thats the thing man,so many different version with different storyline they even have alternate storylines for US,Japan and UK. pheww,good luck on understanding em all.

i watched a third time at tgv,my verdict they cut quite a lot of footage.

duh, i said why quote a guy who know nuts about TF as to supplement your biasness towards the movie? next time bold the whole thing and read as it is presented to you.

dude this movie is based on a extensive literature that spans over comic books,novels and also cartoon series, hey werent you the guy that said the humans have no role in the G1 series? what,now you are changing camps all of a sudden? just because i could justify it with facts with past work and you cant,that doesnt warrant you to say im spending money on junk. Some of us actually spend our money on toys,comics and novels because we are true blue fans how does it make em junk? The movie has obvious references on the past literature,you just need to know where to look, its not like a story that came up from some random writer's head to stand on its own. Its based on a franchise that has been around for years of course it has to relate to that and it did in many instances. What do you mean the "rest of us" if i were to do a calculation of the number of positive comments and negative comments of this movie,your "us" is just but a small number.

hmm wait to make my comments above more stingging i'll show you how you flip flops in your commentary.



wow you gotta wonder werent those past literature? arent those junk too? first you base your comments on a past work and say its not the same now you say its junk and irrelevant,wow you can really change your stance that fast.





hmm you like it but you dont like it now,flip flop again.


This post has been edited by nimrod323: Jun 30 2009, 01:29 PM

i think so too,cause when the projectile hit him and he fell to the ground,blood was everywhere behind his body. They sort of used their powers to heal him up,sort of like how wolverine heals after an intense fight.

they are just trying to make you conform to their ideals, till you agree to their statements they'll come after you like no tomorrow, i see repetitive statements over and over again.

that could be a probability too,i wanna see defensor and the protector bots take on Devastator's constructicon. Heres a trivia some of the bots in ROTF, at the desert was created by Starscream that explains them being identical to some of the constructicon and also shows how they took on similar forms as the original cons,due to cloning perhaps? as witnessed at the Nemessis on one of Jupiter's moons.

I would also wanna see, Grimlock and Ultramagnus in the next movie.

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Added on June 30, 2009, 4:41 pmand after i proved you are a hypocrite, you trying to shift the blame on something else typical hater.

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Added on June 30, 2009, 4:44 pmI recall one that talked about it, as if he made the whole cartoon series by himself and then resoting too say that its junk and the movie should be self explanatory.


This post has been edited by nimrod323: Jun 30 2009, 04:44 PM

yeah Spike Witwicky controlled Fortress Maximus to save his brother buster. its one of the series of im not mistaken. It was also in the animated movie, used by daniel.

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Added on June 30, 2009, 11:50 pmthey did didnt they? Jetfire and the other that wheelie projected on the map. Those are the seekers


This post has been edited by nimrod323: Jun 30 2009, 11:50 PM

i remember now its the marvel TF, Galen Kord who was Fortress's binary partner and he gave the power over to Spike.yeah it was Fortress who blasted shockwave,but he didnt get to save buster at the first try only later on after optimus was ressurected.

haha nope just gotten my hands on IDW's War Within series. Will find that one and read it. I like the fact there are some elements in this movie that is taken from the marvel,idw franchise especially the Fallen, Jetfire and Grimlock along with the other bots struggled to banish him in War Within hehe.

Yeap,they bought all rights of DWP,will check that novel out. The fallen was quite bulky and he had this freaky fire coming out from his head all the time not to mention manhandling Grimlock like a toy one and memorable moment would be this hehe.

the protector bots fighting devastator,classic.

Hmm in the ROTF,the seekers here could also be the cons at the desert,merely clones of the constructicons in bipedal form as they were made by starscream on board Nemesis. Starscream, Jetfire and Thundercracker, Dreadwing werent they called skyraiders in G1?

err that is because he didnt age well due to lack of energon and he was in a stasis lock for many many years before the shard reactivated him,he did say without energon the transformers will rust and have a slow death more of age and die a painful and slow death. You must concentrate on how Jetfire's explain why he was the way he was la brader.

that is to go hand in hand with the notion that the elders aka jetfire were on earth for a very long time, looking for the matrix i believe and also to give emphasis to the fact that the TF's were here long before Megatron crash landed on earth. Well if you think of disposable robot there a lot of them in G1,armada and others that died without a proper introduction even Optimus dies in the 80ies movie does that make him disposable?

they are not mere robots, they are living entities with souls. They even have politicians back in cybertron,a law system,a social structure and all that. So in a sense they are just another alien society with a metal/electronic body. In that sense all this bickering about what they can do or cannot do is nonsense, if humans can fart,burp or joke that doesnt mean an alien species cant do the same eventhough they are a bit different than us, wheelie humping megan fox leg is just a comic relief nothing more,if you dont find it funny than others will,TF is never to be serious in the cartoon series days,if you want a serious or darker tone to the story read the books like All Hail Megatron and other novels,they are aimed at a more mature and analytical audience.

This post has been edited by nimrod323: Jul 1 2009, 11:29 AM

again its a story line,just because you dont like it doesnt mean its bad and its vice versa with those who like it. Leo was there as he and simmons were responsible in creating awareness about the existence of the decepticons on earth through their respective websites without him they never would have known where the elders like Jetfire was,or would he met Simmons. The twins were there to show that the TFs also have an intricate society of adult,old and young transformers,they are trying to portray them as another civilization that pretty much embody the social structure like ours. Sideswipe had a major role in the Veiled threat and Jolt went of to New York when the decepticon attacked, before the scene at the forest.

How to have less humans in the next movie? Whats the point of calling them robots in disguise? if not for their ability to transform into everyday human vehicles? thats what they are known for,thats what get us all hooked with the first cartoon series and the humans have played an integral part even during those times,try watching the first animated movie you can see the relationship between humans and bots even back then.

The reason why the autobots didnt go all out with the decepticons at the desert because its a tactical disadvantage and hey they consider humans as comrades and fought with them side by side for over 2 years under NEST, so they need all the help they could get imagine Ironhide,the twins,arcee,Ratchet,Sideswipe,Jetfire,Bumblebee, and Jolt taking on all the other 20 something decepticons,they will overwhelm them in minutes especially Megatron and starscream not to mention The Fallen,they were just too many of them.

hey i find it an oxymoron statement wouldnt that also mean "A bad movie doesnt need so many people to bash it,a bad movie will tank by its own",well then there are those who join the bandwagon to bash it so that it'll tank,ultimately a good movie shows how much it earns at the box office. If your product is good people would buy it if not it'll just suck and disappear from the market.

This post has been edited by nimrod323: Jul 1 2009, 12:34 PM

Isnt that the case with Terminator Salvation as well, i never saw terminators in shampoo or deodorant ads before? it tanked after a few days cause people didnt like it and didnt bother to watch reruns. Again my analogy still stands,if a product despite its marketing glitz is still bad it'll just tank,people will just not buy it. Marketing will only serve as a means to ingrain the product in our minds,but the outcome is not controlled by the marketing campaign its the likes of us who control the movie's direction by watching it and asking others like our friends to watch sort of like word of mouth marketing,can be a good or bad thing, if it trully sucked everyone will just go back and tell their driends and family it sucked and this process will go on and on until its just stop racking money for the movie.

This post has been edited by nimrod323: Jul 1 2009, 12:58 PM

haha the more we try to conceal this things from our kids,the more curious he or she will be once they grow up, i feel explaining and being frank about will be better once the kid reaches a certain age. look at how our parents trained us, haha they think its taboo and we end up learning about it through other means

man, Peter Cullen is the greatest la,his voiceover for optimus is just superb heres a link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeSYktFTWfI&feature=fvw

This post has been edited by nimrod323: Jul 1 2009, 02:42 PM

fine by me bro. I really had huge problems with that movie due to the fact the proceedings of T2 never really been implemented in T4,especially when theres a huge nuke explosion and people can still walkabout with no radiation effect or the fact that the terminators are immune to hot liquid metal.

That forest scene for me was epic,kinda sad to see optimus getting backstabbed and die like that. Jetfire, did say his boosters are fried and had a hard time transforming especially the lack of energon and being in stasis lock for a very long time,i wish they could somehow bring him back since his spark is still okay. He represents the fate of tfs without energon,extinct that is.

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Added on July 1, 2009, 3:15 pmhaha,he didnt actually die just disintegrated into smaller part,one thing about this whole franchise the Transformers can come back to the living one way or the other thats the beauty of it all, like how energy never disappears it just transforms into something else. I would love too see him back and fight defensor hehe the autobot version of the constructicons.


This post has been edited by nimrod323: Jul 1 2009, 03:15 PM

oh oh and bring grimlock too hehe.man somehow rather i dunno if i sound selfish, i'd like to see transformers last more than a trilogy, i mean hey the only thing i can remember from my cartoon watching days are pretty much,Thundercats,Ultraman,Power Rangers, and every single time i look forward to the one and only transformers, i even fantasize how easily the decepticons could defeat the power ranger's megazords and gundam lol.

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Added on July 1, 2009, 3:42 pmyeap except for a select few like mixmaster and other,they were just mere clones created in the Nemesis by Strascream just like those kelefei bots in the cartoon series and novels. Reminds me of the "Attack of the Clones". Plus there were not much vehicles near the pyramids to mimic and transform into, thanks to Dr Zahi Hawass limiting vehicle access in the pyramids in real life. It was the first time in 30 years that any filming was allowed there hehe apparently Zahi Hawass is a fan so go figure.

This post has been edited by nimrod323: Jul 1 2009, 03:46 PM