.
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How can the thing that is not happening be reality?

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post Jul 31 2009, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ Jul 12 2009, 10:38 PM)
That's only because such happenings are not subjected to your perceptions yet. If I tell you the Great Wall of China is the metres long and such, showing you the Wikipedia and all sources of information available around the world, will you ACTUALLY believe them...until you've actually measured the Great Wall by yourself?
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Whether I perceive it is one thing and whether it really happened is another, no?

To me, reality is what actually happened.

It does not matter whether or not I know, understand, perceive etc.

What I understand is my perception of reality, not necessarily reality.

If what I understand is correct, then my perception is reality

If what I understand is wrong, then my perception is not reality


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QUOTE(99chan @ Jul 13 2009, 03:20 AM)
it can. faith.

for one, religion.

but what they are merely displaying is living what they think is reality.
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Whether or not God exist, we cannot scientifically proof yet.

Because if He exist, God's existence is reality.

If He does not exist, God's existence is not reality.

If it didn't happen (let's say if God doesn't exist), the reality will be that He doesn't exist no matter what humans believe.

As such, in my opinion, there's only 1 reality.

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