probably the effect of pot? people do different things when they are high.

in which essence are you referring too? i have always pointed out where the movie sourced its material from,again what makes you think im his fan? he didnt conjure up the scripts did he? its those three writers? so by logic of me liking this shitty movie that you claim,wouldnt that make me a fan of them instead? I have always maintained that i like the movie despite its negligible flaws why should declare something that i have said many times before? Defending a movie you like doent make you a fan of the director lol seriously so if i liked spongebob means i am fan of Stephen Hillenburg? the director?

eh it was not too bad though they look like humans wearing helmets hehe,liked the darker adaptation by DWP and IDW. They expand more on the TF mythos. But i really despise the Marvel adaptation that included G.i. Joe and spidey in it,not that i dont like the characters but the crossover didnt really appeal to me.

This post has been edited by nimrod323: Jul 6 2009, 08:45 PM

yeap,add the Marvel,DW,IDW,Armada,Novels all this also cannot fit into one movie,20+ years worth of stuff into 2 hours is just impossible.

haha i slept for rogue assassin to tired just after spending a night at the museum for Merdeka. Xin anything you wanna see in the next TF? any specific characters? I'd like the autobots to create autobot city on earth with fortress maximus guarding it and also Ultra Magnus,Grimlock,Perceptor,Springer and Defensor in the next adaptation, would also love to see the bring Jetfire back since his spark is still in tact.

How do you define something to be serious? Serious movies must have intelligent humour? Wait i watched V for Vendetta, Independence Day, Saving Private Ryan, not sure you called it serious movies but they do contain average laymen jokes. Can you provide me an intelligent joke then? cause i might have been ignorant if i had came across any?

Low quality audience deserve, low quality movie/humour? so you are dissing the people for not sharing your perspective? so if you enjoy Walls Cornetto,and i and the majority like Nestle Mat Kool and we dont share the same liking as you,we are not of par? Since when personal preference or liking translate into low quality or high quality audience?

This post has been edited by nimrod323: Jul 7 2009, 12:15 PM

i'd like to add something to supplement you argument there,

We all know Transformers came from Japan, as a toyline first made by Takara then bought over by Hasbro, so the Japanese and Americans thought "Hmm how to sustain sales? increase popularity and make a presence in the market?"

Then they came out with the TV series,"kids watch it,get hooked,force parents to buy for them". This tactic of promoting a toy line by giving it a story line to hoodwink kids is not new, take a look at those Tamiya Cars,they had a series promoting it with a storyline same goes for Pokemon,digimon, they too had series to promote them.

The point is the storyline was never meant to be deep or intellectual its meant to be a promotional material since the very beginning, and so far it has worked for almost 20+ years, why did you think they created so many version of the same story? to create different type of toys to keep with the times of course, its been 20+ years, and look their toyline is still popular. but in the process they created disparities as each alteration had conflicting ideas, just like how the AllSpark appeared in BeastWars and not the other incarnations which made the Matrix of Leadership/Creation concept belittled.

But what made TF,stand out from the rest of the toyline-direct-tv series business model is that, people in Marvel,DW and IDW expanded its mythos and universe and included more substance then the likes of Digimon,Pokemon and other promotional toyline that has a tv series or comic supporting it. For the most part of its existence TF, became a cult icon on its own, people started following the storyline thanks to the efforts by the mentioned companies.

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This post has been edited by nimrod323: Jul 7 2009, 01:39 PM

You said intelligent humour... and i asked you what is an intelligent humour and you said go watch TF1, i think the humour aspect is almost similar or better,thats what all those majority of movie goers are projecting even in the exit polls. The mum took pot,people who take pot behave comically havent you watched that 70ies show before? or seen anyone in real life taking excessive pot?

how does it insult your intelligence? since everyone have varying intelligence level how can a movie systemically insult just you and not the vast majority?

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Added on July 7, 2009, 2:08 pmha? thats intelligent humour to you? what the? i thought along the lines like something British that you have to ponder for sometime before you think its funny or not. Isnt that humour prevalent in TF2 via Sam and Simmons?

This post has been edited by nimrod323: Jul 7 2009, 02:08 PM

no it doesnt, just because you didnt find a joke funny means that it didnt appeal to you or maybe you dont like the way it is presented and probably thought its lame. Come to think of it every joke is some form of an insult,making fun of something and for the rest of us,if its funny we'll just laugh along or if its not then it clearly a failed attempt.

wait so,is TF1 humour intelligent or not? so if i liked it does it mean i'm a quality audience back then? and if i and the rest like the Tf2 jokes make us all low quality?

This post has been edited by nimrod323: Jul 7 2009, 02:16 PM

isnt slap stick a type of comedy involving exaggerated extreme physical violence or activities which exceed the boundaries of common sense, such as a character being hit in the face with a heavy frying pan or running into a brick wall? equates to Tom and Jerry/Road Runner. Stephen Chow Movies? The only slapstick moment i can think of is the Twins fighting and also Wheelie apart from that its just Simmons/Sam/Leo average humor stuff with lines.

I thought first movie also had slapstick moments especially with frenzy?

well you did say those who laughed along with the second movie being of low quality.



This post has been edited by nimrod323: Jul 7 2009, 02:29 PM

Regardless i still cant see how it insults my intelligence or yours since pretty much every movie has it present even The Rundown,if you dont quite get it probably have to go for those British humour like Little Britain, less slapstick.

so i if i'm into kapchais and you dont like kapchais that makes me a low quality person? so in that sense anyone who has a different opinion/taste/preference with you are not of par?

This post has been edited by nimrod323: Jul 7 2009, 02:39 PM

haha they should watch Children of Men, talk about being super overly serious.

lol i wish but the boys are asked to sleep near the indigenous people's exhibit i was sleeping near a murut warrior,damn scary man haha. oh Yes the dinobots lol remember how they owned sharkticons in the animated movie? hehe.

Bro,the jokes again appeal to different audiences,if you feel its overdone or not good it basically means it didnt meet your requirement of being something you could laugh about in the first place, so its cool but it couldnt insult your intelligence as its not worthy of your laughter after all isnt it? If the majority agree the jokes are funny and if the ext polls seem to say the same things so for the most part its funny i guess?

well you did make a general assumption that people who enjoy the comedic portion of this movie to be low quality audience and said that its true.



Whats the difference between a low quality person(singular person/audience member) and low quality audience(plural persons/audience)?

im sorry,english is not my first language but in all my years of using it i have never came across such a notion that stupid jokes/plot directly insults my intelligence. Did her majesty,the queen decree it in Great Britain? or is it just your assumption? if that is so wouldnt a boy getting bitten by a radioactive spider and then becoming a spider man with superhuman powers correlates to absolute bullocks? since there is no direct animal-human transmutation? wouldnt that insult my intelligence?

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Added on July 7, 2009, 3:51 pmhe means the other way around

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Added on July 7, 2009, 3:58 pmi agree with Xin that this is a fan service that has been directly taken from the Marvel G1,IDW and DW version. They are supposed to be shells that can mimic humans to the last detail enabling them to blend in with the human society for espionage purposes. well the pretender being in the college is due to starscream's attempt in watching sam's every move. The pretender's mission was detailed in the prequel comic where it took the shape of Alice in wonderland or was it a doll? The reason why her origins were not detailed in the movie is to surprise the audience, i wouldnt know its a pretender till the last minute its tail wanted to pierce sam's head,thats a surprise element right there.


This post has been edited by nimrod323: Jul 7 2009, 03:58 PM

wait make up your mind,you said "generally in english" then you said its a "figure of words",the former is an absolute representation of something commonly agreed while the later is something of trivial significance? How is spiderman okay when in your perspective a stupid joke/plot will insult ones intelligence? the plot if fictional and not meant to be real and theres no such thing isnt that insulting ones intelligence? anything that goes down the same path should be categorized in similar fashion wat?

he says if someone uses intelligence as a rhetoric against a movie,its an insult to the movie which still disputes the fact its brainless? xin not sure i got it right,my apologies.

well its your right to be annoyed but with only your opinion you cant change those in the majority that thought it was cool, and those who say stuff like damn ripoff from terminator!!!

haha i didnt know that, must be one tann barbie lol!!

well for a original attempt to link storyline that was just meant for promotional means for a toyline,people do expect a lot of intelligent and good goodies in between.

i meant this one? has this been validated somehow while i was under a rock all my life?

well isnt that something i heard for the first time,in that case wouldnt the whole series of spiderman,series of transformers and every other movie that features these genres ask more than one chance? I can easily name all the times spiderman or any other franchise especially sci-fi/fantasy ask me to take it as it is no questions asked. if i did that,it'll equate to nit picking thats an area where i leave the critic be

well i was watching E-channel and apparently bay gave 2 ultimatum too the girls its either tan or get muscles, they choose the former, maybe to look outstanding on camera or to represent american's obsession of getting tanned?

oh i and im still loling at your dilly dallying awhile back,hilariously flip flopping like a former prime minister i clearly remember.