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post Jul 2 2009, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(Makakeke @ Jul 2 2009, 08:51 AM)
Agreed, I honestly don't think Kun fits the bill. Who else is probable, perhaps Huntelaar? isn't among the best strikers now but perfect for a 3rd striker. With all this hype on all these players, Rooney you gotta step up man!
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Nail on the head. 3rd striker. A proper striker please, not these forward/in-the-hole type of strikers, but proper striker.
Benzema might well be on our list, probably at the top if Real stayed well clear out of him. But nobody would know I guess. We know SAF is an admirer, but we can't get all the players.. the muppet in me will move on..

QUOTE(Hevrn @ Jul 2 2009, 10:45 AM)
We need to sign up the Spanish weather. Would be our greatest asset.
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We need sandy beaches too, along with the .. brows.gif
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post Jul 3 2009, 12:29 AM

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QUOTE(dlct87 @ Jul 3 2009, 12:23 AM)
he "seemed" to be not in form coz he was playing out of his position.....his form during England matches was blistering, so fergie might wanna emulate that tactic this season
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This playing out of position business really is crap. How many times we played him out of position last season? Majority of the time we use him upfront. Because of tactics/wingers in crappy form, we had to use him there in some games. Everyone is making a big deal out of nothing.
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QUOTE(onepack @ Jul 3 2009, 10:23 AM)
owen for free.. why not
but still united need someone more dependable as we play more than 50 game a season. i pick huntelaar!!

buying player not like buying groceries at supermarket..
i believe SAF will sign someone.. still lots of time and lots of money
SAF knows best!!  notworthy.gif
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It's not like Owen will be 1st choice striker for us. He'll take over Tevez role, coming in now and then. He played 21 games in the league last season scoring 9 goals(same as Berba). Tevez started 18 games and only scoring 5 goals.

I expect him to score more too with his ability. Although his physical ability may not be as good as when he was a top player, but his ability to be at the right place at the right time is still there. Give him a chance and he'll more than likely take it. I would welcome Owen(especially since he's free), provided that he can play the same amount for us as he did for Newcastle. That would be really helpful for the team.

Don't forget we have talented young strikers at the club in Welbeck and Macheda. From the way SAF talk about Welbeck being in Capello's WC squad, you have to wonder if Welbeck would have a far bigger role for us this coming season. He did very well last season, and he's ready for it IMO. Macheda will probably be a better goalscorer, but this kid have the entire package in his locker.





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QUOTE(mokhzaini @ Jul 3 2009, 01:15 PM)
the way football is now being played, especially at continential stage i.e champions league, has evolved so much from the past. last years english team for example love to go for crosses and the traditional 4-4-2 which is easily predicted and handled.

the most effective way to play now is the spanish way. move.pass. off ball runs. etc. etc. similar way to arsene's method. less and less these days they gone to the wings and cross.

with aquisition of owen which himself not the tallest of the strikers, i believe sir alex is keeping to this new way of football to be played. owen is very much a quick player, move around, and his high level footballing temprament will help the others especially the young ones.

sir alex could have gone for huntelaar, but the dutch is nothing more than younger van nistelrooy who contribution to play is minimal. but my god he got the golden touch van nistelrooy. give him 5 chances he will got like 2-3 goals. but once the opposing team stopped the ball reaching him, he was useless. i dunt know about benzema whether he is traditional centre foward or the striker who can play this newly evolved way football.

but yeah, owen is very much prone to get injured. hes like that rugby poster boy wilkinson. talented and can change the game single handedly, but only if u can get him on the pitch.

whatever it is, in Sir Alex we trust.
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Don't follow the stereotype and just assume from the word English, that they would adopt a 442 formation and play crosses all night long. I don't think any English teams play 442 consistently apart from us, and maybe Arsenal. And we hardly crosses the ball these days with us having crappy heading strikers and not one consistent crosser of the ball. Chelsea play a 433 mostly. Liverpool play a 4411/4231, Arsenal 442 in the league, 451 in CL, and we play 442 mostly, but in the CL we play with 433. And you need to wake up and smell the fact that for the last few seasons the English teams have dominated the later stages of the CL.

I would welcome a new Ruud to be honest. Just what the squad needs to rotate around with/as backup for Berba & Rooney. First 3 seasons, Ruud was godlike. After that he got into injury troubles, and lost edge a bit although still banging in the goals. But he was never the same.


Added on July 3, 2009, 1:45 pmWhat the hell happened to Redcafe? Don't tell me they're mourning the loss of Benzema?

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There was probably massive suicides on there. Now they're cleaning up the forum so nobody knows. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(mokhzaini @ Jul 3 2009, 02:48 PM)
the fact is that traditional english teams even from the 70s played this 4-42 system with a target man and a nippy number 10. then only these few years we got to have another system which is the way arsene's arsenal played. then in continential stages, the systems are varied historically, but nonetheless many of them adapted to the 4-4-2. if u watch closely, Madrid's 2001/2002 CL squad was the last of the traditional number 9 and 10 systems, with Raul and Morientes played the target man and the nippy partner. since then, all the winners either played with 2 short strikers (read liverpool 04-05) or a single striker supported by midfield of 5. milan introduced another splendid formulation in 2006-07 campaign - a sitting defensive midfielder in pirlo - and now most teams have that position whenever they play continentially.

i am not talking about these 2 -3 years when i mentioned that 'traditional english formation' of 4-4-2. check ur facts and u'll find most english teams, either the clubs or the national team, played that way, almost 20-30 years ago and still playing that way in the 1990s. infact, some of the lesser teams still doing that no 9 and no 10 thing.

as for manchester united, we changed the european approach 1 -2 years after the 1999 triumpant season with van nistelrooy playing upfront and scholesy as the supporting second striker. not exactly as second striker, its more of a attacking midfielder? whatever it is, thats the idea mooted and put up practice by sir alex and he got plenty of sticks on that. results during that transition period werent helpful either with disastrous losses to deportivo la coruna.

arsenal never play 442 these few years. its either adebayor start single and they throw bretner in as the game goes on. liverpool plays mostly a single striker torres. chelsea changed dramatically during Mourinhos years with 4-5-1 whenever they lost the ball, but transformed into 4-3-3 whenever they go foward. english team dominated the later stages because they no longer play the easily predicted and ancient formation 4-4-2.

agreed with u on ruud van nistelrooy. he was just absolutely sensation. losing bit of edge is something, but i believe the reason he was sold is to make rooms for a new way of playing.
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I guess I missed that part, thought you were talking as if the English teams still play those traditional 442, sorry about that. But still, for most games, that's still effective, especially for us IMO. No matter what other formation we use, it's still 442(4411/4231, same thing to me) that would get us goals/results in games other than the big games/CL. 433/451 just doesn't work as well IMO for us. As for the big games, 433/451 is the way to go with the other teams too adopting 3 in the middle making it hard.

Those transition period served us well the last few years, in CL especially where we have been quite good last 3 seasons or so. But like the last final showed, there's still some work to be done in that area, tactically. Barca, like when we lost the semi's to AC Milan a few seasons back showed that we can be kept quiet, and we would have no answer for that. I hope Anderson would be the answer. He's probably the only one(aside from Giggsy) in our squad who can run at people from midfield. Might need another Scholes too, but other than Xavi/Iniesta, don't see anyone else that can pass as good as him. Fletcher-Carrick-Anderson.. I believe that's our best bet in the big games. But anyone of those missing, we might struggle a bit.

As for Ruud, he was sold because he and SAF had nothing in common anymore, and I believe he wanted to move to Real. If he was happy that time, I doubt we would have sold him. Him, Saha and Rooney would have been a fantastic trio to have in the squad. Given Saha's fitness woes, he would been a great option on the bench. It's all in the past though.. we've moved on and did really well since then. No point looking back at the past. But if the interest in Owen is Real, and somehow SAF and Ruud can mend their relationship back, I would like to see him back here.
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post Jul 3 2009, 04:17 PM

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QUOTE(Pain_X @ Jul 3 2009, 02:54 PM)
I dont know how good it could possibly be,if we take into account the whole characteristics of the possible deal ;

1. FITNESS - goes without saying.
2. His contribution. To me,he's just like a weaker version of Rooney.
3. His salary demands. He will definitely want around $100K a week.

Either that or i just dont like him because of his history tongue.gif
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24 games last season, 27 games before that. That would be enough for us, as a 3rd striker. And I'm sure he won't demand as much. He knows the situation he's in.

QUOTE(Makakeke @ Jul 3 2009, 04:02 PM)
Well, it starts with Lyon accepting the offer and I'm sure that we would have bidded 30m pounds, of course we can't be sure whether we bidded or not but Lyon obviously know that we wanted Benzema and would have waited for our offer. Thing is they need a replacement and Ruud fits their plan, I would have gone with the Real deal if I was Lyon. As for Benzema, I think he would have went to any club.
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I don't know whether we were really interested in Benzema. Sure SAF really likes him, like he love any talented strikers, but we don't know if we put in any bid for him. Like was discussed before, we needed a 3rd striker to rotate around with the other two, not one potentially a first teamer straight away after he joins. We offered Tevez the chance to stay, and now we look to Owen.. we'll see if we get another striker in, but I doubt that. If we were interested in Hunterlaar, we would include it in the Ronaldo deal. Other than him, can't see any other striker we would be interested in right now. If we don't get any other striker in, then you have to feel Welbeck will really get his chance..
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QUOTE(bitzboy @ Jul 3 2009, 04:05 PM)
hmm,i wonder what are the odds given for owen to be injured during the coming season if he does come?  biggrin.gif ..*touch wood*..So if he does come we'll kinda have our 3rd striker, do we need a 4th now?..Huntelaar?..Big fan of Huntelaar!
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Welbeck is the man for that, along with Macheda.

QUOTE(Ken @ Jul 3 2009, 04:11 PM)
the signing make sense, as fergie wont sign a big star striker as he already got rooney-berbatov. there are no such thing as rotation for the star players as fergie is not playing FM ... they will become the next tevez. thats why united glad to have ole as a super sub, willing to sit on the bench and wait for chances ...

owen will be fergie 3rd choice striker after rooney and berbatov ... still wellbeck/macheda is too lightweight to become 4th striker ...
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Like last season, it's not as if the 4th striker would get that much games. And as they showed, they are more than capable of playing with and against the big boys. Macheda might still need another year or two before he's truly ready(physically he's ready right now, but playing wise not so much), but Welbeck is ready even though he's a bit lightweight.




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QUOTE(yoecr7 @ Jul 3 2009, 04:12 PM)
o yea. i forgot bout our initial budget and the possibility of Campbell being sold. So, we have almost a 100m but still can't land some big names, oh well...we ain't Real Madrid. We don't buy success rolleyes.gif.  We earn them.  sleep.gif
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The only player I see us being interested in is Ribery. But he wants to go to Real too, so he's off from our list most probably.
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QUOTE(azizul1975 @ Jul 3 2009, 04:15 PM)
well, if united medical team say he is fit, then i guess he must be. just hope that owen won't break bones again, huhuhu.
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I won't be so sure on that. We did after all bought Saha and Hargreaves..
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QUOTE(VashTheStampede @ Jul 3 2009, 07:50 PM)
Hrrmmss.. Owen..! Liverpool old-boy laugh.gif
Anyway.. lots of noise going around my Facebook about him being a has-been and whatnot... but I think if he can rekindle that spark that once made him a proven goal-scorer (I'm sure being the best club in the world should do it tongue.gif) and that our physios take good care of him.. well could be a good thing.
Fingers crossed!
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He's not as good as he once was. But one thing with strikers, those good at finishing, is that, even though they lose their pace, strength and stamina, they would still find their way into scoring positions and get on the end of things as Ole showed in his final seasons. Just see Ronaldo9.. knee problems, no more pace, but still scored shitloads of goals in all level.

QUOTE(shajack @ Jul 3 2009, 07:59 PM)
how bout d middle of d park?
who can replace scholes n provide back up for carrick?
prove me wrong but im sensing lack of creativity ere with ronaldo gone
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Ronaldo was hardly a creative force. In 06/07 maybe he has that, but last 2 seasons have all been about him getting on the end of things rather than the one providing. If we look at his form last season, minus the goals, it was just decent IMO. If Valencia plays more for the team, then it would probably be better for us in the long run.

Anderson can takeover from Scholes, although in a different way. As for Carrick, we can use the other midfielders alongside Anderson..

QUOTE(pisces88 @ Jul 3 2009, 09:08 PM)
SAF signing him for free, then wtf happens to the 85mil left of the transfer fund?
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They would donate half to me.
Replacement for Ronaldo in Valencia, replacement for Tevez in Owen. Spent 16m on those two. Simpan the baki in Swiss bank and watch it accumulate.

QUOTE(haobeck @ Jul 3 2009, 10:52 PM)
i rarely see Berba setup goals for ppl ...normally i saw from CR ..Scholes..and Carrick...or Giggs...
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Huh? Berba is our master in that. Scholes and Carrick are too deep to setup goals usually, and Ronaldo last 2 seasons think he is a striker rather than a winger.

QUOTE(creap @ Jul 3 2009, 11:21 PM)
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"It's all in my head. It's all in my head. Michael Owen is not coming. He's not in Carrington. The newspapers are reporting bollocks..."
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We still have Manucho. Stay strong! laugh.gif laugh.gif

QUOTE(Dr Jan Itor @ Jul 3 2009, 11:24 PM)
Redcafe's still down? Amazing impact owen has had already.
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QUOTE(hocksoo @ Jul 3 2009, 11:24 PM)
I must say, with Tevez and Ronaldo gone... we have reduce problem player (pubs, girls, party, moaning...)

Owen is very much a team player and focus on Football. Valencia picked United ahead of Real Madrid, loyalty is there.

I believe we have a squad fully focus on football and not on media spotlight. If Nani and Tosic able to step up and become the young version of Giggs, we have a very balance attacking football team.

Next season, we will see the power of Berba and Roon!!
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That's unfair on Ronaldo. He gave his best every time for us. He wants to be the best, and for that he always made sure he tried his best, although admittedly sometimes he focus too much on himself(I want to score mode) rather than the team.

QUOTE(driftmeister @ Jul 3 2009, 11:31 PM)
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QUOTE(animed @ Jul 4 2009, 03:00 AM)
this ultraman jersey kind of joke..who the hell design it..this season would see the drop of shirt selling business..dunno want to buy or not
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It look horrible at first for me, but now having seen the players wear it, it does look quite nice. Made last season's jersey really plain looking.

QUOTE(Eunose Roadster @ Jul 4 2009, 03:22 AM)
Welcome Owen....

SAF probably use him sparingly....more like a super sub I guess. He won't repeat what Steve Gon Ericsson and Newcastle Manager's of putting him straightly to the first 11 action. Pre-season is crucial for him. Let's hope he left Asia free injury. But there is a chance he won't follow the tour. Straight to US accompany OH to the knee specialist.

The wholesale from Real Madrid:

Rafael van der Vaart.
Wesley Sneijder
Arjen Robben

fancy any of those...? whistling.gif
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Don't mind Robben and Sneidjer. VDV can go back to Germany and be a big fish there. Overrated.


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QUOTE(deora @ Jul 4 2009, 03:40 AM)
lol..so happy??...pathetic signing..please prove me wrong michael glass owen

no need to console ourself when we cant get the best players la..lol
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Why pathetic? We don't really need a world beater of a striker. We needed a 3rd striker.. Owen fit the bill, provided that he's fit of course. He would guarantee goals when played. That's more than enough reason to get him. As for replacing Ronaldo, there's not that many options around other than Ribery who wants to go to Real. We got Valencia as his replacement.. and the squad don't need anymore additions.

Started 24 games for Newcastle last season and 5 for England, 27 games before that, and 4 for England. Pretty good amount, far more than Saha managed. He had those bad injuries in 05/06, 06/07, but aside from those, his number of starts look pretty good.. managing around 25.


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QUOTE(Eunose Roadster @ Jul 4 2009, 03:45 AM)
Forget own Ryan Giggs? Pacey winger do have similar problem with their hamstrings. But we have specialist at Carrington to monitor him.

For Sneidjer he's the engine at the midfield. He's performance been overshadow by Real Madrid underachievers team last season.

OH will probably be back during the Boxing Day. MU desperately need a midfielder. Anderson still need time to blend,Scholes is agening and so do Giggs....

Just my thoughts, Patrick Viera still have another 3 to 4 year....... whistling.gif
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Can Sneidjer play in a midfield 2? Played out wide for Real right? If he can't, he won't fit in with us. We don't really need a midfielder, unless Hargo retired or something. Giggsy and Scholes is still here. And if we bring in another player, Ando would never get enough games to grow.

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QUOTE(giotto @ Jul 4 2009, 09:11 AM)
The transfer of Owen really got me there. Totally didn't saw it coming and i must say SAF is taking a gamble in buying him. I liken this situation as when Wenger buying Silvestre last year. It could swing either way, one he makes no significant contribution to the team. Two, he suddently rediscovers his form and makes a large contribution in winning something. So far for Silvestre, its the former.

With Owen, he exploded into the scene way early. He was known to be a teenage prodigy star and had 5-6 really good years and was once the most feared striker. I think LFC made a good move to sell him to Real when he was starting to look like a fading star and they cashed in on him. In Real, he was alright but couldn't dislodge the galacticos and thereafter, his career took a nosedive and arguably his worst period is with Newscastle. Not only he failed miserably but he's injury prone too.

From an optimistic point of view, if the physio and medics at Man Utd can nurture him back to full fitness and carefully track the way he handles his body on and off the pitch, i seriously think Owen can have a second shot at fame again. I think at Newcastle, they might have rushed him back a little too early or didn't treat his injuries as well as the big clubs would have, considering he was their star player and is expected to perform every other game. With Man utd and the big four, they might look at it differently and try to ensure the players get full recovery before starting them again. Furthermore, you have good cover when you're out injured, as compared to smaller clubs who always try to get their star player back to the pitch ASAP.

Anyways, it will be interesting how Owen gets his second chance. Just when we thought he's a has been, he signs for arguably the biggest club and it remains to be seen.
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If Owen fail to perform, we would only have one player less who can score in a match, but if Silvestre fail, it's a goalscoring opportunity for the opposition. With Owen, the only thing we need to be careful of is with his injury. But look at his stats the last 2 seasons, it's pretty good, getting around 25 starts. Saha got less than 20 games a lot, while Owen only had 2 really bad seasons in terms of injuries when he was out for long(his first 2 seasons at Newcastle). His ability outside of the box is questionable, but his ability inside the box is probably better than most players, and in our club probable our best finisher. Just fly the ball into the box, and Owen will more often than not get on the end of it.

QUOTE(Sheep319 @ Jul 4 2009, 11:23 AM)
Maybe 69 brows.gif
What about Louis Owen?

Anyway, looking at uncle Wikipedia here, apparently he has a lot of thigh and calf problems.

o_o

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YOU KNOW WHAT IM THINKING

I think Fletcher will be given the number 7, whereby Valencia will get 24, the age he will be this year

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It's already official. Watch the shirt sales go through the roof..
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QUOTE(hocksoo @ Jul 4 2009, 11:58 AM)
There have been talks saying SAF failed to attract star. I must say, none of the manager in EPL is able to attract star as well. The point is all the star wished to play for Real Madrid.

Spanish league offer better salary, weather condition and not to mention, less tax. Player gets better salary after tax reduction in Spain. Not to mention Real Madrid processed large amount of money from "unknown" source and unbelievable club history as well.
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There's not many players who can improve teams. Most star players are already at big clubs, and generally transfer between top teams for stars is rare. They're better off getting players who could potentially end up as stars.
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QUOTE(deora @ Jul 4 2009, 05:18 PM)
dont really understand why everyone is bashing tevez now..not long ago..everyone is screaming 'sign him up'...zzzzzzzzzzz

so you're so sure those words come from tevez mouth himself???..not made up by the media???...such a shame

(PS: not long ago..there's a news bout ronaldo saying he wanted to leave last season or whatever..(something like that), and few days later, the company that represent ronaldo said he dint even spoke to the media...how's that??...can't believe some people still fall into this kind of media crap)
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If he truly didn't say those things, he or his 'owner' would have denied them already. I'm not sure about the latest quotes, but before this he already came out and said he felt the club didn't respect him enough.. just because he didn't get to play all the games. Boohoo. That's why people hate him. Not because he wanted to leave to search for regular football, that's understandable, but because he bad mouth the club just because he didn't get things his way.

QUOTE(robertngo @ Jul 4 2009, 05:42 PM)
but MU have not sign a player that can score like CR7 and Tevez, putting your faith in a injury prone and not in form striker is too dangerous. if Rooney or Berbartov got injured, who will lead the attack?
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Tevez scored 5 league goals last season. Whoope. Owen, Macheda and Welbeck is around. No worries. Owen started around 25 games last 2 seasons. Not that bad IMO.
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Danny Welbeck.. 08/09 actions.. part of it. Still a work in progress, and the audio ended at just under 4mins, and didn't bother to add another music in, but will fix that in the next upload..


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Kings of Leon - Be Somebody


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Danny Welbeck 08/09..
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Might do a Fletcher/Berba one if I have the time.. which I do for the next few weeks.
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Anybody got the highlights for the Liverpool away game last season? From Alien's list, only got the goals from that match.
Found it on fbtz.com

Anyway, those clips for the Welbeck vid I got from the first page. Big thank you to taiko Alien for compiling in one page, and those uploaders who uploaded the videos..

Berba is coming.. rclxub.gif

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Woohoo! Redcafe is BACK!

Fap fest is back.

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