BJTOTO (1562), High Dividend Yielding Stock
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 Jun 12 2009, 11:27 AM, updated 14y ago
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Strategy :-
Buy on every quater, since dividend is declared every quarterly. Reinvest your dividend money on every qtr. Advantage :- Get higher return than FD rate. Possible capital growth. Averaging your entry price on every qtr. Keep for your retirement fund.  |
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Jun 12 2009, 12:38 PM
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QUOTE(smartly @ Jun 12 2009, 11:27 AM) Strategy :- how much is the last payout?Buy on every quater, since dividend is declared every quarterly. Reinvest your dividend money on every qtr. Advantage :- Get higher return than FD rate. Possible capital growth. Averaging your entry price on every qtr. Keep for your retirement fund.  |
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Jun 12 2009, 01:33 PM
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QUOTE(moorish @ Jun 12 2009, 12:38 PM) how much is the last payout? see below table :-Attached thumbnail(s) 
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Jun 12 2009, 01:52 PM
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QUOTE(smartly @ Jun 12 2009, 01:33 PM) see below table :- to be very honest I've no idea how to interpreted  can you help tell me in english, say I buy 1 LOT 1000 x RM5 how much I get each quaterly? |
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Jun 12 2009, 02:03 PM
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QUOTE(moorish @ Jun 12 2009, 01:52 PM) to be very honest I've no idea how to interpreted example :- can you help tell me in english, say I buy 1 LOT 1000 x RM5 how much I get each quaterly? 1000units of BJTOTO... 1st interim 5sen = RM50 2nd interim 10sen = RM100 3rd interim 7sen = RM70 4th Final 8sen = RM80 |
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Jun 12 2009, 02:13 PM
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Dun forget that sometimes they may come out wif special dividends too.
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Jun 12 2009, 02:18 PM
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support~~~!!@@@
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Jun 12 2009, 02:41 PM
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QUOTE(smartly @ Jun 12 2009, 02:03 PM) example :- so this work out to be somewhere 5% PA, thanks for the explaination1000units of BJTOTO... 1st interim 5sen = RM50 2nd interim 10sen = RM100 3rd interim 7sen = RM70 4th Final 8sen = RM80 |
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Jun 12 2009, 02:46 PM
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QUOTE(moorish @ Jun 12 2009, 02:41 PM) so this work out to be somewhere 5% PA, thanks for the explaination but need to - tax again gua??  |
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Jun 12 2009, 03:17 PM
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QUOTE(AutumnFoliage @ Jun 12 2009, 02:46 PM) but need to - tax again gua?? wah lagi less |
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Jun 12 2009, 03:23 PM
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QUOTE(AutumnFoliage @ Jun 12 2009, 02:46 PM) but need to - tax again gua?? if is not TE, then need minus tax but this tax can be claimed back from IRD while u submitting ur return. |
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Jun 12 2009, 06:01 PM
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QUOTE(smartly @ Jun 12 2009, 03:23 PM) if is not TE, then need minus tax but this tax can be claimed back from IRD while u submitting ur return. ya gua...  |
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Jun 14 2009, 06:45 PM
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hard to get back from IRD la...
i think PANAMY pays better dividend... |
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Jun 14 2009, 09:46 PM
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wah one thing i dont buy local stock, poor dividend record and
max also 5% like public bank also,,,,. bo lat |
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Jun 15 2009, 06:06 PM
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BJTOTO announce special and interim dividend today (1:14,19cents)
 check out bursa annoucement... but i dont understand what they mean by Ratio 1:14 for the special dividend.. can someone plz explain |
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Jun 15 2009, 06:36 PM
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QUOTE(mopster @ Jun 15 2009, 06:06 PM) BJTOTO announce special and interim dividend today (1:14,19cents) Monday, 15 Jun 2009 check out bursa annoucement... but i dont understand what they mean by Ratio 1:14 for the special dividend.. can someone plz explain 5:54PM Distribution of Interim Dividend and Share Dividend 5:53PM Share Dividend 1 Treasury Share for every 14 Ordinary Shares held 5:51PM 4th Interim Dividend 11 Sen T.E. 5:50PM Interim Dividend 19 Sen (9 Sen T.E & 10 Sen Single Tier T.E.) All together dividend is 30sen AND 1:14 share dividend. WALAU, not bad. 1:14 mean, every 19 BJTOTO shares you hold you get 1 free.....  |
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Jun 15 2009, 09:17 PM
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QUOTE(smartly @ Jun 15 2009, 06:36 PM) Monday, 15 Jun 2009 eh... 1:14 shoud be every 14 share get one free ? 5:54PM Distribution of Interim Dividend and Share Dividend 5:53PM Share Dividend 1 Treasury Share for every 14 Ordinary Shares held 5:51PM 4th Interim Dividend 11 Sen T.E. 5:50PM Interim Dividend 19 Sen (9 Sen T.E & 10 Sen Single Tier T.E.) All together dividend is 30sen AND 1:14 share dividend. WALAU, not bad. 1:14 mean, every 19 BJTOTO shares you hold you get 1 free.....  Like got 1 share distribution & 2 dividend ka? Is the dividend after share distribution ? |
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Jun 15 2009, 09:22 PM
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QUOTE(whizzer @ Jun 15 2009, 09:17 PM) eh... 1:14 shoud be every 14 share get one free ? aiyo, my mistake there, right, should be 14. Like got 1 share distribution & 2 dividend ka? Is the dividend after share distribution ? where got such thing one, obviuosly is after dividend only share distribution...  |
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Jun 15 2009, 09:52 PM
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QUOTE(smartly @ Jun 15 2009, 09:22 PM) aiyo, my mistake there, right, should be 14. ooo so can get 1share for every 14shares i own....where got such thing one, obviuosly is after dividend only share distribution... anyone planning to get buy some toto?  today closed at 4.96... i wonder if it is too high to enter now... 0.30 dividend cents is approx 6% yield... quite attractive imo...  This post has been edited by mopster: Jun 15 2009, 09:54 PM |
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Jun 15 2009, 10:15 PM
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me .. me .. me... let's see how's the price on tomolo.
Dow dropped 147 pts so far. |
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Jun 15 2009, 11:10 PM
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jun 15 2009, 10:15 PM) me .. me .. me... let's see how's the price on tomolo. Tomorrow BJTOTO price may drop or unchanged due to US effect.Dow dropped 147 pts so far. |
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Jun 16 2009, 06:11 AM
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I hold 500 BJTOTO shares, a 1:14 ratio will mean I am entitled to 35.71 shares, so will I get 35 of 36 shares? How do I sell my 35/36 shares in the open market when everything is traded in 100 blocks?
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Jun 16 2009, 08:57 AM
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QUOTE(Soulsareworthless @ Jun 16 2009, 06:11 AM) I hold 500 BJTOTO shares, a 1:14 ratio will mean I am entitled to 35.71 shares, so will I get 35 of 36 shares? How do I sell my 35/36 shares in the open market when everything is traded in 100 blocks? yeah.. i tot of the same thing.. means im gonna get odd lots ??? i dunno how to sell odd lots lol |
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Jun 16 2009, 09:18 AM
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The price for this counter should rise till the ex-date. barring any big correction in the market. Thats my 2 cents.
Have bought in when it was 4.80 |
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Jun 16 2009, 09:21 AM
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QUOTE(Soulsareworthless @ Jun 16 2009, 06:11 AM) I hold 500 BJTOTO shares, a 1:14 ratio will mean I am entitled to 35.71 shares, so will I get 35 of 36 shares? How do I sell my 35/36 shares in the open market when everything is traded in 100 blocks? no fractional share... so i guess u'll oni get 35 shares |
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Jun 16 2009, 10:01 AM
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QUOTE(Soulsareworthless @ Jun 16 2009, 06:11 AM) I hold 500 BJTOTO shares, a 1:14 ratio will mean I am entitled to 35.71 shares, so will I get 35 of 36 shares? How do I sell my 35/36 shares in the open market when everything is traded in 100 blocks? likely to get 35 shares odd lot.odd lot trading price are weird, easily 30% more (sell) or 30% less (buy) on current price. can't place online, need to call dealer to place, hard to sell as well. 500 shares.... suggest you to buy 900 shares more to get 100 shares, then u wont get odd lots. |
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Jun 16 2009, 10:08 AM
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why there are multiple announcements for dividends?
What is the real dividends? |
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Jun 16 2009, 10:15 AM
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QUOTE(61eelat @ Jun 16 2009, 10:08 AM) why there are multiple announcements for dividends? the annoucement consists of interim dividend & share dividendWhat is the real dividends? 1) 4th interim div of 11sen 2) Interim div of 19sen 3) Share div of 1:14 1) + 2) = 30sen = 6% another 7% of shares. |
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Jun 16 2009, 10:23 AM
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how many shares of Bjtoto you hold, smartly?
p/: i'll be joining you soon  This post has been edited by panasonic88: Jun 16 2009, 10:24 AM |
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Jun 16 2009, 10:30 AM
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jun 16 2009, 10:23 AM) how many shares of Bjtoto you hold, smartly? 5000 units only but need to buy 600 shares more to avoid getting odd lots. p/: i'll be joining you soon queuing on the board now...hope can get... |
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Jun 16 2009, 11:17 AM
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limited funds here, i'm queueing for 5.15 at 700 shares.
700/14 = 50 shares so i wouldnt be having odd lots. will buy more after ex-date to make it a complete unit. |
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Jun 16 2009, 11:30 AM
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jun 16 2009, 11:17 AM) limited funds here, i'm queueing for 5.15 at 700 shares. 50 shares is also consider odd lots, bcoz, current trading lot is 100 shares.700/14 = 50 shares so i wouldnt be having odd lots. will buy more after ex-date to make it a complete unit. buy 1400 shares la, 1400/14 = 100 shares |
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Jun 16 2009, 11:36 AM
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whops! yah wor!
 i wish to buy 1400, but i have limited funds, grrr. doesnt matter la, no round up oso never mind. i also have odd lots from Pbbank treassury share, just leave it as it is la, hehe! |
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Jun 16 2009, 11:42 AM
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just joined bjtoto crew with 2.8k unit
may add using dividend after ex-date  |
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Jun 16 2009, 11:42 AM
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jun 16 2009, 11:36 AM) whops! yah wor! me too, i own odd lots on PBB, didn't top up to get rid of odd lots the other time. i wish to buy 1400, but i have limited funds, grrr. doesnt matter la, no round up oso never mind. i also have odd lots from Pbbank treassury share, just leave it as it is la, hehe!  |
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Jun 16 2009, 12:09 PM
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odd lots do no harm mah, you get more dividends from it
my 5.15 not yet match. smartly, what price you queue? |
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Jun 16 2009, 12:34 PM
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Wah you guys' price is significantly higher than the insiders. Hope it doesn't slide on you.
Added on June 16, 2009, 12:40 pmWill go in only if market slides 2-3 days and BJtoto can retrace abit more. Insiders playing this latest round holding too low compared to this. They are looking to bail out too...be careful ya.. This post has been edited by naz_b_85: Jun 16 2009, 12:40 PM |
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Jun 16 2009, 01:02 PM
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noted on your advice, naz.
not much big players around. only small fish is nibbling it in small lot. |
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Jun 16 2009, 01:37 PM
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jun 16 2009, 12:09 PM) odd lots do no harm mah, you get more dividends from it i'm in no hurry to buy, so i queued at 5.10. my 5.15 not yet match. smartly, what price you queue? 5sen lower than your one. |
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Jun 16 2009, 02:18 PM
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im queueing at 5.15 above my TP price of 5.00 actually..... 1400 shares only..
if it really drops i'll get more  |
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Jun 16 2009, 02:49 PM
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QUOTE(mopster @ Jun 16 2009, 02:18 PM) im queueing at 5.15 above my TP price of 5.00 actually..... 1400 shares only.. wow, damp bloody strong...5.20/5.25...if it really drops i'll get more |
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Jun 16 2009, 03:05 PM
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The stongest counter in bloody KLSE today!
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Jun 16 2009, 03:17 PM
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5.30
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Jun 16 2009, 04:18 PM
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BJTOTO-CD is starting to look insteresting. The gearing is pretty high, and premium is quite low.
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Jun 16 2009, 05:05 PM
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closed 5.25. not bad.
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Jun 16 2009, 06:07 PM
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QUOTE(smartly @ Jun 16 2009, 11:30 AM) 50 shares is also consider odd lots, bcoz, current trading lot is 100 shares. This is my first share returns & using nominee account. Does the remisier help you to even the lots ? e.g. help you to buy or sell to reach your even lots. I think for them if they have lots of BJTOTO share customer, they can do that right ? Also do they charge any fee for "processing" ? If so how much ? (Note : I m using M2U Stock Trading A/c)buy 1400 shares la, 1400/14 = 100 shares |
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Jun 16 2009, 06:27 PM
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QUOTE(whizzer @ Jun 16 2009, 06:07 PM) This is my first share returns & using nominee account. Does the remisier help you to even the lots ? e.g. help you to buy or sell to reach your even lots. I think for them if they have lots of BJTOTO share customer, they can do that right ? Also do they charge any fee for "processing" ? If so how much ? (Note : I m using M2U Stock Trading A/c) nominee account... then you need to buy up to make it with complete board lot (100 shares). need to call your remisier to help u place odd lotsplacement. Price vary a lot from market price... actually the simplest way to do is buy the remaining/shortfall from market to ensure you entitle a complete lot share distribution. e.g the share distribution is 1 lot for every 14 lots. if u own 1000 shares, then buy additional 400 shares u will entitle 100 shares (1lot) if u own 2000 shares, then buy addtional 800 shares u will entitle 200 shares (2lots) if u own 5000 shares, then buy addtional 600 shares u will entitle 400 shares (4lots) |
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Jun 16 2009, 07:24 PM
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QUOTE(smartly @ Jun 16 2009, 06:27 PM) nominee account... then you need to buy up to make it with complete board lot (100 shares). need to call your remisier to help u place odd lots Actually you can just sell the share before the ex-date and buy back after too. placement. Price vary a lot from market price... actually the simplest way to do is buy the remaining/shortfall from market to ensure you entitle a complete lot share distribution. e.g the share distribution is 1 lot for every 14 lots. if u own 1000 shares, then buy additional 400 shares u will entitle 100 shares (1lot) if u own 2000 shares, then buy addtional 800 shares u will entitle 200 shares (2lots) if u own 5000 shares, then buy addtional 600 shares u will entitle 400 shares (4lots) |
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Jun 16 2009, 07:33 PM
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QUOTE(elhh82 @ Jun 16 2009, 07:24 PM) Actually you can just sell the share before the ex-date and buy back after too. there is good & bad by doing so. things are not so straight forward.either you can buy back lower or may not catch it anymore. stay with existing holding ensuring you sitting tight while enjoying everything fall from the sky (div, bonus & share div) need not bother much, just keep till you retired... |
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Jun 16 2009, 07:41 PM
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QUOTE(smartly @ Jun 16 2009, 07:33 PM) there is good & bad by doing so. things are not so straight forward. Thanks for the suggestion. I think I will keep until retire either you can buy back lower or may not catch it anymore. stay with existing holding ensuring you sitting tight while enjoying everything fall from the sky (div, bonus & share div) need not bother much, just keep till you retired... I have 15 lots only. I think if I sell one lot to make it 14 lot or buy more lots at current high price (my ABP is 4.66), its not logical or cost effective. |
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Jun 16 2009, 10:05 PM
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QUOTE(elhh82 @ Jun 16 2009, 07:24 PM) Actually you can just sell the share before the ex-date and buy back after too. Any idea what will be the price after ex-date ? |
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Jun 16 2009, 10:43 PM
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Should be = (Closing Price before the Ex-Date - 30 cents) * 14 / 15.
Don't know if i'm correct or not though, but i think that makes sense. |
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Jun 16 2009, 10:58 PM
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QUOTE(elhh82 @ Jun 16 2009, 10:43 PM) Should be = (Closing Price before the Ex-Date - 30 cents) * 14 / 15. Yes, it make sense. Same like TM.Don't know if i'm correct or not though, but i think that makes sense. |
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Jun 17 2009, 12:04 PM
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QUOTE(elhh82 @ Jun 16 2009, 10:43 PM) Should be = (Closing Price before the Ex-Date - 30 cents) * 14 / 15. Yes, the formula is correct.Don't know if i'm correct or not though, but i think that makes sense. Wow, a lot of hidden tiger and crouching dragon here....don't play play. |
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Jun 17 2009, 01:11 PM
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for those of you intending to play the call warrant, you have to be careful. The warrant strike price does not get adjusted even if the company issue's dividends, so you must take that into account when calculating the premium.
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Jun 17 2009, 01:25 PM
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Just curious any others who joined the wagon @5.10,5.15,5.20 ?
Any advice on should I keep or sell now and wait to catch at <5.00? Thanks |
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Jun 17 2009, 01:33 PM
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I'm holding some units with ABP of RM4.9, planning to dispose before the ex-date. Don't intend to hold this counter for dividends, have other div. counters in mind.
Just riding it in anticipation of the move up due to the high dividend |
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Jun 17 2009, 05:58 PM
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QUOTE(elhh82 @ Jun 16 2009, 10:43 PM) Should be = (Closing Price before the Ex-Date - 30 cents) * 14 / 15. so if BJTOTO closed @ 5.3 the day b4 ex-date, the adjusted price is going to b around RM4.6?Don't know if i'm correct or not though, but i think that makes sense. |
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Jun 17 2009, 06:11 PM
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QUOTE(fergie1100 @ Jun 17 2009, 05:58 PM) so if BJTOTO closed @ 5.3 the day b4 ex-date, the adjusted price is going to b around RM4.6? Should be RM4.66.6sen is important friend, don;t miscalculated it. Those holding 10,000 shares is 600 bugs there. |
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Jun 17 2009, 10:35 PM
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QUOTE(smartly @ Jun 15 2009, 06:36 PM) Monday, 15 Jun 2009 What is the meaning of "10 sen single tier T.E."?5:54PM Distribution of Interim Dividend and Share Dividend 5:53PM Share Dividend 1 Treasury Share for every 14 Ordinary Shares held 5:51PM 4th Interim Dividend 11 Sen T.E. 5:50PM Interim Dividend 19 Sen (9 Sen T.E & 10 Sen Single Tier T.E.) All together dividend is 30sen AND 1:14 share dividend. WALAU, not bad. 1:14 mean, every 19 BJTOTO shares you hold you get 1 free..... |
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Jun 17 2009, 11:09 PM
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QUOTE(61eelat @ Jun 17 2009, 10:35 PM) What is the meaning of "10 sen single tier T.E."? single tier is a new tax sys introduced by our G to replace the old system..... under this sys, income is being tax at the corporate level, so the div u received in ur hands is actually the final amount (net 10 cent in ur ex)... |
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Jun 17 2009, 11:42 PM
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QUOTE(fergie1100 @ Jun 17 2009, 11:09 PM) single tier is a new tax sys introduced by our G to replace the old system..... under this sys, income is being tax at the corporate level, so the div u received in ur hands is actually the final amount (net 10 cent in ur ex)... thanks!So we do not need to pay the tax for the 10 cents?! |
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Jun 17 2009, 11:59 PM
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QUOTE(elhh82 @ Jun 17 2009, 01:33 PM) I'm holding some units with ABP of RM4.9, planning to dispose before the ex-date. Don't intend to hold this counter for dividends, have other div. counters in mind. If you don't plan to keep for div, it is a bout time to sell now. Just riding it in anticipation of the move up due to the high dividend |
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Jun 18 2009, 01:08 AM
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i also wanna buy the counter but price now way way way up high...
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Jun 18 2009, 02:05 AM
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QUOTE(kb2005 @ Jun 17 2009, 11:59 PM) If you don't plan to keep for div, it is a bout time to sell now. actually i just offloaded at 5.3 But will keep monitoring, i think the price is toppish now, but its hard to say if the big players will jump in and push the price again or not. |
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Jun 18 2009, 08:42 AM
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QUOTE(61eelat @ Jun 17 2009, 11:42 PM) thanks! correct.... but still it's not tax exempted.... just that u dun "feel" it So we do not need to pay the tax for the 10 cents?! |
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Jun 18 2009, 12:00 PM
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take the div & reinvest every qrtly.
keep as retirement fund. |
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Jun 18 2009, 12:30 PM
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11 cents interim
19 cents dividend 1:14 special dividend... (via shares ) not bad This post has been edited by ts1: Jun 18 2009, 12:30 PM |
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Jun 19 2009, 12:09 PM
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i wonder what kind of move is being planned on this counter.
the fund managers have been selling 2 lot 3 lot the whole morning. |
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Jun 19 2009, 08:32 PM
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after giving dividen will drop back below 5 gua
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Jun 19 2009, 09:42 PM
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after dividend should be below 4.5 at the current price
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Jun 20 2009, 08:32 AM
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QUOTE(elhh82 @ Jun 19 2009, 09:42 PM) after dividend should be below 4.5 at the current price but stil ok gua.. coz...if market big drop ..... the price is stable there only... ha ha |
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Jun 20 2009, 03:36 PM
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Imagine if buying the stock at RM5.20 now.
After ex-date, the cost would be RM5200-RM300=RM4900 And plus the stock given = 1000/14 =71 shares Average cost = RM4900 / 1071 = RM4.58 Is that the correct way to calculate? Appreciate any pointers. Thanks. |
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Jun 20 2009, 03:38 PM
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i think the formula is already listed in page 3.
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Jun 20 2009, 03:43 PM
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Oh, ok. Thank you very much. SHould have check through before posting the question.
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Jun 22 2009, 12:09 PM
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Bjtoto stays as rock despite market down.
The dividends remain as a strong catalyst driving the share price. |
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Jul 2 2009, 05:14 PM
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Bought 3,000 units of TOTO today @ RM 5.05/share.
I am in the mood to collect sin counters... GAB, Tanjong, Carlsberg, Toto... Xuzen |
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Jul 2 2009, 05:37 PM
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jul 2 2009, 05:14 PM) Bought 3,000 units of TOTO today @ RM 5.05/share. all solid one. I am in the mood to collect sin counters... GAB, Tanjong, Carlsberg, Toto... Xuzen  |
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Jul 2 2009, 05:54 PM
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BJTOTO closed at 5.00 today...
If KLCI opens and maintain deep red tomorrow, I might have chance to get some at 5.00 or lower... |
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Jul 4 2009, 12:15 AM
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as at current price (RM5.00-0.30) * 14/15=RM4.38
then how much dividend we geT? This post has been edited by GameMonster: Jul 4 2009, 12:16 AM |
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Jul 7 2009, 09:03 AM
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QUOTE(GameMonster @ Jul 4 2009, 12:15 AM) as at current price (RM5.00-0.30) * 14/15=RM4.38 30 cents cash div per share + bonus divthen how much dividend we geT? ex: if u have 1000 units, u'll get RM300 + 71 bonus shares This post has been edited by fergie1100: Jul 7 2009, 09:04 AM |
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Jul 7 2009, 02:01 PM
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Anyone knows how come the BJToto is moving downwards towards 4.xx instead of maintaining above 5?
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Jul 7 2009, 03:16 PM
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Bought more at RM4.98 today for it pending div & shares div.
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Jul 7 2009, 03:27 PM
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QUOTE(VyvernS @ Jul 7 2009, 02:01 PM) Anyone knows how come the BJToto is moving downwards towards 4.xx instead of maintaining above 5? Some big fishes are dumping to the waiting buyers. Dividend entitlement coming Friday 5.pm. |
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Jul 7 2009, 04:12 PM
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QUOTE(VyvernS @ Jul 7 2009, 02:01 PM) Anyone knows how come the BJToto is moving downwards towards 4.xx instead of maintaining above 5? Saw somewhere that analysts downgrade their TP for BJTOTO because, it had to loan money to give the dividend ? |
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Jul 7 2009, 04:19 PM
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QUOTE(whizzer @ Jul 7 2009, 04:12 PM) Saw somewhere that analysts downgrade their TP for BJTOTO because, it had to loan money to give the dividend ? yea, the set back is they need to get loan to fund the div....  i think the whole reason is to help up sister company BJland. but never too worries, is a cash generating company, longterm should be quite fruithful. |
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Jul 7 2009, 04:43 PM
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dun look good at all
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Jul 8 2009, 08:51 AM
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Jul 8 2009, 09:48 AM
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QUOTE(fergie1100 @ Jul 8 2009, 08:51 AM) So simple .... why want to buy at RM 5.00 ... when you can get it at RM 4.75 from BJ Land ... Sell when can ... don't get stunned and regret later ...  |
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Jul 8 2009, 09:54 AM
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QUOTE(fergie1100 @ Jul 8 2009, 08:51 AM) ok, now i understand. everything happen for a reason. Btoto is giving 30 sens dividend + free tressury share, and yet it still unable to attract buyer to support it. now trading at 4.94/4.96 |
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Jul 8 2009, 10:34 AM
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i've bought at 4.96, wonder at this price still not attractive enough?
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Jul 8 2009, 11:56 AM
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QUOTE(Kenneth85 @ Jul 8 2009, 10:34 AM) i've bought at 4.96, wonder at this price still not attractive enough? yeap.. i bought at 4.94 today.. wonder will regret or not??? |
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Jul 8 2009, 01:20 PM
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QUOTE(elea88 @ Jul 8 2009, 11:56 AM) yeap.. i bought at 4.94 today.. wonder will regret or not??? Bot already no need to regret. Hold for long term investment. I will pick up if it really go low before dividend x or buy days after x. It may go lelong..... lol |
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Jul 8 2009, 03:59 PM
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just bought 1K - 4.96, should i buy more? hmm.....i really dunno.
Added on July 8, 2009, 7:34 pm Another 1K @ 4.94.....hope for the best !  VT don't fail me pls !This post has been edited by Amanda99: Jul 8 2009, 07:34 PM |
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Jul 8 2009, 10:15 PM
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QUOTE(Amanda99 @ Jul 8 2009, 03:59 PM) just bought 1K - 4.96, should i buy more? hmm.....i really dunno. If u own 2000 shares, then buy addtional 800 shares u will entitle 200 shares as dividend shares (2lots). Otherwise you will end up with odd lots for dividend shares (Dividend shares ratio 1:14 or 100 shares for 1400 shares held)Added on July 8, 2009, 7:34 pm Another 1K @ 4.94.....hope for the best ! VT don't fail me pls !I havent buy mine. Happy investing! |
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Jul 9 2009, 10:25 AM
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For those who havent buy Btoto, maybe you might want to reconsider.
peri peri ayam sauce: http://bursastreet.blogspot.com/2009/07/be...ports-toto.html |
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Jul 9 2009, 07:09 PM
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QUOTE(protonw @ Jul 8 2009, 10:15 PM) If u own 2000 shares, then buy addtional 800 shares u will entitle 200 shares as dividend shares (2lots). Otherwise you will end up with odd lots for dividend shares (Dividend shares ratio 1:14 or 100 shares for 1400 shares held) i still have some from few years back....and coincidentally, i will not end up with odd lots I havent buy mine. Happy investing! |
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Jul 9 2009, 10:31 PM
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tml droping somemore?
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Jul 10 2009, 11:34 PM
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Btoto closed at 4.94
monday price would be adjusted to 4.94 - 30 sens * 14 / 15 which is 4.330 i wonder will it get any selling pressure from the shareholders. hmmm. |
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Jul 11 2009, 12:13 AM
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jul 10 2009, 11:34 PM) Btoto closed at 4.94 Suspect more likely ppl will buy & the price will go up because of psychology of big margin price drop.monday price would be adjusted to 4.94 - 30 sens * 14 / 15 which is 4.330 i wonder will it get any selling pressure from the shareholders. hmmm. |
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Jul 11 2009, 12:28 AM
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What will happen to the WARRANT? Entitle any DIVIDEN? Mother share 4.30 Warrant drop below 10 sen???
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Jul 11 2009, 01:03 PM
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jul 10 2009, 11:34 PM) Btoto closed at 4.94 why monday? ex not on july 17monday price would be adjusted to 4.94 - 30 sens * 14 / 15 which is 4.330 i wonder will it get any selling pressure from the shareholders. hmmm. |
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Jul 11 2009, 02:59 PM
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I bought 1,400 units at RM 4.94/unit a few minutes just before closing on Fri, 10-7-2009. Total holding now is (4,200+300).
This message I copied from "http://bursastreet.blogspot.com/2009/07/berjaya-sports-toto.html" QUOTE "Downgrade to Market Perform. We are downgrading our recommendation on BToto, as: (1) we believe share price is likely to fall further after this placement and once the shares go ex for the dividends, as there is no longer an “incentive” to keep the share price at current levels; and (2) we believe that in the ST, there may not be any share price catalysts for BToto as there may not be any more dividends announced until the 2QFY10 results (in Dec). We have revised down our DCF-based valuation to RM5.50 (from RM5.90), after updating our beta assumptions, thus bringing WACC to 9.4% (from 8.95%). As such, we downgrade our recommendation to Market Perform (from Outperform). 52wk Price Range (RM) 4.04-5.35 Major Shareholders: (%) Berjaya Land & BCorp 48.2 Tan Sri Vincent Tan (direct)4.3 By RHBInvest Analyst: Hoe Lee Leng Posted by Bursa Street at 9:21 PM My TP is RM 5.50 as per analyst report within 12 mths period. However 2QFY10 will also influence my decision making. Xuzen |
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Jul 12 2009, 01:34 PM
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seems like in times of recession, gaming sectors' revenue do not decrease, but increase, as many desperate ppl try their luck......just look at the daily buses up to Genting...
i'm holding on to BJTOTO, sold half of my brewery stock and invested more in it. |
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Jul 13 2009, 07:47 PM
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Bought it today 4.34...
Can get a divident oso? ":D |
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Jul 13 2009, 08:01 PM
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QUOTE(bubuzz @ Jul 13 2009, 07:47 PM) Bought it today 4.34... sorry, im afraid today's purchase is not eligible for divvy anymore... Can get a divident oso? ":D must be before X-Date.. |
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Jul 14 2009, 11:15 AM
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I believe buying any price below 4.30, should be fined, so long as not buying 5.00 at a later stage.
At current level, worth accumulating. |
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Jul 14 2009, 12:57 PM
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Back to Square one for me, those days had bjtoto around 4.52 now 4.28 yummy!
accumulating mode on. |
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Jul 14 2009, 04:45 PM
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I joined the ToTo family... 1,000 units matched at 4.26
will slowly accumulate... |
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Jul 14 2009, 08:34 PM
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yups....accumulating moar.. !
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Jul 14 2009, 09:50 PM
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QUOTE(smartly @ Jun 17 2009, 06:11 PM) Should be RM4.66. Hi,6sen is important friend, don;t miscalculated it. Those holding 10,000 shares is 600 bugs there. BJTOTO drop to 4.28 today. Is it a good time to buy? |
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Jul 14 2009, 11:22 PM
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hi bjtoto fans. Looks like its down hill for BJtoto this time xdiv and dilution of shares and more liquid, hopefully more volitility. Oops not to forget higher gearing. The NBC is introducing a bigger prize game and hopefully it will contribute to higher profit and more cashflow to lower its gearing. guys there are plenty of time to nibble on BJtoto b4 price recover, unless the major shareholder decide to exercise massive buyback. But it won't be BJtoto but maybe vincent other subs or personally collect it.
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Jul 15 2009, 11:19 AM
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Bjtoto drops to 4.26
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Jul 15 2009, 12:06 PM
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VT sold the share by RM4.75(before div) which is lower than market price 6%. Current price still higher than this price
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Jul 15 2009, 04:01 PM
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Just bought in another 1,500 units at RM 4.26. I will treat this lot as a trading buy. Will sell when it hit RM 4.80/unit. Total holding in BJToto is 4,500 pre-ex and 1,500 post-ex.
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Jul 15 2009, 04:22 PM
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jul 15 2009, 04:01 PM) Just bought in another 1,500 units at RM 4.26. I will treat this lot as a trading buy. Will sell when it hit RM 4.80/unit. Total holding in BJToto is 4,500 pre-ex and 1,500 post-ex. hi xuzen, im collecting toto too but i think they are still disposing at the shares.. Xuzen im waiting at 4.20 and below... what do you think of the price ? it is likely to go lower isnt it ? thanks.. |
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Jul 15 2009, 04:32 PM
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QUOTE(mopster @ Jul 15 2009, 04:22 PM) hi xuzen, im collecting toto too but i think they are still disposing at the shares.. Mopster,im waiting at 4.20 and below... what do you think of the price ? it is likely to go lower isnt it ? thanks.. The truth is I have no idea. RM 4.26 or RM 4.20 is RM 90.00 (1,500 share) difference only for me, I can live with this small difference. Looking at the queue, I see support at RM 4.24, so RM 4.20 is rather unlikely in the near term. QUOTE This is extracted from The Star: I will be conservative and go with Hwang's opinion. That is why this is a trading buy for me. OSK Research and Maybank Investment are maintaining their “buy” call on the counter with a target price of RM5.60, while Hwang-DBS has a “hold” rating with a target price of RM4.80. Xuzen This post has been edited by xuzen: Jul 15 2009, 04:36 PM |
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Jul 15 2009, 06:05 PM
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jul 15 2009, 04:32 PM) Mopster, Yuh, very strong buying at 4.24. thus I bot at 4.26, but will slowly accumulate if it goes down.The truth is I have no idea. RM 4.26 or RM 4.20 is RM 90.00 (1,500 share) difference only for me, I can live with this small difference. Looking at the queue, I see support at RM 4.24, so RM 4.20 is rather unlikely in the near term. I will be conservative and go with Hwang's opinion. That is why this is a trading buy for me. Xuzen |
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Jul 15 2009, 06:07 PM
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QUOTE(protonw @ Jul 15 2009, 06:05 PM) Yuh, very strong buying at 4.24. thus I bot at 4.26, but will slowly accumulate if it goes down. I bought at RM4.26, too. |
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Jul 15 2009, 07:35 PM
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Wow not bad ler hehe
put under my radar |
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Jul 15 2009, 10:54 PM
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Jul 15 2009, 07:35 PM) Wow not bad ler hehe give a buzz when you're buying, darkknight81 put under my radar |
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Jul 16 2009, 12:40 AM
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Might accumulate..
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Jul 16 2009, 02:24 AM
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my target price RM 4.04 or below. May not get it today cos Dow is up 200 pts
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Jul 16 2009, 08:52 AM
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QUOTE(alenac @ Jul 16 2009, 02:24 AM) my target price RM 4.04 or below. May not get it today cos Dow is up 200 pts yday also dropped..tday will be the same kua |
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Jul 16 2009, 09:28 AM
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just buy anything below RM4.30. keep it for dividend play.
reinvest your 30sen dividend to buy more units. |
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Jul 16 2009, 10:33 AM
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QUOTE(smartly @ Jul 16 2009, 09:28 AM) just buy anything below RM4.30. keep it for dividend play. i agree..reinvest your 30sen dividend to buy more units. i've calculated that if u buy at 4.30 and gets 40 cents dividend annualy, you return is already at 9.3% Im not sure whether toto has the record of not paying div... |
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Jul 16 2009, 02:38 PM
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QUOTE(alenac @ Jul 16 2009, 02:24 AM) my target price RM 4.04 or below. May not get it today cos Dow is up 200 pts wah, RM4.04? how did you come to that conclusion?if you are speculating, then wait ya .... |
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Jul 17 2009, 12:24 PM
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I noticed that there is little to none big-lot disposing going on yesterday and today....
i will buy a bit more before it hit 4.36.. hopefully i wont be trapped This post has been edited by mopster: Jul 17 2009, 12:25 PM |
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Jul 17 2009, 04:25 PM
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QUOTE(mopster @ Jul 17 2009, 12:24 PM) I noticed that there is little to none big-lot disposing going on yesterday and today.... when it was trading below 4.30, why dont you grab it then?i will buy a bit more before it hit 4.36.. hopefully i wont be trapped |
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Jul 17 2009, 04:39 PM
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QUOTE(smartly @ Jul 17 2009, 04:25 PM) when it was trading below 4.30, why dont you grab it then? i did.. but i played safe... so only got 20% of my total target.. |
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Jul 18 2009, 10:00 PM
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Hey today sin chew said CI on correction next week, so can wait to see bjtoto will drop to 4.20+.
Added on July 20, 2009, 12:31 amwell looked like BJtoto gonna to move to RM4.42 or above if turnover of the stock and CI go up. Even better if Dow keep moving up. This round of bull will be blue chips led. If doesn't go up, it will be slow and steady buy then collect..... This post has been edited by alenac: Jul 20 2009, 12:31 AM |
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Jul 20 2009, 09:55 AM
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QUOTE(alenac @ Jul 18 2009, 10:00 PM) Hey today sin chew said CI on correction next week, so can wait to see bjtoto will drop to 4.20+. hey, contradicting yourself. a moment said drop a moment said up.Added on July 20, 2009, 12:31 amwell looked like BJtoto gonna to move to RM4.42 or above if turnover of the stock and CI go up. Even better if Dow keep moving up. This round of bull will be blue chips led. If doesn't go up, it will be slow and steady buy then collect..... trust no body but yourself. Fund manager, news papers & analyst are all talk free bcoz is their rice bowl, they pay to talk. wow, it 4.44 now.... meaning "die die die" must go up. |
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Jul 20 2009, 01:18 PM
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anyone has any idea when the bonus shares in your CDS?
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Jul 21 2009, 09:48 AM
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Now BJTOTO 4.38, anyone think will it go lower?
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Jul 21 2009, 11:04 AM
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When will the dividend cheque arrive?
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Jul 21 2009, 11:08 AM
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by early aug kua...i more concern on my odd lots..
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Jul 21 2009, 11:11 AM
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QUOTE(ts1 @ Jul 21 2009, 11:08 AM) by early aug kua...i more concern on my odd lots.. Same here, how to sell odd lots? |
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Jul 21 2009, 11:22 AM
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QUOTE(Soulsareworthless @ Jul 21 2009, 11:11 AM) Same here, how to sell odd lots? u got how many odd lots i chiaked from u ok? |
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Jul 21 2009, 12:55 PM
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QUOTE(Soulsareworthless @ Jul 21 2009, 11:11 AM) Same here, how to sell odd lots? If too troublesome, might as well donate to charity.This post has been edited by SKY 1809: Jul 21 2009, 12:56 PM |
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Jul 21 2009, 03:02 PM
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QUOTE(Soulsareworthless @ Jul 21 2009, 11:11 AM) Same here, how to sell odd lots? Why bother to sell odd lots, just keep them for dividend. |
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Jul 21 2009, 03:10 PM
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just keep the odd lot, if you decide to sell it, might the brokerage fees above the price too..........
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Jul 22 2009, 03:13 PM
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Queuing to buy MOAR at RM 4.36... RM 4.40 is the immediate resistance.
TP is RM 4.80. Xuzen |
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Jul 22 2009, 03:22 PM
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Just a huge dispossing of 10000lot, price dropped to 4.34.........
the low volumn is the increasing barrier. |
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Jul 22 2009, 03:29 PM
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My transaction at RM 4.36 completed. Looks like the equilibrium will be RM 4.32 - 4.34.
Xuzen This post has been edited by xuzen: Jul 22 2009, 03:30 PM |
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Jul 22 2009, 04:53 PM
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Too bad now fall till 4.30. Weather is time to buy in?? Or may reach 4.20??
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Jul 22 2009, 08:19 PM
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On 27 july more shares appearing in the market due to 14 to 1 share dividend distribution. I am keeping my target at 4.04 or less
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Jul 22 2009, 08:29 PM
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QUOTE(alenac @ Jul 22 2009, 08:19 PM) On 27 july more shares appearing in the market due to 14 to 1 share dividend distribution. I am keeping my target at 4.04 or less Good point.Interesting theory. Will keep an eye on this as I want some at the right price..... |
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Jul 23 2009, 09:50 AM
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wow Vincent supportimg BJtoto, like that dun know my target price can reached then.
1562 BJTOTO BERJAYA SPORTS TOTO BHD Changes in Director's Interest (S135) Particulars of Director 37 Name : TAN SRI DATO' TAN CHEE SING NRIC/Passport No./Company No. : Nationality/Country of Incorporation : Address: 8 Jalan TR5/2, Tropicana Golf & Country Resort, 47410 Petaling Jaya, Selangor Darul Ehsan Descriptions (Class and Nominal Value): Ordinary Shares of RM0.10 each Name and Address of Registered Holder: Details of Changes Date of Notice : 15/07/2009 Transactions: No. Date Transaction Type No of Shares Price (RM) 1. 13/07/2009 Acquired 20,000 4.290 2. 14/07/2009 Acquired 15,000 4.270 3. 15/07/2009 Acquired 20,000 4.270 Circumstances by reason of which change has occurred: Beneficial interest - purchase of shares in the open market. Nature of Interest: Beneficial interest Consideration: No of Shares Held After Changes: Direct : 6,627,994 shares (0.5270%) Indirect/Deemed Interest : 672,000 shares (0.0530%) Total : 7,299,994 shares Remarks: Indirect interest held through spouse - 672,000 shares Submitted By: SU SWEE HONG |
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Jul 23 2009, 10:07 AM
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well, he just sold his shares now buyback at cheaper price..why not
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Jul 23 2009, 11:12 AM
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QUOTE(ts1 @ Jul 23 2009, 10:07 AM) well, he just sold his shares now buyback at cheaper price..why not Hmm... I was thinking. Does it amount to market manipulation ? I mean if I have a sizable amount of shares & I sell it off (bearing in mind that company belongs to me). Then everyone panic & sell, then I buy back at cheaper price. Is this the definition of a shark ? |
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Jul 23 2009, 01:22 PM
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QUOTE(whizzer @ Jul 23 2009, 11:12 AM) Hmm... I was thinking. Does it amount to market manipulation ? I mean if I have a sizable amount of shares & I sell it off (bearing in mind that company belongs to me). Then everyone panic & sell, then I buy back at cheaper price. Is this the definition of a shark ? All big taikor is SHARK. My BIG SHARK is LION...  |
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Jul 23 2009, 04:23 PM
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In the US it will be a SEC investigation...in Malaysia Bursa will query the company about unusual market activities and the answer will be "I don't know what's going on".
Anyway, 50000 shares is not a lot. |
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Jul 23 2009, 11:48 PM
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Price closed at 4.38 on very low volume, if vol lower 2morrow then price increase cannot sustained. But Dow looked very good tonite, hope it closed > 9000 then party on going......happy trading guys
Added on July 24, 2009, 12:07 amTsi wrote," well, he just sold his shares now buyback at cheaper price..why not " Actually he sold cum dividend at 4.75. But cash dividend is 30sen net and share dividend at 4.38 is worth 31sen = 61 sen Therefore 4.75-0.61=4.14 and bought back at 4.26 0r 4.27? Does it looked like cheaper price? Added on July 28, 2009, 8:42 pmToday bjtoto closed above 4.40, but the volume is low and declining since 20/7. Move upwards can only be sustained if volume increases in future above 20/7 volume at least. This post has been edited by alenac: Jul 28 2009, 08:42 PM |
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Jul 28 2009, 10:57 PM
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Is this good news or bad news for BJTOTO ? QUOTE Magnum’s new 4D game long-term gain for industry PETALING JAYA: Magnum Corp Sdn Bhd’s recently obtained approval for a new 4-digit (4D) game containing a jackpot element would benefit the numbers forecast operations (NFO) industry as it will reduce the market share of illegal operators. Multi-Purpose Holdings Bhd (MPHB), which has a 51%-stake in the company, said in a filing to Bursa Malaysia last Friday that the game was scheduled for an end-2009 launch. OSK Research Sdn Bhd analyst Keith Wee said in a report Tuesday that the Government’s approval of the new game was seen as a move to reduce the market share of illegal 4D game operators, which was estimated to be one to one-and-a-half times larger than the legal NFO market. He said given the popularity of 4D games in the illegal NFO market, this latest move was a signal that the Government remained serious in reducing the market share of illegal number operators since increasing taxes would only provide opportunities for such operators to gain market share. “Gaming and corporate taxes are estimated to amount to more than RM1.5 billion per annum,” Wee added. He said over the longer term, the move would enhance the legal NFO market and provide a level playing field for the three listed NFO firms - Berjaya Sports Toto, MPHB and Tanjong plc |
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Jul 29 2009, 02:48 PM
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just got the div today
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Jul 29 2009, 02:59 PM
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QUOTE(fergie1100 @ Jul 29 2009, 02:48 PM) just got the div today Yippee, I will rush home today and check my mail box the first thing.... Xuzen |
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Jul 29 2009, 04:51 PM
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Yippeee... Received the cheques and a lot of money lo...
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Jul 29 2009, 06:52 PM
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can go buy ice-cream lu ! |
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Jul 29 2009, 07:03 PM
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yay^^
my divvy cheques arrived too! thinking of top up the odd lots. |
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Jul 29 2009, 07:32 PM
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Jul 29 2009, 09:34 PM
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its not that much
annual divided less than 5%. |
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Jul 29 2009, 09:42 PM
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just gotten my share div & cash div
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Jul 29 2009, 09:56 PM
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QUOTE(ante5k @ Jul 29 2009, 09:34 PM) its not that much look at the bright side... it is still more than fixed deposit. annual divided less than 5%. |
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Jul 29 2009, 10:30 PM
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QUOTE(ante5k @ Jul 29 2009, 09:34 PM) its not that much How did you count it? annual divided less than 5%. |
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Jul 29 2009, 10:52 PM
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Actually if u had bought BJtoto since 2002, the yield plus capital repayments and once awhile buy low sell high in those years till todate is quite high.
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Jul 29 2009, 10:52 PM
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1st Interim FY09 : 6cts
2nd Interim FY09 : 7cts 3rd Interim FY09 : 5cts 4th Interim FY09 : 19cts ---------------------------- total FY09 : 37cts 37/5.00 ~= 7.4%p.a *i didnt deduct tax *i assume your average bought price is 5.00 *exclude treasury share not sure how much dividend we'll get in FY10, but I hope to be at least 28cts pa |
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Jul 29 2009, 10:57 PM
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QUOTE(mopster @ Jul 29 2009, 10:52 PM) 1st Interim FY09 : 6cts Based on RM5 per share, you got 7.4% p.a. sudah high liao....some more higher than ASM/ASW.2nd Interim FY09 : 7cts 3rd Interim FY09 : 5cts 4th Interim FY09 : 19cts ---------------------------- total FY09 : 37cts 37/5.00 ~= 7.4%p.a *i didnt deduct tax *i assume your average bought price is 5.00 *exclude treasury share not sure how much dividend we'll get in FY10, but I hope to be at least 28cts pa However, my average price bought is about RM3.90 So I got 9.49% yield plus capital appreciation lagi. |
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Jul 29 2009, 11:07 PM
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QUOTE(jack2 @ Jul 29 2009, 10:57 PM) Based on RM5 per share, you got 7.4% p.a. sudah high liao....some more higher than ASM/ASW. wow, impressive. However, my average price bought is about RM3.90 So I got 9.49% yield plus capital appreciation lagi. |
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Jul 29 2009, 11:11 PM
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QUOTE(mopster @ Jul 30 2009, 01:52 AM) 1st Interim FY09 : 6cts 4th Interim FY09 is 11cts, 19cts is dividend for FY10.2nd Interim FY09 : 7cts 3rd Interim FY09 : 5cts 4th Interim FY09 : 19cts ---------------------------- total FY09 : 37cts 37/5.00 ~= 7.4%p.a *i didnt deduct tax *i assume your average bought price is 5.00 *exclude treasury share not sure how much dividend we'll get in FY10, but I hope to be at least 28cts pa |
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Jul 29 2009, 11:18 PM
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fy10 19 sen plus share dividend of 31 sen at 4.38 per share = 50 sen
+ 28 sen forecasted = 78 sen wow! "Fun" managers should called Bjtoto "overperformed" rather than outperformed. hahahahaha This post has been edited by alenac: Jul 29 2009, 11:21 PM |
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Jul 29 2009, 11:27 PM
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QUOTE(my_cat @ Jul 29 2009, 11:11 PM) 4th Interim FY09 is 11cts, 19cts is dividend for FY10. sorry my mistake... 11+5+7+6 = 29 29/5 = 5.8% thanks for correcting me  |
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Jul 30 2009, 08:33 AM
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QUOTE(my_cat @ Jul 29 2009, 11:11 PM) 4th Interim FY09 is 11cts, 19cts is dividend for FY10. plus treasury share dividend worked out to about 30sen based on adjusted price |
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Jul 30 2009, 07:17 PM
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so what's next after the good news? any exciting developments besides the new game?
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Jul 30 2009, 10:49 PM
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See vincent start buying back the shares from time to time ....... that will support the upwards movement and early sept 09, 1st quarter report 2010 coming ...
Added on July 30, 2009, 10:51 pmWow Dow tonite very strong broke 9200, so 2morerow KLCI moving up again .........party continues ................... This post has been edited by alenac: Jul 30 2009, 10:51 PM |
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Jul 30 2009, 11:06 PM
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QUOTE(alenac @ Jul 30 2009, 10:49 PM) See vincent start buying back the shares from time to time ....... that will support the upwards movement and early sept 09, 1st quarter report 2010 coming ... like what you mentioned earlier, 1st quarter FY10 already distributed 19cts div and 31cents worth of treasury share,Added on July 30, 2009, 10:51 pmWow Dow tonite very strong broke 9200, so 2morerow KLCI moving up again .........party continues ................... does that mean the remaining of FY10 got little or no chance for dividend ? what do you think ? ty.. |
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Jul 31 2009, 05:55 PM
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Added on July 31, 2009, 6:06 pmNot so, certain brokers said we can expect at least another 9 sen. This is because BJland, the largest shareholder in BJtoto needed the cash to redeemed its bonds as and when called by the bondholders. Also BJtoto has got a 75% dividend policy if I am not mistaken. So any excess cash after paying the loan installments would be paid out. This post has been edited by alenac: Jul 31 2009, 06:07 PM |
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Aug 1 2009, 11:55 AM
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You know what would be great? If Government legalises Soccer betting and BJTOTO is part of it.
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Aug 1 2009, 11:23 PM
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Actually soccer betting r being run by underground syndicates in malaysia, as legal ones r not available. b4 TDM stepped down as PM he gave a license to Vincent but it was withdrawn by AAB due to Islam Had-hari principles. True enough the principles were limited to his days in office. Wonder vincent would pursue the soccer thing again, I think not with the resurgence of PAS in malaysia, the UMNO government just cannot justify the giving of a license.
U and I knows which race in malaysia r the biggest soccer fans and by human nature, the trill of watching life matches with betting is incredible even if u put a bet of RM10. This post has been edited by alenac: Aug 1 2009, 11:35 PM |
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Aug 3 2009, 11:33 AM
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actually i would like to ask smtg
im new in the market wats is consider good price for this share? minimum buying how much onli u can get those divident bonus? need help |
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Aug 3 2009, 07:35 PM
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Actually Scott there is no good price. Its the lower the buying price the better.
As for bonus & dividend u r too late. The price is ex. of both. As expected vincent will goreng the shares soon Added on August 8, 2009, 7:03 pm1562 BJTOTO BERJAYA SPORTS TOTO BHD NOTIFICATION FROM TAN SRI DATO' SERI VINCENT TAN CHEE YIOUN NOTIFICATION FROM TAN SRI DATO' SERI VINCENT TAN CHEE YIOUN PURSUANT TO PARAGRAPH 14.03 AND 14.08 OF THE MAIN MARKET LISTING REQUIREMENTS OF BURSA MALAYSIA SECURITIES BERHAD Berjaya Sports Toto Berhad ("BToto") has received a notification dated 7th August 2009 from Tan Sri Dato' Seri Vincent Tan Chee Yioun, the Managing Director/Chief Executive Officer of Sports Toto Malaysia Sdn Bhd, a wholly-owned subsidiary of BToto that he intends to deal in the shares of BToto during closed period. His interest in the shares of BToto as at 7th August 2009 is set out in the table below. You are advised to read the entire contents of the announcement or attachment. To read the entire contents of the announcement or attachment, please access the Bursa website at http://www.bursamalaysia.com . 07/08/2009 05:49 PM Wow now dow is above 9300 going to 9400 Monday CI will continue upward movement. But still not many retailed players in the market for 2nd and 3rd liners. Look like blue chip such as BJtoto moved according to its independent trend and underperformed the CI. This post has been edited by alenac: Aug 8 2009, 10:14 PM |
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Aug 13 2009, 11:51 AM
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All my counter green except BJTOTO. Time to buy ?
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Aug 13 2009, 11:53 AM
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mopster, you still wanna buy more?
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Aug 13 2009, 12:46 PM
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QUOTE(whizzer @ Aug 13 2009, 11:51 AM) All my counter green except BJTOTO. Time to buy ? darn pathetic now  |
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Aug 13 2009, 06:45 PM
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no worries
the tiger shall return when the dividend calls time to buy actually |
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Aug 13 2009, 08:30 PM
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This counter is making me lose $$ Grrrrr
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 Aug 13 2009, 09:26 PM
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BJToto gonna test 4.24 again. Possible if dow falls today and tomorrow.
Goes down any further Vincent may support it. This post has been edited by alenac: Aug 13 2009, 09:28 PM |
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Aug 13 2009, 11:11 PM
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its already been 18 months since the last time BJTOTO carry out share buy back in 2008, hopefully they will do so before the end of 2009
traditionally this counter will have a rally from October proceeding to next February, due to its dividend payout in 1st quarter and 4th quarter (04 ~ 08). Praying hard that BJTOTO will come alive before the CNY rally. on the side note, the share price for BJTOTO has survived the 2008 sub-prime crisis and 2007 carry trade crisis. (trade above RM 4 on both occasion). Given the last time BJTOTO trade below RM 4 was four years ago, i belief the current price has very low risk while promising a reasonable returns in contrast to other counters in the klse which already appreciated 40 ~ 50% over the past few months. |
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Aug 13 2009, 11:55 PM
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yup agree with deadalus, alenac and others...
I will get more BJToTo and keep for long term.. targeting another 3-4k units and target ABP is around 4.30,, (hehe ikan bilis, got limited budget) currently ABP is 4.34... This post has been edited by mopster: Aug 13 2009, 11:58 PM |
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Aug 14 2009, 04:13 PM
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Now everyone knows that BJtoto is not an exciting stock whereone can sit in front of the trading screen and shout oh yeah its price is cumming.......cum...for the ultimate climax. Its a damn boring stock where movement is slow and lethargic. I suppose fitting to what warren would buy. But then again the quarterly cashflow for years kept coming in rain or shine. A pure defensive stock.
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Aug 14 2009, 04:53 PM
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bought my first ever BTOTO share, yay!
lazy to bargain like an aunty in the market, terus buy at 4.33. dad told me he has an ambition, he wish to collect 100,000 share of BTOTO, haha! i shall try to compete with him, see how many shares i'd have by the time i am 50 yo |
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Aug 14 2009, 05:05 PM
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Aug 14 2009, 04:53 PM) bought my first ever BTOTO share, yay! Wel lo com !!lazy to bargain like an aunty in the market, terus buy at 4.33. dad told me he has an ambition, he wish to collect 100,000 share of BTOTO, haha! i shall try to compete with him, see how many shares i'd have by the time i am 50 yo 100,000 x 4.33 = 433K !!! Rich liao. 1 year must at least buy 10,000 to get 100,000 in 10 years. |
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Aug 14 2009, 05:08 PM
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QUOTE(smartly @ Aug 14 2009, 05:05 PM) Wel lo com !! assuming i take 25 years to collect 100,000 shares of btoto, i gonna buy 4,000 share every year, 1,000 share every quarter 100,000 x 4.33 = 433K !!! Rich liao. 1 year must at least buy 10,000 to get 100,000 in 10 years. me 25 year old only p/s: havent count on the tressury / bonus / high div yeild yet |
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Aug 14 2009, 06:59 PM
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welcume to toto's family
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Aug 14 2009, 07:19 PM
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yah...let VT do the worrying since he has so much holdings....
i believe he will still want the cash cow to be milked every quarter..... |
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Aug 14 2009, 07:27 PM
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Aug 14 2009, 04:53 PM) bought my first ever BTOTO share, yay! pana (shui char bo) welcome onboard. lazy to bargain like an aunty in the market, terus buy at 4.33. dad told me he has an ambition, he wish to collect 100,000 share of BTOTO, haha! i shall try to compete with him, see how many shares i'd have by the time i am 50 yo QUOTE(smartly @ Aug 14 2009, 05:05 PM) Wel lo com !! smartly, pana still young, 20+ years to go to reach her daddy age. so 1 year 4k enuf liow.100,000 x 4.33 = 433K !!! Rich liao. 1 year must at least buy 10,000 to get 100,000 in 10 years. |
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Aug 14 2009, 07:34 PM
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Aug 14 2009, 05:08 PM) assuming i take 25 years to collect 100,000 shares of btoto, i gonna buy 4,000 share every year, 1,000 share every quarter LYN BJToTo shareholers got new member liao... welcome on board~me 25 year old only p/s: havent count on the tressury / bonus / high div yeild yet  really a long term investor, to plan 25 years ahead...oh pana-jie now become pana-meimei.... but still my stock trading senior.... This post has been edited by mopster: Aug 14 2009, 07:39 PM |
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Aug 14 2009, 11:29 PM
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hey guys/gals, seriously warren when he first started investing on one or two stocks only. So what Pana88 wanted to do is better than EPF or rather double EPF returns per year. Or still better than 1malaysia Fund anyway. So its a good idea to buy defensive stocks for long term investment. If u had accummulated BAT in the 1970s u would be "fard tard" by now. This post has been edited by alenac: Aug 14 2009, 11:35 PM |
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Aug 15 2009, 12:12 AM
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QUOTE(espree @ Aug 14 2009, 07:27 PM) pana (shui char bo) welcome onboard. oh, pana is a lady !! smartly, pana still young, 20+ years to go to reach her daddy age. so 1 year 4k enuf liow. sorry, all d while i tot 'she' is the 'he'. investment start at young age, very good plan indeed. even if it doesn't work, u still have time to make a u-turn. i'm impress u have such determination at your age. well done. This post has been edited by smartly: Aug 15 2009, 12:19 AM |
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Aug 15 2009, 01:59 AM
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I have like 900 units......looooooooong way to go before hitting 100,000
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Aug 15 2009, 01:41 PM
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Pls count me in this family. I hold 6,500 units BJTOTO leh...
Average cost is RM 4.34. Xuzen |
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Aug 15 2009, 02:18 PM
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3.33 sounds better to me.
T/P : 5.55 This post has been edited by SKY 1809: Aug 15 2009, 02:20 PM |
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Aug 15 2009, 02:45 PM
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I have 3,000 units. My trading console shows my average price as RM5.00
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Aug 15 2009, 02:57 PM
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Aug 15 2009, 02:45 PM) I have 3,000 units. My trading console shows my average price as RM5.00 Well , the fair valuation given by broker is 5.50.meanwhile , just collect more dividends . happy Investing. |
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Aug 15 2009, 03:32 PM
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Ask the investor gurus here, why was there quite a bit adjustment (sell off?) on 11th July?
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Aug 15 2009, 05:03 PM
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Do you know your EPF is being invested to ValueCap to buyout shares?
yes, if u have reached retirement age, act swiftly to withdraw before the government make EPF bankrupt. |
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Aug 15 2009, 06:22 PM
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when is the next dividen annoucement?any idea?
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Aug 15 2009, 11:51 PM
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i think the next dividend payout will only take place in 1st quarter of 2010 since BJTOTO already payout RM 0.60++ in 2009. (inclusive of the 1:14 treasury shares)
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Aug 17 2009, 09:49 AM
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just out of curiosity...if i buy bjtoto now and if they still announce dividends by end of this month, do i still entitled for the dividend?
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Aug 17 2009, 09:57 AM
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QUOTE(jackywsw @ Aug 17 2009, 09:49 AM) just out of curiosity...if i buy bjtoto now and if they still announce dividends by end of this month, do i still entitled for the dividend? Yes, as long as not on and after ex-date. |
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Aug 17 2009, 05:11 PM
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aunty sell vege price, RM4.30 !
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Aug 17 2009, 06:55 PM
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hmmm.....good price?
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Aug 17 2009, 09:01 PM
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KLSE record fall today since the bull run started in April 2009.
But Bjtoto lost only 4 sen. Will Dow continue to bull up tonite? Let's wait. This post has been edited by alenac: Aug 17 2009, 09:02 PM |
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Aug 18 2009, 12:14 AM
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buckle up your seat-belt, we are having rough ride ahead
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Aug 18 2009, 11:25 AM
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QUOTE(alenac @ Aug 17 2009, 09:01 PM) KLSE record fall today since the bull run started in April 2009. When market up didnt up, when down time..dip in But Bjtoto lost only 4 sen. Will Dow continue to bull up tonite? Let's wait.  |
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Aug 18 2009, 11:30 AM
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QUOTE(ts1 @ Aug 18 2009, 11:25 AM) When market up didnt up, when down time..dip in cheer up, they just gave you a handsome dividend + tressury bukan |
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Aug 18 2009, 11:33 AM
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Aug 18 2009, 11:30 AM) cheer up, they just gave you a handsome dividend + tressury bukan factored in still no good |
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Aug 18 2009, 12:54 PM
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perhaps toto should give free draws to shareholders to boost its share price .
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Aug 18 2009, 01:46 PM
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Aug 18 2009, 12:54 PM) perhaps toto should give free draws to shareholders to boost its share price . I doubt it'll boost the share price. More likely will have the opposite effect instead.Oh man... when is this counter going to show some strength? I thought this counter is supposed to be a recession proof counter? But the price is dropping almost everyday. |
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Aug 18 2009, 01:53 PM
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Aug 18 2009, 01:46 PM) I doubt it'll boost the share price. More likely will have the opposite effect instead. If I were you, i just key in the sell orders at rm 5.50 on month to month basis.Oh man... when is this counter going to show some strength? I thought this counter is supposed to be a recession proof counter? But the price is dropping almost everyday. Average down if below rm 4. And just leave it there to match. Time should be on your side, if you are long term. This post has been edited by SKY 1809: Aug 18 2009, 01:54 PM |
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Aug 19 2009, 09:08 PM
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wow toto down today, will 4.24 be breached?
Will VT let it slip below 4.04? This post has been edited by alenac: Aug 19 2009, 09:12 PM |
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Aug 19 2009, 09:13 PM
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QUOTE(alenac @ Aug 19 2009, 09:08 PM) wow toto down today, will 4.24 be breached? i like this idea Will VT let it slip below 4.04? |
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Aug 21 2009, 11:07 PM
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Wow Dow is back after correction. Monday CI opening could be good if shanghai does not sulked.
Will BJtoto test 4.24 this week? wow today BJtoto slightly volatile as it moved from low to high. First Q results will be out soon probably next week. we still can't see any accumulation by VT this time as compared previously. Anyway with the distribution of share dividend we can anticipate that earnings will be impacted by the dilution. Also probably no further interim dividend as it had already been declared. This post has been edited by alenac: Sep 2 2009, 09:28 PM |
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Sep 10 2009, 10:08 AM
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Finally the stock is moving. Although I think the "increase profit due to lower payout" is one-off, the problem with selling now is that it may not go down again later to reacquire.
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Sep 10 2009, 11:23 AM
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Why the did the price shoot up today ? Is it because ppl are anticipating dividend again ?
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Sep 10 2009, 11:40 AM
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QUOTE(whizzer @ Sep 10 2009, 11:23 AM) Why the did the price shoot up today ? Is it because ppl are anticipating dividend again ? no dividend, as expected. next interim should be coming in Dec, expecting a 8 sens. p/s: credit to mopster for the research paper. Attached File(s) 
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Sep 10 2009, 11:55 AM
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Sep 10 2009, 11:40 AM) no dividend, as expected. Thanks.. Bought some last week@4.29. Hope the price holds till then. next interim should be coming in Dec, expecting a 8 sens. p/s: credit to mopster for the research paper. |
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Sep 10 2009, 12:06 PM
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QUOTE(whizzer @ Sep 10 2009, 11:23 AM) Why the did the price shoot up today ? Is it because ppl are anticipating dividend again ? Some people don't read the entire report. Just read the Financial Summary, see div 49sen, straight away buy. Sometimes I do this.Added on September 28, 2009, 5:42 pmWhat does TOTO give out during AGM? NOTICE OF ANNUAL GENERAL MEETING Notice is hereby given that the Annual General Meeting ("AGM") of Berjaya Sports Toto Berhad will be held at Dewan Berjaya, Bukit Kiara Equestrian & Country Resort, Jalan Bukit Kiara, Off Jalan Damansara, 60000 Kuala Lumpur on Wednesday, 21 October 2009 at 10.00 a.m. The full context of the Notice of AGM is attached herewith for your attention. You are advised to read the entire contents of the announcement or attachment. To read the entire contents of the announcement or attachment, please access the Bursa website at http://www.bursamalaysia.com . This post has been edited by simplesmile: Sep 28 2009, 05:42 PM |
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Oct 26 2009, 07:36 PM
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Bjtoto closed at 4.30, will it breached 4.24 and fall to 4.04?
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Oct 26 2009, 07:39 PM
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QUOTE(alenac @ Oct 26 2009, 07:36 PM) Bjtoto closed at 4.30, will it breached 4.24 and fall to 4.04? If it ever drop to 4.04, just sapu....sure win |
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Oct 26 2009, 07:43 PM
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QUOTE(alenac @ Oct 26 2009, 07:36 PM) Bjtoto closed at 4.30, will it breached 4.24 and fall to 4.04? funny... I would have thought that no announcement on sin tax would have positive impact on BJTOTO. Also, would it be possible to fall to 4.04 ? I don't think so unless there is some frightening news, etc.This post has been edited by whizzer: Oct 26 2009, 07:57 PM |
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Oct 26 2009, 08:02 PM
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But the God of NBSYN(VT) has not initiated buy back as yet, maybe waiting for the weak holders to sell their shares.
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Oct 26 2009, 08:11 PM
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QUOTE(alenac @ Oct 26 2009, 08:02 PM) But the God of NBSYN has not initiated buy back as yet, maybe waiting for the weak holders to sell their shares. may i know what's NBSYN ??  toto will launch new jackpot 6/55 on 31st October.. i hope this will rake in more profit in this quarter... |
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Oct 26 2009, 08:29 PM
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Range movements are necessary for the counter, whether blue or red to established its position to move up or down in accordance with supply and demand.
wow! 4.04 coming? Looks like the down grade is a game being played by the investment houses for the price to dropped and picked them up latter. Magnum new game has almost twice the odds against toto games. I see this as short term set back for Toto and the punters will be back to toto. Added on November 8, 2009, 4:45 pmMaybank IB downgrades BToto to sell Written by The edge Financial Daily Wednesday, 07 October 2009 10:21 BERJAYA SPORTS TOTO BHD [] (BToto) may not benefit from any regulatory changes as much as its competitors amid flat revenues in the gaming industry despite more draws, said Maybank Investment Bank (Maybank IB). Maybank IB downgraded BToto to a sell from a buy with a lower target price of RM4.05 (previously RM5.60) due to poor revenue prospects and possible regulatory changes. “Our DCF (discounted cash flow) valuation is RM4.50/share. We discount that by 10% to arrive at our RM4.05 target price given the unattractive residual dividend yield for FY10 and uncertain prospects with news flow risks on the downside,” it said in a research note yesterday. The research house said punters had been spreading their money around, spending less per draw rather than digging deeper into their pockets. Amid such environment, BToto had lost punters to its competitors, including Magnum Corporation Bhd, which saw its new 4D Jackpot breached the RM1 million mark on the third draw following its launch late September. “BToto’s Mega 6/52 which offers a similar snowballing first prize starting at RM2 million took six months to hit the RM1 million sales level from its June 2007 launch,” it noted. It added that 4D Jackpot sales may slow when Magnum ceased its heavy launch promotions,”but the thunder has been taken from Lotto, including the initially much-anticipated Lotto 6/55”. The research house also noted that BToto paid advance net dividends of 19 sen per share for FY2010 in July, during its first fiscal quarter which represented a 238% net payout ratio on Btoto’s 1QFY10 net profit. Based on a 90% net payout ratio for the full year at 28.5 sen, it assumed that BToto would have another 9.5 sen to pay as dividends, which translates into a 2% net yield. “We see better yield alternatives in TELEKOM MALAYSIA BHD [], Tanjong plc and LINGKARAN TRANS KOTA HOLDINGS [] Bhd.” Besides, Maybank IB believed any regulatory liberalisation would only benefit BToto’s competitors, especially Tanjong, the only national number forecast operator (NFO) without a jackpot game. It said Tanjong had the smallest number of outlets at 347 units or 23% of the total in the country, compared with 681 outlets (45%) for BToto and 489 outlets (32%) for Magnum. BToto closed at RM4.42 yesterday, down two sen. This article appeared in The Edge Financial Daily, October 7, 2009. This post has been edited by alenac: Nov 8 2009, 04:54 PM |
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Nov 12 2009, 08:34 PM
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buy 4D Jackpot now...so many ppl strike and bcome millionaire.
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Nov 12 2009, 09:05 PM
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OMG. No wonder the stock price is dropping. Maybe December will announce 3 sen dividend only.
QUOTE(alenac @ Oct 26 2009, 08:29 PM) Range movements are necessary for the counter, whether blue or red to established its position to move up or down in accordance with supply and demand. wow! 4.04 coming? Looks like the down grade is a game being played by the investment houses for the price to dropped and picked them up latter. Magnum new game has almost twice the odds against toto games. I see this as short term set back for Toto and the punters will be back to toto. Added on November 8, 2009, 4:45 pmMaybank IB downgrades BToto to sell Written by The edge Financial Daily Wednesday, 07 October 2009 10:21 BERJAYA SPORTS TOTO BHD [] (BToto) may not benefit from any regulatory changes as much as its competitors amid flat revenues in the gaming industry despite more draws, said Maybank Investment Bank (Maybank IB). Maybank IB downgraded BToto to a sell from a buy with a lower target price of RM4.05 (previously RM5.60) due to poor revenue prospects and possible regulatory changes. “Our DCF (discounted cash flow) valuation is RM4.50/share. We discount that by 10% to arrive at our RM4.05 target price given the unattractive residual dividend yield for FY10 and uncertain prospects with news flow risks on the downside,” it said in a research note yesterday. The research house said punters had been spreading their money around, spending less per draw rather than digging deeper into their pockets. Amid such environment, BToto had lost punters to its competitors, including Magnum Corporation Bhd, which saw its new 4D Jackpot breached the RM1 million mark on the third draw following its launch late September. “BToto’s Mega 6/52 which offers a similar snowballing first prize starting at RM2 million took six months to hit the RM1 million sales level from its June 2007 launch,” it noted. It added that 4D Jackpot sales may slow when Magnum ceased its heavy launch promotions,”but the thunder has been taken from Lotto, including the initially much-anticipated Lotto 6/55”. The research house also noted that BToto paid advance net dividends of 19 sen per share for FY2010 in July, during its first fiscal quarter which represented a 238% net payout ratio on Btoto’s 1QFY10 net profit. Based on a 90% net payout ratio for the full year at 28.5 sen, it assumed that BToto would have another 9.5 sen to pay as dividends, which translates into a 2% net yield. “We see better yield alternatives in TELEKOM MALAYSIA BHD [], Tanjong plc and LINGKARAN TRANS KOTA HOLDINGS [] Bhd.” Besides, Maybank IB believed any regulatory liberalisation would only benefit BToto’s competitors, especially Tanjong, the only national number forecast operator (NFO) without a jackpot game. It said Tanjong had the smallest number of outlets at 347 units or 23% of the total in the country, compared with 681 outlets (45%) for BToto and 489 outlets (32%) for Magnum. BToto closed at RM4.42 yesterday, down two sen. This article appeared in The Edge Financial Daily, October 7, 2009. Added on November 13, 2009, 12:33 pmI would not be surprised if there's no interim dividend this quarter. The 1st interim dividend is more than 2 times 1st quarter EPS. This post has been edited by simplesmile: Nov 13 2009, 12:33 PM |
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Nov 26 2009, 08:16 AM
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1998 - 26 1999 - 20 2000 - 25 2001 - 28 2002 - 50 2003 - 38 (This figure does not include the special dividend of 170 sen) 2004 - 28 2005 - 45 2006 - 51 2007 – 45 2008 - 35 2009 - 29 For those BJTOTO shareholders pls explain this to me. i HAVE total out the 12 years dividend excluding the special dividend and i get average DY of 8.3 %...But after take into consideration of the recent bonus share issue of 1/14 the dividend yield should be around 7.7% per annum And taking considerations of the dividend payout from loan Fair price should be around RM 4.00 Can anyone explain from where the special dividend come from on 2003 and what is the reason? How come the treasury increase tremendously from 70,500,000 to 95,030,000 referrring to anual report page 18/91? 34% increase !!! Should be good then This post has been edited by darkknight81: Nov 26 2009, 08:48 AM |
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Nov 26 2009, 08:37 AM
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Nov 26 2009, 09:53 AM
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treasury shares increase because of buy backs.
record shows the buy backs occurred during January and March where prices where trending towards the RM4.00 level. If you were to check the quarter results, u'll see that cash ending January of RM183m came down to RM126m in March. This post has been edited by Xeraph: Nov 26 2009, 09:53 AM |
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Nov 26 2009, 12:37 PM
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QUOTE(Xeraph @ Nov 26 2009, 10:53 AM) treasury shares increase because of buy backs. Thanks. Enter 10,000 units at RM 4.27 TODAY. record shows the buy backs occurred during January and March where prices where trending towards the RM4.00 level. If you were to check the quarter results, u'll see that cash ending January of RM183m came down to RM126m in March. This post has been edited by darkknight81: Nov 26 2009, 10:32 PM |
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Nov 26 2009, 10:33 PM
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I checked on the annual report dated April 2009 and also the klse bursa the treasury shares are 95,030,000 units. Which i belive is not accurate. Does anyone have any other links on the treasury shares?
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Nov 27 2009, 08:24 AM
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FYE End April 2009
Net Profit (RM m) 348.7 (08) 410.5 (09) EPS 0.258 (08) 0.304 (09) Number Of Shares (Million) 1351 (08) 1351 (09) Total Treasury Shares (Million) 95.03 % of Treasry Shares 7% Number of Shares (Million) in the market 1255.3 15-Jun-09 1/14 Bonus Shares Distribution (Million) 89.7 Total Treasury Shares YTD (Million) 5.33 % of Treasury Shares YTD 0.40% So in conclusion, with almost zero treasury shares and cash left. I wonder how BJTOTO are going to distribute any dividend or treasury shares at least in the next 6 months. 4th Interim Dividend TE 0.11 Interim Dividend 0.19 Total Dividend 30 sen This post has been edited by darkknight81: Nov 27 2009, 08:26 AM |
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Nov 27 2009, 12:59 PM
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They only give share dividend every 3-4 years....
even this coming divvy wont be much, because they already paid in advance 19c for FY2010. The average payout per year is around 28c, which means there is only 9cents left for the remaining 2 quarters of FY2010... if we are lucky, we may get 4 or 5 cents for this quarter and next... even that also depends on their profit.. This post has been edited by mopster: Nov 27 2009, 01:13 PM |
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Nov 27 2009, 03:19 PM
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QUOTE(mopster @ Nov 27 2009, 12:59 PM) They only give share dividend every 3-4 years.... well if you bought it some time ago you would be getting dividend for an investment which basically cost nothing when they distributed bunch of capital repayment right? anyway I see that you hold alot of dividend stockseven this coming divvy wont be much, because they already paid in advance 19c for FY2010. The average payout per year is around 28c, which means there is only 9cents left for the remaining 2 quarters of FY2010... if we are lucky, we may get 4 or 5 cents for this quarter and next... even that also depends on their profit.. |
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Nov 27 2009, 06:24 PM
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QUOTE(mopster @ Nov 27 2009, 01:59 PM) They only give share dividend every 3-4 years.... 28 CENTS is still optimistic i think might be around 17 cents only with 75% payout. even this coming divvy wont be much, because they already paid in advance 19c for FY2010. The average payout per year is around 28c, which means there is only 9cents left for the remaining 2 quarters of FY2010... if we are lucky, we may get 4 or 5 cents for this quarter and next... even that also depends on their profit.. QUOTE Considering the recent 1/14 share distribution, the total amount of shares in the market were increase from 1255.3 Million to 1345.3 Million. In other word, reduce in DPS with the same amount of distribution in future. Case Study 1 Let assume 75% payout of RM 400 Million Net Profit which is RM 300Million Net DPS before share distribution will be 23.9 sen per share. Net DPS after share distribution will be 22.3 sen per share. RM 380 Million Dividend Funding (Assuming 5% interest rate and repayment to be over 4 years Approximately Extra RM 100 Million for the loan repayment. Consider RM 400 Million Net Profit for the next four years. Deducting RM 100 Million will get a Net Profit RM 300 Million 75% Dividend Payout will be about RM 225 Million. 1345.3 Million shares in the Market So we will get annual dividend approximately 16.72 cents per share. With entry price of RM 4.27 the DY WILL be around 3.9 % only This is without considering the potential from POWER TOTO as I am taking the worst case scenario here. Potential of bonus Share distribution Current Treasury share only left 5.3 Million With 1345.3 Million Shares in the market It is almost impossible for any bonus share issue So the downside risk is much more higher compare with upward potential. |
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Nov 27 2009, 06:32 PM
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2009 32.93 2008 27.6 2007 29.05 2006 37.9 2005 32.6 2004 16.3 2003 39.9 2002 54.5 2001 50.1 2000 44.5 Total 365.38 cents DPS 2009 59 2008 35 2007 45 2006 51 2005 45 2004 28 2003 208 2002 50 2001 28 2000 25 Total 574cents 574 cents - 365 cents = RM 2.09 per share difference Considering only 1250 Millions shares Which means is RM 2612 Million difference. Hope some sifu can help me on this Look at the bright side QUOTE The Power Toto 6/55 lotto game is set to replace Toto 6/42 by year end. Its RM3m minimum jackpot will be the highest in the industry. There will be Main reason for me to invest into BJTOTOno maximum limit. We think it is likely to be very popular. Potential - Legalize of TOTO gaming in the muslim state in Malaysia ...Possible? I think this one is more to how much VT can offer to those politicians This post has been edited by darkknight81: Nov 28 2009, 08:14 AM |
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Nov 28 2009, 03:34 PM
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the dividend in 2003 was capital repayment right?
anyone on the legalizing of TOTO to muslim states must see the state government I think and you know the roti canai party sure cannot one la |
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Nov 28 2009, 04:17 PM
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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Nov 28 2009, 04:34 PM) the dividend in 2003 was capital repayment right? Thanks now i know the answer where the 170 cents come from already anyone on the legalizing of TOTO to muslim states must see the state government I think and you know the roti canai party sure cannot one la But i still have doubts on the sustainability of the DPS as the EPS was always lower than DPS. This post has been edited by darkknight81: Nov 28 2009, 08:02 PM |
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Nov 28 2009, 08:03 PM
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For 6/49 and 6/52 the maximum accumulated amount will be RM 30 Million whereas Power toto doesn't have limit. Between, Let say 6/49 and 6/52 reach its maximum the RM 30 MILLION will be absorb by the company (bjtoto or government) ? |
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Nov 28 2009, 09:29 PM
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Nov 28 2009, 04:17 PM) Thanks now i know the answer where the 170 cents come from already Yes indeed as I have hold it for years But i still have doubts on the sustainability of the DPS as the EPS was always lower than DPS. QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Nov 28 2009, 08:03 PM) For 6/49 and 6/52 the maximum accumulated amount will be RM 30 Million whereas Power toto doesn't have limit. FYI 6/52 doesn't have limit already..... but ever since the 20M limit was reached several months ago..... and then another one was snowballed, the 15m mark have not been breached. Earlier when it reaches the limit, the money will be put into another new pot.Between, Let say 6/49 and 6/52 reach its maximum the RM 30 MILLION will be absorb by the company (bjtoto or government) ? |
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Nov 29 2009, 12:26 PM
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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Nov 28 2009, 10:29 PM) Yes indeed as I have hold it for years Darkmage thanks a lot for your answer really appreciate that FYI 6/52 doesn't have limit already..... but ever since the 20M limit was reached several months ago..... and then another one was snowballed, the 15m mark have not been breached. Earlier when it reaches the limit, the money will be put into another new pot. But from my previous figures posted the total DPS is much more higher than EPS can you explain for me? Is As i know there are capital repayment of 170 per share on 2003 (explain by you) and there is also another capital repayment on 2005 OF 50 sen per share funded from the share capital. Between are there any share split during 2003 ? Base on my calculation there should be a share split on 2003. Correct me if wrong. And what do you mean by new pot? QUOTE Definition of Share Capital Funds raised by issuing shares in return for cash or other considerations. The amount of share capital a company has can change over time because each time a business sells new shares to the public in exchange for cash, the amount of share capital will increase. Share capital can be composed of both common and preferred shares So one question here : Since the share capital is much more reduced due to capital repayment on 2003 and 2005 therefore, i foresee a lower Yield due to no more capital repayment in future. Correct me if wrong. |
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Nov 29 2009, 12:26 PM) Darkmage thanks a lot for your answer really appreciate that Well one thing I can tell you is that iirc earlier TOTO loan alot of money to other companies under the Berjaya Group. As such some shareholders were very unhappy as they might not own every listed stock. After some restructuring TOTO got back their money so they could pay out those extra share. I can't remember if there is any split but I can try to find out. You also have alot of BJTOTO huh But from my previous figures posted the total DPS is much more higher than EPS can you explain for me? Is As i know there are capital repayment of 170 per share on 2003 (explain by you) and there is also another capital repayment on 2005 OF 50 sen per share funded from the share capital. Between are there any share split during 2003 ? Base on my calculation there should be a share split on 2003. Correct me if wrong. And what do you mean by new pot? care to share how many you own? |
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Hi all, BJtoto normally pays dividend ahead of earnings as all bets are in cash. So its normal that BJtoto pays dividend from loans they obtained at one time or another. Nothing is strange about this strategy as the major shareholder Bjland has got bonds due for payments. So an excellent idea is to partly pay out of future earnings as Bjtoto is purely a NBO as compare to MPHB whose business is diversified.
Yes, Bjland leveraged on the performance of Bjtoto. But then the entire VT group of companies depended at one time or used to milked from BJtoto. Investors in the 90s were fedup with Bjtoto for lacking corporate governance by lending too much to its sister company untill a restructure during the early 2000 bought investors back to its stable. This post has been edited by alenac: Nov 30 2009, 01:09 AM |
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Last minute masuk longkang. Managed to grab some at 4.14
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Nov 30 2009, 05:01 PM) Last minute masuk longkang. Managed to grab some at 4.14 I have bjtoto mama and anak |
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Nov 30 2009, 05:12 PM
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QUOTE(espree @ Nov 30 2009, 05:06 PM) I have bjtoto mama and anak |
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QUOTE(alenac @ Nov 30 2009, 04:03 AM) Hi all, BJtoto normally pays dividend ahead of earnings as all bets are in cash. So its normal that BJtoto pays dividend from loans they obtained at one time or another. Nothing is strange about this strategy as the major shareholder Bjland has got bonds due for payments. So an excellent idea is to partly pay out of future earnings as Bjtoto is purely a NBO as compare to MPHB whose business is diversified. i don't think it pays dividend ahead of earnings. announcement of dividends is always on the same day as results. except for the latest "future dividend". Yes, Bjland leveraged on the performance of Bjtoto. But then the entire VT group of companies depended at one time or used to milked from BJtoto. Investors in the 90s were fedup with Bjtoto for lacking corporate governance by lending too much to its sister company untill a restructure during the early 2000 bought investors back to its stable. btw darknight, don't think you should be too optimistic on 6/55 no doubt you have a higher minimum payout, but at the end of the day it still comes to the question who currently has the biggest payout. |
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QUOTE(Xeraph @ Nov 30 2009, 06:28 PM) i don't think it pays dividend ahead of earnings. announcement of dividends is always on the same day as results. except for the latest "future dividend". Well iirc the biggest payout was the 20M by 6/52 so far 6/55 haven't reach that far but at least 50% of the pot will be taken awaybtw darknight, don't think you should be too optimistic on 6/55 no doubt you have a higher minimum payout, but at the end of the day it still comes to the question who currently has the biggest payout. |
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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Nov 29 2009, 06:18 PM) Well one thing I can tell you is that iirc earlier TOTO loan alot of money to other companies under the Berjaya Group. As such some shareholders were very unhappy as they might not own every listed stock. After some restructuring TOTO got back their money so they could pay out those extra share. I can't remember if there is any split but I can try to find out. You also have alot of BJTOTO huh 10,000 units only care to share how many you own?Added on November 30, 2009, 6:57 pm QUOTE(simplesmile @ Nov 30 2009, 06:01 PM) Last minute masuk longkang. Managed to grab some at 4.14 aduh just in term of one day difference....Sakit hati....My mistake I will buy back once my reinforcement arrived  Added on November 30, 2009, 7:05 pm QUOTE(simplesmile @ Nov 30 2009, 06:01 PM) Last minute masuk longkang. Managed to grab some at 4.14 How many units you bought?This post has been edited by darkknight81: Nov 30 2009, 07:07 PM |
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Nov 30 2009, 06:55 PM) 10,000 units only I bought 2,500 units.Added on November 30, 2009, 6:57 pm aduh just in term of one day difference....Sakit hati....My mistake I will buy back once my reinforcement arrived Added on November 30, 2009, 7:05 pm How many units you bought? Initially I have about 3,000 units. Then bought additional 5,700 units @ RM4.31 Ever since then, the price kept slipping. I decided to cut loss, and sold 5,500 units last Friday @ RM4.27 Today bought back 2,500 units. Not going to add on anymore on this counter. Now in total, I have 5,700 units. |
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Nov 30 2009, 09:13 PM) I bought 2,500 units. So you are the one who sold me RM 4.27 Initially I have about 3,000 units. Then bought additional 5,700 units @ RM4.31 Ever since then, the price kept slipping. I decided to cut loss, and sold 5,500 units last Friday @ RM4.27 Today bought back 2,500 units. Not going to add on anymore on this counter. Now in total, I have 5,700 units.  What is your reason for not adding anymore on this counter? For me it is just a starting, My next target price RM 3.70 Added on November 30, 2009, 8:33 pm QUOTE(pete999 @ Nov 30 2009, 09:16 PM) The best dividend counter in malaysia. Best dividend counter for sure is not as i have a another counter which yield better than BJTOTO. Furthermore, i think that the management is just OK. VT is not shrewd business man but i bet that he will not dare to do much harm on BJTOTO as it is his cash generator. This post has been edited by darkknight81: Nov 30 2009, 08:34 PM |
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QUOTE(pete999 @ Nov 30 2009, 08:23 PM) siao lien eh, zho lang mai ahneh hau lien. kong lai kong ki, lu mah si jit jiak yeow siu kia. tui choo kio lu eh lau peh hoh hoh eh ka lu, ha mi si MANNERS not saying you ok? you hokkien lang? come spam at our hokkien thread la say is me kao siao oneLMFAO QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Nov 30 2009, 08:29 PM) So you are the one who sold me RM 4.27 VT got connections but well the management is so so and earlier that someone did mention his inter company debt was really What is your reason for not adding anymore on this counter? Added on November 30, 2009, 8:33 pm Best dividend counter for sure is not as i have a another counter which yield better than BJTOTO. Furthermore, i think that the management is just OK. VT is not shrewd business man but i bet that he will not dare to do much harm on BJTOTO as it is his cash generator. Maybe he feels it's enough for him |
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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Nov 30 2009, 09:34 PM) not saying you ok? you hokkien lang? come spam at our hokkien thread la say is me kao siao one But i have to admit toto is a good business. VT got connections but well the management is so so and earlier that someone did mention his inter company debt was really Maybe he feels it's enough for him Revenue 1985 was only RM 76 Million compare with 2009 RM 3695 Million. Which is equal to 4800% increase in term of revenue Pretax Profit was only RM 5 Million RM 585 Million Which is equal to 10,000% in 25 years !!!! I am living in Sarawak, most of the chinese and bumi here queue to buy toto. The bumi (iban, bidayuh) productivity is very high they have average 4 kids at least. By the time 20 years later, they should be grown up already. So imagine the future growth. I am planning for long term play for this counter!!!! This post has been edited by darkknight81: Nov 30 2009, 08:50 PM |
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i lol at that sentence not u, sounds like sabah hokien. This counter eats capital at rm4+.. and its not moving a lot. good for slow and steady investors.
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Nov 30 2009, 08:47 PM
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QUOTE(pete999 @ Nov 30 2009, 09:45 PM) i lol at that sentence not u, sounds like sabah hokien. This counter eats capital at rm4+.. and its not moving a lot. good for slow and steady investors. My investment phylosophy is "Slowly but surely" |
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Nov 30 2009, 08:52 PM
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Nov 30 2009, 08:47 PM) My investment phylosophy is "Slowly but surely" Good investing plan but humans are greedy |
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Nov 30 2009, 08:59 PM
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QUOTE(pete999 @ Nov 30 2009, 08:45 PM) i lol at that sentence not u, sounds like sabah hokien. This counter eats capital at rm4+.. and its not moving a lot. good for slow and steady investors. bro is penang hokkien. Well what can I say when all the dividends im getting now is basically for free as I have recoup my investment cost |
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Nov 30 2009, 09:01 PM
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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Nov 30 2009, 09:59 PM) bro is penang hokkien. Well what can I say when all the dividends im getting now is basically for free as I have recoup my investment cost Hey brother how many units you are holding ?? |
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Nov 30 2009, 09:03 PM
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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Nov 30 2009, 08:59 PM) bro is penang hokkien. Well what can I say when all the dividends im getting now is basically for free as I have recoup my investment cost ty a lot, base on current klse senario, seriously considering change of game plan, will buy some for sure. |
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Nov 30 2009, 09:14 PM
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Nov 30 2009, 09:01 PM) Hey brother how many units you are holding ?? I'll pm you the figure.Added on November 30, 2009, 9:16 pm QUOTE(pete999 @ Nov 30 2009, 09:03 PM) ty a lot, base on current klse senario, seriously considering change of game plan, will buy some for sure. what's ur earlier game plan?This post has been edited by Darkmage12: Nov 30 2009, 09:16 PM |
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Nov 30 2009, 08:29 PM) So you are the one who sold me RM 4.27 I want to see if Toto is losing market share or not, especially to Magnum. I think the general punter's view is that it is easier to strike Magnum's jackpot. If you're a punter, would you buy from a NFO that is easier to strike, or harder to strike? This is my main concern now. What is your reason for not adding anymore on this counter? For me it is just a starting, My next target price RM 3.70 Added on November 30, 2009, 8:33 pm Best dividend counter for sure is not as i have a another counter which yield better than BJTOTO. Furthermore, i think that the management is just OK. VT is not shrewd business man but i bet that he will not dare to do much harm on BJTOTO as it is his cash generator. |
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Nov 30 2009, 09:27 PM
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Nov 30 2009, 10:22 PM) I want to see if Toto is losing market share or not, especially to Magnum. I think the general punter's view is that it is easier to strike Magnum's jackpot. If you're a punter, would you buy from a NFO that is easier to strike, or harder to strike? This is my main concern now. Well i have to admit what you said make sense it is almost equal to 8D But for Magnum jackpot the minimum price is RM 2.20 Which i can buy two different number for Toto Jackpot. |
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Nov 30 2009, 09:27 PM
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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Nov 30 2009, 09:14 PM) I'll pm you the figure. The best time to buy stock is after financial crisis, and get undervalued stocks, well made some lose some, now back to the drawing board due to some losses contra. i made that choice and i blame no one except myself...15k gone Added on November 30, 2009, 9:16 pm what's ur earlier game plan? But im still strong and going, just need 1 counter to conquer them all. |
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Nov 30 2009, 09:28 PM
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Nov 30 2009, 09:22 PM) I want to see if Toto is losing market share or not, especially to Magnum. I think the general punter's view is that it is easier to strike Magnum's jackpot. If you're a punter, would you buy from a NFO that is easier to strike, or harder to strike? This is my main concern now. High payout might hamper Magnum as well |
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Nov 30 2009, 09:29 PM
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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Nov 30 2009, 10:28 PM) High payout might hamper Magnum as well Good Point here BJTOTO topic starting to become hot now ya This post has been edited by darkknight81: Nov 30 2009, 09:30 PM |
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Nov 30 2009, 09:29 PM) Good Point here i am wondering how's the qtr result gonna be. BJTOTO topic starting to become hot now ya it should be out within this or next week. |
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Nov 30 2009, 09:33 PM
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QUOTE(pete999 @ Nov 30 2009, 09:27 PM) The best time to buy stock is after financial crisis, and get undervalued stocks, well made some lose some, now back to the drawing board due to some losses contra. i made that choice and i blame no one except myself...15k gone very cek ak ah you.... haven't lost on contra yet But im still strong and going, just need 1 counter to conquer them all. Well not everytime you can buy a stock after financial crisis. there are always gems out there  |
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Nov 30 2009, 09:33 PM
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Nov 30 2009, 10:32 PM) i am wondering how's the qtr result gonna be. Share with you guys my simple analysis for Power Toto. it should be out within this or next week. |
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Nov 30 2009, 09:37 PM
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Nov 30 2009, 09:33 PM) Share with you guys my simple analysis for Power Toto. Where cannot find also.... Power Toto the snowball so slow means less people buying it |
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Nov 30 2009, 10:17 PM
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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Nov 30 2009, 10:37 PM) Where cannot find also.... Power Toto the snowball so slow means less people buying it Sorry my laptop out of battery just now.... It seems that when the amount accumulated the number of buying does not show much increases. I think it is due to the Magnum Jackpot So that means my next target price of RM 3.70 is achieveable FYI, BJTOTO SNOWBALL effect average out less than RM 200K Where as Magnum snowball effect average more than RM 300K This post has been edited by darkknight81: Nov 30 2009, 10:53 PM Attached File(s)
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Nov 30 2009, 11:37 PM
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Er what's ur pdf about? the payout?
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Dec 1 2009, 06:35 AM
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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Dec 1 2009, 12:37 AM) Er what's ur pdf about? the payout? The snowball effect of bjtotoI want to make some correction here. The average snowball effect for POWER TOTO was only RM 233099 Where as for Magnum Jackpot was RM 487798. More than double of power toto The answer maybe lies with there are almost equal amount of buyer but remember magnum jackpot is RM 2.20 whereas for POWER TOTO was RM1.10 .Thats why the amount is almost more than double of magnum Jakpot. But magnum jackpot payout ratio is higher compare with POWER TOTO. This might answers why more ppl are interested in Magnum Jackpot. This post has been edited by darkknight81: Dec 1 2009, 06:40 AM |
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Dec 1 2009, 09:28 AM
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Alliance gave a "Take Profit" call on BJTOTO.
short to mid term trend is bearish. Attached File(s)
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Dec 1 2009, 11:10 AM
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Dec 1 2009, 09:28 AM) Alliance gave a "Take Profit" call on BJTOTO. Then is good to accumulate more. When people dispose we grab. short to mid term trend is bearish. |
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Dec 1 2009, 11:27 AM
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Rebound lio wo today. Genuine rebound or people pushing to take profit remains question mark la.
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Dec 1 2009, 09:35 AM) The snowball effect of bjtoto I think its more to which is perceived to be won easier. I want to make some correction here. The average snowball effect for POWER TOTO was only RM 233099 Where as for Magnum Jackpot was RM 487798. More than double of power toto The answer maybe lies with there are almost equal amount of buyer but remember magnum jackpot is RM 2.20 whereas for POWER TOTO was RM1.10 .Thats why the amount is almost more than double of magnum Jakpot. But magnum jackpot payout ratio is higher compare with POWER TOTO. This might answers why more ppl are interested in Magnum Jackpot. Magnum's Jackpot has odds as below: Jackpot 1 1 in 16.67m Jackpot 2 1 in 1.67m 3rd Prize 1 in 1,667k now compare this to Toto's 6/52 of 1 in 20.4m...... yes, magnum is RM2 while toto is only RM1, but to a punter..... would it matter? I don't know. look at 3rd prize for magnum, its Top 3 + any 4D. so it may be perceived as "its easier to strike half of 8 numbers rather than all 6"... and u have a maximum of RM10m payout. now look at the demographics of those who buy. 4D jackpot is an extension of the 4D game itself. 4D itself is much more to those who are of the older generation. it is a game you dont have to promote as it sells itself..... always been this way for centuries. from what I gathered, when ppl buy 4d, its more like RM10 big, RM10 small. RM2 out of that RM20, is only a small portion. and whats more, u buy when u feel lucky.... im sure most ppl find it easier to find for their lucky 2 sets of 4 numbers rather than a set of 6 numbers. it still probably comes down to this..... Who currently offers the best winning prize money? (as in if I were to buy now, i'll see which currently has the highest prize) then again..... i dont buy, so i dunno. |
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Hmmm last time I remember my parents always buy 3 places. But now maybe due to economy or something, they are only buying TOTO these days. But sometimes they also frust coz other company their number come out but not TOTO hahaha.
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Dec 1 2009, 03:22 PM
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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Dec 1 2009, 12:40 PM) Hmmm last time I remember my parents always buy 3 places. But now maybe due to economy or something, they are only buying TOTO these days. But sometimes they also frust coz other company their number come out but not TOTO hahaha. Why buy 4D ? Just buy BJTOTO shares, you will be rewarded with consolation prize every quarterly, though is not 1st prize but is a ever lasting quarterly consolation prize. |
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Dec 1 2009, 05:13 PM
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QUOTE(smartly @ Dec 1 2009, 03:22 PM) Why buy 4D ? Just buy BJTOTO shares, you will be rewarded with consolation prize every quarterly, though is not 1st prize but is a ever lasting quarterly consolation prize. Fixed |
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Dec 1 2009, 05:31 PM
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QUOTE(smartly @ Dec 1 2009, 03:22 PM) Why buy 4D ? Just buy BJTOTO shares, you will be rewarded with consolation prize every quarterly, though is not 1st prize but is a ever lasting quarterly consolation prize. Haiz punters will always be punters. Though asking them to do that would be like asking them to use 1st prize money to win consolation money. |
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Dec 1 2009, 05:40 PM
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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Dec 1 2009, 05:31 PM) Haiz punters will always be punters. Though asking them to do that would be like asking them to use 1st prize money to win consolation money. True. |
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Dec 1 2009, 05:43 PM
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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Dec 1 2009, 05:31 PM) Haiz punters will always be punters. Though asking them to do that would be like asking them to use 1st prize money to win consolation money. Thats y the shareholders of Bjtoto shud thanks all the punters which incude my parents ,for the constant steady dividend every quarterly. Golden rule: If you can't beat the house, join them for they will always be the ultimate winner. |
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Dec 1 2009, 07:06 PM
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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Dec 1 2009, 05:31 PM) Haiz punters will always be punters. Though asking them to do that would be like asking them to use 1st prize money to win consolation money. Speculation is also betting |
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Dec 1 2009, 07:11 PM
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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Dec 1 2009, 08:06 PM) Speculation is also betting Life is full of betting. Business man are betting everyday. But the important thing is how much you have researched before you put on your bet. |
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MBB Research for your reading pleasure.
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QUOTE(klguy80 @ Dec 3 2009, 04:51 PM) MBB Research for your reading pleasure. It is a bad news for BJTOTO |
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Dec 3 2009, 09:35 PM
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QUOTE(Mightypc @ Dec 3 2009, 07:05 PM) It is a bad news for BJTOTO what it says? Can;t open the file..it said it was damaged.. |
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QUOTE(andrewckj @ Dec 3 2009, 09:35 PM) what it says? Can;t open the file..it said it was damaged.. I uploaded the same report this afternoon. This is the link:http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Atta...post&id=1336084 Basically it says Toto's lotto games are below expectation and generate less revenue compared to magnum's jackpot. Therefore, MBB revises the TP and forecast for Bjtoto... This post has been edited by mopster: Dec 3 2009, 09:53 PM |
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Dec 3 2009, 09:59 PM
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I think this counter could reach RM4
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Dec 3 2009, 10:11 PM
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You think it will drop to RM4?
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Dec 3 2009, 10:23 PM
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QUOTE(mopster @ Dec 3 2009, 09:51 PM) I uploaded the same report this afternoon. This is the link: Who is owning magnum? Sorry, I dont know how to differentiate magnum, toto and 4D?http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Atta...post&id=1336084 Basically it says Toto's lotto games are below expectation and generate less revenue compared to magnum's jackpot. Therefore, MBB revises the TP and forecast for Bjtoto... |
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Dec 3 2009, 10:39 PM
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QUOTE(protonw @ Dec 3 2009, 11:23 PM) Who is owning magnum? Sorry, I dont know how to differentiate magnum, toto and 4D? MPHBBJTOTO you must not fail me !!! This post has been edited by darkknight81: Dec 3 2009, 10:46 PM |
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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Dec 3 2009, 10:11 PM) You think it will drop to RM4? Why not? Revenue's dropped more than 30% according to the analyst's report, if discounting the special draws. |
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Dec 3 2009, 11:52 PM) Why not? Revenue's dropped more than 30% according to the analyst's report, if discounting the special draws. THe most important part is not becos of this ....less dividend payout for the next four years is the major concern.....We cannot telan each an every words the analyst said. But what they said is quite true also this time. This post has been edited by darkknight81: Dec 3 2009, 11:01 PM |
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Dec 3 2009, 10:39 PM) MPHB You not getting MPHB also?BJTOTO you must not fail me !!! |
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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Dec 4 2009, 12:04 AM) You not getting MPHB also? Nope. I want to wait and see first |
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QUOTE(protonw @ Dec 3 2009, 10:23 PM) Who is owning magnum? Sorry, I dont know how to differentiate magnum, toto and 4D? Basically, there is 3 operators of lottery in Malaysia namely, Sportstoto, Magnum4d and Da Ma Cai(Kuda)Sportstoto was listed as Berjaya Sports toto. Magnum was used to listed as Magnum Corp but was privatised last year in July by Multi Purpose Holdings Berhad (MPHB). It is now a Joint Venture between MPHB (51%) and 49% is held by CVC Asia Pacific Limited. Da Ma Cai meanwhile is not listed but operated by the gaming arm of Tanjong, Pan Malaysian Pool Sdn Bhd. |
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Dec 4 2009, 08:22 AM
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Tanjong is too diversified so Da Ma Cai performance will not be easily shown through it
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Dec 4 2009, 08:30 AM
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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Dec 4 2009, 09:22 AM) Tanjong is too diversified so Da Ma Cai performance will not be easily shown through it Yalor Tanjong core business is still IPP business. |
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Dec 4 2009, 10:09 AM
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Off load half of my holdings for bjtoto already at RM4.24
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Guys i want to ask something from Toto's jackpot,
it says Jackpot is 65% of the Prize Pool plus upfront RM3 million and any snowballed amount brought forward from previous draws. If the jackpot is 6mil, does that means 6mil * 65% + 3mil = 6.9mil? and what snowballed amount means? |
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Dec 4 2009, 12:02 PM
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Unload all my bjtoto already at 4.24
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Dec 4 2009, 12:30 PM
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Dec 4 2009, 12:02 PM) Unload all my bjtoto already at 4.24 Trying to unload at 4.26 |
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QUOTE(andrewckj @ Dec 4 2009, 12:01 AM) Basically, there is 3 operators of lottery in Malaysia namely, Sportstoto, Magnum4d and Da Ma Cai(Kuda) Thank you, now I understood liao... thanks also to all that contributes.... Sportstoto was listed as Berjaya Sports toto. Magnum was used to listed as Magnum Corp but was privatised last year in July by Multi Purpose Holdings Berhad (MPHB). It is now a Joint Venture between MPHB (51%) and 49% is held by CVC Asia Pacific Limited. Da Ma Cai meanwhile is not listed but operated by the gaming arm of Tanjong, Pan Malaysian Pool Sdn Bhd. Added on December 4, 2009, 1:12 pm QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Dec 4 2009, 12:02 PM) Unload all my bjtoto already at 4.24 So now you can 100% on YTLp liao.. This post has been edited by protonw: Dec 4 2009, 01:12 PM |
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Dec 4 2009, 12:30 PM) Trying to unload at 4.26 Maybe later unload at <4.00 |
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QUOTE(jasontoh @ Dec 4 2009, 01:59 PM) Maybe later unload at <4.00 In the end, I also unloaded ALL my Toto at 4.24. |
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Dec 4 2009, 06:27 PM
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Dec 4 2009, 06:01 PM) In the end, I also unloaded ALL my Toto at 4.24. Lol y follow me Don regret later ya who knows VT loan another 400Million and give another round of special dividend |
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Dec 4 2009, 06:36 PM
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QUOTE(protonw @ Dec 4 2009, 02:10 PM) Thank you, now I understood liao... thanks also to all that contributes.... Yup 100% ytl power now Added on December 4, 2009, 1:12 pm So now you can 100% on YTLp liao.. No regrets for dumping all my bjtoto no need look back one.. BJTOTO treasury shares already almost kosong.....Cash also almost kosong thats y need to loan RM 380 Million to pay dividend of 19 sen.... Very very high possibilities to dip below RM 3.80 .....If i not wrong the highest dividend bjtoto share holders can get should be 7 to 8 sens only for 2010 unless they taking another loan But for those who bought last time is ok as they already got all those dividends and capital repayment but not for those who just entered recently This post has been edited by darkknight81: Dec 4 2009, 09:04 PM |
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Dec 4 2009, 06:36 PM) Yup 100% ytl power now It show how desperate VT is to use BJtoto to fund it's other loss making ventures. BJaya toto will never be the same high dividen yield stock anymore. What's more, with the introduction of Magnum Jackpot, it clearly affecting Sportstoto Business. No regrets for dumping all my bjtoto no need look back one.. BJTOTO treasury shares already almost kosong.....Cash also almost kosong thats y need to loan RM 380 Million to pay dividend of 19 sen.... Very very high possibilities to dip below RM 3.80 .....If i not wrong the highest dividend bjtoto share holders can get should be 7 to 8 sens only for 2010 unless they taking another loan But for those who bought last time is ok as they already got all those dividends and capital repayment but not for those who just entered recently And, just my 2cents, I strongly believe a company should not take out a loan for dividend payment. Loan is best used to grow a business as it is the costliest funding. That's why growing company prefer to raised funds through equity, but this is not the case for Bjaya Toto. So long berjaya Toto  |
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Dec 4 2009, 06:36 PM) Yup 100% ytl power now I must reconsider my position in this counter. Perhaps also must cut loss and jump to maybe supermx la... No regrets for dumping all my bjtoto no need look back one.. BJTOTO treasury shares already almost kosong.....Cash also almost kosong thats y need to loan RM 380 Million to pay dividend of 19 sen.... Very very high possibilities to dip below RM 3.80 .....If i not wrong the highest dividend bjtoto share holders can get should be 7 to 8 sens only for 2010 unless they taking another loan But for those who bought last time is ok as they already got all those dividends and capital repayment but not for those who just entered recently |
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Dec 5 2009, 12:39 AM
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i will hold untill Qtr report is out... my last stand...
if no divvy and/or price continues south then i will potong also |
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Dec 5 2009, 04:21 AM
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QUOTE(mopster @ Dec 5 2009, 01:39 AM) i will hold untill Qtr report is out... my last stand... BJTOTO the revenue and net profit is quite constant. What i meant is the numbers of punters are quite constant of course there are growth in the long run but you don expect and exponential growth. But since the launching of magnum 4d the market share is being absorb by magnum.if no divvy and/or price continues south then i will potong also If i were punters i will buy magnum too. thats one of my concern. The reason are below: 1. I can buy magnum jackpot easily by combination of 2 car plate number And the most important thing is i will buy it every draw because it might really come out. UNLIKE toto jackpot where are you going to get those numbers? Mostly is lucky pick and therefore you may not buy every draw. THATS the phychological part analysis from me2. Second even though i cannot strike the eight number i strike the first 4 or the last four number from the 1st , 2nd or 3rd prize i still can get 300 ringgit. So for long term it will hit BJTOTO quite hard. I am hopping for a panic selling then may be able to pick up at even below 3.50 |
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Dec 5 2009, 09:09 AM
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QUOTE(mopster @ Dec 5 2009, 12:39 AM) i will hold untill Qtr report is out... my last stand... By then may be we have to sell below rm4? if no divvy and/or price continues south then i will potong also |
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Dec 5 2009, 09:37 AM
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QUOTE(protonw @ Dec 5 2009, 09:09 AM) By then may be we have to sell below rm4? well the report hasn't out yet, you still have time to cabut on monday (if you want)i'll just hold mine, if fall below 4, certainly a good chance to accumulate from dip |
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Dec 5 2009, 10:15 PM
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Dec 4 2009, 06:36 PM) Yup 100% ytl power now lol my shares are free No regrets for dumping all my bjtoto no need look back one.. BJTOTO treasury shares already almost kosong.....Cash also almost kosong thats y need to loan RM 380 Million to pay dividend of 19 sen.... Very very high possibilities to dip below RM 3.80 .....If i not wrong the highest dividend bjtoto share holders can get should be 7 to 8 sens only for 2010 unless they taking another loan But for those who bought last time is ok as they already got all those dividends and capital repayment but not for those who just entered recently |
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Dec 5 2009, 10:17 PM
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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Dec 5 2009, 11:15 PM) lol my shares are free Yup thats what i meant for those long term shareholders like you are totally different case. |
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Dec 5 2009, 10:27 PM
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Dec 5 2009, 10:17 PM) Yup thats what i meant for those long term shareholders like you are totally different case. Hope nothing goes wrong..... I'm looking at other growth stocks now |
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Dec 5 2009, 10:28 PM
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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Dec 5 2009, 11:27 PM) Hope nothing goes wrong..... I'm looking at other growth stocks now Me too lol. I am ready for any correction / recession |
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Dec 10 2009, 10:12 AM
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its 4.2 ish, any takers?
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Dec 10 2009, 02:36 PM
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any take it warrant CD? 0.55 now.. is it good price to go in?
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Dec 10 2009, 02:37 PM
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Quarterly results anytime soon I guess.
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Dec 10 2009, 08:27 PM
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2nd quarter still not bad @ 7.62 sen. Looks like magnum 4D new game does not affect BJtoto that much. Just wait and see whether the funds and those who call a sell start to buy up again.
BJtoto new game starting in Jan 2010 may increase earning then. This post has been edited by alenac: Dec 10 2009, 08:28 PM |
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Dec 10 2009, 08:57 PM
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Ah yoh. No dividend this round. Feel sad.
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Dec 10 2009, 10:57 PM
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QUOTE(yccheok @ Dec 10 2009, 08:57 PM) Ah yoh. No dividend this round. Feel sad. Me sad too.... Looks like VT had goreng it up last quarter. Purposely declared the next quarter (this quarter) dividend together so he can lift the price to >rm5.... then slowly and quietly let go some of his shares and minority shareholder like me thinks is a good divvy counter and start to accumulate... and now price drop till No dividend somemore. Double loss.... This post has been edited by protonw: Dec 10 2009, 10:59 PM |
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Dec 10 2009, 11:43 PM
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QUOTE(protonw @ Dec 10 2009, 10:57 PM) Me sad too.... Looks like VT had goreng it up last quarter. Purposely declared the next quarter (this quarter) dividend together so he can lift the price to >rm5.... then slowly and quietly let go some of his shares and minority shareholder like me thinks is a good divvy counter and start to accumulate... and now price drop till HoHoHo No dividend somemore. Double loss.... |
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Dec 11 2009, 01:32 AM
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QUOTE(protonw @ Dec 10 2009, 10:57 AM) Me sad too.... Looks like VT had goreng it up last quarter. Purposely declared the next quarter (this quarter) dividend together so he can lift the price to >rm5.... then slowly and quietly let go some of his shares and minority shareholder like me thinks is a good divvy counter and start to accumulate... and now price drop till No div in first quarter, and no div in second quarter. This means profits of two quarters are accumulated No dividend somemore. Double loss.... , about RM 200M. Sooner or later the Div will come, if not this quarter maybe next (Mar 2010). The loan it took of RM 300M is manageable, most investors are worried about this. Dividend policy will be decided depending on how they plan to repay this loan. Need to be a little patient with this counter, the rewards will come. |
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Dec 11 2009, 02:40 AM
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QUOTE(calmwater @ Dec 11 2009, 01:32 AM) No div in first quarter, and no div in second quarter. This means profits of two quarters are accumulated Hope so. I just bought in some more at 4.17 on Tuesday. , about RM 200M. Sooner or later the Div will come, if not this quarter maybe next (Mar 2010). The loan it took of RM 300M is manageable, most investors are worried about this. Dividend policy will be decided depending on how they plan to repay this loan. Need to be a little patient with this counter, the rewards will come. |
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Dec 11 2009, 08:04 AM
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QUOTE(calmwater @ Dec 11 2009, 02:32 AM) No div in first quarter, and no div in second quarter. This means profits of two quarters are accumulated Definitely for long term, for your information don forget the 380 million loan for payout dividend. It average out that the company need to use approximately 25 million every quarters to service the loan. How about the share buy back? For your information the treasury shares is about 5 Million only. Too little. Further more i don see the power of Power Toto base on my own calculation. , about RM 200M. Sooner or later the Div will come, if not this quarter maybe next (Mar 2010). The loan it took of RM 300M is manageable, most investors are worried about this. Dividend policy will be decided depending on how they plan to repay this loan. Need to be a little patient with this counter, the rewards will come. As most ppl go for magnum jackpot as it is simple. If i have two cars i can buy the combination of the car numbers. |
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Dec 11 2009, 08:27 AM
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QUOTE(tan1818 @ Dec 10 2009, 02:40 PM) Hope so. I just bought in some more at 4.17 on Tuesday. You could be among the luckier ones I went in at 4.29 Added on December 11, 2009, 8:33 am QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Dec 10 2009, 08:04 PM) Definitely for long term, for your information don forget the 380 million loan for payout dividend. It average out that the company need to use approximately 25 million every quarters to service the loan. How about the share buy back? For your information the treasury shares is about 5 Million only. Too little. Further more i don see the power of Power Toto base on my own calculation. If they do pay back 25 million (100 million / yr), it will cost them 1/4 of their annual profits. Maybe they can still pay about 25 sen / yr for a yield of about 6%. As most ppl go for magnum jackpot as it is simple. If i have two cars i can buy the combination of the car numbers. Looking at the fact they made 200 million in two quarters, and have not declared any dividend makes me wonder what they have in mind? This post has been edited by calmwater: Dec 11 2009, 08:33 AM |
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Dec 11 2009, 08:37 AM
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BJTOTO have 1345 Millions shares.
Lets say Net profit of 400 Million per annum. After deducting 100 Million for the loan servicing. Left only RM300 MillionS. EPS IS ONLY 22.3 sen. Base on their policy of 75% payout ratio the most we can get is 17 sen DPS. Unless they decided for 100% payout. Thats the main reason why i downgrade bjtoto. I sold all mine at RM 4.24 last week. Don forget the treasury shares.....Last time they use to give treasury shares but now it is almost "kosong" In conclusion, not much bjtoto can give to retain the shareholders. Thats y VT himself also dispose BJTOTO. BJTOTO by nature is a good business. Just that VT is famous for playing a lot of tricks....So i personally think that if we can afford to buy at below RM 4.00 our risk exposure will be lower. This post has been edited by darkknight81: Dec 11 2009, 08:42 AM |
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Dec 11 2009, 12:53 PM
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QUOTE(calmwater @ Dec 11 2009, 08:27 AM) You could be among the luckier ones Lend to their other sister and brother companies. VT common style of doing business. 10 pots with 1 lid. I went in at 4.29 Added on December 11, 2009, 8:33 am If they do pay back 25 million (100 million / yr), it will cost them 1/4 of their annual profits. Maybe they can still pay about 25 sen / yr for a yield of about 6%. Looking at the fact they made 200 million in two quarters, and have not declared any dividend makes me wonder what they have in mind? |
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Dec 11 2009, 11:33 PM
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Actually, VT BJtoto has better corporate governance during the 2000s. I think many of the shareholders who started investing in the early 2000s have got good returns. So if its time to realised ur investment, dun used VT intercoy loan as an excuse. If they have paid early dividends from loans, minority shareholders also benefit, so all is fair and wise.
Actually, if one looked at BJtoto business model it's still sound and I would want to be in this company. Of course if I buy the shares the lowest possible would be beneficial to me. NF companies will always generate cash rain or shine. |
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Dec 12 2009, 11:58 AM
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QUOTE(alenac @ Dec 11 2009, 11:33 PM) Actually, VT BJtoto has better corporate governance during the 2000s. I think many of the shareholders who started investing in the early 2000s have got good returns. So if its time to realised ur investment, dun used VT intercoy loan as an excuse. If they have paid early dividends from loans, minority shareholders also benefit, so all is fair and wise. If and only if Magnum don't steal anymore of market share from Toto.Actually, if one looked at BJtoto business model it's still sound and I would want to be in this company. Of course if I buy the shares the lowest possible would be beneficial to me. NF companies will always generate cash rain or shine. |
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Dec 12 2009, 12:04 PM
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Dec 12 2009, 12:58 PM) If and only if Magnum don't steal anymore of market share from Toto. Correct...For what i see bjtoto have wide range of products compare with MPHB. So i think MPHB have much more room for growth. |
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Dec 12 2009, 01:22 PM
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QUOTE(alenac @ Dec 11 2009, 11:33 PM) Actually, VT BJtoto has better corporate governance during the 2000s. I think many of the shareholders who started investing in the early 2000s have got good returns. So if its time to realised ur investment, dun used VT intercoy loan as an excuse. If they have paid early dividends from loans, minority shareholders also benefit, so all is fair and wise. In the older days, investors did not have many choices.Actually, if one looked at BJtoto business model it's still sound and I would want to be in this company. Of course if I buy the shares the lowest possible would be beneficial to me. NF companies will always generate cash rain or shine. Now a day, Investors can invest all over the world. There are thousands of Unit Trust Funds , Investors can choose from. And Investors do not have to pay extra for switching from one to another., even in Equity Funds. The final choice is still yours. . This post has been edited by SKY 1809: Dec 12 2009, 01:42 PM |
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Dec 12 2009, 08:42 PM
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well, simplesmile, let's wait for last quarter report of MPHB to see whether they have outperformed all their previous quarters then.
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Dec 13 2009, 03:20 AM
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Dec 12 2009, 01:22 AM) In the older days, investors did not have many choices. and investors all over the world can invest all over the world Now a day, Investors can invest all over the world There are thousands of Unit Trust Funds , Investors can choose from. And Investors do not have to pay extra for switching from one to another., even in Equity Funds. The final choice is still yours. . Investors from BTOTO can pull out and invest in Timbuktu and people in Timbuktu can invest in BTOTO. Number of investors in the world are increasing by the day, especially china and india with billions of people and standard of living improving by the day.I think in this day and time there are more people investing than just saving money with the bank and hiding the passbook under the pillow. Even students are playing the stock market, the char kueh teow seller, cendol seller, rojak seller, fish monger, pasar malam trader and ..............and.................. Money is moving at the speed of light. Hopefully our Gomen can wake up (overslept for too long already) and get the attention of foreign investors so the  can flow in.This post has been edited by calmwater: Dec 13 2009, 03:30 AM |
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Dec 13 2009, 08:30 AM
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QUOTE(calmwater @ Dec 13 2009, 03:20 AM) and investors all over the world can invest all over the world It is true also. Investors from BTOTO can pull out and invest in Timbuktu and people in Timbuktu can invest in BTOTO. Number of investors in the world are increasing by the day, especially china and india with billions of people and standard of living improving by the day.I think in this day and time there are more people investing than just saving money with the bank and hiding the passbook under the pillow. Even students are playing the stock market, the char kueh teow seller, cendol seller, rojak seller, fish monger, pasar malam trader and ..............and.................. Money is moving at the speed of light. Hopefully our Gomen can wake up (overslept for too long already) and get the attention of foreign investors so the can flow in.Talking about our Gomen. We should be proud that we export 30k of skilled people ( each year ) to other parts of the world and import million of cheap labour and maids. Our policy is if they want to go, then no point of stopping them. BTW the top eight accounting firms outside Malaysia, employing the most number of Malaysians working for them. In time to come, we could be exporting maids as well. And the next Global war - fighting for the best and talented people around the world to work for you. Which mean , We need a lot of good management teams. No point to to super big , but losing all the competitive advantages. Size alone will not solve the problems. That is what I mean. MAS if were to have the most numbers of planes on earth would not earn them the most profit. If you were to examine how our GLC work, then you might agree with me. Honestly I think Toto is basically a very good company, except having some doubts with the management people. But if you want to look for good dividend stocks, there are still not many choices, not bcos they are top grades. Investors around the world , I guess are looking for the same quality co and management. Correct me If I am wrong. This post has been edited by SKY 1809: Dec 13 2009, 09:21 AM |
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Dec 13 2009, 04:11 PM
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Dec 13 2009, 09:30 AM) It is true also. Yup no doubt is a good business. But if we comparing with last time. Now bjtoto have more competition from magnum, damacai and big sweep. Talking about our Gomen. We should be proud that we export 30k of skilled people ( each year ) to other parts of the world and import million of cheap labour and maids. Our policy is if they want to go, then no point of stopping them. BTW the top eight accounting firms outside Malaysia, employing the most number of Malaysians working for them. In time to come, we could be exporting maids as well. And the next Global war - fighting for the best and talented people around the world to work for you. Which mean , We need a lot of good management teams. No point to to super big , but losing all the competitive advantages. Size alone will not solve the problems. That is what I mean. MAS if were to have the most numbers of planes on earth would not earn them the most profit. If you were to examine how our GLC work, then you might agree with me. Honestly I think Toto is basically a very good company, except having some doubts with the management people. But if you want to look for good dividend stocks, there are still not many choices, not bcos they are top grades. Investors around the world , I guess are looking for the same quality co and management. Correct me If I am wrong. Looking at the game from bjtoto, we can conclude that bjtoto have the widest range of product 4d, 5d, 6d, jackpot (mega) jack pot power toto and so on. So in terms of futures growth i would say is quite limited compare with it's peers. Look at magnum, magnum has lesser games compare with bjtoto so in other words have more potential in terms of growth. And don forget damacai also the futures growth is even greater. Hence bjtoto future growth are quite limited and we should look at it as a cash cow business unless it expand oversea or bjtoto got the sports betting license. For me i would say buying in at the pricing by considering the worst case scenario INSTEAD of looking at all the potential. But what i think why the share price is sliding is mostly due to its inability to give dividend or treasuries shares like last time which i have mentioned in my previous posting. This post has been edited by darkknight81: Dec 13 2009, 04:33 PM |
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Dec 13 2009, 09:39 PM
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Dec 13 2009, 04:11 PM) Yup no doubt is a good business. But if we comparing with last time. Now bjtoto have more competition from magnum, damacai and big sweep. I doubt the sports betting business will be carried out under BJ Sports TOTO. It will most likely be another new entity, maybe BJ Sports Soccer etc. So, shareholders of BJ Sports Toto will not enjoy the profits from the sports betting.Looking at the game from bjtoto, we can conclude that bjtoto have the widest range of product 4d, 5d, 6d, jackpot (mega) jack pot power toto and so on. So in terms of futures growth i would say is quite limited compare with it's peers. Look at magnum, magnum has lesser games compare with bjtoto so in other words have more potential in terms of growth. And don forget damacai also the futures growth is even greater. Hence bjtoto future growth are quite limited and we should look at it as a cash cow business unless it expand oversea or bjtoto got the sports betting license. For me i would say buying in at the pricing by considering the worst case scenario INSTEAD of looking at all the potential. But what i think why the share price is sliding is mostly due to its inability to give dividend or treasuries shares like last time which i have mentioned in my previous posting. |
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Dec 14 2009, 03:21 PM
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what happen'ed to BJTOTO. Still bleeding so badly ?
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Dec 14 2009, 05:51 PM
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bleeding like shit...
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Dec 14 2009, 06:29 PM
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QUOTE(calmwater @ Dec 13 2009, 03:20 AM) and investors all over the world can invest all over the world Timbuktu? a plant or a country in Africa? Investors from BTOTO can pull out and invest in Timbuktu and people in Timbuktu can invest in BTOTO. Number of investors in the world are increasing by the day, especially china and india with billions of people and standard of living improving by the day.I think in this day and time there are more people investing than just saving money with the bank and hiding the passbook under the pillow. Even students are playing the stock market, the char kueh teow seller, cendol seller, rojak seller, fish monger, pasar malam trader and ..............and.................. Money is moving at the speed of light. Hopefully our Gomen can wake up (overslept for too long already) and get the attention of foreign investors so the can flow in.Anyway it's true that there are more and more investors.....should call them speculators actually or gambling |
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Dec 14 2009, 08:38 PM
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I dun think u should use the word bleeding, its just on the downtrend.
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Dec 14 2009, 10:24 PM
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QUOTE(alenac @ Dec 14 2009, 08:38 PM) I dun think u should use the word bleeding, its just on the downtrend. Ya lor, dont sound good. Make me heart attack. |
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Dec 14 2009, 11:46 PM
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Their 1 year low is like 4+ and what's more their support level still stand strongly at 4+ as well so it's definitely not bleeding
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Dec 15 2009, 03:23 AM
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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Dec 14 2009, 06:29 AM) Timbuktu? a plant or a country in Africa? Timbuktu is widely used to describe a place extremely far away and regarded by many as a myth. In reality it's a city in Mali, West Africa.Anyway it's true that there are more and more investors.....should call them speculators actually or gambling Added on December 15, 2009, 3:34 am QUOTE(whizzer @ Dec 14 2009, 03:21 AM) what happen'ed to BJTOTO. Still bleeding so badly ? I think it is just changing of the guard. Short term Dividen investors not happy, want to leave. Long term investors coming in as the price drops. Need some patience here, especially since Lotto 6/55 just started on October 31st and now prize money gone up to RM7 Million plus. Wait a few months and the prize is going to go higher and higher with no limit set (new ruling came into effect recently). The prize could go so high that people all over the country will be talking about it. There is a chance BTOTO could start to fly in the coming months and also declare good dividen at the same time. Hope to see something in the next 3 to 6 months. This post has been edited by calmwater: Dec 15 2009, 03:34 AM |
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Dec 15 2009, 06:12 AM
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wow .. power toto got no limit ah????? soundsl ike a good step
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Dec 15 2009, 08:22 AM
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QUOTE(whoopa @ Dec 15 2009, 07:12 AM) wow .. power toto got no limit ah????? soundsl ike a good step I think the bjtoto jackpot kind of outdated compare with magnum new jackpot... Ppl want to try something new Not saying bjtoto jackpot will doom becos of magnum. But we cannot deny that magnum jackpot are more competitive than bjtoto jackpot. So if for long term investment i will wait price below 4.00 then accumulate at least i have some safety margin. The biggest problem i foresee now is future dividend yield of only 4 % per annum for these coming 4 years. This does not meet my investment criteria unless the share price can really fall below 4.00. I believe it will fall below 4.00 anytime if there is a market correction. My reason is i must buy in a stock at around 7% yield and if the share price drop further i still can receive my dividend. Whereas for bjtoto case the 4% yield already does not match my investment criteria. This post has been edited by darkknight81: Dec 15 2009, 08:28 AM |
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QUOTE(calmwater @ Dec 15 2009, 03:23 AM) Timbuktu is widely used to describe a place extremely far away and regarded by many as a myth. In reality it's a city in Mali, West Africa. well 6/52 also do not have a limit now. and everytime it crosses the 10m mark you will notice that the jackpot increases at a faster rate as everyone will chase and buy itAdded on December 15, 2009, 3:34 am I think it is just changing of the guard. Short term Dividen investors not happy, want to leave. Long term investors coming in as the price drops. Need some patience here, especially since Lotto 6/55 just started on October 31st and now prize money gone up to RM7 Million plus. Wait a few months and the prize is going to go higher and higher with no limit set (new ruling came into effect recently). The prize could go so high that people all over the country will be talking about it. There is a chance BTOTO could start to fly in the coming months and also declare good dividen at the same time. Hope to see something in the next 3 to 6 months. |
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Dec 15 2009, 09:39 AM
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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Dec 14 2009, 08:26 PM) well 6/52 also do not have a limit now. and everytime it crosses the 10m mark you will notice that the jackpot increases at a faster rate as everyone will chase and buy it You got the point. It is all about psychology. The prize money starts at minimum of 3 million and keeps snowballing. Initially the sales are a little slow but when the prize money keeps on rising to 10, 20, 30 million......., just imagine the gambling fever and likely less interest in the Magnum Jackpot which will be smaller. We will know in the coming months. It could be a new kind of experience. |
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Dec 15 2009, 03:47 PM
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QUOTE(calmwater @ Dec 15 2009, 09:39 AM) You got the point. Hopefully the share price as snowball together It is all about psychology. The prize money starts at minimum of 3 million and keeps snowballing. Initially the sales are a little slow but when the prize money keeps on rising to 10, 20, 30 million......., just imagine the gambling fever and likely less interest in the Magnum Jackpot which will be smaller. We will know in the coming months. It could be a new kind of experience. |
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Dec 15 2009, 06:44 PM
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Today Berjaya TOTO share buyback.
==== Date of buy back: 15/12/2009 Description of shares purchased: Ordinary shares Currency: Malaysian Ringgit (MYR) Total number of shares purchased (units) : 1,198,140 Minimum price paid for each share purchased ($$) : 4.130 Maximum price paid for each share purchased ($$) : 4.210 Total consideration paid ($$) : 5,008,097.97 Number of shares purchased retained in treasury (units) : 1,198,140 Number of shares purchased which are proposed to be cancelled (units) : Cumulative net outstanding treasury shares as at to-date (units): 6,530,072 Adjusted issued capital after cancellation (no. of shares) (units): Total number of shares purchased and/or held as treasury shares against the total number of outstanding shares of the listed issuer (%) : 0.48 Remarks The total number of shares with voting rights in issue after the above share buyback is 1,344,500,000. |
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Dec 15 2009, 08:08 PM
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Dec 15 2009, 06:44 PM) Today Berjaya TOTO share buyback. deleted.==== Date of buy back: 15/12/2009 Description of shares purchased: Ordinary shares Currency: Malaysian Ringgit (MYR) Total number of shares purchased (units) : 1,198,140 Minimum price paid for each share purchased ($$) : 4.130 Maximum price paid for each share purchased ($$) : 4.210 Total consideration paid ($$) : 5,008,097.97 Number of shares purchased retained in treasury (units) : 1,198,140 Number of shares purchased which are proposed to be cancelled (units) : Cumulative net outstanding treasury shares as at to-date (units): 6,530,072 Adjusted issued capital after cancellation (no. of shares) (units): Total number of shares purchased and/or held as treasury shares against the total number of outstanding shares of the listed issuer (%) : 0.48 Remarks The total number of shares with voting rights in issue after the above share buyback is 1,344,500,000. This post has been edited by htt: Dec 15 2009, 08:47 PM |
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Dec 15 2009, 10:32 PM
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Yes as power toto and the other game jackpot price increases, the crowd will gather at toto's counter again. And today's shares buy back will stabalised the down trend. Time to accumulate then, but slowly and steadily.
Just imagine if the prize money moved up to 30 or 40 mill, all the punters will be moving to Toto's counter from horse and magnum. The returns to shareholders will leap multiple folds. This post has been edited by alenac: Dec 15 2009, 10:39 PM |
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Dec 16 2009, 12:14 AM
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QUOTE(alenac @ Dec 15 2009, 10:32 PM) Yes as power toto and the other game jackpot price increases, the crowd will gather at toto's counter again. And today's shares buy back will stabalised the down trend. Time to accumulate then, but slowly and steadily. last time Mega got 20m capped, the new snowball took like only 3 weeks to snowball another 20m....Just imagine if the prize money moved up to 30 or 40 mill, all the punters will be moving to Toto's counter from horse and magnum. The returns to shareholders will leap multiple folds. |
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Dec 16 2009, 07:57 AM
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Dec 15 2009, 07:44 PM) Today Berjaya TOTO share buyback. WoW a good sign ==== Date of buy back: 15/12/2009 Description of shares purchased: Ordinary shares Currency: Malaysian Ringgit (MYR) Total number of shares purchased (units) : 1,198,140 Minimum price paid for each share purchased ($$) : 4.130 Maximum price paid for each share purchased ($$) : 4.210 Total consideration paid ($$) : 5,008,097.97 Number of shares purchased retained in treasury (units) : 1,198,140 Number of shares purchased which are proposed to be cancelled (units) : Cumulative net outstanding treasury shares as at to-date (units): 6,530,072 Adjusted issued capital after cancellation (no. of shares) (units): Total number of shares purchased and/or held as treasury shares against the total number of outstanding shares of the listed issuer (%) : 0.48 Remarks The total number of shares with voting rights in issue after the above share buyback is 1,344,500,000. Added on December 16, 2009, 8:02 am QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Dec 16 2009, 01:14 AM) last time Mega got 20m capped, the new snowball took like only 3 weeks to snowball another 20m.... But look at current Power Toto snowball does not look impressive enough. Maybe 8 Million still does not look attractive? This post has been edited by darkknight81: Dec 16 2009, 08:02 AM |
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Dec 16 2009, 09:12 AM
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Dec 16 2009, 07:57 AM) WoW a good sign Once it reaches the 10m mark you will see a sudden surge trust me.... everytime it goes above you will hear people on the streets saying remember to buy it Added on December 16, 2009, 8:02 am But look at current Power Toto snowball does not look impressive enough. Maybe 8 Million still does not look attractive? |
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Dec 16 2009, 12:18 PM
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According to their latest Q2 financial result, BJTOTO has paid out 49.5 cents of dividen from year to date.... but as i remembered correctly, BJTOTO only distributed 19 cents div + bonus share this year ..... wonder how do they get 49.5 cents of div?
ps: the 11 cents which was paid on the same time was for last year 4th Q This post has been edited by monya19: Dec 16 2009, 12:21 PM |
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Dec 16 2009, 12:22 PM
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For your reference, monya19.
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Dec 16 2009, 08:12 PM
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PROPOSED SALE OF LOTTERY SYSTEM
http://announcements.bursamalaysia.com/EDM...42?OpenDocument err they are selling the lottery "system" and not the lottery "business" right ? wonder why BJAsset wanna buy lottery system for .... perhaps Bjtoto is need cash to goreng  |
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Dec 16 2009, 08:23 PM
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Actually the oversea sub of bjtoto is in the business of selling toto systems and BJassets or matrix is a lottery operator in East malaysia. So buying the system from sub of BJtoto is logicallah. Anyway the amount of purchase is immaterial.
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Dec 16 2009, 09:01 PM
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Date of buy back : 16/12/2009
Currency : Malaysian Ringgit (MYR) Total number of shares purchased (units) : 1,900,000 Minimum price paid for each share purchased ($$) : 4.170 Maximum price paid for each share purchased ($$) : 4.210 BTOTO knows best. If they are showing confidence it is indeed a good sign. This post has been edited by calmwater: Dec 16 2009, 09:08 PM |
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Dec 17 2009, 06:25 PM
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Just wonder why they keep on repurchase the share? now their treasury share got 0.6% only.
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Dec 17 2009, 06:42 PM
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QUOTE(ch_leong @ Dec 17 2009, 06:25 PM) Just wonder why they keep on repurchase the share? now their treasury share got 0.6% only. Boost up the share price... |
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Dec 18 2009, 03:32 PM
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Company Name : BERJAYA SPORTS TOTO BERHAD
Stock Name : BJTOTO Date Announced : 17/12/2009 Type : Announcement Subject : ACQUISITION OF 20% EQUITY INTEREST IN BERJAYA LOTTERY VIETNAM LIMITED [FORMERLY KNOWN AS BERJAYA CORPORATION (LABUAN) LIMITED] BLVL was incorporated in Federal Territory of Labuan under the name of Berjaya Corporation (Labuan) Limited on 22 April 2008. BLVL subsequently changed to its present name on 11 March 2009. It is currently dormant. Currently, BLVL has an issued and paid-up share capital of USD10,000 comprising 10,000 ordinary shares of USD1.00 each. BLVL is intended to be the vehicle for BCorporation’s entry into the lottery business in Vietnam. In this regard, BCorporation has been sourcing for lottery business opportunities in Vietnam and has, since May 2008, applied to the Government of Vietnam for the right to operate a nation-wide lottery. Added on December 18, 2009, 3:34 pm QUOTE(whizzer @ Dec 18 2009, 03:32 PM) Company Name : BERJAYA SPORTS TOTO BERHAD Is this good or bad ? BJTOTO to expand to vietnam ? Stock Name : BJTOTO Date Announced : 17/12/2009 Type : Announcement Subject : ACQUISITION OF 20% EQUITY INTEREST IN BERJAYA LOTTERY VIETNAM LIMITED [FORMERLY KNOWN AS BERJAYA CORPORATION (LABUAN) LIMITED] BLVL was incorporated in Federal Territory of Labuan under the name of Berjaya Corporation (Labuan) Limited on 22 April 2008. BLVL subsequently changed to its present name on 11 March 2009. It is currently dormant. Currently, BLVL has an issued and paid-up share capital of USD10,000 comprising 10,000 ordinary shares of USD1.00 each. BLVL is intended to be the vehicle for BCorporation’s entry into the lottery business in Vietnam. In this regard, BCorporation has been sourcing for lottery business opportunities in Vietnam and has, since May 2008, applied to the Government of Vietnam for the right to operate a nation-wide lottery. This post has been edited by whizzer: Dec 18 2009, 03:34 PM |
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Dec 18 2009, 03:36 PM
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QUOTE(whizzer @ Dec 18 2009, 03:32 PM) Company Name : BERJAYA SPORTS TOTO BERHAD No impact, don't think can get so easily...Stock Name : BJTOTO Date Announced : 17/12/2009 Type : Announcement Subject : ACQUISITION OF 20% EQUITY INTEREST IN BERJAYA LOTTERY VIETNAM LIMITED [FORMERLY KNOWN AS BERJAYA CORPORATION (LABUAN) LIMITED] BLVL was incorporated in Federal Territory of Labuan under the name of Berjaya Corporation (Labuan) Limited on 22 April 2008. BLVL subsequently changed to its present name on 11 March 2009. It is currently dormant. Currently, BLVL has an issued and paid-up share capital of USD10,000 comprising 10,000 ordinary shares of USD1.00 each. BLVL is intended to be the vehicle for BCorporation’s entry into the lottery business in Vietnam. In this regard, BCorporation has been sourcing for lottery business opportunities in Vietnam and has, since May 2008, applied to the Government of Vietnam for the right to operate a nation-wide lottery. Added on December 18, 2009, 3:34 pm Is this good or bad ? BJTOTO to expand to vietnam ? |
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Dec 18 2009, 03:40 PM
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QUOTE(htt @ Dec 18 2009, 03:36 PM) No impact, don't think can get so easily... Ya.. since 2008. If get then its like striking TOTO |
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Dec 21 2009, 05:16 AM
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QUOTE(htt @ Dec 18 2009, 03:36 AM) No impact, don't think can get so easily... For many years Vietnam is trying to legalize and privatise gambling. Lots of illegal gambling going on, Govt hoping to cash in on taxes if legalized. VT has good connections there, maybe he can make it happen. Their population is 80 million, and no religious problems with gambling. This post has been edited by calmwater: Dec 21 2009, 09:14 AM |
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Dec 21 2009, 10:51 AM
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QUOTE(calmwater @ Dec 21 2009, 05:16 AM) For many years Vietnam is trying to legalize and privatise gambling. Lots of illegal gambling going on, Govt hoping to cash in on taxes if legalized. VT has good connections there, maybe he can make it happen. Their population is 80 million, and no religious problems with gambling. Negative on this deal by MB.This post has been edited by whizzer: Dec 21 2009, 10:52 AM Attached File(s)
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Dec 21 2009, 12:00 PM
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QUOTE(whizzer @ Dec 20 2009, 10:51 PM) Negative on this deal by MB. Don't be surprised if these analysts downgrade a stock and queue to buy lower. |
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Dec 21 2009, 01:43 PM
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QUOTE(calmwater @ Dec 21 2009, 12:00 PM) Don't be surprised if these analysts downgrade a stock and queue to buy lower. Somehow they have to end the report by saying buy Tanjong  |
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Dec 21 2009, 05:37 PM
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Sign of confidence
 Their acquiring price fall between 4.16 to 4.18 |
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Dec 21 2009, 07:15 PM
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hmmm. more bad news, more ppl sell, and they keep on buying back at lower price. Conspiracy theory?
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Dec 21 2009, 08:12 PM
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QUOTE(ch_leong @ Dec 21 2009, 07:15 AM) hmmm. more bad news, more ppl sell, and they keep on buying back at lower price. Conspiracy theory? Highly suspicious Added on December 21, 2009, 8:15 pm QUOTE(GregPG01 @ Dec 21 2009, 01:43 AM) Somehow they have to end the report by saying buy Tanjong Need to sell 4 units of BTOTO to buy 1 unit of Tanjong This post has been edited by calmwater: Dec 21 2009, 08:15 PM |
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Dec 21 2009, 08:21 PM
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QUOTE(ch_leong @ Dec 21 2009, 07:15 PM) hmmm. more bad news, more ppl sell, and they keep on buying back at lower price. Conspiracy theory? should be glad that VT & the shareholders are buying back, and not disposing.we shall let the time prove it |
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Dec 21 2009, 10:31 PM
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I will be collecting more of this counter at around RM 4.00 - 4.10.
BJTOTO is still fundamentally strong. Its business model is still strong. This is just an trough. Remember the maxim "buy low, sell high" Xuzen |
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Dec 21 2009, 11:20 PM
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Stock move in cycles. In this cycle, BJTOTO is not a favourite. A few years ago, I bought it at RM5-35 n sold it at RM6-35. There is really nothing wrong with the stock.
A recession proof business. The problem is the market is not HOT enough. Maybe a lot of daring retail players have been badly burned. |
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Dec 21 2009, 11:29 PM
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Dec 21 2009, 10:31 PM) I will be collecting more of this counter at around RM 4.00 - 4.10. But it looks like VT will not let it go that low. Price always spring back to 4.20 BJTOTO is still fundamentally strong. Its business model is still strong. This is just an trough. Remember the maxim "buy low, sell high" Xuzen |
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Dec 22 2009, 09:51 AM
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Dec 21 2009, 05:37 PM) Sign of confidence nice one.... what software/platform are you using? Their acquiring price fall between 4.16 to 4.18 |
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Dec 22 2009, 12:13 PM
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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Dec 22 2009, 09:51 AM) nice one.... what software/platform are you using? that's daily company announcement. you can refer to www.klse.com.my, or check it using your trading system. |
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Dec 22 2009, 12:39 PM
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Dec 22 2009, 12:13 PM) that's daily company announcement. ah.. u made me feel like buying this counter now ..you can refer to www.klse.com.my, or check it using your trading system. |
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Dec 22 2009, 12:43 PM
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Dec 22 2009, 12:13 PM) that's daily company announcement. the klse one not as nice as urs....klse one very big and fugly lolzyou can refer to www.klse.com.my, or check it using your trading system. |
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Dec 22 2009, 03:06 PM
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QUOTE(whizzer @ Dec 21 2009, 11:29 PM) But it looks like VT will not let it go that low. Price always spring back to 4.20 Even at RM 4.20 is still good, because if you consult Dynaquest's guide, they forecasted a div of 40cts for 2010. If you buy at RM 4.20, your DY is still at 9.5% p.a. That is something to cheer abt isn't it? Xuzen |
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Dec 22 2009, 04:15 PM
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Dec 22 2009, 04:06 PM) Even at RM 4.20 is still good, because if you consult Dynaquest's guide, they forecasted a div of 40cts for 2010. If you buy at RM 4.20, your DY is still at 9.5% p.a. Alamak That is something to cheer abt isn't it? Xuzen don follow 100% on what ppl said. We have to analyse our own....I believe dynaquest did not put the RM 380 million loan into considerations....Do they? 9.5% DY.... P.A?? If got 7% i chop already lar |
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Dec 22 2009, 04:37 PM
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Dec 22 2009, 04:15 PM) Alamak he already said ma 40 cents at 4.20 is 9.5% PA don follow 100% on what ppl said. We have to analyse our own....I believe dynaquest did not put the RM 380 million loan into considerations....Do they? 9.5% DY.... P.A?? If got 7% i chop already lar |
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Dec 22 2009, 04:40 PM
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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Dec 22 2009, 05:37 PM) he already said ma 40 cents at 4.20 is 9.5% PA 40 cents is impossible i can say for this year or next year even....Thats y i said it is no point to refer to the book alone... We should refer to the company report on how much cash they have and how much debts they need to pay out.This post has been edited by darkknight81: Dec 22 2009, 04:42 PM |
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Dec 22 2009, 05:36 PM
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Dec 22 2009, 04:40 PM) 40 cents is impossible i can say for this year or next year even....Thats y i said it is no point to refer to the book alone... We should refer to the company report on how much cash they have and how much debts they need to pay out. well, who knows? maybe bjtoto will borrow even more to pay out 40 sen dividend |
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Dec 22 2009, 06:17 PM
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Dec 22 2009, 05:36 PM) well, who knows? maybe bjtoto will borrow even more to pay out 40 sen dividend borrow to pay out more dividend is pretty useless but then again it's like paying in advance for the dividend that's all |
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Dec 22 2009, 07:59 PM
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Dec 22 2009, 04:15 PM) Alamak I agree. dynaquest goes out of date pretty fast. I used to buy it years ago but I do not buy it now. Up-to-date info can easily be obtained thru' the net. You can analyse the info yourself. don follow 100% on what ppl said. We have to analyse our own....I believe dynaquest did not put the RM 380 million loan into considerations....Do they? 9.5% DY.... P.A?? If got 7% i chop already lar |
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Dec 22 2009, 09:43 PM
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Date of buy back : 22/12/2009 Total number of shares purchased (units) : 300,000 Minimum price paid for each share purchased ($$) : 4.190 Maximum price paid for each share purchased ($$) : 4.220 Looking at BTOTO buyback history, Sikit sikit jadi bukit This post has been edited by calmwater: Dec 22 2009, 09:48 PM |
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Dec 23 2009, 12:50 AM
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Wow they are buying more everyday?
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Dec 23 2009, 03:32 AM
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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Dec 23 2009, 12:50 AM) Wow they are buying more everyday? That's a good sign |
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Dec 23 2009, 08:18 AM
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Dec 22 2009, 06:36 PM) well, who knows? maybe bjtoto will borrow even more to pay out 40 sen dividend Well. But you got to ask yourself either this is a good way to pay dividend or not lol |
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Dec 23 2009, 10:25 AM
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Dec 23 2009, 08:18 AM) Well. But you got to ask yourself either this is a good way to pay dividend or not lol Wah someone is supporting at 4.23 now.... Shud have got it at 4.15... |
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Dec 23 2009, 12:06 PM
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One question i would like to ask. Is it a good sign that the director is manipulating the stock price? I mean VT
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Dec 23 2009, 12:16 PM
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Dec 23 2009, 12:06 PM) One question i would like to ask. Is it a good sign that the director is manipulating the stock price? I mean VT Everything also got 2 side...But don't play play with BJ Toto, they definitely have more cash than you |
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Dec 23 2009, 12:17 PM
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I prefer the directors accumulating anytime rather than selling big chunks.
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Dec 23 2009, 12:22 PM
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QUOTE(htt @ Dec 23 2009, 01:16 PM) Everything also got 2 side... lol i am not saying who got more cash definitely my cash are far far lesser than VT.... What i mean is the way VT are doing is not right not saying who is richer. He should concentrate on the business fundamental instead of manipulating the stock price. It makes bjtoto loss its shine.... But don't play play with BJ Toto, they definitely have more cash than you As are director of a bluechip... i think VT should at least buy when the stock price is facing downside pressure and stop buying when the stock price going up... But what he is doing now is trading bjtoto shares..... Actually i am very interested in BJTOTO... but look at what VT is doing make me hesitate to buy even at a lower price.... This post has been edited by darkknight81: Dec 23 2009, 12:27 PM |
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Dec 23 2009, 01:10 PM
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Dec 23 2009, 12:22 AM) lol i am not saying who got more cash definitely my cash are far far lesser than VT.... What i mean is the way VT are doing is not right not saying who is richer. He should concentrate on the business fundamental instead of manipulating the stock price. It makes bjtoto loss its shine.... I think As are director of a bluechip... i think VT should at least buy when the stock price is facing downside pressure and stop buying when the stock price going up... But what he is doing now is trading bjtoto shares..... Actually i am very interested in BJTOTO... but look at what VT is doing make me hesitate to buy even at a lower price.... (i) he can see the potential of the new lotto game (ii) he knows when the next dividen announcement is (he decides ma) (iii) maybe there is new business coming, Vietnam or elsewhere. So many possibilities. |
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Dec 23 2009, 01:36 PM
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Dec 23 2009, 12:22 PM) lol i am not saying who got more cash definitely my cash are far far lesser than VT.... What i mean is the way VT are doing is not right not saying who is richer. He should concentrate on the business fundamental instead of manipulating the stock price. It makes bjtoto loss its shine.... Hehe... I mean, if VT want to goreng up/ down, don't stand in his way... no offend for that As are director of a bluechip... i think VT should at least buy when the stock price is facing downside pressure and stop buying when the stock price going up... But what he is doing now is trading bjtoto shares..... Actually i am very interested in BJTOTO... but look at what VT is doing make me hesitate to buy even at a lower price.... |
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Dec 23 2009, 01:45 PM
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QUOTE(htt @ Dec 23 2009, 01:36 PM) Hehe... I mean, if VT want to goreng up/ down, don't stand in his way... no offend for that Yes , you are right.If you invest in Malaysia, follow the rules of the sharks. If sharks buy, we buy. If they dump, we dump too. From a simple TA point of view. |
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Dec 23 2009, 01:46 PM
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QUOTE(htt @ Dec 23 2009, 02:36 PM) Hehe... I mean, if VT want to goreng up/ down, don't stand in his way... no offend for that Of course he is the big tauke of bjtoto what. Who dare to stand on his way If i have 1% of his wealth cukup sudah What i meant is i don like his way of trading bjtoto. Of course it give us opportunity to profit from this but sound not professional for a MAIN BOARD LISTED company director to trade his own stocks. This post has been edited by darkknight81: Dec 23 2009, 01:48 PM |
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Dec 23 2009, 01:49 PM
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Dec 23 2009, 01:45 PM) Yes , you are right. I always scare kena makan by shark mah If you invest in Malaysia, follow the rules of the sharks. If sharks buy, we buy. If they dump, we dump too. From a simple TA point of view. |
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Dec 23 2009, 01:50 PM
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Dec 23 2009, 02:45 PM) Yes , you are right. Ermmm If you invest in Malaysia, follow the rules of the sharks. If sharks buy, we buy. If they dump, we dump too. From a simple TA point of view. .... what you and htt said also quite true lar . Take note for that Just that sometimes we may wonder what VT is up to...Investor will loss trust in him.... No wonder recently i read an articles mentioned that those companies under VT was undervalued maybe due to his dishonesty... |
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Dec 23 2009, 01:51 PM
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Dec 23 2009, 01:46 PM) Of course What can we do? Is lidat one... Sometime you have to work with jerk, that's still better than work for jerk anyway he is the big tauke of bjtoto what. Who dare to stand on his way If i have 1% of his wealth cukup sudah What i meant is i don like his way of trading bjtoto. Of course it give us opportunity to profit from this but sound not professional for a MAIN BOARD LISTED company director to trade his own stocks. |
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Dec 23 2009, 02:10 PM
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QUOTE(htt @ Dec 23 2009, 01:51 PM) What can we do? Is lidat one... Sometime you have to work with jerk, that's still better than work for jerk anyway That also depends.I cannot sleep well if I were to buy his (VT ) shares.  Otherwise, I could agree 100% with you. |
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Dec 23 2009, 02:17 PM
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I look at BJTOTO from its business model point of view. Its NFO is a cash cow business and it will be like that unless something drastic changes, for example the Govt suddenly decide to cancel its NFO license.
Unless that happen, it is quite unlikely this stock will go down the drain. I have confident that the company revenue is able to repay the debts it carry, unless something drastic happen. Xuzen |
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Dec 23 2009, 02:22 PM
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Dec 23 2009, 03:17 PM) I look at BJTOTO from its business model point of view. Its NFO is a cash cow business and it will be like that unless something drastic changes, for example the Govt suddenly decide to cancel its NFO license. No doubt the bjtoto this ship is good. The main concern for me now is the captain VT having problem don know where he is going to bring you....Unless that happen, it is quite unlikely this stock will go down the drain. I have confident that the company revenue is able to repay the debts it carry, unless something drastic happen. Xuzen |
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Dec 23 2009, 06:14 PM
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BJTOTO is aggresively increasing their treasury
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Dec 23 2009, 06:38 PM
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Dec 23 2009, 06:14 PM) BJTOTO is aggresively increasing their treasury today back to 4.26~ i happy liao~~~~ |
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Dec 23 2009, 06:38 PM
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Dec 23 2009, 06:14 PM) BJTOTO is aggresively increasing their treasury Good. wait for shares dividend again... |
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Dec 23 2009, 07:15 PM
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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Dec 23 2009, 01:45 PM) Yes , you are right. You better hope that you can dump in time if there is a panic selling If you invest in Malaysia, follow the rules of the sharks. If sharks buy, we buy. If they dump, we dump too. From a simple TA point of view. |
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Dec 23 2009, 09:46 PM
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just wonder where they got so much money to repurchase the shares
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Dec 23 2009, 10:43 PM
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QUOTE(ch_leong @ Dec 23 2009, 09:46 PM) just wonder where they got so much money to repurchase the shares From the Q to their counters... |
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Dec 23 2009, 10:48 PM
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wow they now have more than 10m in treasury shares
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Dec 24 2009, 12:01 AM
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Hahahha.... King of Goreng(VT) is back in full force to fly BJtoto, individually and also his stable of companies. Good sign. At the same time will BJtoto jackpots keep increasing? Seeing gold at the end of the tunnel then......
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Dec 24 2009, 12:34 AM
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Yup just hope that the jackpot don't stop increasing for all 3 of them then we will see some huge revenues for the coming weeks
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Dec 25 2009, 02:45 AM
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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Dec 23 2009, 12:34 PM) Yup just hope that the jackpot don't stop increasing for all 3 of them then we will see some huge revenues for the coming weeks If no one strikes, lotto 6/55 jackpot will surpass 10 Million by New year's day. Good sales can be expected thereafter especially being the festive season. |
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Dec 25 2009, 03:41 PM
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Is it still worth to "Buy " bjtoto now? Can the dividend maintain at 40 sens ?
I am still seriously considering........ |
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Dec 25 2009, 11:08 PM
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QUOTE(BrendaChee @ Dec 25 2009, 03:41 PM) Is it still worth to "Buy " bjtoto now? Can the dividend maintain at 40 sens ? i think 40c p.a. is too optimistic. Anywhere between 26c-29c is more likely.... just based on how much i know about the company..I am still seriously considering........ Assuming 29c pa and u buy now.. the gross DY is about 6.7% This post has been edited by mopster: Dec 25 2009, 11:10 PM |
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Dec 25 2009, 11:43 PM
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Interestingly TOTO started of as a Government's effort to raise funds to promote and develop sports, youth and cultural activities. I vaguely remember that they televise the draws of TOTO on RTM
I recall being very young & seeing this draw via a black & white TV. A round cage with lots of small ball in it & a handle which needs to be crank up until a ball drops out. (Note: A bit OT but I was just suddenly hit by nostalgia.) |
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Dec 27 2009, 10:04 AM
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QUOTE(whizzer @ Dec 25 2009, 11:43 AM) Interestingly TOTO started of as a Government's effort to raise funds to promote and develop sports, youth and cultural activities. I vaguely remember that they televise the draws of TOTO on RTM Since you have mentioned it, I remember it too. I recall being very young & seeing this draw via a black & white TV. A round cage with lots of small ball in it & a handle which needs to be crank up until a ball drops out. (Note: A bit OT but I was just suddenly hit by nostalgia.) Since there were only two channels, most viewers young or old would watch the draw, nothing else to do while waiting for Ultraman, man from U.N.C.L.E., the avengers, Lassie, Mission Impossible, wild wild west, Rin tin tin and other great shows in the good old days. Wah lots of nostalgia also This post has been edited by calmwater: Dec 27 2009, 10:07 AM |
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Dec 27 2009, 07:08 PM
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QUOTE(calmwater @ Dec 27 2009, 10:04 AM) Since you have mentioned it, I remember it too. wow....lots of old "ginger" here.....feels like hari ini dalam sejarah.... Since there were only two channels, most viewers young or old would watch the draw, nothing else to do while waiting for Ultraman, man from U.N.C.L.E., the avengers, Lassie, Mission Impossible, wild wild west, Rin tin tin and other great shows in the good old days. Wah lots of nostalgia also |
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Dec 28 2009, 12:14 AM
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QUOTE(calmwater @ Dec 27 2009, 10:04 AM) Since you have mentioned it, I remember it too. If they televise it live nowadays, it will do wonders for BJTOTO stock prices Since there were only two channels, most viewers young or old would watch the draw, nothing else to do while waiting for Ultraman, man from U.N.C.L.E., the avengers, Lassie, Mission Impossible, wild wild west, Rin tin tin and other great shows in the good old days. Wah lots of nostalgia also Added on December 28, 2009, 12:17 am QUOTE(Amanda99 @ Dec 27 2009, 07:08 PM) wow....lots of old "ginger" here.....feels like hari ini dalam sejarah.... History is good for you. It may surprise many young-ones that TOTO is actually started by the govt This post has been edited by whizzer: Dec 28 2009, 12:17 AM |
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Dec 28 2009, 03:21 PM
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anyone knows approximately when the next dividend payout will be announced?
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Dec 28 2009, 03:28 PM
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QUOTE(simonmada @ Dec 28 2009, 03:21 PM) anyone knows approximately when the next dividend payout will be announced? 3rd interim should be in march. |
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Dec 29 2009, 10:40 PM
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QUOTE(klguy80 @ Dec 3 2009, 04:51 PM) MBB Research for your reading pleasure. How you all obtain this equity research report? |
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Dec 30 2009, 05:23 PM
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Dato VT share buyback BJTOTO again.
Bought 1,550,000 shares on 21/12. Total number of shares retained in tressury increased again, now at 12,580,072 shares. |
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Dec 30 2009, 08:45 PM
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VT and BJland has to maintained their combined shareholdings to more than 50% to enable him and his group of companies to sustained the lifeline during difficult economic situation or boomtime, to wardoff any raiders. Put it this way Bjtoto is the jewel of the crown in VT's group of companies. So all those craps about the fund managers target and sell call are just smokescreen for them to get the kucing kurap to sell and VT and funds would buy when the price soften.
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Dec 30 2009, 09:27 PM
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QUOTE(alenac @ Dec 30 2009, 08:45 AM) VT and BJland has to maintained their combined shareholdings to more than 50% to enable him and his group of companies to sustained the lifeline during difficult economic situation or boomtime, to wardoff any raiders. Put it this way Bjtoto is the jewel of the crown in VT's group of companies. So all those craps about the fund managers target and sell call are just smokescreen for them to get the kucing kurap to sell and VT and funds would buy when the price soften. You mean to say they are working hand in hand. |
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Dec 30 2009, 10:40 PM
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Well, make ur own conclusion from the price movement upwards since the buy back.
As such, swimming with the sharks are equally dangerous. Let's watch what's the target price b4 it moves sideway. Or will it move to RM 5.00 by CNY in tandem with increase toto jackpot, just need one of the three jackpots moving above 20mill to achieved this. This post has been edited by alenac: Dec 30 2009, 10:47 PM |
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Dec 31 2009, 03:15 AM
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QUOTE(alenac @ Dec 30 2009, 10:40 AM) Well, make ur own conclusion from the price movement upwards since the buy back. Previously when the jackpot went to 20 mil, sales per draw was 2 - 3 mil. As such, swimming with the sharks are equally dangerous. Let's watch what's the target price b4 it moves sideway. Or will it move to RM 5.00 by CNY in tandem with increase toto jackpot, just need one of the three jackpots moving above 20mill to achieved this. So far jackpot is increasing by about 1 mil every week, if no one strikes in the next six weeks, the jackpot should be at least 16 mil before CNY. Can it go as high as 20 mil in 6 weeks? Chances are good , since the amount will increase faster the higher the jackpot. This post has been edited by calmwater: Dec 31 2009, 03:48 AM |
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Dec 31 2009, 08:39 AM
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QUOTE(calmwater @ Dec 31 2009, 03:15 AM) Previously when the jackpot went to 20 mil, sales per draw was 2 - 3 mil. I have no experience in buying TOTO, however, logics seems to dictate that people get more greedy as the jackpot increases. So far jackpot is increasing by about 1 mil every week, if no one strikes in the next six weeks, the jackpot should be at least 16 mil before CNY. Can it go as high as 20 mil in 6 weeks? Chances are good , since the amount will increase faster the higher the jackpot. By the way, any kind souls out there who can do some historical correlation charts on striking of jackpot vs BJTOTO share price. |
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Dec 31 2009, 05:59 PM
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Look at 30th and 31st Dec 2009, there was no buy back (at the moment of writing no announcement) but price is sustained at 4.35. Is the funds supporting or VT personally buy back which will be announced later as a substantial shareholders? Where are those targets and revision downwards by maybank sell call? Furthermore jan and feb 2010 CNY season,i.e fatt choi time dun u think those gamblers out there will go all out to buy for good luck.
Remember also with the new year, funds are rearranging their portfolios and looking for profit opportunities and replenishing their stocks. Normally stocks are bullish till chinese new year. This post has been edited by alenac: Dec 31 2009, 06:03 PM |
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Dec 31 2009, 09:13 PM
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QUOTE(alenac @ Dec 31 2009, 05:59 AM) Look at 30th and 31st Dec 2009, there was no buy back (at the moment of writing no announcement) but price is sustained at 4.35. Is the funds supporting or VT personally buy back which will be announced later as a substantial shareholders? Where are those targets and revision downwards by maybank sell call? Furthermore jan and feb 2010 CNY season,i.e fatt choi time dun u think those gamblers out there will go all out to buy for good luck. Remember also with the new year, funds are rearranging their portfolios and looking for profit opportunities and replenishing their stocks. Normally stocks are bullish till chinese new year. I am holding my BTOTO stocks tightly. This post has been edited by calmwater: Dec 31 2009, 09:26 PM |
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Jan 2 2010, 05:50 AM
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QUOTE(calmwater @ Dec 31 2009, 09:13 PM) I am holding my BTOTO stocks tightly. |
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Jan 2 2010, 09:34 AM
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QUOTE(Soulsareworthless @ Jan 2 2010, 06:50 AM) You got a tp? I'm been holding mine since 2008 CNY. What is your entry price? |
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Jan 3 2010, 06:51 AM
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Jan 2 2010, 09:34 AM) What is your entry price? RM4.56. |
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Jan 3 2010, 09:13 PM
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QUOTE(Soulsareworthless @ Jan 1 2010, 05:50 PM) You got a tp? I'm been holding mine since 2008 CNY. Was hoping Lotto 6/55 will snowball to 20 mil for CNY, but alas the bubble already burst, someone hit the jackpot.Still I believe the stock is in for an upward run as the betting season is going to be in full gear and BTOTO has not declared a div for two quarters in a row. Share buy backs are looking good. I believe as the next quarter reporting date approaches (Early March), the stock price could go to at least about 4.50 or so. Hopefully higher than that. There are some recent moves I don't quite understand, like planning to buy a Makati Hotel in Phillipines. Are they wanting to set up a casino or what? |
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Jan 5 2010, 05:53 PM
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Tuesday, 5 Jan 2010
5:22PM HOTEL RESORT ENTERPRISE SDN BHD (2,627,963 Shares Transacted) 5:22PM BERJAYA GROUP BERHAD (1,077,963 Shares Disposed) 5:22PM TAN SRI DATO' SERI VINCENT TAN CHEE YIOUN (2,627,963 Shares Transacted) 5:22PM BERJAYA CORPORATION BERHAD (2,627,963 Shares Transacted) 5:22PM BERJAYA LAND BERHAD (1,077,963 Shares Disposed) 5:22PM TERAS MEWAH SDN BHD (1,077,963 Shares Disposed) 5:22PM JUARA SEJATI SDN BHD (1,077,963 Shares Disposed) ============ Just want to ask... How come the transacted figures are so nice looking ? This post has been edited by whizzer: Jan 5 2010, 05:55 PM |
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Jan 5 2010, 11:40 PM
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There are some shares sold and puchased i.e transacted within the group and the ultimate owner is VT himself, all linked. That's what we called "goreng" lah.
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Jan 6 2010, 01:55 AM
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QUOTE(alenac @ Jan 5 2010, 11:40 AM) There are some shares sold and puchased i.e transacted within the group and the ultimate owner is VT himself, all linked. That's what we called "goreng" lah. You mean to say passing the ball around by the same team players |
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Jan 6 2010, 11:54 AM
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Wow BJTOTO 4.42 sudah!!!
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Jan 6 2010, 11:11 PM
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Jan 6 2010, 11:54 AM) Wow BJTOTO 4.42 sudah!!! Now regretted dumping it for YTLp bor..... jk la know you are YTLp fans ... |
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Jan 6 2010, 11:45 PM
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QUOTE(protonw @ Jan 6 2010, 11:11 PM) Now regretted dumping it for YTLp bor..... Wah... teasing others arh... jk la know you are YTLp fans ... |
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Jan 7 2010, 12:57 AM
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Jan 6 2010, 11:54 AM) Wow BJTOTO 4.42 sudah!!! Deep down it must be hurting pretty badly |
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Jan 7 2010, 04:50 AM
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Wow, Toto really going strong.
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Jan 7 2010, 06:54 AM
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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Jan 7 2010, 12:57 AM) Deep down it must be hurting pretty badly shih....... Hope his (and mine) YTLp quickly move..... I am happy for its divvy as well. So far collected 3 times dee.BJ toto awaiting its first dividend from it, wait till neck also long as VT given all in the previous one.... without telling me. |
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Jan 7 2010, 08:05 AM
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QUOTE(protonw @ Jan 7 2010, 12:11 AM) Now regretted dumping it for YTLp bor..... Frankly speaking totally no as VT personality you know lar....kind of feeling relax after dumping my bjtoto.... jk la know you are YTLp fans ... Told you frankly the biggest regret for me was dumping my axreit at RM 1.20 WHICH I bought at RM 1.00.... At that time i dump axreit for no reason.I won do this type of mistake again My stupid reason to dump axreit is profit taking at that time....Reminded me on my old wounds again At least for bjtoto i have my reason to dump it so no regret at all... My TP for bjtoto still maintain 3.80Added on January 7, 2010, 8:09 am QUOTE(protonw @ Jan 7 2010, 07:54 AM) shih....... Hope his (and mine) YTLp quickly move..... I am happy for its divvy as well. So far collected 3 times dee. Thats y i said bjtoto don have the power to give out dividend in the near future....so no need to wait at the moment as i check it out already before i dump it BJ toto awaiting its first dividend from it, wait till neck also long as VT given all in the previous one.... without telling me. Whereas for my YTLP i can at least receive 5k plus of dividend cheque every 3 months... which i can used to buy up other counters every 3 months... I can say the share price fluctuation is being manipulated by this VT so for me it is quite safe to buy at RM 3.80 if not i would rather don touch bjtoto at all This post has been edited by darkknight81: Jan 7 2010, 08:22 AM |
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Jan 7 2010, 08:06 PM
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Any dividend to declare for next Q ? Bought 1000 share at rm 4.39 yesterday.
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Jan 7 2010, 10:27 PM
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QUOTE(BrendaChee @ Jan 7 2010, 08:06 PM) Any dividend to declare for next Q ? Bought 1000 share at rm 4.39 yesterday. This one depends on VT, whether his other company needs money or not. Personally, I think there should be dividend this coming March 2010 because Dec 2009 didn't give any. |
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Jan 7 2010, 11:36 PM
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Jan 7 2010, 08:05 AM) Frankly speaking totally no as VT personality you know lar....kind of feeling relax after dumping my bjtoto.... Told you frankly the biggest regret for me was dumping my axreit at RM 1.20 WHICH I bought at RM 1.00.... At that time i dump axreit for no reason.I won do this type of mistake again My stupid reason to dump axreit is profit taking at that time....Reminded me on my old wounds again At least for bjtoto i have my reason to dump it so no regret at all... My TP for bjtoto still maintain 3.80Added on January 7, 2010, 8:09 am Thats y i said bjtoto don have the power to give out dividend in the near future....so no need to wait at the moment as i check it out already before i dump it Whereas for my YTLP i can at least receive 5k plus of dividend cheque every 3 months... which i can used to buy up other counters every 3 months... I can say the share price fluctuation is being manipulated by this VT so for me it is quite safe to buy at RM 3.80 if not i would rather don touch bjtoto at all I also like YTLp more than toto...... Two different captain handling the ship.May let go bj toto later. |
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Jan 8 2010, 12:41 AM
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Since VT is so bad...what u guys think for the IPO for Berjaya Retail this year?
Fall below ipo price? |
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Jan 8 2010, 01:10 AM
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not much faith in Berjaya Retail's basket of businesses, haven't done any research on them, just my perception, no offense
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Jan 8 2010, 08:26 AM
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QUOTE(protonw @ Jan 8 2010, 12:36 AM) I also like YTLp more than toto...... Two different captain handling the ship.May let go bj toto later. This post has been edited by darkknight81: Jan 8 2010, 08:27 AM |
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Jan 8 2010, 01:46 PM
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Jan 8 2010, 08:26 AM) Don get me wrong . BJTOTO is a good ship and i can say its provides much more greater growth compare with YTLP just that I am having problem with the captain only as i don know what he is up to I dont fell like joining VT's parties. He is too slippery. |
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Jan 8 2010, 01:51 PM
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QUOTE(protonw @ Jan 8 2010, 02:46 PM) I dont fell like joining VT's parties. He is too slippery. Yup thats what i meant unless the share price really selling at cheap bargain |
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Jan 8 2010, 06:04 PM
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Ok from my analysis of VT and his group of companies today's disclosure, the impact is positive on the share price as his group is a net buyer till 6.1.10 proving support to help sustained the current price.
1562 BJTOTO BERJAYA SPORTS TOTO BHD Changes in Sub. S-hldr's Int. (29B) Particulars of Shareholder 36 Name : TAN SRI DATO' SERI VINCENT TAN CHEE YIOUN NRIC/Passport No./Company No. : 520223-01-5779 Nationality/Country of Incorporation : Malaysian Address: 28 Jalan Bukit Seputeh, Seputeh Heights, Taman Seputeh, 58000 Kuala Lumpur Descriptions (Class and Nominal Value): Ordinary shares of RM0.10 each Name and Address of Registered Holder: You are advised to read the full contents of the announcement or attachment at http://www.bursamalaysia.com. Details of Changes Date of Notice : 06/01/2010 Transactions: No. Date Transaction Type No of Shares Price (RM) 1. 04/01/2010 Acquired 84,300 - 2. 05/01/2010 Acquired 739,400 - 3. 05/01/2010 Disposed 800,000 - 4. 06/01/2010 Acquired 1,213,200 - 5. 06/01/2010 Disposed 451,900 - 6. 06/01/2010 Disposed 203,000 - Circumstances by reason of which change has occurred: You are advised to read the full contents of the announcement or attachment at http://www.bursamalaysia.com. Nature of Interest: Deemed Interests Consideration: No of Shares Held After Changes: Direct : 54,395,567 shares (4.0670%) Indirect/Deemed Interest : 657,092,003 shares (49.1280%) Total : 711,487,570 shares Remarks: You are advised to read the full contents of the announcement or attachment at http://www.bursamalaysia.com. Submitted By: SU SWEE HONG 08/01/2010 05:18 PM Ref Code: 20100108CI00071 |
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Jan 15 2010, 05:29 PM
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Lately there are alot of disposing activity on Bjtoto shares, which involved Teras Mewah Sdn Bhd, Hotel Resort Enterprise, Berjaya Corp, Berjaya Land, and VT himself.
what is cooking? |
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Jan 15 2010, 05:58 PM
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when will be the next dividend? Although i am holding only 1000 share but i am eager to get the dividend.
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Jan 15 2010, 09:22 PM
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What is this guy cooking by selling and buying via another company. Short of cash ah.
http://announcements.bursamalaysia.com/EDM...CE?OpenDocument http://announcements.bursamalaysia.com/EDM...C2?OpenDocument |
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Jan 15 2010, 09:28 PM
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jan 15 2010, 05:29 PM) Lately there are alot of disposing activity on Bjtoto shares, which involved Teras Mewah Sdn Bhd, Hotel Resort Enterprise, Berjaya Corp, Berjaya Land, and VT himself. He goreng own shares so that he can make some coffee money what is cooking? |
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Jan 15 2010, 09:31 PM
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Haha.. Tan Sri Vincent Tan.. After Berjaya Toto lend RM4billion to the loss making f & b and leisure group.. dunno still can trust this director or not.
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Jan 15 2010, 09:33 PM
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Angpau money for VT, heheheheh! But seriously, BJtoto, must crossed RM4.38 convincingly b4 moving above RM4.50.
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Jan 15 2010, 09:55 PM
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QUOTE(motolola @ Jan 8 2010, 01:10 AM) not much faith in Berjaya Retail's basket of businesses, haven't done any research on them, just my perception, no offense i don't bother to look at it, their retail/ convenient shop face head on competition from other group, each 7-11 have another brand tailing side by side/ opposite/ neighbor. i never walk in to 7-11 for year as i can get the same thing at few step away with 20-50% discount QUOTE(alenac @ Jan 8 2010, 06:04 PM) Name : TAN SRI DATO' SERI VINCENT TAN CHEE YIOUN wou.......his address........ NRIC/Passport No./Company No. : 520223-01-5779 Nationality/Country of Incorporation : Malaysian Address: 28 Jalan Bukit Seputeh, Seputeh Heights, Taman Seputeh, 58000 Kuala Lumpur[ looks like those "bad guy " can browse tru bursma web site to get the super rich's address QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jan 15 2010, 05:29 PM) Lately there are alot of disposing activity on Bjtoto shares, which involved Teras Mewah Sdn Bhd, Hotel Resort Enterprise, Berjaya Corp, Berjaya Land, and VT himself. VT and his group try to goreng the share price so that it look nice to the investor, otherwise market all up he no face mar what is cooking? and make some $$This post has been edited by APPA: Jan 15 2010, 09:58 PM |
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Jan 15 2010, 10:16 PM
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lol let's go to his house tomorrow
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Jan 17 2010, 08:47 PM
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jan 15 2010, 05:29 PM) Lately there are alot of disposing activity on Bjtoto shares, which involved Teras Mewah Sdn Bhd, Hotel Resort Enterprise, Berjaya Corp, Berjaya Land, and VT himself. if you look properly, VT is buying more than sell. Something must be brewing in BJ TOTO. 4d license in Vietnam?what is cooking? |
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Jan 17 2010, 11:56 PM
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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Jan 15 2010, 10:16 PM) lol let's go to his house tomorrow Doesnt looks like his house address.. if you look at the satellite image from google maps, the address is pointing to some terrace houses. |
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Jan 18 2010, 12:51 AM
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QUOTE(Brotherjoe @ Jan 17 2010, 11:56 PM) Doesnt looks like his house address.. if you look at the satellite image from google maps, the address is pointing to some terrace houses. no idea i tried google maps cannot find actually.... nevertheless nearby there got reserve forest in there got 1 access road go into a private residence which is very huge I guess that's the place |
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Jan 18 2010, 02:18 AM
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QUOTE(Brotherjoe @ Jan 17 2010, 11:56 PM) Doesnt looks like his house address.. if you look at the satellite image from google maps, the address is pointing to some terrace houses. QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Jan 18 2010, 12:51 AM) no idea i tried google maps cannot find actually.... nevertheless nearby there got reserve forest in there got 1 access road go into a private residence which is very huge I guess that's the place use wikimapia u can find the place, the one with helipad is the place kua This post has been edited by APPA: Jan 18 2010, 02:19 AM |
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Jan 18 2010, 10:13 PM
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2,216 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: Ipoh/Penang/PJ/Melaka
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If thats the place.. lets go visit him on CNY..
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Jan 19 2010, 01:24 PM
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QUOTE(alphayou @ Jan 17 2010, 09:47 PM) if you look properly, VT is buying more than sell. Something must be brewing in BJ TOTO. 4d license in Vietnam? That is not the major concern... As a director you should not spend time on trading your own company shares...... |
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Jan 19 2010, 06:07 PM
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hi all. i have a question about their warrant BJTOTO-CD, can any sifu here help me about this?
List Date: 22-01-2009 List Price: RM0.2450 Expiry Date: 19-07-2010 Exercise Price: RM4.3867 Conversion Ratio: 3.73 Warrant Type: American Style let's said we buy a 10000 unit of BJTOTO-CD and then how are we going to exercise the warrant when the expire date? |
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Jan 19 2010, 06:15 PM
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491 posts Joined: Jan 2005
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I think this warrant is not issued by Bjtoto. Probably Merchant Bank, which one i dun know. if expired will compensate u bet exercise price and last day market price and divide by 3.73. if market price below exercise price u get nothing.
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Jan 19 2010, 06:32 PM
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ya, this is issued by merchant bank indeed.
u mean 10000/3.73 = 2680 so we can exercise(buy) the bjtoto with 2680 unit in RM4.3867 ? |
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Jan 19 2010, 06:43 PM
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QUOTE(alanlai12345 @ Jan 19 2010, 06:32 PM) ya, this is issued by merchant bank indeed. No, normally they just pay you the difference if any. Then if you want to buy, you have to buy from the open market.u mean 10000/3.73 = 2680 so we can exercise(buy) the bjtoto with 2680 unit in RM4.3867 ? |
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Jan 19 2010, 06:48 PM
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QUOTE(htt @ Jan 19 2010, 06:43 PM) No, normally they just pay you the difference if any. Then if you want to buy, you have to buy from the open market. can you show me the calculation briefly?i'm totally out with this. |
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Jan 19 2010, 07:14 PM
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QUOTE(alanlai12345 @ Jan 19 2010, 06:48 PM) can you show me the calculation briefly?i'm totally out with this. Diff = 4.5-4.3867=0.1133 So if buy 10,000 unit. They pay you 10,000*0.1133/3.73=RM303.75 Lower than 4.3867 => nothing. |
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Jan 19 2010, 08:03 PM
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QUOTE(htt @ Jan 19 2010, 07:14 PM) If at exercise date. Market price closed at RM4.5. oo....very thanks Diff = 4.5-4.3867=0.1133 So if buy 10,000 unit. They pay you 10,000*0.1133/3.73=RM303.75 Lower than 4.3867 => nothing. so, the fee for buying the warrant will be exactly same with normal transaction? (eg. stamp duty, broker fee,clearing fee) |
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Jan 19 2010, 08:58 PM
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QUOTE(alanlai12345 @ Jan 19 2010, 08:03 PM) oo....very thanks Yes. so, the fee for buying the warrant will be exactly same with normal transaction? (eg. stamp duty, broker fee,clearing fee) |
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Jan 19 2010, 09:03 PM
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QUOTE(htt @ Jan 19 2010, 07:14 AM) If at exercise date. Market price closed at RM4.5. Errr..... Don't you have to consider theDiff = 4.5-4.3867=0.1133 So if buy 10,000 unit. They pay you 10,000*0.1133/3.73=RM303.75 Lower than 4.3867 => nothing. List Price: RM0.2450 |
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Jan 19 2010, 09:32 PM
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QUOTE(calmwater @ Jan 19 2010, 09:03 PM) Errr..... Don't you have to consider the Hehe... all consider as time premium...List Price: RM0.2450 Don't worry, your IB will chase you if you don't pay after purchase Personally, I don't touch warrant... Kiasi... |
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Jan 20 2010, 08:04 PM
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Today b4 closing BJtoto leaped up to RM4.37. Just wondering whether VT supporting it or funds buying in replenishing its portfolio? Next few days KLSE disclosure will reveal ongoing.
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Jan 20 2010, 08:17 PM
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when will be bjtoto next dividend? I am very eager to know the amount.
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Jan 20 2010, 08:41 PM
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QUOTE(alenac @ Jan 20 2010, 08:04 AM) Today b4 closing BJtoto leaped up to RM4.37. Just wondering whether VT supporting it or funds buying in replenishing its portfolio? Next few days KLSE disclosure will reveal ongoing. Looks more like the move of a Cheetah (VT). |
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Jan 20 2010, 10:53 PM
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491 posts Joined: Jan 2005
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Next Dividend probably in March 01, as they skipped the div in the last quarter results.
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Jan 22 2010, 04:03 PM
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QUOTE(alenac @ Jan 20 2010, 10:53 PM) Next Dividend probably in March 01, as they skipped the div in the last quarter results. down to 4:25, picking up now.... |
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