This is third year in the running now and multi-platform games still fare much better on the 360 then the PS3. Are the 3rd party developers still struggling with the PS3 hardware? So far only Sony's own games are able too out perform the 360 but can a console survive with only first party titles. If 3rd party developers cannot find success with the PS3, it will be a difficult task for the PS3 to succeed in this generation console race.

If Ps3 is so hard to program, we will see less quality games from third party. I think even sony's own studio are having hard time with the PS3 hardware. Just look at GT3. Its been 4-5 years yet no release date. Sony can afford this long development time and budget but other third party cannot. If third party put in so much time and money to a game, they will go bust before they even release the game. Afterall , making games is a risky business and with the current scenerio, i can safely say that we will never see quality titles from 3rd party coming to PS3 as its just not justifiable to make. just my opinion.

Just look at the Ghostbuster game......360 version much better then the PS3. And many more...too much to list down.

Maybe i'm wrong about the PS3 as a console that is hard to develop for. I know nothing about programing. But what I do know is that third party games for PS3 has been poor in comparison to the 360...and that is a fact no one can deny. maybe the developer intentional dump down the game because MS paid them off? Maybe the developer is just too lazy? Maybe the developer is just lousy? Whatever the case, 3rd party titles on the PS3 is just not as good as the 360. You can choose to buy it on PS3 or the 360...its your money!

When you are working for Sony, do you come out and talk bad about your company? Or do you?

Just look at how long it takes to code KZ2, GT5, AND and the many PS3 exclusive. They are no doubts great games from sony, but for third party developer, they just cannot dump in all the money and time to make game for PS3 especially when there is an alternative console which can be done cheaper and faster. Its a business and PS3 just don't make business sense and that is why you are seeing developer that just don't bother to make the PS3 version better because its a multi-platform game and regardless of you pick up an xbox360 version of PS3, its a sales to them.

So for you PS3 fans out here, you can continue to spend your hard earn cash and buy the inferior PS3 version of the games. Nobody stopping you. This thread is not to condemn sony but to highlight the fact that majority of the third party titles is inferior on the PS3. You can discuss about this or take your PS3 fanboys attitude elsewhere. For me, I only buy PS3 exclusive games because all others sucks and I am playing it on the 360. It so sad to see Sony with such a great third party support in the PS2 era to lose it all.

Read my first post and tell me which line disrespect the PS3 owners? I was merely asking why until today is the developer still struggling with the PS3 hardware and a majority of the games is still not up on par with the 360. Isn't that the truth? And why can't Ps3 owners here stand up like a man and discuss the issue without resorting to personally attacking me for raising a true and genuine issue the Ps3 face? Just look at what Activision's boss has to say about abandoning their support for the PS3 if sony don't get their act together. This what sony is facing now...losing third party support and all I stated here is nothing but a clear issue which non of the Ps3 fanboys here are able to stand up like a man to discuss, but rather resort to fanboy attack!

this thread was started before activision came out to say something. i was making a point about sony losing support from developer and it shows in their games. Anyone here can disagree with my opinions but that doesn't give you the right to accuse me of trolling.

This post has been edited by lightning69: Jun 20 2009, 09:42 PM

Everyone knows that some games looks better on the PS3 and some games look better on 360. But is general, most game perform better on the 360....and this is what this thread is about. And if this kind of issue cannot be discuss, then just leave and don't post anything.

GT is one of the best racing games ever. I hope this one will turn out great after all this years of programming time they put into it.

It would be a big mistake if its not online.

EA always talk big but deliver small. Their NFS series have been downhill so far. The only one I keep coming back so far is Burnout which I think is much more fun then GT series.

No one says all multi are bad on PS3. No one deny that Uncharted 2 , Killzone2 or GOW3 is looking awesome. But I can safely say that most third party developers are not finding much success with the Ps3 now. In fact some even threaten to abandon the Ps3 platform. And most of the best seller franchise on the Ps2 has gone 360 with tremendous success. I know there is a lot of love for the Ps3 out there, but there is a lot who have left for others which currently are getting more love judging from the numbers out there. I don't hate the pS3, i just think that those good old times is gone for sony.

Only a few years ago, Sony is the king of gaming with 70% market share. Now almost 3 years since the PS3 debut Sony is not even close to 30% market share. Only the dumbest of dumbest can say PS3 is doing great! Only a few years ago, sony have all the exclusive its competition can only dream of. Now sony can only rely on its own game(which is not bad at all) but is it enough? Judging from the current scenerio, it has hurt sony so bad that it can't even afford to cut the price of its hardware. Why? Because even the best games sony has to offer is not selling half as well what its its competition has to offer. One could only ask how could a giant tumble so fast. In reality, even the unsinkable Titanic sank!

This post has been edited by lightning69: Jun 22 2009, 01:34 AM

Actually Killzone 2 and Resistance 2 sold a lot more than that, but the numbers are still nothing great when compare to the likes of Halo and GOW. To some people, these sales number means nothing. But when you think about it, these are the best games that the PS3 have so far. If these best games are not selling that well, then what about those 3rd party titles? As a third party developer, you want to sell as many as possible and looking at the sales number of the PS3 games, you can understand why developers are not putting much effort into the PS3. When this happen, you get lower quality titles and less support. For PS3 to survive, it needs a lot of 3rd party support.

I am not suppose to discuss these thing here because this forum is for discussion of games only!

All my friends are PC gamer....WOW. I am the only one who is console gamer.

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Added on June 23, 2009, 1:44 pmtalking about PS3 not getting a lot of love...

Over the weekend Left 4 Dead 2 appeared on the EA Website listing the PS3 as a platform that the game will be hitting. Since then, the listing has since been removed leading many to believe that EA let loose the secret of L4D2 PS3 plans. Valve's Doug Lombardi had this to say:

"That's a typo. Check the trailer - 'exclusively on Xbox 360 and PC.'


Here is another piece of news...

Is It Worth Developing For PS3?

istockanalyst.com writes: The problems of the PS3 are multiple. It has a quirky new CPU architecture and a poor GPU which acts as a bottleneck, hobbling the capabilities of the machine. If this weren't enough there is the unavoidable fact that the PS3 isn't selling very well. We are in mid cycle now, the point at which sales volumes should be ramping up. And for the PS3, they aren't. The main reason for this is price, the PS3 is still vastly too expensive for the market and is cruelly exposed by the bargain that is the Xbox 360.

Sony are caught between a rock and a hard place. The PS3 design contained so many newly developed bits that it was, and remains, very expensive to manufacture. But Sony are not in good financial health so do not have the resources to subsidise a price reduction. Already they have lost billions on the PS3 project. It has proved to be probably the biggest loss maker in the history of video gaming.

I don't create this story. I just wonder why is this kind of news keep popping out everyday on the internet.

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Added on June 23, 2009, 1:52 pmI was going thru N4G and this is the 3rd piece of news showing the problems with sony...

In a trend that has to be worrying to Sony executives, every single multi-platform game released in North America this generation has sold in higher numbers on Microsoft's Xbox 360 console. In May of 2009, for example, the NPD analyst group reported that THQ's niche fighting title UFC: Undisputed sold an astonishing 679,000 copies on the Xbox 360 alone, making it the fastest-moving software release on any platform in May. The game managed to sell only 334,000 copies - less than half the number - on Sony's console, where an enthusiastic male teen demographic should have posted better sales numbers for THQ. By contrast, the next highest-selling game on Sony's PS3 console was Infamous, with an impressive but much lower figure of 175,900 copies sold. Clearly, first-party exclusive games are not enough to carry Sony's hardware, and lower multi-platform sales mean that third-party developers are likely to prioritize development on the more lucrative Xbox 360. This was the gist of statements made last week by Activision chief Robert Kotick, who threatened to drop development plans for the Playstation 3 if Sony didn't improve developer relations in 2010.

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This post has been edited by lightning69: Jun 23 2009, 01:52 PM

So what do you thing about the PS3 going forward?

I do agree that sony really drop the ball with the PS3. Sony did try very hard indeed looking at all the first party titles the have line-up for the PS3. But so far all the best game from sony have fail to ignite any excitement in terms of sales for sony.

Sony has done all they can with the software side, but grossly overlook on one thing! It is the price that have fail the PS3 so far and the management still cannot see it.

Since you mention PS3 target 3 different types of people, the gamer, the bluray addict, and the gamer + regular bluray purchaser. If what is say is correct, PS3 should have sold 3 times more than the 360 or the wii that doesn't even have a bluray, because its market is 3 times bigger then the other 2.

The PS3 is very much more expensive THEN the wii or the 360 in terms of actual dollar amount. One can argue that the bluray pack into the PS3 is worth more than the other 2. But the market did not respond to it like what you think. Wii sold many times more than the PS3 while it don't even have HD graphics....why? PS3 is suppose to be cheaper if you consider that is have a bluray player and HD graphics the market obviously don't give a shit about it. PS3 is suppose to be cheaper than the 360 because it has a bluray player and wifi but its sale is still so far behind the 360....why? Because the market don' give a shit about bluray nor wifi on the PS3. Its nice to have but what value does it add to gaming? So far games on DVD for the 360 is playing just as great as the the bluray games and sell much more then the bluray games.....why?

We have been hearing the fact that PS3 still have a lot of un-tap power, but so far only Sony's own studio are able to uncover and utilise those power. Its been mid cycle for the the PS3 life and most third party developers are still unable to harness the so call untap potential of the PS3.

One thing that excites me is the PS3 motion sensing control shown at E3. I think its got lots of potential as compare to the Natal. I just can't see any real games that can really make use of the natal. Even the demo of natal is not convincing and some more the action on screen lag behind the actual actors movement.

PS3 's motion control is so accurate and the demo really show how it can be implemented in FPS and adventure games....sports too.

Hope sony can fully capitalise on this one and then i will have a HD wii without having to buy a wii.

This post has been edited by lightning69: Jun 25 2009, 01:42 AM