Good post, something to think about. I'm currently going on high carbs, moderate protein and fat diet. Trying to see how my body takes it in gaining weight. Fat is easy to lose don't worry kotmj. We take years to gain muscle, but losing a lot of bodyfat can be done in less than half a year depending on your diet. Get big first

That vid can't be played? "This video is not available in your country or domain."

Rizz (5 is what you'd expect in a normal saloon)
Ambience 3
Likeability 7
Workmanship 9
Fashion 5
Confidence boosting factor 6

Yeah, it can only be about the mix. Because I DO have a caloric excess, as my waist will bear witness. It's probably not nutrients either (vits and mins) because Pro Complex has 15 of them? (Maybe I should try a small bottle of ZMA and see.)


John, when you run out of pants to wear and love handles start appearing, you'll know why it's easy to worry!

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Added on June 2, 2009, 10:21 amIt's quarter past 10, made PRs at 7:30-8:30 a.m. in all lifts (squat, overhead press, deadlift, chinup) it's post breakfast and I'm feeling like shit. Can't even walk with my normal posture. Tired, tired, tired. I'm getting that coffee.

This post has been edited by kotmj: Jun 2 2009, 10:21 AM

ok, I think i'm on to something.
Exactly how many muscle groups are you working out a day man? Doing squats and deadlifts on the same day? Adding chinups and overhead presses on top of that?
That's pretty intense stuff and it wouldn't be a surprised if you feel completely drained for the rest of the day.

What are you workouts like?
I suggest focusing on 1 muscle group a day, and do a complete cycle. Lets say your working out 3 days a week, and you have a 5 day split routine like this:

Mon - Chest
Wed - Back
Fri - Arms

(following week)
Mon - Shoulders
Wed - Legs
Fri - Chest

x repeat

Finish the cycle on all muscle groups, dont worry about your muscles getting lazy or anything if your resting them too long.
Chest day will cause indirect stimulation of triceps, back day will cause indirect stimulation of biceps.. etc

You would be giving you muscles time to grow and recover, and you could add in some cardio on your off weight days to shed some bf.

Try it, this cycle really helped me with waking up early and not feeling completely drained for classes after workout days..

This post has been edited by tineagle: Jun 2 2009, 12:11 PM

Lots of people seem to have great success doing 5 day splits. But the program I'm doing is about building up strength, and only peripherally about hypertrophy. It's very specific, and two books have been written about it. It's extremely taxing, but I'll stick to it for as long as I can.

The coffee really helped, and post-lunch I felt much better. I'm still deeply fatigued, but functional, as opposed to this morning when I wasn't.

Why not squat and deadlift in the same day? They contribute to ur legs. I do that. Splitting your workouts 1 muscle group every 2 weeks, thats pretty relaxed...

ic, but if this program of yours is interfering with your job and life I would consider a 5day split if i were you.

good luck then.

john, ppl normally split deadlift and squat to different days coz it is just too taxing.
doing squats itself will make u half dead if u do properly with intensity.
u will barely have energy to do deadlifts.

Because people usually go heavy on squats and deadlifts. So, as Jon said, it can be quite taxing to do them on the same day.

Well, in case any of you are interested, here is The Most Tairing Program in the Wurld (apart from pizzaboy's own lethal concoctions) a.k.a. Rippetoe's Starting Strength:

You workout 3X a week, alternating between Workout A and B.

Workout A
Squat 5 reps X 3 sets
Overhead press 5X3
Deadlift 5X1
Chinup 3 X failure

Workout B
Squat 5X3
Bench press 5X3
Power clean/Pendlay row 5 or 8 or 10 X3
Weighted situps

At EACH workout, increase weight in all lifts. The program also entails GOMAD (gallon of milk a day), which, if I followed, would have made me obese by now.

Apparently, you'll only start seeing muscle growth well into the 2nd-3rd month even though your weights all go up because the initial gains are due to neuromuscular efficiency increases + other shit.

Coach Rippetoe disagrees with you

"
....but then again, those who argue against squatting and deadlifting on the same day may just be pussies.
"

http://ripquoteoftheday.blogspot.com/2009/...ay-6th-may.html

Not that I DL and Squat on the same day

I don't squat and deadlift on the same day. So I'm one of those pussies right? How? And Rippetoe isn't a bodybuilder. He doesn't look like a bodybuilder. His specialty is strength training for beginners.
Let's see, I'll compile a list of those people you called pussies:-

Terry Gallyot.
Mohd Zethry
Wong Hong
Quite a lot of IFBB pros.

So you're more hardcore than them? Damn. I think you need to chill a bit on the hardcore mentality mate.

This post has been edited by darklight79: Jun 2 2009, 11:58 PM

oh gosh... here goes...
i am speechless...
go ahead and quote more then. =.=

LOL

You guys gotta learn to take a joke man.

Pants too tight ar? Hahahaha I just thought it was funny.

No, because the OP needs serious advice. He might take you seriously especially if he misconstrues your post. He's on the verge of a CNS burnout. And he's trying to get lean by both cutting calories and increasing caloric expenditure (cardio). Doing both are not recommended. He's gotta pick one.

No problem. He should know that the post was meant to be funny.

Light hearted posts all round, it's summer!

He is doing Starting Strength which advocates doing both monster lifts on the same day (but only 1 set of a heavy dead). Can't go on forever on that workout! ~ 3 - 6 months is a good time frame for Starting Strength.

ROAR!! I hate summer. Screw you. It's already hot and humid here and I'm getting heat rashes between my butt cheeks and balls.

I'm leavin' in a fortnight so don't be hatin'.

The upside is all sunshine and sexy ladies showing off more than they should. Downside is that it gets really warm during the daytime without air conditioning. Sunshine starts at 5am so it disturbs sleep patterns quite a bit!

Nonetheless, it is enjoyable to see hawt babes.

Summer's strange. You feel super alive, yet with nothing significant to do with all that aliveness and daytime.