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post Jul 1 2009, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(xin @ Jul 1 2009, 04:10 PM)
so we'll be expecting TF3 as Attack of the Decepticons Clones !!! lol
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if they could find more energon that is, i remember that the constructicons were stealing raw uranium ores in australia to create artificial energon,but the autobots stopped them on their tracks. i hope they do some background story about the state of cybertron,is the civil war rife and also autobot's own headquarters on earth like Autobot city and have Metroplex protecting it hehe.
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QUOTE(Darkchaser @ Jul 1 2009, 04:53 PM)
I thought the champion of no-introductions was Jolt. At least Optimus did say Sideswipe's name in the beginning. Jolt all of a sudden appeared when Optimus died. I was like WTF who the heck is that blue Autobot?? Only at the end of the movie did we learn his name tongue.gif
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i think hewas shown leading the way to NY while optimus,ironhide and ratchet were going to philadelphia. He was also there when they dropped optimus body at the airstrip,fully bipedal form.

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post Jul 1 2009, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(ray148 @ Jul 1 2009, 05:02 PM)
couple of answers to those yahoo questions, not by me :
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heres from Shoot For The Edit forum courtesy of ed,one of the forrumer.
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i like that last one tongue.gif

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post Jul 1 2009, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Jul 1 2009, 05:18 PM)
Still doesn't answer the Bumblebee voice box broken part... it was fixed at the end of T1, then T2 they were like "I think its cooler to have his voice broken again."

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Robot Heaven... lulz...
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hmm if you notice the scene where he detroys the kitchenappliancescon,sam asked him to march back into the garage and he said "whatever", mikaela asked sam whether BB still have problem with his voice,that is to establish that he has that problem again. Being in Ron's garage for 2 years with no medical attention from Ratchet,its totally understandable or probably he prefers use non verbal communication eg, radio,i think its creative.

They are not mere mindless robots,they are a group of sentient being with a metal exoskeleton, so why is it difficult to imagine even aliens have an afterlife? Heres a comparison, robots> terminator> artificial intelligence, transformers>aliens>soul>afterlife

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post Jul 1 2009, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(karasawamk2 @ Jul 1 2009, 05:25 PM)
I don't how many prime's in the TF Movie but Just read TF:ROTF "Defiance" and it's explain how optimus is the choosen one...

But in cartoon and comic series [Marvel,DW,DD and IDW], it was different vice versa.. umm... let me see.....

Alpha Prime
Guardian Prime
Vector Prime
Corran Prime
Nova Prime aka Nemesis Prime huhu  blink.gif
Sentinel Prime
Optimus Prime
Rodimus Prime
Leo Prime [Beast War Neo aka Lio Convoy]  blink.gif

Maybe simillar to he names in the movie but who know, may comeout sequel in comics like Reign of Starscream... hmm.gif
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in The War Within he was chosen by the elders, after consultation with primus. Again it shows how each incarnation whether novel,comic or series the story is different.

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QUOTE(alanyuppie @ Jul 1 2009, 05:30 PM)
critics always view aliens from a human-centric angle. Humans  gotten used to machines and metals being lifeless, a tool to be used (from a hammer to a jet plane) . When alien life forms that "happens" to be made from metal and not flesh/organic... typical humans thinks is OUTRAGEOUS for them to have soul/life/reproduce/breath like they do.

They should think of out the box.
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just like how me and xin liked that particular question tongue.gif

Ok heres something about the awesome power of a Rail Gun,

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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Jul 1 2009, 05:46 PM)
Thanks. Another possibility...so it maybe the explanation. Yeah, Robot heaven... hmm... possible. Since they are another (alien) civilization too.  smile.gif
Sorry, Michael Bay and I not on speaking terms. sleep.gif  His forum site has been open for years, his total number of replies: 81, and range from him promoting himself to claiming he doesn't Twitter to he scolding a fan for being lame.
Not me though
http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showp...07&postcount=36
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haha,at least he reads em rants once in awhile, they even made noise for the first movie to bring Peter Cullen as optimus,Bay listened. Hey if i had my own website and im supersuccesful i would harp too, an avenue for my portfolio.

on a related note, i remembered someone asking why soundwave being the super advanced robot(alien) that he is needs to latch on the sattelite to hack it, and something hit me while i was thinking of this movie, remember when general morshower asked for air clearance and he talked to that guy who jumped of the plane(the president envoy),then he said "how is it this dude can call me while my troops cant despite having the latest quantum krypto gear",in that sense assuming the military satellite is also using this tech tahts the reason why soundwave had to hack the sattellite, quantum krypto supposed to be the most secured and supposedly undeceipherable communication mode invented. though in real life its still in testing, read more here http://www.physorg.com/news160593524.html

to those who argue that ROTF is racists read this:
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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Jul 1 2009, 06:26 PM)
This just show that how shitty is the movie.

No doubt it's true.
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its also shows how stupid the reviewer is no doubt its true.

QUOTE(ray148 @ Jul 1 2009, 05:02 PM)
couple of answers to those yahoo questions, not by me :
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» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

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heres from Shoot For The Edit forum courtesy of ed,one of the forrumer.
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post Jul 2 2009, 12:41 AM

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i realized one thing haha, this bashing would never end even if i or some of the sensible people here would point out to those ignorant beings how wrong they are with their assumptions, look up some fool posted the same review that was posted by another forrumer a few pages back, and theres another guy whos making fun of robot heaven,really funny, that would be the case if they were actual robot but hey even the fact that they are an alien race that share some social aspect mirroring the human society structure seems alluding at best. Moving along just fine i watched it the 4th time today in GSC MV, somehow watching at the second seats before the screen gave me that IMAX feeling,though theres only one IMAX theatre left in Malaysia and its being used by the Planetarium in KL,its a dome IMAX summore damn sure syiok watching the jungle scene,sigh.

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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Jul 2 2009, 12:51 AM)
Stop being a fanboy.

TF2 is a piece of shit compare to TF1.
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ermm uhuh, what about you? stop being a hater? cmon repeating the same piece of crap over and over? oooh TF2 is a piece of crap compared to TF1, i dont like it,its shitty,ooh you dont agree with me you are fanboy,im forever right, yea we heard you the first time? But get over it. What are you gonna do about it? Force MB to reshoot the entire movie? What exactly do you want Bay to do? What point are you guys trying to make? That it sucked? Noted. Oh, you're not stopping? You're still b****ing and moaning? Thats entirely your opinion dont try to impose that on others, again i see people are lining up at the cinemas and the shows are still fully taken up,so what now call em fanboys and ask them to watch some movie called "No Country for Old Man"?
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post Jul 2 2009, 01:52 AM

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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Jul 2 2009, 01:14 AM)
Im not saying you.
People say it suxs because the movie have issues with it.So,you think these haters hate this movie just for fun.Right.I dont see your logic at all.There are whole lot of problems with it.No depth,not faithful to the original transformers,and not even a proper,consistent storyline.Just a movie with loads of expensive flashy effects.If i want to see flashy effects,might as well play RA3 or Crysis.
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Hey people say its good cause they dont have an issue with it,obviously you think people defend this movie for fun? I dont see your logic here too? what problems you talking about? the review from yahoo? its obvious that guy didnt know shit about the TF series to begin with and pretty much some of us contributed the obvious reasons and made the review a fluke or were you to ignorant to reasons and rather stayed in a warped mindset that the movie sucked? Its already been established fact that Transformers isnt just about G1 tv series,what about the marvel versions,the manga version,the novels,the Dreamwave comic books the IDW versions and others? have you like you say a TF loyalist sink into any of em? the story differ all the time how to make a movie on alternating storyline with different adaptations in all its reincarnations? How to do justice to all of these great work? Somehow the writers were able to pull it off, instead of making a remake of the 80ies classic they made a new universe with references to all the Transformers franchise that was ever made. What flashy effects are you talking about? without those how do you make CGI? so you want some random dude in boxes to play as optimus? didnt we see that in Ultraman as a kid? and you compared cgi to games bravo,nice one.

QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Jul 2 2009, 01:14 AM)
I bet you dont see it,fine.Be a happy fanboy then.Go and watch again.Pay Michael Bay more and make more shitty movies.

I guess you are that kind who enjoy movies with no storyline.Whatever floats your boat,then.
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i watched purely on my own judgement,i read the past work and the prequel comics, i even have the marvel comics,DW and IDW work even some old tapes of G1,some old toys that i have at home. I dont mind if you call me a fanboy. MB made it happen for me so thats that. Just because you think there was no storyline doesnt mean i share the same perspective, again you are trying to impose your opinion, so you are establishing a notion that If anyone likes TF2 so they are the types who dont enjoy movies with storyline? so if it makes you happy,you can assume that,whatever floats your boat right? since the stereotype has already been established in your mind.


QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Jul 2 2009, 01:14 AM)
We'll see how long people will line up to watch this shit.Thats one movie that i'll never ever watch again.If the movie is good,i dont mind watching a few times.I watched TDK 4 times,and one time in an expensive IMAX.It's all worth it.TF2? What nice to watch again? To find out more flaws in the storyline? Hear the toilet jokes again?

No Country for Old Man is definitely better than TF2.At least someone knows how to write a proper script with a consistent storyline,rather than a randomly joined up scenes that is full of toilet jokes.

Yeah,Michael Bay raped my childhood favourite cartoon.He really did it this time.
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ZzZz, yeah we'll see hey the GSC site still down rite? even the e payment is a stripped down version. If you dont want to watch it ,its up to you,your money plus its your free will,i'll never criticize you for that but calling people who dont share your ideals as unappreciative of story line in a movie is just immature. Why would you wanna compare with TDK? both movies dont even share the same storyline how do you compare both? What variables do you take into account? Is it demographic,status,income group,habits equate as the variables since both movies show no similarity? Ok, so you are saying "No Country for Old Man" is better than TF2? how to compare its just different taste, the script and treatment are aimed at different variables,the studio's budget and also whether or not they wanna win oscars,it certainly isnt a movie for the masses try persuading those movie goers that watch TF2 or TF1(since you argue its way better) to sit through this movie, i certainly wouldnt not saying i represent the masses, but hey probably not everyone would like it but hey still that doesnt mean they equate shallow minded people who appreciate movies not for the storyline per se.

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QUOTE(sshahar9 @ Jul 2 2009, 02:02 AM)
bay showed us john turturro's ass.
i can bet you he's not going for oscars.
he's just smiling right now for the biggest box office of his life-to-date.

everyone that calls him an idiot, he just secretly tell himself he fooled everyone out of their money and still some more to reach the current revenue. im sure he thinks himself as genius if we are to believe how everyone says how egotistical he is. who would he think be the idiot at the end? the guy who knows hes making an explosive movie with stupid plot and story or the people contributing to him making money eventhough they know its stupid to begin with?
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i meant that for "no country for old man" it is oscar material after all. haha for all its worth, i never really thought of it as a oscar type (ey i would like those ILM guys to win for best CGI category,they deserve it),i'd be perplexed if the story was actually that but its a good storyline nevertheless,thats purely my opinion. Good or bad, i always had the impression that box office earning ultimately proves wether its good or not that also supersedes the fact the movie is heavily promoted or its hype is inescapable cause this things will only take a movie thus far, once the first bunch of people watch it and think its nice thats where the first instance of word of mouth marketing happens,people will flock or avoid just because of what their friends,family or acquaintances say.


Added on July 2, 2009, 2:29 am
QUOTE(maxizanc @ Jul 2 2009, 02:07 AM)
Somehow, the critics and the defenders of Transformers 2 movies made this thread interesting. That what i would want. Reading pleasure. But too bad, i don't have much to say because from the beginning i paid RM12 not to criticize the movie but to enjoy the movie.
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woi apa ni on the fence,tak guna haha laugh.gif

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QUOTE(sshahar9 @ Jul 2 2009, 02:34 AM)
yeah i knew what you meant... i think tongue.gif lol

actually i was implying bay didnt care enough for the story etc whatever. he had tight deadline, he knows what will sell, and he banked on those.
and its paying off massively it seems.

he's laughing all da way to da bank

bay: 'no oscars? nevamind.. i got millions more to keep me company.. muahaha'
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i cant "comment or speculate" cause i wasnt there with MB haha laugh.gif , he knows what will sell goes tandem with what people are generally looking for in this franchise right? it worked for me though so yeah.

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QUOTE(yimingwuzere @ Jul 2 2009, 10:15 AM)
Borat is an example of successful word of mouth marketing. TF2 isn't. Also, I don't see how your justification at big selling films means they are excellent, Spiderman 3 was absolute crap, the Pirates of the Caribbean sequels were all mediocre with ridiculous plots. It's all down to hype and CGI to sell these big budget flicks (and Jack Sparrow for Pirates). Just stop being a Michael Bay fanboy and accept that a lot of people hated the film for what it is.

And to whoever who said ILM is going to win an oscar for special effect, you've forgotten Avatar is screening this December.
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Borat? what the heck are you talking about, certainly it needed word of mouth advertising because it was never screened here? You never get my point did you,read my post clearly, i said hype or marketing or anything else for that matter can take a movie thus far aka certain extent? and the rest of the show's direction is all up to us,whether we like it or not,people power? and plus its a global phenomenon,its the ultimate gauge nothing gets bigger than this, same goes with elections,if you dont like the candidate you wouldnt vote for him for the second time. What an oxymoron statement saying big selling films means they are not good? when everyrone from all walks of life have the ability to purchase a ticket and indirectly supporting it,so you are saying all this people are also Michael Bay fanboys aswell? ask the masses who watch TF2,they would even know who the heck he is. Just because you didnt like a movie doesnt mean you can ask people to accept a movie to be crap,what you ideology is more prevailing than mine? You dont represent everyone dude,again check back the posts here,the number of whom who enjoyed it are more than nay sayers. i dont get this haters assuming taht their ideas are above par and those defending the movie are below par and if you have something good to say about the movie,they immediately call you Michael Bay fan boy or best a person who dont apperciate a movie for the storyline,haha immature much. Avatar,how could you be certain it'll win an oscar despite you being nothing part of the production crew non so ever? so you have seen it before the masses?


Added on July 2, 2009, 11:45 am
QUOTE(NasiLemakMan @ Jul 2 2009, 10:50 AM)
"Me Borat laykes big robot boom boom. Vayry naise... but homoseksual Bruno me layke too"

What's all the comparison with GodfatherII and No Country... . Story wise, TF2 can't even compared with Wall-e...
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duh obviously,two different movies,different demographics,storyline,script,treatments,one is set on a purely animations perspective the other is a story set with live action plus blank canvasses with cgi here and there. ask Pixar to create live animation CGI just like ILM did,their resources will be choked to death.


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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jul 2 2009, 07:06 AM)
Robot or alien heaven? The one against nitpicking is nitpicking.  tongue.gif

You completely missed the point anyway.
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err quickfire, the definition for nitpick is this : to be excessively concerned with or critical of inconsequential details.

the replies aimed at the nitpicker showed exactly that, how does it in turn become nitpick,sort of like saying when someone answers a question with an answer,the answer is along the lines similar to a question.

what point am i missing? your understanding that TFs are robots and nothing more than that,so the human sentient concept doenst apply to robots,is that it?

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QUOTE(sshahar9 @ Jul 2 2009, 03:02 AM)
yep of coz.. thats almost every biz modus operandi..
as i said... i think he kinda owes it to us and the fans by now, to do a proper 3rd tf.. and focus more on the robots... the profits from both and all the merchandising would be more than enough to do a proper tf movie.
maybe the haters just gotta calm down and send this message to mbay

am vry tired now.. will just say this... if all the minor flaws were never there, would it have contributed to making the movie more fun? or is it just inconsequential?
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it would be the later,we enter a movie to enjoy it and not to find everything that is wrong there are websites like moviemistakes.com that shows that no movie is gold even the DARK KNIGHT that has been compared with TF2,if you are not satisfied with the movie its fine but dont label other with stuff like "ooohhhhh must be MB fanboy","people who apperciate movie not for the storyline". I watched TF2 again,people who walked out of the movie(after the movie finnish of course" for the most part said stuff like, i want Bumblebee or Optimus as my car,vehicles,toy. You are walking with this people for the brief moment till you exit the door,and you can see all their reaction, and for the most the money is well worth spent. I went in to see how they made the story work,despite so many past literature with alternating storyline. They made it happen for me.

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QUOTE(alanyuppie @ Jul 2 2009, 06:00 PM)
Some people mind are closed to new ideas.Luckily movies (director) doesnt think this way.

imagine 70 years ago... movies on aliens are all about ..

- alien usually ugly, big head, green
- came using UFO... most of the time its shaped like a saucer
- alien came only to kill mankind.

If modern alien movies are all about the above and nothings change.. those who liked the "old" way and comment the rest of the new ideas are preprosterous (aliens mate with humans, aliens befriend little boys rather than kill them, aliens made from metal, aliens have emotions and cry, aliens have own heaven/hell*), its pretty hard to reason with such closed minded audience.
* why not? considering aliens are like humans .. having their own planets/civilisation/social system/religion/faction.

Audience that still have earth-ly mindset might as well try NOT to watch movies related to outerspace and extre-terrestrial. too much "new ideas" hard to digest:- easily being labelled "ridiculous" coz brain refuse to open up. Stay on earth and watch "Earth-movies" better which we all can relate too (sinking ships with uber love story anyone?)
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exactly my point the haters.bashers cant even think out of the box. Heres a scenario,theres 9 planets around the solar system,and earth is only one place where theres life,ok granted, then the sun is just one of the countless trillions of stars in the Milky Way Galaxy, and the galaxy is just another X number of galaxy in space,given that enormity, its puzzling how we could only be one sentient species in the whole of infinity that has heaven or hell or an afterlife, so you are telling me if they were aliens that was also created by god(this character can be subjective to some), he/she(depends on your religion beliefs) only made them for humans alone not for his other characters that he made? special preference i presume?


Added on July 2, 2009, 7:50 pm
QUOTE(xavier7 @ Jul 2 2009, 03:23 PM)
nah, doesnt matter.

i bet he wouldnt mind if MB somehow revealed in the 3rd movie (LOL) that Optimus is a female robot in disguise  rolleyes.gif
coz the oh so brilliant action sequence is all he needs.
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Woooo a smart ass coming out with a theory he pulled out of his butt,no we have to ROFL with him. Did i ever say in any of my replies in this thread,version 1 or 2, my thrills are purely based on action scene alone? If you cant find anything to link me with,dont make shit up.


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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jul 2 2009, 06:13 PM)
You can make a movie about Superman, but dont ask me to expect superman making a cameo in TF2. That is just ridiculous.
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haha hey when marvel was writing transformers,they had spiderman,g.i. joe and others helping them out.


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QUOTE(karasawamk2 @ Jul 2 2009, 11:10 PM)
Not to mention Avengers recently IDW Transformers crossover...
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thats something i never fancied. i always thought of transformers to be of no need of local superheroes.
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QUOTE(xin @ Jul 3 2009, 12:10 PM)
He's a master of deception !!!!  tongue.gif

I din notice the bike, i'll try to look at the bike during my rewatch this weekend hehe ..


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That's the problem with some viewers, they keep stamping Transformers as brainless metal tincans/robots.
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i second that brother...
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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jul 3 2009, 06:16 PM)
It still doesnt negate the validity of his evaluation though.
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how does his evaluation stand without any foundation to begin with?

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QUOTE(Vinci777 @ Jul 3 2009, 07:26 PM)
Critics from normal viewer like us doesn't makes any diff than taking teenagers as standards. Both paying the same amount of money to watch. We dont need serious or bloody mature person who claims he/she is good in reviewing movies to judge.

Our eyes are the standards. Diff ppl have diff standards. Even an oscar winner movie doesnt proves anything becoz there are still criticisms.

The important part for M.Bay is out of 10, 7 ppl love the movie and who cares about the remaining 3.
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oh nooo you dont get it,critic's opinions are a say of god for some,it'll hurt their feelings if you say critics are just average mortals that share something in the head called a brain and a vocal cord which everybody apparently have. Cant you see the blatant postings of critics opinions on this thread an indication of their unwavering loyalty to critics? Lets just not point out the obvious and let them be enslaved by other's opinions and trump it up as much as they want, i wont be surprised if they claim children (who have similar organs, brain and vocal cord) have no intelligence and so they are just mindless drones that cant decide anything for themselves and critics are waayyy better in this regard,cause they are fairly mature and highly opinionated so whatever they say and think or believe holds water. Somehow rather the critics that are held on pedestal are seen as the deciders and movers of opionion and somehow skipped the whole childhood sage so its just birth -> to being almost godlike, did i say almost? oh shit they'll call me a sceptic now, Michael Bay biatch, they'll combine and come up with even more unintelligent commentaries after this!!!

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