This is third year in the running now and multi-platform games still fare much better on the 360 then the PS3. Are the 3rd party developers still struggling with the PS3 hardware? So far only Sony's own games are able too out perform the 360 but can a console survive with only first party titles. If 3rd party developers cannot find success with the PS3, it will be a difficult task for the PS3 to succeed in this generation console race.

yes, new release Ghostbuster: the game also failed to deliver what PS3 capable for, luckily I'm not interested with multiplaform games (unless it's good) only aim for exclusive tittles like Uncharted 2 or Mass Effect 2

is that multiplatform? correct me if im wrong

whoops sorry, for PC also

bro ajis daydreaming again

If Ps3 is so hard to program, we will see less quality games from third party. I think even sony's own studio are having hard time with the PS3 hardware. Just look at GT3. Its been 4-5 years yet no release date. Sony can afford this long development time and budget but other third party cannot. If third party put in so much time and money to a game, they will go bust before they even release the game. Afterall , making games is a risky business and with the current scenerio, i can safely say that we will never see quality titles from 3rd party coming to PS3 as its just not justifiable to make. just my opinion.

If there's a thread you don't like, just don't post in it instead of filling it with pointless spams. And even if this subforum is post count disabled this does not give you a free pass to spam without restraint, and warnings can still be given for such offences.

This post has been edited by Pr1me_Minister: Jun 19 2009, 05:18 PM

new mod.. sigh...

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Added on June 19, 2009, 6:19 pmout perform? how did u compare with it since u didnt know how it would be look like when it runs on xbox360.it's just an assumption of urself.

This post has been edited by msn83235502: Jun 19 2009, 06:19 PM

take nintendo for example...
they're known to have some of the best first party titles without much thrid party titles...
are they in the console race still?
if the first party titles are strong, the console itself should sustain...

on the other hand, sony do have a pretty big lineup of third party titles...
and the games are pretty much balanced for both the ps3 and the 360 each with their strengths and weaknesses...

let us see how is ff13, crysis2 and MG:R would perform...
those 3 to me would be the benchmark...

Just look at the Ghostbuster game......360 version much better then the PS3. And many more...too much to list down.

Sony's game dude....Sony's game....

Yea... i agreed with msn83235502.

No.1) You clearly don't look at software sales. Don't act like an analyst.
No.2) You know nuts about game design, so don't act like a developer.
No.3) PS3 isn't hard to code for, it's the process of porting a code over that makes it hard. Get your facts right.

That 3 points pretty much sums everything up that needs to be said about this thread.

as far as I know, PS3 first party devs made amazing games.


Uncharted, Killzone2, GT5P (GT3 was for PS2 ) Heavenly Sword, inFamous, Ratchet and Clank Quest of the Booty, Ratchet and Clank Future, Little Big Planet,Hakuna Matata, WIPEOUT (1080P while RACING), Motorstorm1, Motorstrom2, Socom Confrontation. Why can these games be programmed so good ? The developers were given the same Dev Kits. Or maybe simply they are first party studio? Oh ya, the devs of Little Big Planet are not first party devs..Killzone2's too..why ah? and lets look at third party exclusive like MGS4 and Burnout Paradise.Oh COD4 too. Look at how both platforms had amazing looks and gameplay.

I honestly think this thread existed because of Ghostbusters :lo: fiasco. ONE dev. One.

And I suspect , very typical of TS, after throwing the stone, she hides away. No input what so ever. And I really want to know these developerS that are struggling I know Sega didnt. Just look at Yakuza3 and Valkrya Chronicles.

Developers are like artists. Its up to them on how they want to paint. As simple as that. If the painting sucks, blaming the canvas is a sign of uber idiocy.

☆彡 Mod Edit ☆彡 SE has not yet released the screens for Xbox360 version of FFXIII, please point out a reliable sources if you have managed to find these screens.

This post has been edited by Pr1me_Minister: Jun 20 2009, 05:56 PM

what spam?

we have been through this kind of thread before, TS posts anti-PS3 comments based around the smallest defects, this is his like the 18th time or so he has done this.

and yeah, just one dev makes one mistake on one game means a thread has to be opened up because of it.

he's a new mod hitman, be gentle.. he still struggling to know what is happening here. LOL.

and for sniper, i agreed with u...Developers are like artists. Its up to them on how they want to paint. As simple as that. If the painting sucks, blaming the canvas is a sign of uber idiocy.

the content is the same, gameplay also the same..... just the gfx part not par btw console in minor details... also its dev 1st attempt on ps3, using their new engine.... (they used to be develop games for MS)

as to TS, third party support still do lag behind but they are improving...

This post has been edited by shahreza2000: Jun 19 2009, 09:14 PM

check the wii game...it plays exactly like its PS3 and 360 counterparts in the sense that the gameplay mechanics are the same (the control however is different), the graphics are not nearly as good as the 360s or PS3s but what can be said is that its just as fun. Why is it that graphics are the only thing that is judged with a PS3 vs 360 scenario?

I own both consoles, i love them both and i loeve playing and talking about games from both communities. A true gamer is one that ignores such VS scenarios and plays games for what they are and what fun they will bring. If people contantly point out the mistakes made by a company, they are not gamers they are fanboys.

+1 hitman
fanboys are always sucks.

msn ftw

True to that,
Just like some FB that kept posting pics to downgrade certain consoles

*cough*
Dude, nobody care about race/sales, only exclusives /sarcasm

This post has been edited by Hisyam91: Jun 19 2009, 11:51 PM

Maybe i'm wrong about the PS3 as a console that is hard to develop for. I know nothing about programing. But what I do know is that third party games for PS3 has been poor in comparison to the 360...and that is a fact no one can deny. maybe the developer intentional dump down the game because MS paid them off? Maybe the developer is just too lazy? Maybe the developer is just lousy? Whatever the case, 3rd party titles on the PS3 is just not as good as the 360. You can choose to buy it on PS3 or the 360...its your money!

why all the PS3 hate all time man...i mean you are the only individual here in this whole forum to constantly open up threads that criticize the PS3...

none of the PS3 members do it to the 360 or Wii
none of the Wii members do it to the PS3 and 360
none of the 360 members it the PS3 and Wii

but you are the only one to do so...

he's not hating ps3.... just not feeling the same as ps2 era supremacy..

he wants all ps3 titles quality on par or above....hint at some of the developers...

This year looking at the list of games that are going to be released on ps3, sure pokai.... too many awesome titles...

This post has been edited by shahreza2000: Jun 20 2009, 02:45 AM

Right....

I wonder where were you during the PS2-Xbox-GC days.
I wonder where were you during the NES/Atari 2600 days.

Nothing to say about the ports back then? Just go take a brief look at the ports for the NES and 2600.
Infact there are games that don't even PLAY THE SAME despite the fact they HAVE THE SAME TITLE, SAME RELEASE DATE, and SAME ADVERTS.


Why so many games are poor in comparison to the 360 from the PS3? The engine that's being used.
Anyone with half a brain in the industry knows that 40% of the games out in the market utilizes the Unreal Engine 3. UE3 sucks bawls on the PS3, like it or not. Blame EPIC for creating a shitty ass engine that is hard to get working on the PS3.

Even Mark Rein himself admitted their engine wasn't properly built to begin with if used on the PS3. They are going through alot of improvements and optimization to bring that gap close for games using UE3.

Developers too lazy? While no doubt there definitely is a few which are just pure lazy. But you have no idea just how much work they put into a game. People like you take things for granted and do not know what has went down in the process of development for a game. Naive, pampered, kid you are.

LOL the first bold.
Well, there's Valve..
They even admit It's hard to develop for PS3,
Try looking it from their point of view,
More money, work and time spend to do it, but the result are still bad, so its understandable.

Cant say he's the only person Naive here
Dont work as developing game = do not know what has went down in the process.


Nope, you are right about that,

Try reading this Article,
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/busi...m=1245400825888

This post has been edited by Hisyam91: Jun 20 2009, 07:09 AM

seriously dude, if you have nothing to contribute, like facts etc, dont even bother posting. this kind of thread needs people that has been gaming at least from NES days. not somebody who still receive pocket money from daddy dearest. its like pot calling kettle black.

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then why so many good exclusives coming from PS3? Answer that. Like I said before, blaming the canvas when the painting sucks is pure idiocy.

all platforms have good games. good. just because some people cant afford one platfrom, they diss it oh I was talking about Valve



This post has been edited by snipersnake: Jun 20 2009, 07:13 AM

I thought I gave a link that prove a games company that said PS3 is hard to develop on
Why did you bring pocket money and my dad in here? What are you 9 year old?

That's easy,
Well, my opinion that is, might not be actually true.
Most exclusive has been support by Sony, either it's money or work.
Sony help them to polish the game.. simple right?
Lets see, KZ2 production cost is $21 million (from Gamespot, want link?)
And MS paid $50 million for GTA4 DLC..

From what I heard.. KZ2 sales are..
Oh wai-
That is soooo out-of-topic.

Still, I see a lot of developers that admit it's hard to develop games for PS3.

Pure idiocy? Niceee one
Weird about the second bold. Must be a 9 year'ol pointing out their own opinion without knowing the truth

This post has been edited by Hisyam91: Jun 20 2009, 07:28 AM

[quote=Hisyam91,Jun 20 2009, 07:20 AM]
I thought I gave a link that prove a games company that said PS3 is hard to develop on
Why did you bring pocket money and my dad in here? What are you 9 year old?
[/quote]

did I said anything about YOU?

[quote]
That's easy,
Well, my opinion that is, might not be actually true.[/quote]
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
[quote]
Most exclusive has been support by Sony, either it's money or work.
Sony help them to polish the game.. simple right?[/quote]
any links?

[quote]Lets see, KZ2 production cost is $21 million (from Gamespot, want link?)
And MS paid $50 million for GTA4 DLC..[/quote]
Well, that proves money spins the world, like wanted by this someone

[quote=lulz,Jun 4 2009, 12:43 PM]
Source : N4g and G4



Well, it's FF..

Anyway, I wonder if MS succeed in getting it? That will be another slap for them

[/quote]

[quote]
From what I heard.. KZ2 sales are..
Oh wai-
That is soooo out-of-topic.[/quote]
Good. So number of sales equals to good quality games
[/quote]

[quote]
Still, I see a lot of developers that admit it's hard to develop games for PS3.

[/quote]
where?Kojima didnt, and so many people want their product

ah of to market, got a family to feed

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Pure idiocy? Niceee one
Weird about the second bold. Must be a 9 year'ol pointing out their own opinion without knowing the truth

[/quote]

[quote]
all platforms have good games. good. just because some people cant afford one platfrom, they diss it oh I was talking about Valve

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Learn to read. You will need the skills when you go to higher institution of learning.Another advice from me, attack the idea, not the poster. Thats how you develop a mature debate.

This post has been edited by snipersnake: Jun 20 2009, 07:38 AM

Eh, I thought I posted that that picture,
Cant believe you take your time to find it and post it here *desperate*
Dude, repair your quote, it's hurting my eye.


Cant believe you miss the "My opinion"
But still, if you try google, you just "might" find some article about it.



Well, I do know number of sales = number of people that like the game

*ouch*
Chill man, it's a debate about a gaming console, it's not like it affect the surrounding.
Dont be soo serious la, it's a game.


This post has been edited by Hisyam91: Jun 20 2009, 07:51 AM

good, now learn the meaning of word = CONSIDER then the word CONFIRMED.

Links please

i am not supporting that cheapo lightning but i thought i should post this, since it was in the news on almost every gaming website.

eh? What link?
I prove my point about PS3 is hard to develop on(even post a link), what more do you want?
It's getting A and too much heat for me , it's a game man..
Sorry if I offended you mate.
Gonna visit N4g to kill some time, chill down aite

This post has been edited by Hisyam91: Jun 20 2009, 08:02 AM

Firstly, I admit I've never develop any games on PS3, but from what I know, the memory architecture and shader pipelines of both console make a huge difference in terms of engine development. Xbox360 utilizes unified memory architecture and unified shader model which means developer could just dump everything/anything into the memory/shader pipelines without micro-managing it. So, it is harder to code on PS3 for game developers who are developing their own engines.

That is why ikanayam always preach that Xbox360's Xenos is more DX10-ish than PS3's RSX.

Id say the best console to date is the xbox360 tons of exclusives,ps3 has just pick up the pace so we need to see who does well as GOW3 is coming soon FF13 is superb on the ps3 and the ultimate console seller GT5 will certainly boost ps3 sales tramendously. Xbox360 is great for its online services compared to PSN

The reason I point that PS3 isn't hard to code for is because, I haven't heard or seen a single first party or second party developer complaining.

Probably "hard" isn't the word here... but yes, there are various engines which utilizes unified shader models (Source and UE3) that runs like crap on the PS3's RSX. Thus I said, hard to port the code over. Games which are made on these engines aren't done on the PS3, they're either done on the PC primarily or on the PC. Now we all know how close of an arichitecture both the 360 and PC shares.

OH THANK YOU. I was looking for the right words for it
see..we all can discuss maturely without those name calling

Loser that insert some F words and private parts inside a comments =

Well, it's weird how it end up with first and second
I thought TS wrote about 3rd..

This post has been edited by Hisyam91: Jun 20 2009, 01:16 PM

I believe Ben meant 3rd

I dont think there are no such things as second party dev.

OR. maybe second party devs that build games that are exclusives, something like Kojima's MGS4 and Little Big Planet.

This post has been edited by snipersnake: Jun 20 2009, 01:21 PM

Correct me if im wrong,
But 1st are Sony Entertainment
2nd are like Kojima teams/MGS4/LBP/Insom/Guerilla??/Naughty Dog.
3rd most of the times, multiplatform developer.

a prove that its expensive to develop games for ps3

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6212246.html?...adlines;title;1

I hope you ain't calling me a loser.

Comparison wise man.
If first-party and second-party devs can do it, I don't see why third-parties can't.

Okay, sure... first and second parties are pretty much more or less exclusive (besides FFXIII ). You may say that they have way more time to concentrate on one console, exploiting its strenghts and covering its weaknesses. You may also say, Sony gives more support to first and second-party devs too.

But if you look back at history, wasn't the PS1 and PS2 hard to develop for?
The PS2 was actually, infact harder to develop for than the PS3. By miles actually... atleast PS3 has support for the general C++ language. PS2 uses proprietary languages by Sony themselves. You freaking need 10 textbooks beside you when programming something on it.

Yes.... PS3 is way more expensive to develop for. Considering the install base isn't as large as the 360, revenue for the games are also harder to gain. Very very true. Blame Sony for the high price of the PS3, they still don't want to drop it.



Konami is a third-party dev. MGS4 is a third-party game. MGS4 isn't multi-platform.... yet, or if it ever will be.
Second party devs are games published by Sony, not developed. Games like these are Uncharted, Killzone 2, Heavenly Sword, R&C, inFamous and most importantly, Gran Turismo itself.

all right, did you even bother to read the news? it was the same news

aside from guitar hero and COD4 and other activision games we will be missing?

RB will totally fill that void. and a lot of ps3 owners I know are busy with Socom and Killzone2

activision wants to withdraw? i say LET THEM

Uh of course not,
The person I was referring to got his post deleted, Poof! gone, restricted word was insert in his comments.

About PS2 being hard,
Bah, how should I know, too young to care about it, plus it's the KING

Oh, second party all were published by Sony.
Thanks mate for the correction.

But still, look at most PS2 game/Low budget company, it's getting harder/impossible to see their games on PS3, most of it go to PSP/NDS/Wii

I do believe PS3 has the superior Oblivion compared to the 360 version, and Burnout looks more vibrant on PS3, why no one brings this up?

I do believe it's more difficult to develop games on the PS3 as confessed by Kaz Hirai here http://news.cnet.com/sony-ps3-is-hard-to-d...for-on-purpose/, but it doesn't mean games are inferior on PS3. It all depends on the developers' ability to dig the PS3's power out.

I rest my case

knowledge is indeed POWER.

Yea, smaller budget teams really has not much of a standing in this generation's of development costs.
It's just way too high, unlike the SNES days.... where even a high-school kid could come up with a game and release it for sale.

In Japan, there are actually thousands of unknown 3-man team PS2 developers running all over.
They're so good at developing on the PS2 that they can still make a living out of it just selling in one street of Tokyo.
Gosh, talk about commitment.


There are various other multi-platform games that has the edge on the PS3 too.
Example, Tomb Raider Underworld has way better shadows, correct contrast, no screen tearing and a solid framerates.

But the majority is that multi-platform games just performs better on the 360.
We have reached a point where unless you place 2 games side-by-side, you won't see a difference.
Of course save for except the recent fiasco of Ghostbusters, F'ing up so badly on the PS3 despite the ironic developer's claims. They're eating their own words now.

Lol... I bet Lighting is sitting in front of the computer, eating pop corn and enjoying the war. So what is the point to argue who is better or easier to develop for? U got your PS3, enjoy it. If you got Xbox 360, enjoy it too. So for whatever reason that you can't own more than one console, please stop bashing other console because you only make yourself look like a fool.

I'm a huge Sony fanboy but I don't write things to provoke 360 users because in the end, I can prove nothing but only my idiotic behavior. So lighting, I don't know what your motive for posting all these things but in the end, no one will respect you. You are only proving to us that you are nothing but a flame starter with a sick mind.

Enjoy the things we have... rather than hating the thing we never own.

Well, I believe you know that justification is not a valid one. None of the first/second party developer complains doesn't mean it is not hard, we won't hear Peter Molyneux b****ing about Xbox360, don't we?

Although, engine licensing is getting more popular now, but there are a lot of developers that still uses their own proprietary engines, for example, Codemasters, Ubisoft, Rockstar, Kojima Productions and if you disagree that it is hard for them to develop their games and engines for PS3, I will not try to debate it anymore.

Indeed, Xbox360 and Windows architecture is very similar, to port a game developed using XNA to Xbox360 only takes around 5-10 button clicks. That's how easy Microsoft made it for small-independent developers.
Third party developers have a lot more things to worry about (in the sense that their game is multiplatform) and they can't concentrate their effort/resources to make it work best with PS3. As simple as that, it is not an apple to apple comparison.

I do agree that PS2 is harder than PS3, but again, it is not a fair comparison. PS2 does not have a strong rival as Dreamcast died a premature death. I have to correct you that, I've seen a PS2 games that are developed in assembly, C and C++. It is hard not because of the programming language, because the architecture was very different/advance compared to PC platform back then.

All in all, some developers love the challenges - some don't, some have the resources to develop on PS3 - some don't. IMHO, it won't be as fun/special if every developers are capable of developing Crysis level of graphics.

When you are working for Sony, do you come out and talk bad about your company? Or do you?

Just look at how long it takes to code KZ2, GT5, AND and the many PS3 exclusive. They are no doubts great games from sony, but for third party developer, they just cannot dump in all the money and time to make game for PS3 especially when there is an alternative console which can be done cheaper and faster. Its a business and PS3 just don't make business sense and that is why you are seeing developer that just don't bother to make the PS3 version better because its a multi-platform game and regardless of you pick up an xbox360 version of PS3, its a sales to them.

So for you PS3 fans out here, you can continue to spend your hard earn cash and buy the inferior PS3 version of the games. Nobody stopping you. This thread is not to condemn sony but to highlight the fact that majority of the third party titles is inferior on the PS3. You can discuss about this or take your PS3 fanboys attitude elsewhere. For me, I only buy PS3 exclusive games because all others sucks and I am playing it on the 360. It so sad to see Sony with such a great third party support in the PS2 era to lose it all.

like I said, blaming the canvas for a sucky painting is foolish

You see , threads like this ALWAYS pop up whether it be on any website and even this forum whenever a 360 multiplat game "looks" or performs better than a PS3 game (HELLO GHOSTBUSTERS). If its the other way around , it seems not many people actually care or want to bring up the topic . I have not seen any people talking about how the PS3 version of Prototype is supposedly superior to the 360 version while people have been screaming about how ghostbusters on PS3 looks worse than on the 360 .
I read somewhere that in an interview with Valve , they said they develop for the 360 because the architecture is more similiar to the PC architecture compared to the PS3 . Basically this means that programming for the 360 is easier than the PS3 . In summary : Developers are lazy to code for the PS3 because it takes more work .

Also ,

Most multiplatform games are equal on both platforms . I believe that games such as RE5 , SFIV have proven this point . Even if some games look slightly better on the 360 does it even matter ? You usually can barely tell the difference between the 2 versions unless you zoom in 400% and play with a magnifying glass in front of your face.

This post has been edited by Sey: Jun 20 2009, 06:46 PM

But GT5 prologue looks stunning on the ps3 not even forza 2 can match.

wow...this thread is on fire...

i just find it strange that some enjoy criticizing the PS3 for it being to expensive or to hard to code or its Blu Ray sucks...

Why?

Do fanboys from all sides enjoy making fun of other consoles they do not paly or do not own? Does it make them feel superior to the fact that they own a better console?

These threads are a way to bring the fanboys out of the toilet and onto the threads. The fanboys whine and say oh my console is easier to program, mine has more exclusives, mine is better than Piss Ass 3/XLame 360. Then all the fanboys go around and say OH I AM JUST SAYING THIS BECAUSE ITS TRUE BECUASE I HEARD IT FROM KOTAKU/G4/GAMING WEBSITE. This is always the case, fanboys get their material from gaming websites and developer interviews. Everytime a game is released a comparison competition always occurs and that in my mind is stupid move on the part of the websites because they know the ruckus it will cause in the gaming threads across the world.

I admit it maybe harder to develop for the PS3...but you know what...its not impossible...TS thinks that just because the PS3 is hard to develop every devloper would shy away and leave. Both the Xbox and PS3 have their own troubles, the Xbox 360 with its reliability and the PS3 with its developer troubles. But these problems are ways that fanboys on both sides feed on. I find it amusing that just because of one fault that a console has a person has to wage a crusade against it and no doubt that person will gather the wrath of both sides. From what i have seen in this thread is that people post blindly links to websites that criticize the PS3, blindly in the sense that it was one person stating his opinion or events that happened once in a while or simple rumours.

Look Lightning i know you dislike the PS3, i know you enjoy the 360 alot more. But look at it from the point of view of a gamer, you are just helping fragment the 360 players and PS3 players...that is so terrible that i cant even describe how sick i am to think of it. We are in Malaysia, outside KL and Selangor and certain areas we are a rare breed that depend on one another for fun. I for one love my interaction with my 360, PS3 and Wii bretheren. I deeply respect all all these players here and i have a deep respect for all the consoles, why cant you set aside you disdain for the PS3 and come over to have a simple game of Killzone 2 after that we all can play a rousing game of Halo 3. See?

Its not hard to share the love and respect between consoles is it?

The same goes to all the players here on this thread. Cast away those fanboy goggles and pick up a rival controller and ejoy a game.

Must be weird,
I dont see this kind of thread always, unless you're talking about how 360 games need to fit more than 1 disc kind of thread

Well,
You cant just assume Developer are lazy just because they dont want to code for the PS3.
There's Che'Ching $ , works and time needed.



Oh Shi-
There goes another one..

Anyway,
This thread is about how 3rd party developer finds it hard to develop for PS3 "currently" (Just like PS1/PS2, get easier by time)
Not about how inferior PS3 is, exclusives game like The Last Guardian can prove how powerful the console is,
So

Read my first post and tell me which line disrespect the PS3 owners? I was merely asking why until today is the developer still struggling with the PS3 hardware and a majority of the games is still not up on par with the 360. Isn't that the truth? And why can't Ps3 owners here stand up like a man and discuss the issue without resorting to personally attacking me for raising a true and genuine issue the Ps3 face? Just look at what Activision's boss has to say about abandoning their support for the PS3 if sony don't get their act together. This what sony is facing now...losing third party support and all I stated here is nothing but a clear issue which non of the Ps3 fanboys here are able to stand up like a man to discuss, but rather resort to fanboy attack!

There are quite a few articles and forum topics around the net on how the 360 version of Ghostbusters is superior to the PS3 version .

I am a consumer , when i fork out my $$ i expect my product to be something of quality and not something made while the developer is high on booze and picking his nose. If they can't do a decent job at it , then why sell their product at all?


http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/busi...icle6531367.ece
I don't see anything about performance on the PS3 or being hard to code for , or any development difficulties being stated by the Activision boss. All he is stating is the PS3 is expensive , and Sony needs to cut the price or else their attach rate will drop . Personally i do agree with him . Did you even read the article before bringing it up in your post ?

Uh, if you intend to surf the net just to see what people discuss about ghostbuster,
Of course you'll see that a lot. I could find tons of result that show/discuss about "this" and "that".

Expensive?
Well, I think it's this,
More time = more money spend for workers
More Money = spend more on advance stuff to create game for advance console
More work = same as time, need to pay the workers more $

If it's easy, there wont be Expensive stated. Just my opinion that is..

Just FYI he's referring to the PS3 Pricepoint not developing costs.

Fair enough i missed that , but then he also says this

Which is basically saying , Sony should cut the price or else attach rates will drop .

I still think Activision's statement is an empty threat . IIRC its posted on neogaf that 40% of Activision's income comes from Sony platforms .

This post has been edited by Sey: Jun 20 2009, 08:59 PM

well, seeing you just registered Dec last year, its not surprising. All of the threads were created by the same ts

This post has been edited by snipersnake: Jun 20 2009, 09:10 PM

still have the pic of the motivational pic of the TS? =p

anyways its the media that has been potraying sony being bad since ps2 was the king back then...
its something that sells for them...
how often we hear multiplatform on 360>ps3 when both have its strengths and weaknesses?

this thread was started before activision came out to say something. i was making a point about sony losing support from developer and it shows in their games. Anyone here can disagree with my opinions but that doesn't give you the right to accuse me of trolling.

This post has been edited by lightning69: Jun 20 2009, 09:42 PM

dunno all of u never heard of it. but once sony said ps3 is more complex to developer due to open gl it use.

Xbox 360 clearly had advantages on most multiplatform games so far before PC pwnd it all. No doubt about it. However the different was too small unless you guys had picky eyes. Aside Tomb Raider Underworld, another game I notice after looking closely until my eyes bleed had favor PS3 is Burnout Paradise. We should thanks some company like Square-Enix & CAPCOM for working hard to make their games like Final Fantasy XIII, Devil May Cry 4 & Resident Evil 4 equal on both platform. At least they tried although not 100% perfect. Terminal Reality (Ghostbusters) is a bunch lazy dev.

This post has been edited by x_barrage: Jun 24 2009, 02:05 PM

even GTA4 looks better on the 360 compared to the ps3

Everyone knows that some games looks better on the PS3 and some games look better on 360. But is general, most game perform better on the 360....and this is what this thread is about. And if this kind of issue cannot be discuss, then just leave and don't post anything.

i read somewhere PS3's GTA4 do not have pop up issues
well the game is overrated anyways

anyways..

A good time to consider PSP GO! I know I am.

This post has been edited by snipersnake: Jun 21 2009, 10:58 AM

GT is one of the best racing games ever. I hope this one will turn out great after all this years of programming time they put into it.

it sshould. there are no excuses for PD. But, since GT to GT4, they never let us down. Oh ya, one thing during GT4. They said it was online enabled, even some videos of GT4 going online in BETA surfaced, but they pulled the thing in the last minute

It would be a big mistake if its not online.

since GT5P is online, so that wouldnt be a concern

This post has been edited by snipersnake: Jun 21 2009, 02:16 PM

lol
the famous god if lighting

GTA4 PS3 also had freezing issue. There is no perfect console in the world.

Rather talking about PS3 exclusive GT5, we shall wait Need for Speed: Shift which is multiplatform suitable for this topic. EA is talking big about this title will pwnd Forza 3 & I consider GT5 too. We’ll see whether it will living up the hype.

This post has been edited by x_barrage: Jun 21 2009, 02:34 PM

the engine that those people use is the same engine they use on their pc sim driving sim. I am skeptical, but lets wait and see.

EA always talk big but deliver small. Their NFS series have been downhill so far. The only one I keep coming back so far is Burnout which I think is much more fun then GT series.

GT is more simulation then NFS series...
never buy NFS in PS3.. wasted a lot of money
more prefer Burnout

for me NFS carbon was the last NFS i played and enjoyed,undecover is really a turndown

The best NFS?

Definately Hot Pursuit2

i would agree with sniper on NFS:HP2 as the best nfs i played...
i did had fun with underground1 but that game lack the police chase =p

lack of adrenaline rush la kawan

The best NFS for me is NFS: Porsche Unleashed. It is nothing to do with Porsche but because it has damage simulation although not very detail. However it is early car racing game had make damage simulation popular & the idea followed by Forza Motorsport.

New NFS: Shift also being co-developed by same team on NFS: Porsche Unleashed & GTR. That’s why EA feel they got the best team around.

i totally forgotten HP2 dem that game really is the best NFS i played,just love the police chase.

need for speed prostreet my car always always went summersault... & have to start again.. most difficult racing game I've played.. motorstorm always don't know where you're going.. sega rally revo my fav at the moment

lol



lol again


lol again x2

do u know the history of GT ? /x_barrage

all the wait for GT5 is because contents of the game .. not because of hard to develop for PS3 ,

same goes to Killzone 2 / MGS4 , not the so call "making a engine" that cost the time .. its the creativity of how the game should perform and beat all the "current best" games

uncharted 2 say HELLO !

last word : most of ppl got it wrong , not all multiplatform games are bad on ps3 .. only few is bad port and few are good on ps3 . dont confuse about that guys ..

No one says all multi are bad on PS3. No one deny that Uncharted 2 , Killzone2 or GOW3 is looking awesome. But I can safely say that most third party developers are not finding much success with the Ps3 now. In fact some even threaten to abandon the Ps3 platform. And most of the best seller franchise on the Ps2 has gone 360 with tremendous success. I know there is a lot of love for the Ps3 out there, but there is a lot who have left for others which currently are getting more love judging from the numbers out there. I don't hate the pS3, i just think that those good old times is gone for sony.

as i said bro , its few are bad port , not most of third party games bad ..

"threaten to abandon the Ps3 platform" is BS !

trolls like to make treads and comments about ps3 always get bad port for almost all the third party games , its one of the reason y ps3 not selling much multipatform titles .. and also coz some lazy developers that only loves money ! not the satisfaction for costumer ...

its not sony fault .. its ps3 haters !

sony is doing great , alot exclusives , great quality , thats wat all gamers need ... rite ?

Only a few years ago, Sony is the king of gaming with 70% market share. Now almost 3 years since the PS3 debut Sony is not even close to 30% market share. Only the dumbest of dumbest can say PS3 is doing great! Only a few years ago, sony have all the exclusive its competition can only dream of. Now sony can only rely on its own game(which is not bad at all) but is it enough? Judging from the current scenerio, it has hurt sony so bad that it can't even afford to cut the price of its hardware. Why? Because even the best games sony has to offer is not selling half as well what its its competition has to offer. One could only ask how could a giant tumble so fast. In reality, even the unsinkable Titanic sank!

This post has been edited by lightning69: Jun 22 2009, 01:34 AM