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tgeoklin
post Jun 30 2009, 07:03 AM

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QUOTE(Reventon @ Jun 30 2009, 04:35 AM)
Hm... going to request it from CIMB today biggrin.gif , the good thing is CIMB still maintain free for life condition for this cards, looks like CIMB are working hard to grabs the market share of high-end cards in malaysia , better compared with SCB which is RM 800 AF .
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I think to be fair, looking at the benefits offered by SCB to their infinite cardholders to that by CIMB, its very worthwhile, especially if you do make use of them. The CIMB infinite, like their Worldcard offerings are in some ways not even equivalent to Plat cards offered by most banks. I mean, its equal to how you would feel about holding UOB's One Platinum, which is basically free as well, right? tongue.gif

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post Jun 30 2009, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(winner @ Jun 30 2009, 09:04 AM)
Well, as compared with SCB Visa Infinite, the new CIMB Visa Infinite is nothing to shout about. It may look attractive to those die-hard golfers. It does not offer free access to worldwide plaza premium lounge? The 0.5% cash rebate on local retail transaction is marginal. However, the strongest selling point is free for life. Btw, has anybody here managed to get AF waiver for SCB Visa Infinite?
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Being one of the very first to be issued the card, I will be more than happy to let you know in say, another 2 years whence the 3 years free annual fees expires tongue.gif

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post Jul 1 2009, 07:51 AM

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QUOTE(winner @ Jun 30 2009, 07:28 PM)
I wonder why CIMB issues Visa Infinite too under its subsidiary DA. I don't feel they will complement each other. They are under the same group. This will only confuses customers.

It's time for CIMB to drop DA brand. DA alone doesn't sound like a bank. CIMB brand is much stronger and more recognised than DA. Southern Bank had long been acquired by CIMB and it's already a past story.
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Actually DA was a spin-off from Southern Bank, which was then bogged down and sloggish in order to improve services for personal banking thus taking out the corporate element and other unnecessary obstacles related to full fledge banking. It took off very successfully since it has a different management composition and it was them who introduced the first plat card to malaysian shore and not Southern Bank.

When CIMB took over Southern Bank, they too saw the wisdom of maintaining the independance of DA, which surprisingly has a much better card portfolio ie. much much lower repayment issue and provides better ROI than the generic CIMB cards. In fact the so called prestige CIMB cards today are a direct legacy from Southern Bank as otherwise they will still be another Bank Simpanan kind of card issuer.

Further, they both have individual card centre and staff fyi. And for a lot of graduates/professionals, they are indeed proud to hold the DA cards as opposed to the generic CIMB cards as it truly differentiates them. So in a way, the DA card label is actually even more prestige than CIMB's generic label, which will ensure its here to stay for quite awhile tongue.gif

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post Jul 1 2009, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(winner @ Jul 1 2009, 09:34 AM)
What's so special at the threat fair? Any good freebies? The new Amex gold cc might be promoted at the event.
Personally, I don't think having 2 entities selling the same concept within the same organisation is good in the long run. In today's challenging market, cost efficiency and branding are crucial to successful management. 

In the case of CIMB/DA, they offer same products which may confuse public. If CIMB is worried about losing its market share from existing DA customers in the event that such consolidation happens, the effect, in my opinion, is insignificant. The reason being all the existing DA cardholders are already aware that DA is part of CIMB, with the exemption of a number of retailers and public. Moreover, CIMB has now learnt enough the success story of the "free for life" concept as well cc innovation and marketing.

Should such consolidation not happen in the future, CIMB should be more proactive and innovative by creating completely different products for its CIMB cc segment which can distinguish the 2 brands.

Just my 2 cents. smile.gif
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You hit it right on. DA is in fact more cost effective and efficient, while brand value is of course, much too subjective. As such, its not possible for CIMB to cancel its generic card and move everyone over to the DA line thus the rationale of retaining both lines until such times when the CIMB generic cards are able to stand out by themselves.

Further, success is not all about free for life cards only, as can be demonstrated by many paying card members around. Otherwise CIMB or DA would have wiped out the market when they were launched. But obviously CIMB is trying to change the perception that its generic cards are more prestige by upping its so called requirements but this does not change the fact that the market perception has not changed much as CIMB is still equated with the infamous Bank Bumi. tongue.gif
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post Jul 1 2009, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(arsenal @ Jul 1 2009, 02:16 PM)
Is there any link that say get discount at giant/tesco? Thanks
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There's a full page advertisement in today's Star
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post Jul 1 2009, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(Gen-X @ Jul 1 2009, 04:40 PM)
Guys, I did see the ad on DA for rebate at Giant and Tesco early this morning. If I recall correctly, its for Visa Infinte only right.

MC World on the other hand gets 2% rebate for petrol.
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Nope its across the whole range of DA cards but Visa & Master has different promotions which are mutually exclusive.
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post Jul 3 2009, 07:17 AM

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QUOTE(l3iTi @ Jul 3 2009, 12:06 AM)
Anyone get this card before?
Hong Leong Bank --> Essential ( Visa) ??

any benefits for it har? can't google for details bout this card...
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Its no longer in circulation sad.gif
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post Jul 3 2009, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(CoffeeDude @ Jul 3 2009, 05:04 PM)
I have a Direct Access Gold Mastercard.

How do I get it upgraded to a Platinum Mastercard?
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Download the CL increase form and submit back in together with all the relevant income documents or write in or call in to them and they will get back to you etc.
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post Jul 4 2009, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(mustang @ Jul 4 2009, 08:08 AM)
Bu I just managed to get hold of the card [HLB Visa Essential] yesterday.. Would like to confirm whether the 1% cash back still applies for all transaction [except those petrol transactions and some others which I can't recall]

*edited: And also why this card is not in circulation anymore?  unsure.gif
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Mind posting up a pic of the HLB Visa Essential? Far as we know, that particular range of card offers 1% rebate across the board with no capping. Withdrawn by HLB many years back. Would be good if it makes a come back though rclxms.gif
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post Jul 6 2009, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(zazaza2009 @ Jul 6 2009, 03:07 PM)
MileAndMore,

Quote: "VISA Signature, VISA Infinite, World Mastercard and World Mastercard Elite"

When will these cards will hit our shore? Entry req?
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They are already here, namely RHB Infinite, SCB Infinite, CIMB/DA World Mastercard & MBf World Mastercard if I remembered correctly. Min income required is RM150k and above.
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post Jul 6 2009, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(zazaza2009 @ Jul 6 2009, 05:05 PM)
Are these Elite and Signature cards more higher standar than Plats? I search the web and the cards are not that artfully designed.
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YES, these are the highest range cards by Visa/Master

As far as Visa is concerned, the signature cards were introduced in the US many years back and then replaced by the Infinite cards, which was supposedly a credit cum charge card. Signature cards on the other hand was supposed to be a co-branded card with prominant brand partners but now since overshadowed by the infinite cards.

World Mastercard is Master Card's version of the Visa Infinite while the Elite Version was supposedly a one up-manship. Closest version in M'sia would be the CIMB Enrich World Mastercard.

Guess its not how it looks but what it stands for that counts tongue.gif

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post Jul 6 2009, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(zazaza2009 @ Jul 6 2009, 05:25 PM)
How to afford such Datuk Datin standard cards? Sure a showoff la if use ! Respect la.
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Well, that's why we don't really see much of these cards yet. Maybe when they reduce the entry requirements ........ hmm.gif

However, we won't go so far as to label anyone a showoff as these cards does have their purposes in life. Eg. if you are to stay in the Burj Dubai for say a week, the bill can exceed RM100K, so its highly unlikely that a normal plat card will be able to manage such, not withstanding other travel charges such as air fare, transportations, shopping etc

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post Jul 7 2009, 07:19 AM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jul 7 2009, 07:03 AM)
Don't have to be huge amount. Slightly different situation. A friend had MBB Gold Card and he is a millionaire. He went overseas and his wife used her supplementary card to buy RM300 stuff. The bank called up once to verify and he told the bank not to do that again because it is such small amount and he is paying expensive roaming charges. When the wife used her card again the next day to make a 2nd purchase, the bank called him up again. He returned all his cards soon afterward.
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Hey, don't he knows Maybank don't take instructions from their card or account holder? Seriously, its a useless bank with useless products. The only reason its still alive is due to political support. Before I get flamed, Amex is not by Maybank, they merely bought out the franchise under ridiculous terms which is why they need to give such good rewards to make it a success asap to in order recoup tongue.gif

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post Jul 7 2009, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(zazaza2009 @ Jul 7 2009, 10:57 AM)
I have never been into Genting VIP room la, how to get in ar? Anyone can help? Like present normal Genting World Card can ar? Or need to present Platinum card? or Downpayment just to get in the VIP area?

Normally for fresh application for VISA Gold Card, can I know what is the credit limit vs monthly income formula like? E.g: Salary 3k, credit limit 9k; hence formula x3 salary?
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Once upon a time, having a SBB/DA access gold card & above would enable you access to the VIP area, now not sure. Why not give them a call? But I don't think a Genting World Card will do the trick hmm.gif

CL normally 1/3 of your annual income as a rule of thumb ie. for RM150K per annum income, you are normally given RM50K CL subjected to overall CL in existence ie. if you have multiple cards, chances are the limit will be lower etc

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post Jul 8 2009, 06:57 AM

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QUOTE(vampbreak @ Jul 7 2009, 10:07 PM)
Cannot be la. Coz my credit history was superb duperb  rclxm9.gif

I ring the bank tomorrow and ask. Will update you guys later.
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CS normally will not know. You may need to write in. Further, supp card does not carry any weight when applying for your own principle card. Another reason could be you are already having too many cards ie. cumulative CL threshold in breach per their requirement, so maybe you need to cancel one or two cards to make way?

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post Jul 8 2009, 08:08 AM

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QUOTE(vampbreak @ Jul 8 2009, 07:59 AM)
Well, I been invited to join Amex Platinum members sometimes ago. So I dont think I dint qualify for this JustOne card. Furthermore, Amex Gold Charge Card have higher requirement than JustOne and I easily meet those requirement. So put the Amex Centurion away, and still my financial history is strong. And I dont think holding multiple card is the problem as Dozz have 12 cards hmm.gif
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Erh, its not how many cards you have but how much liability the banks are willing to take on. Amex knows you but not SCB, so very different scenario. PB for eg will not approve anyone with more than 6 CCs etc. And Dozz is a high roller who even got his Amex Plat AF waived, when its supposedly unwaiveable, so guess can't take him as the normal benchmark, right?
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post Jul 8 2009, 08:27 AM

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QUOTE(vampbreak @ Jul 8 2009, 08:24 AM)
Hmm.. That make sense. But still don't know why I not eligible for the JustOne card  cry.gif

Let's wait for another 30-60 min and I ring the SCB. Will let you guys know.
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Don't take it so badly, its not that you are not eligible but just that they are too prudent cool2.gif

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QUOTE(zazaza2009 @ Jul 8 2009, 11:33 AM)
DINERS card, long time di never seen one. Maybe Ah Beng uses one.
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Hey, I have had my Diners for decades & last I check, no one had ever refer to me as an Ah Beng hmm.gif

Btw, I just received my Delsey luggage from SCB today rclxm9.gif So any of you guys got yours yet?
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QUOTE(tinkerbel @ Jul 8 2009, 06:36 PM)
@tgeoklin,
Er.. what promotion is that?! *smiles*  Having fun with the new bag?!  What size is it ah?!

@b00n,
U sent him on vakesyen for how long lah? tongue.gif
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Its cabin size plus a laptop bag. Got it from the recent promotion where you need to spend RM25K and above within 3 months or something. Not much fun but per SCB, the value is ard USD650, so syiok sendiri saja tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Jul 9 2009, 08:26 AM)
A recently court decision has ruled, in cases like yours, the limit is RM250. This is the law of Malaysia and override any contract the card company may impose on you.
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Please understand, a Court Decision is only precedent setting but not retrospective binding. Further, to use the above ruling without knowing or understanding fully the judgement rationale is very misleading as circumstances may differ rolleyes.gif


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