Its not time for human to know so much yet.. that is y we use only a very little portion of our brain.. Reality or not.. The crave to think or find reality itself by isolating yourself and alienated others.. well, it won't help. If you are lucky, you will get enlighten.. If you are not.. then you may get crazy. We had been relying too much on words.

What is truth or reality anyway? Why do you 'think' that this word itself make sense or mean anything?

Just accept whatever perception we have now and don't 'think' too much.. Give yourself more space in terms on the frequency of thoughts.. Perhaps you may realise something that can sooth your emotion or enlighten you bit and your emotion will not be affected by the environment easily.

This post has been edited by lilko: Jul 24 2009, 02:34 AM

Watch "The Matrix" and you will know the reality of this world- how the government works and turn people into servants.

But this is way too superfluous for a man of knowledge.

In this world, there are KNOWN, UNKNOWN AND UNKNOWABLE.
Uknown becomes known at a given time, but unknowable is something unspeakable, unthinkable and untouchable.
Unknown is something superfluous for the average men but it is something that a man of knowledge ventures into.

Quotes of Don Juan Matus
"Our world is only one in a cluster of consecutive worlds, arranged like the layers of an onion. Even though we have been energetically conditioned to perceive solely our world, we still have the capability of entering into those other realms, which are as real, unique, absolute, and engulfing as our own world is.

For us to perceive those other realms, not only do we have to covet them but we need to have sufficient energy to seize them. Their existence is constant and independent of our awareness, but their inaccessibility is entirely a consequence of our energetic conditioning. In other words, simply and solely because of that conditioning, we are compelled to assume that the world of daily life is the one and only possible world.

Believing that our energetic conditioning is correctable, sorcerers of ancient times developed a set of practices designed to recondition our energetic capabilities to perceive. They called this set of practices the art of dreaming . It's the gateway to infinity.

Through dreaming we can perceive other worlds, which we can certainly describe, but we can't describe what makes us perceive them. Yet we can feel how dreaming opens up those other realms. Dreaming seems to be a sensation--a process in our bodies, an awareness in our minds.

Dreaming instruction is divided into two parts. One is about dreaming procedures, the other about the purely abstract explanations of these procedures: an interplay between enticing one's intellectual curiosity with the abstract principles of dreaming and guiding one to seek an outlet in its practices."

---

Added on July 27, 2009, 7:31 pmThe truth is that we , human beings, are an awareness. We are luminous beings made by hundred thousands of light filaments. What we think and what we do at the moment depend on the position of our assemblage point.

THE CATALYST OF POWER - THE ASSEMBLAGE POINT OF MAN by Jon Whale. Ph.D.
http://www.whalemedical.com/ap1.html

[Don Juan is what he calls a Man of Knowledge. The most knowledgeable mystic available in writing through the work of Carlos Castaneda. Through him the The Assemblage Point was revealed to the world.] - John

"Everything you think and everything you feel depends on the position of the Assemblage Point."--Don Juan

[There are three Human Assemblage Points. The Static Assemblage Point (SAP), the Moving Assemblage Point (MAP) and the Great Light Assemblage Point (GLAP). The Stationary Assemblage Point (SAP) is the focal point of the energy body. It should be in (or near) the centre of the chest but any stress, be it emotional traumas, violence, intimidation, giving birth, accidents, as well as drug use (illegal and legal), can shift it off centre and it can even move into organs like the liver and heart. Each position around the centre, be it left, right, up or down produces a certain feeling and thinking associated with that position see. It can be likened to tuning a radio, but instead of getting a poor reception you get a poor or 'off-centre' feeling and thinking. This is where the saying 'centred' comes from. It can be shifted back to centre with a crystal or some people can move it back with their will. This validates the teachings in Carlos Castaneda's books. Over 10 years ago Harley Swiftdeer Reagan, who was Don Genaro's apprentice, taught Jon Whale how to shift the SAP. To have your assemblage point position checked, and shifted if needed contact the webmaster (UK) The webmaster knows two people personally who were cured of depression in two minutes by having their SAP position corrected, both were due to emotional trauma. See how the Allopaths suppress non-allopathic medicine---they deleted the Assemblage Point page on Wikipedia. What is termed 'The Shaman's Blow' is another type of shift that moves you into Satori.] - John



This post has been edited by darksider: Jul 27 2009, 07:32 PM

inb4trolledforsayingpseudoscienceandphilosophyinfection

anyone have anything physics-related?

I agree with kuroman84. If u study the human biology, we're just machines, in a way that, some input is received, processed, and presented in our minds.

Take the human eye for example. In order to see an object, light (EM waves) must bounce off the surface of that object and enter the eyes. The next part I'm not sure of the details but basically, the light waves will probably excite some receptors inside the eye, and from there EM signals will be converted to electrical pulses start to travel into the nervous system. (neurotransmitters, etc.)

The interesting part, is that, once the electrical pulses reach brain, it has to be processed first by the brain, meaning raw information alone would be meaningless to the brain. So the brain processes it, and only after that we can "perceived" an image.

With all that components and steps and different levels of reception and processing, do u think our sight system is trustworthy enough?

If we were to 'kacau' the neurotransmitters a bit with... I don't know, meth maybe, or even LSD, do u still think that seeing is believing? And this is not considering how normal hormones could affect it too.

But chemicals aside, even the basic structure of our sight system alone makes the credibility of the things of we see everyday questionable. There are so many loopholes.

Perception =/= Reality

and... thats why i dont believe in ghosts.

Whether I perceive it is one thing and whether it really happened is another, no?

To me, reality is what actually happened.

It does not matter whether or not I know, understand, perceive etc.

What I understand is my perception of reality, not necessarily reality.

If what I understand is correct, then my perception is reality

If what I understand is wrong, then my perception is not reality

---

Added on July 31, 2009, 12:10 amWhether or not God exist, we cannot scientifically proof yet.

Because if He exist, God's existence is reality.

If He does not exist, God's existence is not reality.

If it didn't happen (let's say if God doesn't exist), the reality will be that He doesn't exist no matter what humans believe.

As such, in my opinion, there's only 1 reality.

This post has been edited by Thinkingfox: Jul 31 2009, 12:21 AM

But what if your senses fail you? It is the same concept as a color blind man, if nobody ever told him that the world is colorful, what he sees in black and white is the reality. What's more, even if someone were to tell him that the world is colorful, he would never be able to picture what it is like?

Come to think of it, what we see in this color of the world may not be real even. Maybe seeing in colorful is a defect itself?

We learned from Newtonian Physics concerning *absolute* space and time where they were absolute irregardless of who, where, when (frame of reference) to an object we observe and percieve, that **was** the Reality during the time.

We now learned that space and time is relative to the observer, where you and I can observe an event or an object differently pending on our motions relative to the object under observation (Relativity discovered by Einstein), this **is** the Reality now which have been proven correct.

Is the event you observed/perceived the same with mine?

If both of our opinion are different, can you say you are right and I am wrong?

Or both or us could be right although we observed/perceived thing differently?

Is your reality need to be my reality?

From non science point of view, reality is a condition and people who lack creativity struggle in this living condition but creativity is often unrealistic without analytic knowledge.

Science fiction is a combination of science plus creativity, I only found out when I learn to use 3D program to create art.

Just a video explaining reality from a different yet true perspective.

This post has been edited by kenyir_85: Aug 17 2009, 07:55 PM