http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO

Has anyone seen a UFO?
What do you think UFO are?
Aliens? Top secret aircraft? Supernatural?

I think they are like probe with no living thing inside, a device that collect information, they could be alien even from our creator.

The missing link to the question why only human have intelligence, at the beginning of UFO sighting, it look very slick / simple that defy gravity and move without physical constrain. Just like our scientist would do, mission to Mars and beyond.

some say it some kind of project from US.

Erm, according to old accounts of Vet from WWII, these were developed by Nazi at that time. The reason is to counter for their failure during the air assault mounted by the Nazis against British Air Force. So, these flying sauce was designed to have blades on its edges so as to be able to cut enemy aircraft, destroying them without use of conventional weapons.

Anyway, it's just what they say, we never even saw it or even have proves that it exists within the Nazi War lab. So, it's just my opinion on UFO.

if ufo is human made, what was their purpose?

This post has been edited by -Y-: Jun 16 2009, 02:52 PM

To provoke their existence, just like some people can see ghost.

maybe it purpose is beyond that. maybe some military issue. to scout other countries maybe.

so, what in ur mind? do u believe aliens? n worm hole theory?

This post has been edited by -Y-: Jun 16 2009, 03:36 PM

We are very much in Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence. (SETI) OR we are very much in search for a intelligent girlfriend/boyfriend. (SIFG/SIBF)MUAHAHAHA~~~

Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) sightings, in my humble opinion, it's political correct and as controversial as Disneyland. Very much back in the 40s with Roswell and official government sure screen the existence of UFO phenomena. Things didn't change much ever since, thanks to the government denials.

I would want to believe but my understanding of certain technology advancements/discoveries gave me an alternative thought to such sightings.

Playing PS3 Metal Gear Solid game series exposed me to the existence of Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs). These entities are remotely piloted or self-piloted aircraft that can carry cameras, sensors, communications equipment or other payloads. (These however can be mistakenly perceived as UFOs?!) The truth is for yu to seek upon...

They have been used in a reconnaissance and intelligence-gathering role since the 1950s. (YES! It's the 50s and yet such technology existed!! Why didnt they invent DotA in the 50s like the UAVs?...SIGH!~~~) It's not "alien transportation" or anything...sometimes what we "see" is merely a human manufactured entity.

UFO phenomenon is linked to claims from Teflon to microchips. (Yeah...it's the typical microchip produced by humans and NOT aliens) Only it's seeping through slowly to the public, it reads like a conspiratorial science fiction novel.

Regards, Joey

p.s: I'm like Agent Dana Sculley from the X-Files series. MUAHAHAHA~~~

This post has been edited by Joey Christensen: Jun 16 2009, 03:57 PM

^ i totally agree with u. i think the technology already created a long time ago. for what purpose? for me, it is the military's agenda. if not, i have no idea.

Mastika always talk about UFO and paranormal.
Do u guys beleve that?

Have you ever wonder, if alien and similar creatures really exist, and they are so advanced.... why don't they conquer tis world. After all our mother nature is a beautiful place rich with resources... and they can easily make us slave, work for them..

What you think?

i dont think aliens does exist. if micro organism, i think they exist in other planets or outer space.

I believe there is other living object in the universe...

However, UFO? Nope...

I serious doubt the claim of UFO being more modern than humanity or there is other races that are more modern than humans in the universe

but they are many concrete evidence of photos,some dated back to the early 20th century which photoshop haven't exist yet,but pranks using models or solid objects is possible.what are them,who are them.where they are from.no1 will know unless a alien came out of nowhere 1 day and explains itself

ah the famous roswell incident and the mysterious and top secret area 51.but the latter seems to be jz some rumours and made up stories

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_51

This post has been edited by ZeneticX: Jun 16 2009, 04:34 PM

Guys,this is an interesting read.Took me quite long to read till the latest update.
http://www.serpo.org/

Wikipedia isn't the right place to quote for facts. There's some truth in them but credibility is an issue.

UFO are just flying things that we don't know what they are. If F-117 remain classified and you see it flying around you'll still call it an UFO.

US government are actually taking advantage of these UFO conspiracies. With everybody focusing on these UFO being extraterrestrial in origin, they can continue working of experimental aircraft without the fear of espionage from it's enemies. Since everybody are dismissing it as UFO

Still, I am a strong believer in existence of extraterrestrial being, UFO of extraterrestrial origin might have visited earth but bear in mind they are bound by the same laws of universe as we do. So, no faster than light travel and such. Unfortunately there are just too many goofers out there making up UFO stories, so it's really hard to tell what's the truth and what's fiction.

if UFO exist, i doubt there are aliens in it. Just like the space machine thing( i dunno wat its called), we sent them to pluto, we sent them to any other planet to colect information, but then we dont enter ryte?

I do belive in UFO and Alien.
Can you explain for me how was the pyramid was made? LOL

We dont know how big this universe is and we dont know how many living things out side there.
I believe in Alien


Thanks
Rcode

the only story i read that relate alien to pyramid is Doraemon LOL?? Anyhow, the pyramid is created by people from Ancient Egypt(is it Mesir?). They have a wide range of curiosity resulting in a large amount of production of new creation. They created the calender, studied astronomy, started journey to the sea. Though they believe that erth is square xD

Anyone want my autograf...? I seems to be quite popular in this thread

Thanks m8

@Icy
Well there is a myth saying that the pyramids were built by the help of aliens, there for i conclude that definitely wouldn't they be able to use proper mathematical techniques to built such a monument. the fact is how could any human being built such a thing 4000 years ago. the aliens would have used proper on the dot mathematical teqniques to build.
Have you ever been to pyramid? I believe those "creator" was using a great mathematical techniques to build that pyramid.
And the other thing is, you can try put an apple inside the pyramid and the other one at a refrigerator. Within a month, you can see the result
Apple inside the pyramid is still fresh and you can eat it right away.

NB : about the apple thing, i was told by the pyramid guide when i was having my trip there


Thanks
Rcode

So you're saying that even pyramids in Aztecs were built by Aliens? If they were, why were these Egyptians and Aztecs were conquered by waaaay primitive gunpowder weaponry?

Since they're soooo advanced, that they can of course doens't even need to invent weapons because tools used to build Pyramids are already enough to wipe an army of 678 men from Spain.

Egyptians too, were conquered by far primitive roman army using only simple cutting weapons. So where are the technology that should be found by us? So, UFO is just a hoax. Have u watched Youtube video showing Area-51? I think it's fake.

since someone mentioned about SETI and UFO, what do u guys think about 'WOW effect'?

Pyramid power is a looney myth that has been debunked over and over again. It just doesn't happen.

Tour guide just play along, telling the truth hurt business. Nobody will visit our dear Pulau Dayung Bunting if the tour guide tell you that the water there do not make someone pregnant. Everybody knows where babies come from, but it's these stories that keep tourist interested in these tourist attractions.

Many feat that the pyramids have are actually found in other structure. Ancient Greece and Roman has many engineering feat similar to the pyramid. The difference here is the scale.

Without enough time and resource which the Egyptians have, you can build almost anything. Funny that why nobody said Angkor Wat was build by little green men?

This post has been edited by SeaGates: Jun 17 2009, 12:44 AM

If there is Alien or UFO visiting earth, under current physics science law, the faster moving speed is light speed, but we haven't discover any planet within several thousand light year away except the solar system.

So either Alien can travel in light speed and they have very long life, or can travel beyond light speed (which dismiss Einstein's theory). So in order to have Alien or UFO, we needs to have either one of it, so that they can reach here.

I am not saying there is no alien existing or other living in the universe, as universe is so big, so we think it is impossibe, only earth got life, right?
But those could be thoousand light year or even more away, which by any means there is no chance to reach under curreny physics law.

The universe is so big, we can't even get out the solar system, not the mention the milky way galaxy which our solar system is a tiny peanut within, while there are many many others galaxy as well.

Michio Kaku(Spelling?), the rather famous physicist of current era. Said that for ET that lives several million light years away from us. At light speed it would take millions of years to reach us. That would make them several millions years more advanced that us. So maybe they've cracked FTL travel, have the technology to traverse deep space with ease, or they're really patient in reaching us

they might as well exploit the usage of wormhole, thus allowing very fast travelling.

So, UFO is quite possible?? Let me show the video.
For me..it's bullcrap Watch here if not working

This post has been edited by Winston LYN: Jun 17 2009, 10:32 AM

Hi there! "cherroy".

Have yu heard of Edgeworth-Kuiper belt?
It is similar to the asteroid belt and it is home to at least three dwarf planets – Pluto, Haumea and Makemake.

Regards, Joey

This post has been edited by Joey Christensen: Jun 17 2009, 01:33 PM

there's not enough published scientific information for this topic to be discussed at length.

most UFO sightings in M'sia were proven to be just reflections of oil rigs/bright lights by clouds.

As said, you need to throw the current physics (light speed in the fastest moving speed can achieve) into dustbin in order them to travel to earth.

I don't say they can't, just we have to rewrite a lot of physics law currently we have if there is.


Regarding ET. Why must every imagination of ET must have eyes, big head, body or a pair of leg? Ain't it is mimic or human imagination only?

Even on earth we have six leg insect, multileg insect, no leg reptile (snake), eight leg octopus, so many many kind life form, why must everyone think ET should be identical to human kind.
It can be in a lot of form if there is a life out there!

This post has been edited by cherroy: Jun 17 2009, 02:23 PM

Well, most sightings has been consistent with this. Big head (smart arse), big eyes (surround view! More input to process more information), small/no mouth (telepathic, no need to tok cock like us), small limbs (no need to work physically hard...got all the techs, why bother with steroid pumped muscles?).

So i believe there's very good reason for what they are. Sure, there may be other life forms, but if they have the brains of a bird, i don't think they're getting off their planets anytime soon, and thus, we don't see those kind.

And yes, i do belive in Aliens, but i'm not conclusive that UFO's are neccessary aliens in a ship. Could be interdimensional creatures or other natural or supernatural phenomena. Or maybe the UFO themselves are living organic/semi-organic creatures. Or maybe human or creatures from another time and dimension....

This post has been edited by Mooshi: Jun 17 2009, 05:56 PM

Why UFO sightings often happen in the West but not in the East??

I don't hear any UFO news in the Asia regions....

It could be because one told the story, then the rest follow the story. In my humble opinion, it is more a human imagination, big brain because they are clever, small limbs because they are smart until don't need physically muscle.
This ET form/build only emerge in 90's if not mistaken, ancient people never talk about or had any history telling what is ET or how ET looked like.

Why must brain at the head? Can be no brain, but nerve interlink across just like jelly fish. Why must they breath oxygen? it is possible to live on carbon dioxide as well like plant.

The way ET being described, it just means people cannot think out of box and everyone just think it must identical to human kind but just different here and there.

Don't mean there is no ET (I also believe there is in somewhere outer space far far away could be million light year), just in my opinion, it is hard to believe universe is so big and every planetory condition is different and there is potential variety of life form as showed at earth as well already. But somehow ET is similar to human kind? which is something is hard to believe, as it is more like hitting a lottery of this probability at least for my view.

B-2 stealth bomber looks like a flying saucer as well.

1) It is fact, not imagination. Bigger brains means more synapes and nerves to do complex processing. That's what differiantiate man to animals. Smarter animals comes with decently sized brains (like dolphins etc), while dumb animals comes with lesser brains. It's like your CPU. A 100 million transistor CPU is definitely more powerful than your 1 million transistor CPU.

2) You are wrong. If you google for aliens or ancient aliens or ancient UFO, you'll find many photos of evidence in forms of paintings and and other inscriptions in tombs and such depicting many UFO-like and Alien like creatures. Back in those days, people don't know what it was and simply assume them as gods/demons/angels and some other supernatural stuff. They also don't have the internet, thus it is impossible for them to share and discuss this phenomena and coins a popular term out of it.

1) I would give you. However this doesn't really mean bigger brains are smarter. There are kids who suffer some sort of weird disease and have a very big head. Are they smarter? Nah. The only thing that makes human smarter is that the brain can have quick synapses, which means other parts of the cell of the brain can quickly communicate to each other.

2)However, there is one thing that really intrigued me during the Aztec's conquest by Cortez. These Aztecs drawings and description about their God Quetzalcoatl looks exactly like Cortez, the spanish conquerer. Descriptions include "A god, wearing long Hat, come by the sea, holding with him a new weapon".

Cortez, were wearing spanish hat, came by the sea and also bringing with him is a rifle. So your second point reminds me of this. Were those ancient Aztecs saw even before Cortez came?

hey... have u guys ever thought what those aliens think of us?

maybe they the 1 that think US the aliens... LOL...

hmm.... somehow, the alien in AVP looks scary...
the predator looks a lot cooler~

Dunno much about UFO. but I heard most sightings in Malaysia are actually not UFOs...but what if UFO really do exist? I mean there gotta be another living organism/creature/etc out there right?

Aliens are real but UFOlogy is a mythology of the space age. Rather than angels ... we now have ... extraterrestrials. It is the product of the creative imagination. It serves a poetic and existential function. It seeks to give man deeper roots and bearings in the universe. It is an expression of our hunger for mystery...our hope for transcendental meaning. The gods of Mt. Olympus have been transformed into space voyagers, transporting us by our dreams to other realms.

The reported perception of an object or light seen in the sky or upon land the appearance, trajectory, and general dynamic and luminescent behavior of which do not suggest a logical, conventional explanation and which is not only mystifying to the original percipients but remains unidentified after close scrutiny of all available evidence by persons who are technically capable of making a common sense identification, if one is possible.

The Drake which was devised by Dr. Frank Drake allows a person to estimate the probability of several factors and come up with a number for say, the number of intelligent civilizations in the galaxy. It includes factors like rate of new star formation, probability of sun-like stars, probability of planets, probability of life, probability of intelligent life, probability of civilization and technology. Another important factor is the lifetime of such civilizations. When you multiply them all together and multiply that times the number of stars in the galaxy, you get a number.

Since some of these probabilities can't be estimated with any degree of reliability, the numbers you get aren't worth much. The doubt is compounded by the fact that there might be factors which are important, but we haven't considered yet, like the importance of the moon in abiogenesis

When all is said and done, you only get a probability, so even if the figures are all good and all factors considered, it could still be way off.

N = R* X fp X ne X fl X fi X fc X L

where

N = The number of communicative civilizations
R* = The rate of formation of suitable stars (stars such as our Sun)
fp = The fraction of those stars with planets. (Current evidence indicates that planetary systems may be common for stars like the Sun.)
ne = The number of Earth-like worlds per planetary system
fl = The fraction of those Earth-like planets where life actually develops
fi = The fraction of life sites where intelligence develops
fc = The fraction of communicative planets (those on which electromagnetic communications technology develops)
L = The "lifetime" of communicating civilizations

Frank Drake's own current solution to the Drake Equation estimates 10,000 communicative civilizations in the Milky Way. Dr. Drake, who serves on the SETI League's advisory board, has personally endorsed SETI's planned all-sky survey.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation

This post has been edited by transhumanist92: Jun 19 2009, 04:18 AM

nope...alien a.k.a ET is still a myth just like yeti and the other mythical monster as far as we really want to say that alien is for real but if there's no solid evidence prove along the way it will always remain as a myth regardless how many theories that human can came up with about the diversities of the universe...

UFO do exist, i strongly believe UFO are the time machine that future US-ian travels to current worldline/timeline... do you see UFO in malaysia? no.. because these UFO has a 'destination' and most likely it's visiting US

Life isnt just exist on earth. In universe, how many galaxies are they? Its almost impossible for earth only that got life. I believe there are billions of living thing that come from different galaxies in our universe. And the alien that we debated might be 1 of the 'billions living thing' out there. My theory is just my opinion. It might be faked or so. But the fact that i hope everyone to agree is, 'we are not alone'.

This post has been edited by mois: Jun 20 2009, 09:53 AM

if these UFO is really another world, why couldn't they just land in front of KLCC tower and wave to fellow humanians?

Agree.
I believe there are aliens in this galaxy, as in other living beings.
But are those UFOs alien or man-made, that I can't be assure.
Still, I agree that we are not alone, in this huge galaxy/universe.

Alien does not recognises us. They may think we are dangerous to them, imagine if those US millitary or other spot the ufo, they would probably fire a missile and do research on the UFO. And i do think that they are spying us right now. But again, nobody knows what is their motive. But hopefully not the real 'War of the World'

I would say it take darn alot of arrogance to think that we are the only intelligent lifeform in this vast universe.

We have higher chance that earth being bombarded with asteriod causing human kind of extinction than finding UFO or alien visting the earth.

Even alien is within the same galaxy with earth, milky way, under current law of physics speed on light, it might take hundred of thousand and million of year to reach us.

Human kind have how many year of history? several thosand year, compared to millions year needed to travel, the probability is starting with low point already, somemore, galaxy is so enormous wide, what is the chance alien spotting earth so probability goes even lower.
A thousand year is a relative too small time frame in universe standard.

I don't dispute there are potential life form out there (can be a lot of form, not necessary must be identical with human kind, a head, a body, pair of arm and leg), just the probability of alien reaching earth is not promising at all.

1. NASA might not able to spot any planet that has life. Assuming alien/ufo is one hundred million years from us, in what way our astronomy field can spot where are they? Telescope cant. Unless we can have like radar-scan alike, which is able to scan planets at numerous distance(impossible for now).

2. If alien can travel with the speed of light, i would agree with u that the probability of alien reaching us is small. But since they have such high tech, would u think they have space station near to us? Or even teleportation technology?

The thing that i wonder is, how are they possible to spot earth?

i found the information in serpo.org pretty convincing..hmmm

i believe the existence of aliens.. and i dont deny the possibilities that human had already contacted aliens. the evidences are just too hard for us to deny it..

What evidence?

hmm... if they are spying on us.. they should know their superweapons and technology is far more superior than us, so would not be afraid of losing to the US.

The topic here is about UFO. I do agree alien do exists. But those UFO that appears on earth is all fake. They have not discovered us 'yet'... i believe

if ever UFO did reached Earth, i think somehow the aliens will make some sort of communications with us.. i mean, they've travel many hundreds light years away, and just to stay at our sky for a mere second glimpse by us?! i believe curiosity is the universal feeling..

This post has been edited by navilink: Jun 22 2009, 10:21 PM

Yeah they may not afraid to lose. Not all the ufo spotted on earth are fake. Some of them are real. Even the videos about ufo on youtube are real, but mostly fake. UFO spotted on earth even during WWI or WW2, but not sure because i watched the documentary on astro, History Channel. Well ufo are not much spotted on earth. But outerspace, Nasa spotted them frequently.

Here come another question, how can they communicate with earth then?

Radio wave?
Ultra-high frequency wave?
Low frequency wave?

If they have the technology, they don't necessary communicate in wavelength or technology we are having now, it could be in other form we human kind don't know yet.

why everyone think alien has almost identical technology with human kind? This is question that always make me wonder, is it human creating or imagine?

As whenever we imagine something, we always use ourself as base form.

I don't doubt it could be UFO or alien or other life form out there, just I have difficult to comprehend alien is identical to human kind as we have so many of probability of living form even on earth alone.

Human kind never understand the universe well until now, a lot of issue have in outer space are not fully understand. So there are some phenomena or happened (moving light or objects) then it must be UFO?

Even on anti-matter issue and origin of this universe and earth forming is still not fully understand until now.

UFO = Unidentified Flying Object.

It doesn't necessary must come from alien, it can be another aspect/ phenomena in universe we are not understand yet.

We could travel faster than light by using wormhole. Using enough energy to distort the space at origin and destination, object could simply pass through them. It's theory not entirely understand or proven, but it is likely. Alien could have already discover this technology and use that to travel to our world.

People pay too much attention to reveal evidents that they do exist. One of the most discussed subject beside UFO is alien encounter. Knowing little about them, they could be dangerous. Sometimes, it is best to leave the unknown to be unknown.

i believe that there must be something out there..the galaxies of existance is to big not to have anything else

where did you get the idea that Nasa frequestly spotted alien??

i believe there must be other life form out there, but they will be so different from us that we may not be able to see them if they are infront of us. a lot of sci fi have story of alien come to enslave or give us technology, but really it is highly unlikely their technology can be used by us, like if you found an ant on the side of the road do you try to teach them human technology? the funniest sci fi plot about alien have to be Independent Day where all the alien ship are control by Mac compatible computer

Exactly, we only thought of alien with close resemblence of earthly creature, body and limbs. Movie like predator, alien, evolution, star wars, star treks, etc. They may exist in a different way that totally intolerable to human, like a creature without physical body; or a body which exist in multiple-dimension? Scientist has workout that there are 10 to 11 dimension, but human eye only see the 3-dimension. If the creature exist in multi-dimension, how can we know if they exist?

UFO is seen floating in the sky, and people wonder how did they do it. They might have breakthough to other dimension to assist the UFO to float and fly. Hence travelling at a speed faster than light might even be possible. Then again, even think that what we spotted so far might not even be their spaceship, but a device created purposely to scout our world? Because of their difference, they have to use a special device in order to "sense" our present. Human has five "senses", vision, smell, taste, sound, touch. Alien may not "sense" the world as we do, and what we have spotted may not be a resembleance of their kind either.

Human technology are still way behind. Like what robertngo said, we might not be able to use it. It's not the "how to use it", but rather "how to switch it on". It's like dropping a TV in stone-age, teach them how it operate, and how to use it. But end of the day, there is no mean to switch it on because the technology to power it (electricity) yet to be discover. And what about filming and recording, encorder, radiowave transmission?

We already know that lightspeed travel and time-travel require large amount of energy. Summing all the energy we generate on earth for the next 10 years, still might not be enough to power their machine.

If technologies like fusion, antimatter and quantum phase are perfected we'd pack enough juice in a Coke can to fly to Andromeda. Not in my lifetime. But anyways, back to the subject of aliens, i think the Fermi-Hart paradox is an interesting conundrum. If there really were aliens, they're sure as hell quiet. The galaxy is old, very old, plenty of time for star-faring civilizations to evolve. And yet we get nothing, not so much as a peep on the RF or EM. Even SETI ain't got nothing. I think there's a helluva lot going on out there that we're not aware of...and "we come in peace" might not be a part of it.

This post has been edited by pleasuresaurus: Jul 2 2009, 09:05 PM

The most important obstacle for alien contacting with earth, be it RF, EM or whatever type of communication form is distance. As if alien is also subjected to current what law of physics current we have, it needs ten of thousand or hundred/million thousand of light year to send a signal to earth, while spotting earth in the vast universe is no different than finding a needle in a big deep ocean.
Human kind has how many of history, much much less than that. Human kind existing period/history is not enough for sending or for the signal to reach earth what's more is that finding a tiny earth in the universe.

So chances are very very slim even if there is alien out there.

I don't think distance is that big a deal la bro, especially if u look at it from a galactic scale of space and time.

The Milky Way is what, 100,00 light years across? Lets assume that whatever hypothetical bunch of aliens we are looking at here do at some point use radio frequencies for communication. In vacuum, radio frequencies move at essentially the speed of light. Safe to say it takes RF 100,000 years or so to get from one end of the galaxy to another. The Milky Way is at least 13 billion years old. The earth is only 4. A billion years is plenty of evolutionary time to allow space faring civilizations to populate and spread and generally make a lot of noise.

Granted we've only begun to grasp electromagnetic communication some hundred or so years ago. If the aliens still exist, there should be SOME noise at least. Something residual, recurring.

Also, granted, they may be using some form of communication that we have not been able to decipher as yet. Maybe the deluge is yet to come (intergalactic spam! )

But I honestly feel the galaxy is too creepy quite. What are the odds that out of almost 400 billion stars, ours is the ONLY one that supports life?

Today, our best means of communication is via electromagnetic wave, i.e. the RF and EM you mention. We ourselves know the limit of this type of communication, it is not the most feasible means of communication through space. If alien do exist, what are the odds that they will be using this slow communication? Either they don't transmit at all (due to slow transmission speed), or they are using technology too advance which none of our device could pick-up. It's like using a morse-code device scanning for RF signal.

We limit ourselves that the current speed limit is lightspeed because the current science discovery say so. I like to emphasis again, that wormhole is another likely way of travelling faster than light.

Cherenkov radiation indicate electrons can move faster than light. I'm sure some idiot out there must've done the math and figured FTL travel.

On aside note, i must really have nothing better to do to be coming up with this rubbish at 1 am on a weeknight

To think that we are alone in the universe, it is really creepy. Then again, to imagine that there is a possibility of other lifeform, is equally creepy.

To imagine other lifeform in other planet or galaxy which is identical to human built (head with brain, a pair of eye, body with 2 arms and legs) even creepy/weird.

why in most ufo cases must be accompanied by military presence and cover ups?

ever wonder y all the description is the same.. flying saucer, big eye, big head, small body.. why isnt there other description?

because UFO conspiracy theory people dont have a good imagination, why should alien look like life form on earth with eye and limb, if we really meet with alien i dont expect their physical appearance to be anything like life on earth, that is if they have physical appearance.

Erm, this one not that creepy, but I think it feel strange and weird. If they have high similarity to human, including our senses (vision, smell, taste, sound, touch) and intellectual (able to think and express emotion), the FIRST thing I'm going to ask if they believe in existence of God, how does their religious story came about, and if there is similarity in their God and ours.

It's quite obvious, because that is how they look like? But most importantly, are these creature (big eye, head) are in fact themselves, or it is just a droid? We only thought of them as individual of some life-form, but are they? It could be a droid which they use to scout us.

Who define their shape and looks? Who like our imagination.. I hav doubt on the shape and looks part.. arent there other life form that those always shown.. Always the little green martian look.. Y they jus wanna observe us? Y dont they make contact? Y their flying craft is always saucer type? R we just being visited by 1 type of alien? Y us?

We human defined what aliens look like.

Too much assumption were put into imagining how an alien look like. Assumption like they come from a place like earth. Aliens that come from a planets with similar environment will share some characteristic though it's hard to say. It's foolish to assume the mechanics of a human body is perfect for Earth-like planets.

There are many possibilities why they do not make contact with us, these UFOs we saw might just be a robotic probe sent by them with no living being on board. Logic dictates long distance space exploration anyway that's why there's no human occupant on board Voyager 1 and 2.

The paranoia of other species capturing their technology, reverse engineering them and using it back against them is another factor.

Saucer isn't the only type of UFO conspiracy theorist claim they saw

Another theory to chew on:
If they (alien) were to create a device to observe us, why create something that looks so different from earth creature? Logically, they should create a device or probe which look exactly like human, so they can hide among us. If not, try other earthly creature, that should blend easily.

There are few theories why they look so differently:
1. The 'thing' we saw is indeed themselves
2. The 'thing' we saw is a fail probe, the success probe is already among us.
3. Alien 'vision' is different than us, they see differently, and hence saw a different version of us. They might be seeing a different realm/dimension (different thing), but created the device in our realm/dimension.

If they're million of light years away. They'll have to wait for a looooooooooooooooooooong time to know how we look like.

Remember we're talking about the law where there's is no FTL travel.

And maybe by the time they arrive on earth, we looked different

So say, the alien saw the dinosaur, and created T-rex to land on earth to observe us, but after millions of years of travel, dinosaur became extinct and human dominated. Oh wait, maybe that's how Jurassic Park come about?

This post has been edited by SeaGates: Jul 5 2009, 12:28 AM

My doubt is still toward.. Y observe but made no contact? Or jus like wat has been said that they r already among us ...well the truth is out there

how about the idea that this universe is a simulator run by some super advance Alien? like a Sims game that we like to pay so much.

A few facts and possibilities:
1) UFO aren't always 'flying saucers' type. There has been many shapes of cigar/cylinder shaped objects and other with lightnings and fireballs with no definite physical appearence. There are videos and photos on the web of some of these.

2) Few reason they don't make contact and observe only:
i) Ever watched Star Trek? You'll be familiar with their Prime Directive of non-interference with Civilization that is not yet capable of space faring. Maybe to them, we're still not there yet, thus they'll not show themselves to us yet.

ii) The US gov and other major powers are aware and in contact with these Extra Terrasterial Life forms. And are in technology and information exchange with them.

iii) They have evil intentions and plotting a sinister plot to destroy or enslave us all. Perhaps something is holding them back now...maybe the 10,000 Starship Class Destroyers is still 500,000 million light years away and they're just waiting for backup....

what you guys think?

Its true. These "projects" are all heavily guarded in areas like Area 51. They basically never reach us normal people because everything is covered up. Occassionally, there are test flights of captured UFO saucers in Area 51. Bob Lazaar, is the man. He even predicted that the US military in Area 51 was going to do a test flight of a captured UFO at a specific time and date. And it actually occured.

Wow ! Incredible ! Look at 4:38.... One of the best pieces of footage ever!

This post has been edited by defaultname365: Aug 3 2009, 06:56 PM

UFO does not exist, they are the creation of certain secret society just to deviate the society from whatever sick thing they are doing...just my not so humble opinion !

you don't read too much don't you? just another blatant ignorant..

^I mean people can surely apply the same argument towards a false belief in god?

What's with ad hominems.....sheesh.

i believe in UFO....why not?

Actually I would love to know what you think is the "sick thing" they are doing? What's it got to do with UFOs flying in the skies and the "sick thing" they're doing ?

after reading witness account and their description of UFOs i do believe that they dont exsit. the weird traingular craft seen in nevada in the 70's are actually the f-117 prototypes. silver flying wings in the 50's are no more than jack northrop experimental bodyless X-Projects..

i am still waiting for irrefutable evidence that UFO exists. will be waiting...

Irrefutable ? Too many videos/eye-witness. I had a few threads in /k/, all got plugged due to nonsense response. Anyways, this is one of the best:

if u watch all the episodes in The Arrivals, then u understand UFO is juz a tool to get people around together to fight and research more about it by accepting the "new world order". Watch The arrivals EP19: THe UFO Phenomena to know the truth.

An official announcement by the Obama administration disclosing the reality of extraterrestrial life is imminent. For several months, senior administration officials have been quietly deliberating behind closed doors how much to disclose to the world about extraterrestrial life. Dissatisfaction among powerful institutions such as the U.S. Navy over the decades-long secrecy policy has given a boost to efforts to disclose the reality of extraterrestrial life and technology.

The impending disclosure announcement follows upon the secret implementation of a year long openness policy on UFOs and extraterrestrial life. Over the period February 12-14, 2008, the United Nations held closed doors discussions where approximately 30 nations secretly agreed on a new openness policy on UFOs and extraterrestrial life in 2009. The openness policy was implemented but never publicly announced due to threats against UN diplomats not to disclose details of the secret agreement. h The secret UN agreement was based on two conditions. First, UFOs would continue to appear around the world; and second, the openness policy would not lead to social unrest in liberal democracies. Both conditions have been satisfied making it possible for the next stage to begin – official disclosure of extraterrestrial life.

Obama’s September 24, 2009 chairing of the UN Security Council meeting on nuclear non-proliferation and disarmament, signaled his emerging leadership role in tackling major global issues such as nuclear weapons. The Nobel Peace Prize was an important step in giving global legitimacy to President Obama in making an extraterrestrial disclosure announcement. Obama is therefore poised to play a prominent role in the increased global governance that will be necessary after an extraterrestrial disclosure announcement. The timing would most likely coincide sometime soon after his Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech on December 10, 2009 in Oslo, Norway.

There have been various sources that have revealed deliberations are underway to make an announcement concerning the existence of extraterrestrial life by the end of 2009. These include, Dr Pete Peterson, a whistleblower who has recently emerged revealing high level discussions have taken place concerning announcing the existence of extraterrestrial life. In a Project Camelot interview, Dr Peterson revealed that “Obama is planning to disclose the reality of ET contact by the end of the year; and that most, but not all, of the ET visitors are friendly.”

Another source is David Wilcock, a prominent researcher of emerging scientific paradigms. Wilcock has been told by additional independent sources that extraterrestrial disclosure will take place by the end of 2009. He furthermore claimed in a Coast to Coast AM radio interview that “a 2-hour international TV special has already been booked that will introduce an alien species, similar to humans, to the world.”

In addition, popular NASA and space researcher, Richard Hoagland, has publicly come forward to reveal that the October 9, LCROSS ‘bombing’ mission of the moon, discovered an ancient base at the moon’s South Pole. Reviewing the scientific data achieved by NASA’s LCROSS mission, Hoagland concluded, also on the popular late night Coast to Coast AM radio show, that “LCROSS is part of a carefully constructed campaign to prepare the populace for imminent disclosure. The President of the United States will soon announce that scientists have discovered ruins on the moon, he added. Nobody saw the LCROSS debris plume because the probes struck a building which swallowed the effects of the explosion.”

Finally, two independent and confidential sources have revealed to me that face to face meetings have recently occurred between U.S. military officials with one or more groups of extraterrestrial visitors. This has allegedly led to confidence being built for future cooperation with the extraterrestrials that will be formally announced to the world public either at the end of 2009, or early 2010.

In conclusion, a diverse number of sources and events point to some form of extraterrestrial disclosure being made by the end of 2009, or early 2010. Official disclosure will most likely emerge in either of two scenarios. One is that President Obama will announce the existence of extraterrestrial visitors, and describe one or more of these to the world. This scenario is supported by Peterson, Wilcock, and my own confidential sources. The second scenario is that an announcement will be made concerning the discovery of artificial structures at the moon’s South Pole, as revealed by the LCROSS mission. This scenario is supported by Hoagland.

Which ever of the above scenarios is used for announcing the existence of extraterrestrial life or technology, President Obama will figure prominently. Behind the scenes, powerful institutions are ensuring that nothing derails the planned disclosure announcement. The disclosure will follow upon a year of greater government openness on UFOs in accord with a policy secretly developed at the United Nations. If extraterrestrial disclosure does occur at the end of 2009 or early 2010, President Obama will lead an unprecedented effort to promote global governance through the United Nations. The Obama administration and its supporters are poised to take a bold step forward in helping our planet become an interplanetary culture that openly deals with the challenges posed by extraterrestrial life.

http://www.examiner.com/x-2383-Honolulu-Ex...ife-is-imminent

I watch this documentary on national geographic... roswell incident....

they dig back the news and the president of US back then ADMITTED a UFO crash landed on roswell.. but after few months, they retract the news back after public demanded to see it

No. get your facts right.those thread you started contains good responses too. instead of replying to them , you go around wasting time replying to to nonsense ones which doesn't "follow your own school of thought".

Just because you can't take the heat ... you CLOSE those threads yourself.

if UFO exists, then what is their purpose on earth? with their so advance technology, surely there is nothing that what we know and they don't know.
tell me, what human attributes that could probably impress our UFO friends...?

This post has been edited by sleepsleep: Nov 9 2009, 07:16 AM

Yeah they were covering up something thats for sure. But not sure if it was extra terrestrials vehicle from another galaxy.

they found us and maybe now they are doing researching about human? come on i will NEVER EVER EVER believe there is only human exist in UNIVERSE. Im sick of those who dont believe ufo(but at least u got to believe there are trillion life out there). Because there are too many galaxies and trillion of planets. Got it?

This post has been edited by mois: Nov 10 2009, 09:36 AM

Firstly, everybody is clear that there are zillions of planet in the universe...

Now imagine we human have achieve our inter-galactic travels...
and we happen to encounter a planet using primitive technology...
What would you do?

Normally, we human will observe the creature first... then take to do experiment... or maybe put into our zoo...
Then, some human have some compassion on the creature, and take some time to be friend with the creature...

i saw one when i was in form 5...
hovering around at highway then disappear...