talk about those who are here and there but not really there or here,vaguely stuck in the middle.

i dont mind this,if everybody are willing to play nice and dont attempt to click "Create New Account", and multiply themselves with different names.

agreed..i emphasized this awhile back.

what do you mean by ours? whats your period?

This post has been edited by nimrod323: Jul 4 2009, 06:36 PM

haha i guessed as much lol missed the period one! her rants that is

no point putting this up,they wont bother reading it and hence the ignorance.

what are you talking about? Leo is an important character without him, there wouldnt be a conspiracy site that operates to divulge secrets about the alien incursion 2 years back and also his relationship with Simmons wouldnt have formed. How would Sam have found Simmons otherwise? Its very easy to nitpick but please remember the fundamental aspect with the TF galaxy, its aliens transforming into everyday human vehicles,thats why they are called robot in disguise? Without human interaction its simply detached,the next so called hardcore fan who wants to disagree with me can go and watch G1 tv series/Marvel comic/Manga versions and also any current literature. Dont bring up the crap hardcore fans would agree with you, most of the times someone says that and nitpick and when some of us show them where they are wrong,they'll just act indifferent and go on telling people how the movie is horrible or otherwise call you a M.BAY fan, no offense to you. The point axzel made is clear even without much human interaction and more screentime for the TFs it'll still be more than 2 hours, and i dont think the TF's need that amount of screentime because they have already been thoroughly described in G1,novels,comic books,cartoon series for over 20 odd years, you dont need repetition unless you were living under a rock for all these years and all of a sudden became defensieve because the movie didn't honor something you barely remember watching when you were three, and those who have been following Tf universe for that long(True Blooded Fans), would know that in every adaptation there will be those robots in huge numbers with no name nor background dying in fights which we called kelefei, same goes with the first movie where Megatron killed that unknown TFs in cybertron.


Why would i wanna know who they are,what were their occupation before being killed cold blooded by Megatron. I dont see nobody complaining about any random orc killed in LOTR Return of The King with no screen-time depicting his likes,dislikes,his aspirations among other things.

Update: 10 days at box office and already breaking most of the records

Domestic: $268,737,000 {52.8%} + Foreign: $240,178,819 {47.2%} = Worldwide: $508,915,819

Seems the release of Public Enemies or Ice Age 3 is not affecting its earning either.

This post has been edited by nimrod323: Jul 5 2009, 11:39 PM

oh and how come when in Narnia 2, azlan only came back at the end of the movie to save the Narnians from the Telmarines? If he had come earlier there would be no need for Prince Caspian to call the kings and queens of olds to come and help the Narnians out of the eminent attack of the Telmarines, and plus there would be no need for the narnians to do a surprise attack at the telmarines castle and get manslaughtered in the process? Why did lucy didnt go find Azlan in the first place? Why didnt that giant river monster or those walking trees help the Narnians at the beginning of the story itself? Why didnt Peter Parker told the scientist that he was bitten by the radioactive spider and get cured immediately? Wouldnt that have prevented Uncle Ben from being killed by the Sandman? Why did the Sandman end up hiding in an experimental area despite seeing the sign that its an experimental area? Dont tell me he cant read,thats utter bullshit. How did those guys escape from the city in AVP2,wouldnt the Nuke Blast radiation disintegrate the flimsy chopper? How did they survive when most of the people in Nagasaki and Hiroshima were killed 50 -60Km from the impact zone after being hit by the bombs. I can go and on and on and on, these are just some of the questions that i could pose if i choose to not follow what the scriptwriters or the original author's idea of a story, you just have to understand this every story is based on an augmented version of reality, things happen for a reason, maybe Peter was afraid he'd be locked up and made into a science experiment or that could be it? Thats my version of it,yours is different but that doesnt mean yours or mine is superior ultimately you have to accept the idea as it is,you can judge it to the cows come home but theres no way you can change a piece of work according to your way.

how real can you get? I dont think you get it,there are so many versions of Transformers that there are so many different fans that follow each alterations,so in order to be a true fan you have to follow every single one and own every single piece work or have read it at least once,and there are tons of books,comics,series,toys among other things that has span across 20+ years. What choice has bay has? recreate which version? if he chose one version or the other he'll be bashed by fans of other TF universes, so its only sensible to come up with a new universe (this practice has been utilized by the japanese manga,Marvel UK,Marvel US,Dreamworks,IDW), that incorporates some of each of all the TF alteration. I have people here harping about being a true TF fan with no inkling of any other works apart from G1, how does that make you a true fan? Even if you have been following G1 like you say do,you never really know much of the gist of it all,pretty much some of the ideas are there in the movie you should just look closely.

why cant it happen in the way the writers wanted it to be? so you are saying your version will be wildly accepted with no opposing view? Like i said a piece of work is a piece of work regardless of opposing view. Why are you so judgemental of this movie when every story that has ever been told in this world could have been also have a differently told? Titanic should have been about the ship and the crew instead we get Leonardo and Kate romancing away,the story could have just focused on those poor families there have to resort staying in the bottom decks and as a result died because of the imprisonment by the rich who wanted to save their ass while fleeing off the godforsaken boat. My question is would you have wanted it any other way when it comes to a movie you trully admire? its easy to say something would have been better said a different way just because the original story didnt interest you as much, what about those story that you like? Would you agree if it was told in another way to the extent it changes your original perception of the movie?

Okay im all for not repaeating answers for similar questions.

why isnt it necessary just because you cant add essence to your argument and have 2 liner comments doent make your argument valid either,you were talking about how this story could have cut corners and avoided this things:



And added the following on how the movie could be told in a different way:



I said similar things using different movies as an example and i presented how it could have been made differently and posted my arguments in a similar fashion as you. And also justified why spidey could have avoided telling the scientist about his pridicament thats my way of telling the story.

I still dont think i have failed in this aspect,not just yet. I'm merely saying that when it comes to something you dont like,you would wanna change it but when something is right, you wouldnt want it to be told differently as it'll affect your previous perception of it. I could clearly see alot of people not liking it from the first one but cmon nitpicking isnt valid either, and again you clearly cant digest my explanations and analogies that debunk your theory or perception,im okay with that.

Err thats the thing this premises has been filled with human interaction from the start and has significant amounts of it in previous works for over 20+ years, Spike,Buster, Sparkplug, Daniel have been an integral part of the first movie,G1 series and other works like novels and stuff, even the army as well as the government factions, all im saying is that if you wanted something with less human interaction in it, then pay attention to the past work that only depict Cybertron and its inhabitants as well as the quintessons, primus and unicrons as well as other factions in cybertrons like the predacons. The movie basically depicts the story to have a earth setting similar in fashion with the time the TFs in all other works land on earth and even in those universes there are so many human interactions and they also become an integral part of the story being characters that help both factions of the TFs.

This post has been edited by nimrod323: Jul 6 2009, 03:19 PM

Again, it is meant to honor all previous works if not why bother,inserting Space bridge from TF:War Within, Pretenders from G1, AllSpark from Beastwars,The matrix of Leadership from marvel and the first animated movie, i could go on and on,there s so much in this story that derives from so many places. It is your own opinion that the movie sucked big time,bohoo you want to b**** about it go ahead, but dont try to make it a notion even "true" fans or anyone whos not a so called "true" fan would share the same perspective thats just your way of thinking dont expect the vast majority of those who contributed to the massive Worldwide: $591,459,000 earning in a short period of 12 days,to share the same view as you do thats just plain arrogant to think they would perceive the same way you do.

cant you read? im making a point that this whole premises has a lot of human interaction from the very beginning in the majority of its adaptation, how do you go against that and truncate that important part of the whole TF universe? and i also said, if you wanted to have less human interaction go ahead and read the previous works that have been based on the TF with little,less or no humans element present in those works. Its very easy isnt it? and i also said that this movie has been based on earth as its setting and naturally the humans get more screen time since they are the inhabitants of earth rather then the small number of TFs that descended on earth, its already been established the autobots are protecting the human race from the evil decepticons from the beginning of this movie adaptation, its an unavoidable fact that in every movie that has aliens coming down earth its the humans who get more screen time, same goes with the likes of Independance day, War of the World, Predator, Alien Vs Predator. They all share one common theme and setting which is earth and its subject matter,the humans and also more screen time to depict the human drama/victimization/perseverance.

I felt in this movie the depiction of the TFs and humans are somewhat balanced in the area of 40/60. I liked the interaction between Megatron and Starscream and also between Megatron and The Fallen and also Jetfire with Sam,Optimus with Sam, Bumblebee with Sam(Verbal or non verbal), The Twins with hmm everybody else? and Soundwave to the rest of decepticon. I felt the decepticons lines were more prevalent since its about their revenge anyways. The first movie for me was about the humans for the most part,the transformers are far apart and they share a longer screen time towards the end.

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Added on July 6, 2009, 3:58 pmwhat? suddenly you are playing the personal attack game on me? really mature. At least i dont ask people to gang up and bash your postings eventhough they are weak and pointless and your distorted view of how it could have been better, reminds me of a kid who cant fight his own fight and resort to calling his friends for backups,vice versa how old are you then?


This post has been edited by nimrod323: Jul 6 2009, 03:58 PM

Dude really, i know saying stuff on the internet and later claiming it to be something irrelevant and not responsible for it is really a norm but please do you want me to dissect and analyze word by word of what you said earlier? And how is it when i can clearly see what you are doing and answer it make me childish? how does it make one childish when he or she point the obvious? You were mooting a general consensus by asking members here whether they can see how i post the way you do, which in a sense inviting members to join the bandwagon or consensus that you conjured up that entails my debating skills to be a little flawed just be referring to the way i answer others, how sure are you this is not an open invitation to a flaming war? I'm not even the least bit angry with you nor did i use any derogatory terms that refers to you that may indicate that im angry, seriously how could you again speculate that i'm angry over you(whos some random person on the internet that i could care less about) and again fortify that speculation by saying its not worth to be angry over someone over the internet?

This post has been edited by nimrod323: Jul 6 2009, 04:31 PM

talk about timing? wow here it is again another dude who calls others bayfans for defending a movie which he initially liked and gave a 3star award overall out of 4 and later claiming it to be utter rubbish? Here it is again the biggest hypocrite among our midst.





dilly daly is all you do dont you n00B13? i figured as much

So wait i'm a snob for assuming this? Despite you saying all this things about me:



And how is it when i can clearly see what you are doing and answer it make me childish? how does it make one childish when he or she point the obvious? You were mooting a general consensus by asking members here whether they can see how i post the way you do, which in a sense inviting members to join the bandwagon or consensus that you conjured up that entails my debating skills to be a little flawed just be referring to the way i answer others, how sure are you this is not an open invitation to a flaming war? I'm not even the least bit angry with you nor did i use any derogatory terms that refers to you that may indicate that im angry, seriously how could you again speculate that i'm angry over you(whos some random person on the internet that i could care less about) and again fortify that speculation by saying its not worth to be angry over someone over the internet?

asking for an opinion on something that you perceive isnt an act to solidify what you mean? How is that so ? arent you the one who made and perceived a notion that my debating skills are flawed? and now you are asking me to take the opinion or perception that you seem to conclude of my way of debating as a final product that has already gotten its final seal of approval as a criticism? Hey i would know simply because posting here and defending a movie that you truly liked despite its negligible or inconsequential details, will get you flamed with titles like bayfan look up n00b13's post for a hint. Oh and now here we go again with "you tried to sound intelligent", heres another opinion that you seem to conjure out of nowhere? so posting about a movie i found interesting and defending myself against your remarks make me into someone "who tries so hard to sound intelligent", i like how you intelligently try to paint names on myself as "immature","trying to act intelligent" and a "snob". So assuming im unintelligent (in your perspective since im trying to sound intelligent),the bolded phrase above is in my opinion a kindergarden boy calling another " eh,dont try to act smart ah,im smart you stupid,so what i say about you,is God's say".

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Added on July 6, 2009, 5:21 pmtrying hard to make a movie look bad and quoting star wars to the fray dont mix either, same goes with constantly b****ing about it

This post has been edited by nimrod323: Jul 6 2009, 05:26 PM

wow bravo, you managed to make an assumption and canonized it and say that, its fairly easy how your assumption is evident and valid? and again assumed the majority think the same way you do and assumed i'd agree to that distorted opinion, arent you a snob? haha its funny how one can paint someone a snob and assume the person's he is referring to,will embody his criticisms. I think you are just hard pressed to victimize me,im sorry that im not intelligent enough to fall for that trick or frustrated you in the process that you have to bring in the majority into the fray to supplement your argument. I dont need the majority to see what you are doing neither do i like you,need them to agree to or solidify my points or criticisms. I'll not bother with your silly antics this point onwards, calling names is so mature in your regards.

This post has been edited by nimrod323: Jul 6 2009, 06:08 PM

and you say you dont bring the majority in just because? you are doing it again by bringing them up, so in other words you are saying that others cant see that you are trying to implicate them into the fair justifying your accusations and canonizing them in the process what type of silly thing is that, you cant even see what you are doing and say im blind. Its such a blatant display of herding people in,and speaking for the majority as if you are the shepherd,oh wait no way you'd never admit to that.

Here we go again with another assumption,just because i said i wont give any face to your silly antics you are assuming i'm throwing in the towel and make you right with all your assumption? It takes both sides to make a thread digress to another direction all together but oh no you are too noble to admit to that. Wait,i called names at your points,but you didnt just discredit my points but you up the ante and called me a snob,trying hard to sound intelligent and immature,if thats not an attempt to discredit me and my opinions i dont know what is. oh for the record i have been here for the longest time,i wont wriggle away for some guy on the internet that has an array of silly antics targeted at me, oh did i use your logic back at you?dont be angry just take a cup of tea and relax aight?

This post has been edited by nimrod323: Jul 6 2009, 06:43 PM

guilty as accused i'll comply Yoda!